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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shadowman on August 31, 2001, 03:49:00 pm
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As Thunder has said, I need info for each system in the Nodemap. I.e. Star type, planets etc...and noteable incidents that happened therein. I'm researching myself - but i'm now back at work & dont have much time to do so, so if anyone would like to become a member of staff & help out pls drop me a line...I dont want to let this project drown! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/hammer.gif)
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*NOTE: THIS IS ALL MADE UP BY ME FOR LB/RS, IF FS HAS SOMETHING THEN USE THAT INSTEAD*
Sirius
Populated Planets: Tradii (med., desert environment), Selena 4 (large, oceanic/jungle environment)
Star: Yellow standard, Sol-type
Population: Tradii-14,012,000; Selena-3,606,103,000
Economic exchange rate- 2.45 Sirian CR to 1 Standard CR
History: Tradii has always been one of the less valued of the GTVA worlds, only recently exporting the few billion dollars worth of food and minerals that make its yearly contribution. Selena was once considered a vacation zone, a tropical paradise where the wealthy could recreate uninterrupted by either industry or other productive planetary aspects. However, immediately after the Great War Selena suffered a massive depression, out of which it has only partially recovered. Selena still produces nothing, or nearly so, and although the economy has stabilized recently this is mostly due to the drug and weapons traffic that comes through. These trades have become so integral to Selenite economy that Selena is considered to be the crime capital of the GTVA.
Notes: The Sirius worlds are fairly poor and controlled largely by the local crime syndicates, primarily the dominant Selenite organization known as CVOR. CVOR itself exerts much influence over the GTVA, and more than 300 high-ranking GTVA officials have been found guilty of corruption by CVOR. The drug and contraband industries both use Selena 4 as a way station, and it is rumored that CVOR is prepared to take control of Tradii and Selena entirely, as it is known that they have a mercenary force totaling nearly triple the fairly large Sirian militia. However, no corrective measures have been taken by the GTVA, as many more dangerous enemies currently threaten the GTVA, and Sirius is not considered a vital resource for the GTVA, since it has no significant exports of its own. It should be noted that this system appears to be the only one not yet colonized by at least some Vasudans.
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I am Gonad the Mighty!
Left Behind(son to be Ragnarok Station):
www.wpierce.com/wlp/FS2/lbmain.html ("http://www.wpierce.com/wlp/FS2/lbmain.html")
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I think he wants canon events.
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Balance?! Don't you talk to me about balance when you've seen all the Sathanases the Shivans have!! - Joey_21
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Good luck then. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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Look through the Ship List on my site (siggy) - it has data about when and where all the ships appeared in FS2.
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"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Look through the Ship List on my site (siggy) - it has data about when and where all the ships appeared in FS2.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Isn't he wonderful?!??!
btw: I pointed him here (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
About all the cannon you get is from him!
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The fear always controls our attitude, let us fear no more!
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Also check Zarathud's site.
Some important info is that Ross 128 had an experimental deflector array in 2335, though the date it was created is unknown.
Ribos in 2335 was a major installation with Tombaugh station: "That place was a fortress" is what a pilot stated after Ribos was destroyed by the Lucifer.
Antares was a contested system in Vasudan grip in 2335, and was secured shortly after the failure of Operation Thresher and the McCarthy debacle. (note: GTA forces held Antares at the same moment the Shivan attacks on the V-T war front began)
E dit: The FS2 techroom contains information on the Terran blocs before the GTVA (names which mention systems or location) and also mentions a little on the economic situation with Polaris, Regulus, and Sirius prior to Bosch's ascension 18 months before the begining of FS2.
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Ace
Staff member FreeSpace Watch
http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/ ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/")
[This message has been edited by Ace (edited 08-31-2001).]
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I think Ace's brain is too big for his short body. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Heres details for Sirius (Real Life)
Star: Sirius
Meaning: "scorching"
Scientific Name: Alpha Canis Majoris
Alternative Names: Canicula, Sirius A
Name Origin: Greek
Star Type: Binary Star System
Right Ascension: 06:45:08.9
Declination: -16:42:58
Apparent Magnitude: -1.46
Absolute Magnitude: +1.4
Spectra: A1Vm
Star Class: Main Sequence
Distance: 8.6 LY
Star Size: 2.5 x Sol
Temperature: 9 500ºC
Luminosity: 23 x Sol
Constellation: Canis Major
Some quick points for the info above:
Star Type: double, binary, etc
Right Ascension: hours: minutes: seconds
Declination: degrees: minutes: seconds
Apparent Magnitude: (m) brightness of a star in comparison to earth
Absolute Magnitude: (M) object brightness from a fixed distance
Spectra: spectral type describes element properties of star thus telling colour of object
Star Class: stage of star’s evolution (phase)
Distance: relative distance from earth in light years
Star Size: solar radius
Temperature: surface temp
Luminosity: solar luminosity
Constellation: location in the sky
Thats about it
Dr. Max
[This message has been edited by Max (edited 09-01-2001).]
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More please (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Anyone know of any sites where I can get this stuff from?
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Fortunately the info i produced above in my last post was extracted from many sites. The best i can do is list the sites I have found miraculously again. Here they are:
Now be careful with this one because system names can be deceiving. A star can have many alternative names http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellations.html ("http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellations.html")
For this one you can either try the images first or go to the index http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html ("http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html")
Then you've got some of the best encyclopedias http://www.encarta.com ("http://www.encarta.com") http://www.britannica.com ("http://www.britannica.com")
Although these references have different policies into the handling of articles etc. Before i could get some articles (early this year) and now they've changed slightly on how you require a subscription.
There is more but I don't think you'll need it, though if you need something you can't find just ask?
Max (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Of course none of that information pertains what so ever to FreeSpace because we know that FS isn't clearly like our universe since Capella is waaaay different from the "real" Capella (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Ace
Staff member FreeSpace Watch
http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/ ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/")
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Originally posted by Ace:
Of course none of that information pertains what so ever to FreeSpace because we know that FS isn't clearly like our universe since Capella is waaaay different from the "real" Capella (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Asside from the existance of planets (which we have no evidence for or against), jump nodes (which are part of a science we don't understand and can't prove don't exist), and lots of Shivans (which may or may not exist), where do you get off saying its "waaaay different" from the reality?
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If you want to know about planets we do know about (as well as some hypothesis (and renders) about them), check out this site: Extrasolar Visions ("http://www.jtwinc.com/Extrasolar/mainframes.html").
Of the "Freespace systems", it has Aldebaran, Proxima Centauri (close enough to Alpha Centauri), and Vega.
Plus it's good if you need help coming up with new systems for a campaign (like I did). (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Joe.
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Originally posted by Eishtmo:
Asside from the existance of planets (which we have no evidence for or against), jump nodes (which are part of a science we don't understand and can't prove don't exist), and lots of Shivans (which may or may not exist), where do you get off saying its "waaaay different" from the reality?
He means capella is a binary system. But maybe in FS2 it is too? heh, Ace, how can you be sure that the second star isn't behind the first one everytime you look at them? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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sirius would be a little hard for planets to exist in
im not sure how far away from the main star the white dwarf is, but i reckon it would rip apart any habitable planets between the tidal forces.
Im not sure about capella...take a look in a stellar catalogue (the NEW one, not the old two)
And we DO have existance of planets, even in large rogue groups away from starts.
heard of microlensing? hubble can spot all that and has catalogued about 800 (or 8000, cant remember) already.
Albeit they're almost all gas giants 60 times the mass of jupiter, but hey, they're planets (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
*edit*
Oh, and ill do you a proper (IE, accurate)3D model of the nodemaps once you've collated all your data.
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I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!!
[This message has been edited by wEvil (edited 09-04-2001).]
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Capella:
Proper names: Capella, Alpha Aurigae, 13 Aurigae, Capella and Capella H
Distance from Sol: 42.2 light-years
Component A:
Spectral class: G5III
(a planet could orbit this star in a safe distance from the other stars in orbit of Component A. This star is also the right type to support a habitable zone - capable of producing a Earth-like planet.)
Component B:
Spectral class: G0III
(does have habitable zone.)
Component Ha:
Spectral class: M2V
(this is a red dwarf. Red dwarfs can't have a habitable zone.)
Component Hb:
Spectral class: M4V-VI
(another red dwarf.)
The dimmer pair of this four-star star system is usually referred to as “Capella H”, because the C, D, E, F, and G letter designations were wasted on nearby stars that looked like they might be gravitationally bound to Capella A or B but in fact were not.
Note that the comfort zones for either of Capella A or B are farther out than the orbital distance between these two stars. However, a planet could orbit the Capella A-B pair far enough out for the two stars to act as a single gravitational source and near enough for it to receive enough energy to sustain life
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Proper names: Altair, Alpha Aquilae, 53 Aquilae
Distance from Sol: 16.77 light-years
Spectral class: A7V
(this is a blue star - extremely hot. No Earth-like planet could exist in orbit of this star - too hot and too much radiation.)
This star is one of the fastest rotating stars known, completing an entire rotation in only 6 ½ hours (our own sun takes 25 days to rotate once, and isn't as big around). This would cause it to be twice as big across at its equator than from pole-to-pole, and be shaped like a flattened ellipsoid or "oblate spheroid."
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only 42ly?
sheesh
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I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!!
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Proper names: Ross 128, FI Virginis
Distance from Sol: 10.89 light-years
Spectral class: M4nV
(this is a dangerous volitile red dwarf. You know the drill...)
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Proper names: Deneb, Alpha Cygni, 50 Cygni, Arided, Al Dhanab al Dajajah
Distance from Sol: 1600 light-years
Spectral class: A2Ia
(this is a middle-age blue supergiant, the biggest they come. There is no possible way that a habitable planet could orbit Deneb, but in FS there is...)
Size: 116 x the diametre of Sol. (that's huge!!)
Deneb may be in the process of expanding from a class A main-sequence star to a red giant. Theoretically, this process should take only about 20 000 years, at a rate of about 0.3°C per year, for a massive star like Deneb. Hence, Deneb is under close scrutiny for any long-term changes in its spectrum or color temperature.
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Proper names: Polaris, Alpha Ursae Minoris, 1 Ursae Minoris, The North Star, The Pole Star
* Binary Star System *
Distance from So: 431 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Observed Separation: 2646 A.U.s
(1 AU = 150 million kilometres)
Component A:
Spectral class: F7Ib-II
(this star is about the right temperature to support an M-class planet, but it is way too big. This is a yellow giant.)
Component B:
Spectral class: F3V
(this star could support an M-class planet in its orbit, depending upon the radiation levels exhibited by the combined binary.)
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Proper names: Regulus, Alpha Leonis, 11 Leonis, Cor Leonis
* This is a multiple star system (3) *
Distance from Sol: 77.5 light-years
Component A:
Spectral class: B7V
(way too hot for an M-class planet. Right size though...)
Component B:
Spectral class: K1V
(this is a almost a perfect type of star for supporting an M-class planet. It's too bad about Component A - too much radiation and too hot.)
Component C:
Spectral class: MV
(This is a red dwarf.)
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Proper names: Antares, Alpha Scorpii, Cor Scorpionis, 21 Scorpii
* This is a binary star system *
Distance from Sol: 604 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Orbital Period: 878 years
Average Separation: 537 A.U.s
Component A:
Spectral class: M1Ib
(red supergiant. Too cool and too massive - very old star - close to supernova anywhere from now to 5million years.)
Component B:
Spectral class: B4V-VI
(white main-sequence type star - too hot.)
The A star is actually egg-shaped, and is only about two-thirds as tall as it is wide. The "diameter" listed below is measured across its widest chord.
Both stars are enveloped in a reddish nebula some 5 light-years in diameter, probably composed of metallic dust. But very sparse particles, not dense like you see in FS2.
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If you want me to analyse more, just say (in this thread), and I'll get underway. Just supply a list of the star names you want me to analyse. (I have a degree in astrophysics.)
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If the [V] dudes had to take into account scientific fact when making science fiction, Freespace would probably have come out in, say... 2137? Maybe later... The truth is hardly anyone knows at all what is going on that far out in space, those few people who do do not speak any recognisable form of English, and what they know is practically nil. So we make stuff up (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
If you want me to analyse more, just say (in this thread), and I'll get underway. Just supply a list of the star names you want me to analyse. (I have a degree in astrophysics.)
Kewl, where'd you get it?
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I know a few stars that have habitable zones that weren't used in FS.
Like:
Tua Ceti
Pollux
Procyon
Epsilon Eridani
61 Cygni
Apart from Pollux, these are all neighbouring star systems, less than 15 LY's away. Why couldn't they have chosen that. Plus, they have all these stars that are close to Earth, then they have Deneb, which is more than 1000LY's away.... Why?
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Originally posted by Shrike:
Kewl, where'd you get it?
From my own knowledge. But I did double check in my books just to make sure, and to get some exact figures, like the luminosity (part of the spectral class, etc) and exact distance...
Oh, I didn't realise what you meant... See corrected message further below... sorry.
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'Captain' Nick Brown
Callsign: Pegasus V
E-mail:
[email protected]
m.au
[This message has been edited by Pegasus V (edited 09-04-2001).]
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
I know a few stars that have habitable zones that weren't used in FS.
Like:
Tua Ceti
Pollux
Procyon
Epsilon Eridani
61 Cygni
eh, I'll have Tau Ceti in my campaign (homeworld of the Tau, of course (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)) Didn't know that was actually a system where life could exist, I'm lucky (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by venom2506:
eh, I'll have Tau Ceti in my campaign (homeworld of the Tau, of course (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)) Didn't know that was actually a system where life could exist, I'm lucky (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Proper names: Tau Ceti, 52 Ceti
Distance from Sol: 11.90 light-years
Spectral class: G8pV (almost identicle to the Sun, but a little smaller/cooler)
Ideal Orbital Distance for M-Class Planet: 105,000,000 km (Earth=150mill)
M-Class Planet Name Suggestion(s): Ceti Prime, Cetus Prime, Taea, New Mesopotamia
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'Captain' Nick Brown
Callsign: Pegasus V
E-mail: [email protected]
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[This message has been edited by Pegasus V (edited 09-04-2001).]
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
From my own knowledge. But I did double check in my books just to make sure, and to get some exact figures, like the luminosity (part of the spectral class, etc) and exact distance...
What, you gave yourself a degree in astrophysics? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) I meant where'd you get the degree.
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Originally posted by Shrike:
What, you gave yourself a degree in astrophysics? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) I meant where'd you get the degree.
Oh sorry! I studied a 3 year course at Curtin University in Perth, Western Australia. I only finished this year. However, there's not many jobs available in this field in Western Australia (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
By the way, does anyone know which system Vasuda is in?
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Vasuda doesn’t exist in the real universe, volition came up with it. I recall a posting on a server a while back that had a Nasa rep stating some details about the real systems and the ones that don't exist. Also they had possible inhabitable systems for a planet and some other stuff.
Max
Volition does have Technical Advisers from Nasa you Know, they just don't select at random. You gotta chose good names as well.
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Dubhe
Proper names: Alpha Ursae Majoris, the Great Bear
Distance from Sol: ~125 light-years
Spectral class: K0IIIa
Alphard
Proper names: Alpha Hydrae; Alfard; Alphart; Kalbelaphard; Cor Hydrae
Spectral class: K3II-III
Barnard's Star
Proper names: Barnard's Star, Barnard's Runaway Star
Distance from Sol: 5.941 light-years
Spectral class: M4V
Companion (unnamed I):
Mass: 0.7 x Jupiter
Semimajor Axis: 3 A.U.s
Companion (unnamed II):
Mass: 1.15 x Jupiter
Period: 24 years
Semimajor Axis: 5 A.U.s
Besides moving across the terrestrial sky faster than any other star (almost a third of a degree of arc per century!), Barnard's Star, we are certain, has planets. Although we have never actually seen these planets, wobbles in Barnard's Star's course indicate that it has two invisible companions, one with a mass of 0.7 times that of Jupiter (0.0007 x Sol) orbiting it at 3 Astronomical Units, and one with a mass of 1.15 times that of Jupiter (0.0015 x Sol) orbiting it at 5 A.U.s with an orbital period of 24 years. However, since this is an old Population II star which formed before the galaxy became enriched with heavy elements, these planets are going to be carbon and metal poor, probably little more than heavy balls of hydrogen and helium. (One catalog even states that, despite its velocity’s moderate z-component, Barnard's Star actually belongs to the *very* old galactic halo population.)
The British Interplanetary Society once proposed Project Daedalus, a mission to send an unmanned spacecraft to Barnard's Star using a deuterium/helium-3 nuclear fusion reaction to provide thrust. Such a mission would require both a larger spacecraft-construction infrastructure, and better hot-fusion technology, than are currently available.
Wolf 359
Proper names: CN Leonis
Distance from Sol: 7.797 light-years
Spectral class: M6eV
Variable type: UV Ceti flare star (eruptive variable)
Besides its proximity to our own sun, this tiny star is one of the least luminous known, even though astronomers suspect that such intrinsically faint stars are probably very common in space. Alpha Centauri Proxima is another super-dim star of this ilk; and, like Proxima Centauri, Wolf 359 is now known to be a flare star (hence the CN Leonis variable star designation). Wolf 359's flare outbursts are rarer and not as violent as those of Proxima Centauri or UV Ceti.
Luyten (L) 726-8
Proper names: UV Ceti
Distance from Sol: 8.554 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Period: 200 years
Periastron distance: 4.119 A.U.s
Apastron distance: 25.10 A.U.s
Component A:
Proper names: BL Ceti
Spectral class: M5.5eV
Component B:
Proper names: UV Ceti, Luyten's Flare Star
Spectral class: M6eV
Properly, only the less bright star in this system (Luyten 726-8 B) bears the name UV Ceti, since it is a variable star — the UV indicates that this was the 35th variable star discovered in the constellation Cetus. It is an extreme flare star; in less than a minute, it can quintuple its total brightness, afterwhich it will fall back down to normal brightness levels within two or three minutes; and then flare suddenly again after several hours. In 1952, UV Ceti was observed flaring to 75 times its normal brightness in only 20 seconds!
If van de Kamp's orbital data are to be believed, these two stars would have to be exceedingly small and light -- their masses would be only 0.044 x Sol for the "A" star and 0.035 x Sol for UV Ceti. This would mean that, although each of these stars is brighter than Wolf 359, Wolf 359 would have a higher mass than both of these stars combined. However, if we assume that Worley & Behall's orbital data are the more accurate, the two stars' total mass would be 0.23 x Sol, which is more in keeping with the measurements of both their luminosities and their diameters.
No info on Laramis
Ross 128
Proper names: FI Virginis
Distance from Sol: 10.89 light-years
Spectral class: M4nV
Variable type: UV Ceti flare star (eruptive variable)
No info on Delta Serpentis
Sol
Proper names: Sol, Helios, The Sun
Spectral class: G2V
Detected companions: 8
The "8" in the Detected Planets entry is not an error. Pluto is not a "planet," but a huge, close-orbiting, low-eccentricity Kuiper Belt object. With a big moon. Of course, some die-hards out there still insist that it really is a planet, more for sentimental reasons than anything else. They're welcome to live in their little fantasy world. Neener neener.
Beta Aquilae
Proper names: Beta Aquilae, Alschain, 60 Aquilae
Distance from Sol: 44.7 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Observed Separation: 175 A.U.s
Component A:
Spectral class: G8IV
Component B:
Spectral class: M3V
Antares
Proper names: Antares, Alpha Scorpii, Cor Scorpionis, 21 Scorpii
Distance from Sol: 604 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Periastron distance: 483 A.U.s
Apastron distance: 590 A.U.s
Component A:
Spectral class: M1Ib
Component B:
Spectral class: B4V-VI
No info on Ribos
No info on Ikeya
Beta Cygni
Proper names: Alberio
Distance from Sol: 380 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Combined Spectral class: K0B8v
Period: 7,300 years
Betegeuse
Proper names: Betelgeuse, Betelgeux, The Martial Star, Alpha Orionis, 58 Orionis
Distance from Sol: 427 light-years
Spectral class: M2Ib
Its actual diameter varies from 550 to 920 times Sol. This may be indicative of instabilities within the star which could turn it into a supernova at any time.
Vega
Proper names: Vega, Alpha Lyrae, 3 Lyrae, Wega
Distance from Sol: 25.30 light-years
Spectral class: A0V
Partial Nebulous Properties
Capella, Polaris, Regulus, Deneb done before
Gamma Draconis
Proper names: Eltanin
Spectral class: K5III
Epsilon Pegasi
Proper names: Enif
Spectral class: K21b
Procyon
Proper names: Procyon, Alpha Canis Minoris, 10 Canis Minoris, The Little Dog Star
Distance from Sol: 11.41 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Periastron distance: 9.544 A.U.s
Apastron distance: 22.27 A.U.s
Component A:
Spectral class: F5IV-V
Component B:
Spectral class: DAwd (Eggen/Greenstein white dwarf (EG) 53)
Alpha Centauri
Proper names: Alpha Centauri, Alpha and Proxima Centauri, Rigil Kentaurus, Toliman
Distance from Sol: 4.395 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Period: 79.92 years
Periastron distance: 11.42 A.U.s
Apastron distance: 35.78 A.U.s
Data for (A-B) and Proxima's orbit around one other:
Period: 500000 years
Observed Separation: 17,652 A.U.s
Component A:
Spectral class: G2V
Comfort Zone: 1.252 A.U.s
Component B:
Spectral class: K4V
Comfort Zone: 0.678 A.U.s
Component Proxima:
Proper names: Proxima Centauri, V645 Centauri, Alpha Centauri Proxima, Alpha Proxima
Distance from Sol: 4.223 light-years
Spectral class: M5eV
Variable type: UV Ceti flare star (eruptive variable)
Although the third brightest star in the system can be called "Alpha Centauri C," as per the usual naming convention, it is usually referred to as Proxima Centauri, since the dimmest star of this triplet happens to be THE closest star to our own sun. Proxima is a flare star; its flares about double the star's brightness, occurring sporadically from hour to hour. In fact, at any given moment, more than one flare may be operating. This varying brightness gave it the name "V645 Centauri" among variable star enthusiasts. Unfortunately, such flares are lethal to any life that might otherwise arise on planets in its comfort zone (if Proxima has any).
Life on planets orbiting Alpha Centauri A or B, however, is almost as likely as life in our own star system. Since the smallest gap between A and B is 11.3 Astronomical Units, any planets closer to A or B than one-quarter of this distance (2.9 A.U.s) would be in stable orbits. Furthermore, 2.9 A.U.s is wider than the comfort zone of either of these stars, so any planets in the comfort zones of A or B would also be within the stable orbit region. These stars are young enough to have developed when the galaxy was rich with life-supporting and solid-planet-supporting heavy elements, yet old enough for any life there to have evolved into complex forms.
Aldebaran
Proper names: Aldebaran, Alpha Tauri, 87 Tauri
Distance from Sol: 65.1 light-years
Data for A and B's orbit around one other:
Observed Separation: 607 A.U.s
Data for C and D's orbit around one other:
Combined spectrum: KV-VI
Observed Separation: 33.9 A.U.s
Data for (A-B) and (C-D)'s orbit around one other:
Observed Separation: 2430 A.U.s
Component A:
Spectral class: K5III
Component B:
Spectral class: M2V
Altair
Proper names: Altair, Alpha Aquilae, 53 Aquilae
Distance from Sol: 16.77 light-years
Spectral class: A7V
No info on Vasuda (of course)
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Technical advisors at NASA?
No, Volition has writers, fiction writers.
Eshtimo, what I am stating is that star systems and their contents within FreeSpace are not written or altered to match reality, they are written for plot and artist convenience.
Instead of writing pages of data trying to fit what we see of Capella in FS2 to reality, focus on things which are useful to mission designers such as the canon events and politics.
Having data such as this in a format which can be used and acessed is great, but should be in it's own categories of reference... (and not in the FS canon category since Volition has never stated whether "real life" star data is true in the FS universe, and assumption is a fallacy in this sort of case)
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
No info on Delta Serpentis
You couldn't find anything on Delta Serp? Geez, I found it on a starmap..... can't you? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Here's a scale of whether or not it is possible for a FS star to have an M-class planet in orbit (10=definately, 5=possibly, 3=doubt it, 1=you kidding?, 0=impossible)
Capella A (7)
Capella B (7)
Capella Ha (1)
Capella Hb (1)
Altair (2)
Ross 128 (0) - Dangerous system
Polaris A (4)
Polaris B (6)
Regulus A (3.5)
Regulus B (3.5 - 6) - Depends on radiation from A.
Regulus C (1)
Antares A (0) - You'd freeze to death, or suffocate from the volatile gases thrown out by that thing.
Antares B (0 - 2) - Depends on A.
Dubhe (7)
Alphard (6.5)
Barnard's Star (1)
Wolf 359 (0) - Dangerous system.
Luyten 726-8 (0) - Dangerous binary system.
Sol (10) - Evidence already exists.
Beta Aquilae A (8 - 9) - Depends on radiation from B.
Beta Aquilae B (1)
Beta Cygni (1 - 5) - Hard to tell.
Betelgeuse (0) - Standing one minute, caught in a nova/supernova next minute...
Vega (3-5) - Probably too hot.
Gamma Draconis (8)
Enif - Epsilon Pegasi (5)
Procyon (7-8) - Depending on B.
Alpha Centauri A (10)
Alpha Centauri B (8)
Alpha Centauri C - Proxima Centauri (0) - Dangerous near habitable zone area, but farther enough not to effect a planet in orbit of A, B.
Aldebaran A (6)
Aldebaran B (1)
Altair (2)
I hope this helps.
Shrike, I didn't have time to find Delta Serpentis... If you have any info on it, why don't you send it through?
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Right... back to that damn drawing board then.
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
Sol (10)
Well, that's always good to know. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
Alpha Centauri A (10)
But that again is quite worrying... you don't happen to possess any really advanced sensors or interstellar flight, do you?
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First of all
Ace, Volition does have Nasa Technical advisers even though most information is made up by fictional writers. They have advisers so the game is a little more realistic. They advise on particular information like the physics, astronomy, etc only when Volition requests it though.
Pegasus V did you say you got all that info from a book, because I have yet to see stuff like that too easily produced in one place. Oh by the way if your an astrophysicist shouldn't you have many sources to acquire such information on most systems.
Becuase I did find delta serpentis, what little information there is!
Apparent Magnitude: +3.08
Spectra: F0IV
Constellation: Serpens
The other systems that Pegasus V did not find can be found on the net but are not under the names specified.
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
(this is a blue star - extremely hot. No Earth-like planet could exist in orbit of this star - too hot and too much radiation.)
Originally posted by Pegasus V:
I know a few stars that have habitable zones that weren't used in FS.
Like:
Tua Ceti
Pollux
Procyon
Epsilon Eridani
61 Cygni
Ah man! Now it looks like I'm going to have to remap and change around some of the fiction/placenames in my campaign. I've got Beta Pic as having life (next to Epsilon Eridani without any), and now it looks like I'll have to reverse that or something...
... or should I just do like Volition and change facts for fiction?
Originally posted by Ace:
Instead of writing pages of data trying to fit what we see of Capella in FS2 to reality, focus on things which are useful to mission designers such as the canon events and politics.
I think that the reference should have both. Like a section devoted to what is officialy Volition (as you say), and another section devoted to what is scientifically fact (so that people can compare and contrast). Also, a section for hypothesis/fiction to help people when they're making campaigns (like my goof above). And another section maybe for fan-fiction, like all the facts stated in the fan-made campaigns (though maybe just the popular ones if it's a lot of work).
Joe.
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Originally posted by joek:
Ah man! Now it looks like I'm going to have to remap and change around some of the fiction/placenames in my campaign. I've got Beta Pic as having life (next to Epsilon Eridani without any), and now it looks like I'll have to reverse that or something...
... or should I just do like Volition and change facts for fiction?
Well, there always holes in the system. Just say that 'so-and-so was unaccounted for' or 'there was a flaw in the calculation process', and hey presto, life wherever you want it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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This is a site you've gotta to have a look at, theres just so many sites out there with heaps of stuff but you have to process all of it. Thats the only catch
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/stars.htm ("http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/stars.htm")
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Originally posted by Shrike:
Geez, I found it on a starmap..... can't you? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Yeah, but you haven't found anything else on it, now have you?
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What Joe says sounds good to me (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Ace, Volition does have Nasa Technical advisers even though most information is made up by fictional writers. They have advisers so the game is a little more realistic. They advise on particular information like the physics, astronomy, etc only when Volition requests it though.
Whatever you say Max, please E-Mail [email protected] and ask how many NASA technical advisors Volition had to check the facts in FS to make it "a little more realistic" as you said (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Now Adam Pletcher did say a long time ago on the FUDL that they did have a physics professor (or a pure doctor, forgot which but it was on the FUDL... or was it the VBB? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) ) check up on their equations to help out with the FS engine.
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No probs!
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Originally posted by Max:
Pegasus V did you say you got all that info from a book, because I have yet to see stuff like that too easily produced in one place. Oh by the way if your an astrophysicist shouldn't you have many sources to acquire such information on most systems.
Thanks for finding that info Max, but as I stated in my last post, I didn't get time to look it up (Delta Serpentis). I only listed ones that I knew 'off heart', and when I'm talking about books I mean that I have a compilation of up-to-date documents that all Astrophysists should have... I just used them for exact specifications and a couple of things I forgot.
Originally posted by joek:
... or should I just do like Volition and change facts for fiction?.
Personally, I think you should change it and make it accurate, but I don't speak for everyone.
Originally posted by Jabu:
Alpha Centauri (10) - But that again is quite worrying... you don't happen to possess any really advanced sensors or interstellar flight, do you?.
I think it's amazing that the most likely system that could support an M-class planet is our closest neighbour.
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I hope all this information helps you out Shadowman.
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By the way Pegasus V you mentioned earlier that Barnard’s Star could not support a terrestrial body and just 5 minutes ago i found a site that said it could with a small explanation why!
You also said you done astrophysics at Curtain Uni, did you know a John Fedec there?
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Try something like Red Shift 4 or Starynight. We got Spectral Type, which leads to a rough idea of it's diameter, mass, surface temperature, composition, absolute visual magnitude, and a couple of others I think such as it's eventual fate. Also, distance from the Sun can be worked out with almost any Star Chart worth it's weight.
Red Shift 4 - A wonderful, yet cheap piece of Astronomy Software that has a ton of info within it. I got it for just £19.99.
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Originally posted by Max:
By the way Pegasus V you mentioned earlier that Barnard’s Star could not support a terrestrial body and just 5 minutes ago i found a site that said it could with a small explanation why!
You also said you done astrophysics at Curtain Uni, did you know a John Fedec there?
I would like to see this explanation... Can you direct me to it? But honestly, there is no way (using our current theories) that an M-class planet could exist with life there. It's just too cold.
No, I never met anyone by the name of John Fedec at Uni... Why?
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Quick question, why the bleep are Terran type worlds "Class M" in Star Trek?
You'd think it would be "Class A" since that's where life is (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Ace:
Quick question, why the bleep are Terran type worlds "Class M" in Star Trek?
You'd think it would be "Class A" since that's where life is (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
To clarify things, the term Class M isn't just used in Star Trek, it is a common term in Astronomy these days. The M was used because classes A to L were already used way back in the 50's. Back then most astronomers were too narrow sited to believe that there could be another Earth-like planet out there, that's why A wasn't their first choice.
I've just compiled a list of star systems that are likely to have a habitable zone in a 30LY radius of Sol:
- Rigel Kentaurus (Alpha Centauri)
- Epsilon Eridani
- Procyon
- 61 Cygni (Extra Solar planets already discovered)
- Epsilon Indi
- Tua Ceti
- Groombridge 1618
- Keid (has a White Dwarf companion though)
- 70 Ophiuchi
- Sigma Draconis
- Gliese 570
- Eta Cassiopeiae
- 36 Ophiuchi
- J. Herschel 5173
- 82 Eridani
- Delta Pavonis
- Gliese 892
- Xi Bootis
- Gliese 667
- Gliese 105
- Gliese 33
- 107 Piscis
- Beta Hydri
- Mu Cassiopeiae
- TW Piscis Austrini
- Gliese 673
- Pi Orionis
- Chi Draconis
- Gliese 884
- P Eridani
- Asterion
- Mu Herculis
- 61 Virginis (Extrasolar Planet already detected)
- Zeta Tucanae
- Gliese 250
- Gliese 666
- Gliese 183
- Gliese 785
- Wolf 46
- Gamma Leporis
- Beta Comae Berenices
- CF Ursae Majoris
- Kappa Ceti
Bold Denotes Higher Chances.
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Well John would have finished Astrophysics about the same time you would have or early but he dropped out I think in the 2nd year because he knew there wouldn't be any work in WA. So his chosen something else.
Heres the link though the way I view our current theories based on most topics are likely to be missing a few points, its just all speculation. What your taught now might be different in the future. So not until were actually out there in space exploring we don't know the environments which planets can form in!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/starlog/strclos.html#c4 ("http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/starlog/strclos.html#c4")
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Originally posted by Max:
Well John would have finished Astrophysics about the same time you would have or early but he dropped out I think in the 2nd year because he knew there wouldn't be any work in WA. So his chosen something else.
I remember a few people dropping out in the 2nd year, but I didn't really socialise with many people at uni, so I can't really remember if one of those people could have been him. Is he a friend of yours? I was thinking of dropping out each semester, but everytime I thought to myself well I've got this far, I should finish it now...
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His my brother but its good you finished your Degree because it's quite interesting and worth the effort. He plays a lot of chess, that should be a big hint!
Oh look what I've found (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/10/06/space.planets.reut/index.html ("http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/10/06/space.planets.reut/index.html") (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif)
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your brother? cool!
Sorry, still doesn't ring a bell...
Where do you live?
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
To clarify things, the term Class M isn't just used in Star Trek, it is a common term in Astronomy these days. The M was used because classes A to L were already used way back in the 50's. Back then most astronomers were too narrow sited to believe that there could be another Earth-like planet out there, that's why A wasn't their first choice.
I still think it sounds silly. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) And to tell you the truth, I've never ran into that nomenclature except in star trek....
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Originally posted by Shrike:
I still think it sounds silly. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) And to tell you the truth, I've never ran into that nomenclature except in star trek....
You don't get out much then do you? I think it sounds silly to and I think they should reformat it, but they won't (not at least for a while yet anyway).
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Hmmm, well seeing as every site I found called it the 'ST classification method' and didn't give any references to an actual scientific classification method, I have my doubts about it. In fact, one website even had canon examples and hypothetical examples.
Here's one that's just an unofficial but much better. Click ("http://www.mcn.net/~dollan/wb03.html")
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On the classification that Shrike showed ( much more precise and descriptive then the Star Trek method (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) ) Vasuda Prime would be a hyperarid world due to the mentions of "lack of drinkable water on the surface, even to Vasudan standards."
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I saw in one of the FS tech room things that Gamma Drac didn't have any planets, basically a useless system other than the knossos...
This info would come in handy for a starmap like IW2s *another hint*
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What about the Ancients? We can map the Ancients' worlds too, like Altair. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Well, think about it like this:
Use the real life info on the systems, but for the planets the GTVA inhabited...just say they used special technology that allowed them to settle there! That, or they terraformed a planet and shielded the colonies somehow.
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
That, or they terraformed a planet and shielded the colonies somehow.
Terraforming, yeah!
Oh, and speaking of special technologies, I wonder what the cities of the GTVA will be like. Super-technologically advanced? And do they still need Hella-huge rockets to launch raw material into space?
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Why would they need hella-huge rockets when you have fusion drives and gravity control? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by PhReAk:
I saw in one of the FS tech room things that Gamma Drac didn't have any planets, basically a useless system other than the knossos...
Quote, "Remote, uninhabited system discovered shortly before the outbreak of the Great War. No planets, no viable resources. The GTSC Erikson visited Gamma Draconis 15 years ago reporting nothing out of the ordinary." referring to Gamma Draconis.
Shadowman, I have taken quite a few notes on important events, and system info from the first 3rd of FS2. Give me an email [email protected] and I will send you all I have.
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[This message has been edited by Pegasus V (edited 09-08-2001).]
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Originally posted by wEvil:
*edit*
Oh, and ill do you a proper (IE, accurate)3D model of the nodemaps once you've collated all your data.
Please do, as I think this will help out many people who want to make their own Command ANI's... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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On the comments of "lets make a chart for each system based on real life!" unless Volition makes it official it shouldn't be under the canon category however much you love it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (as I keep on saying in many threads on this FSURP...)
The most we can get from systems are events tied to them and minor notes.
Notes such as:
Deneb as of (insert approx. date in FS2 campaign) 2367
*Cygnus Prime (inhabited world)
*Deneb Asteroid Field (Ancients excavation)
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Actually, all of this is still just hypotheses (maybe very VERY good hypotheses) but it will still remain just that until we actually drop by for a visit to check our measurements and calcualtions against the real thing, so FICTION writers are still free to do as they will...
Of course, basing your material on these hypotheses is a good way to truely explore the real nature of an interstellar society, not to mention that it adds a neat little 'cookie' for those in the know so I say, use your best judgement...
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Please do, as I think this will help out many people who want to make their own Command ANI's... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Shrike, for the umpteenth time, aren't you doing something about this?