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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Scuddie on November 11, 2005, 03:32:21 pm
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Between having used IE (maxthon shell), Firefox, and Opera, I am quite fed up with all the different browsers. It seems not one of them works! My problem with IE was only becoming noticeable recently, but it's fairly obvious what it is... Stability and security. This browser is no longer for me. My problem with Firefox is that the multi-windowing system absolutely sucks, and ActiveX is disabled. It is because of this why I have always hated it with a passion. I want a web browser, not a nuisance. Opera is everything Firefox should have been, but XML, ActiveX, and Java controls do not work for me correctly, ever. It seems more like a fool's implementation of it.
So with that said, does a good browser actually exist? What I would like in a browser is the always-working compiling and displaying of IE, the security of Firefox, and the multisession options of Opera. I am just a tad tired of having three browsers instaslled on my PC. It is pissing me off, and rightly so. I just want one. ONE! I wouldn't mind, for once, using a browser that wasn't programmed by a group of incompetant imbeciles...
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Not to sound harsh, but either you're incredibly, unrealistically picky, or something's broken. Firefox works very well - and how does the multi-windowing system suck? What does it do (or not) that you don't like?
I only used Opera briefly, before the adverts annoyed me too much, but again, it worked perfectly well.
You know FF is open-source, right? So if you're that pissed at the peeps who write it, you can always fix it yourself...
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Are you seriously suggesting the Firefox and Opera developers include the single most insecure component of IE into their browsers? It's a good thing ActiveX doesn't work.
BTW: If you really must have ActiveX, there is an extension for Firefox (http://ietab.mozdev.org/) that lets you use the IE engine instead of Gecko. Do some research before *****ing. :rolleyes:
pyro: Since version 8.5 all the adverts have been removed from Opera.
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I think this arguement would be much more justified on the Pocket PC platform. Pocket IE is completely useless, Netfront 3 doesnt display things exactly the way I want them, ever, and Minimo is way too slow, still in development. Pocket IE has a hack to make it function similar to IE6, but then the pages are rendered without any sort of formatting for the PPC, in other words, it's huge, and you have to scroll all over the place just to read the webpage. I'm curious though, why would you absolutely NEED ActiveX?
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Yeah, I consider it a very good thing that FF does not run ActiveX scripts.
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I'm curious though, why would you absolutely NEED ActiveX?
It's probably because Windows update uses ActiveX.
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Use Firefox for everything, until you get to a site that needs ActiveX.
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OHH right! I guess though I'm used to doing what we do at work, we get the updates seperately and install them seperately. It's our way of avoiding IE as much as possible.
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Try Dr. Orca http://forum.avantbrowser.com/viewtopic.php?t=12628, still in beta stage but an excellent combination between the features of Avant Browser and Gecko (Firefox) engine.
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Between having used IE (maxthon shell), Firefox, and Opera, I am quite fed up with all the different browsers. It seems not one of them works! My problem with IE was only becoming noticeable recently, but it's fairly obvious what it is... Stability and security. This browser is no longer for me. My problem with Firefox is that the multi-windowing system absolutely sucks, and ActiveX is disabled. It is because of this why I have always hated it with a passion. I want a web browser, not a nuisance. Opera is everything Firefox should have been, but XML, ActiveX, and Java controls do not work for me correctly, ever. It seems more like a fool's implementation of it.
So with that said, does a good browser actually exist? What I would like in a browser is the always-working compiling and displaying of IE, the security of Firefox, and the multisession options of Opera. I am just a tad tired of having three browsers instaslled on my PC. It is pissing me off, and rightly so. I just want one. ONE! I wouldn't mind, for once, using a browser that wasn't programmed by a group of incompetant imbeciles...
Basically what you're asking for does not exist. And I think your splitting hairs.
What multi-windowing system in Firefox? What sucks? It operates like every other browser out there when it comes to handling windows and tabs.
Personally I'm a huge fan of Firefox. It does everything I want it to do, not having ActiveX is a good thing (this is the buggiest piece of security ridden crap ever and its one of the primary causes for IE's problems), it has full support of W3C standards (IE does not), and its very simple.
What you may want to try, and I don't know if this will work, and I don't know if you can get past the "multi windowing" problem but there is a Firefox plugin called "IE View" which lets you view webpages as IE would view them if you want to.
You can of course wait for IE7.0 and see what that brings to us. The best version of it won't be available for Windows XP mind you but that is heavily dependant on the security system built into Windows Vista so I can sort of see why. But honestly, I think Firefox is the best option for the vast majority of people out there...count your blessings that nobody use uses ActiveX and be happy. And if its missing something, look for one of the various plugins.
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Nobody uses ActiveX? How about Flash (which sucks as a plugin), Trend Micro Housecall, Comcast tech support, some of DSLR tools... The list goes on and on.
As for the windowing system in firefox, it's the fact that no matter what configuration you set, it is still going to treat new windows as new instances of Firefox. Maxthon doesn't do that, nor does Opera. Firefox on the other hand has a notorious habbit of opening a brand new Firefox instance whenever there is target=_blank present. Launched browser windows from external applications also always opens a new instance of firefox, instead of a new tab. Tabs are also not-so-easy to close. Like I said, this is completely regardless of configuration.
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As for the windowing system in firefox, it's the fact that no matter what configuration you set, it is still going to treat new windows as new instances of Firefox. Maxthon doesn't do that, nor does Opera. Firefox on the other hand has a notorious habbit of opening a brand new Firefox instance whenever there is target=_blank present. Launched browser windows from external applications also always opens a new instance of firefox, instead of a new tab. Tabs are also not-so-easy to close. Like I said, this is completely regardless of configuration.
Not true in the least. It sounds like you've never heard of Tabbrowser Preferences (https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=158), which is practically required downloading for Firefox users. It adds a lot of useful tabbed browsing options into the Preferences interface. Every link I click on with a target redirect opens in a new tab in the background. Closing a tab is as easy as middle-clicking on it; in fact, I thought that was a default feature of Firefox. You might be right about opening links from external applications, but Tabbrowser Preferences might cover that as well, and if it doesn't I'm sure another extension does. (Speaking of which, after checking out the extensions page, I've heard about a new extension called Tab Mix Plus that sounds like it may be even better than TBP; I'll have to look into it.) A little research before venting goes a long way.
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:wtf:
Nobody uses ActiveX? How about Flash (which sucks as a plugin), Trend Micro Housecall, Comcast tech support, some of DSLR tools... The list goes on and on.
Flash does not suck as a plugin. It does not need ActiveX. It installs itself for both IE and FF quite happily.
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Sorry Vyper, but you are wrong. Flash installs an ActiveX control for IE, not the plugin. There are many sites I am forced to use IE because of the fact that embedded form data doesn't work right as a plugin.
Mongoose, thanks for the link. I'll try it out.
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Sorry Vyper, but you are wrong. Flash installs an ActiveX control for IE, not the plugin. There are many sites I am forced to use IE because of the fact that embedded form data doesn't work right as a plugin.
Mongoose, thanks for the link. I'll try it out.
Yes it may very well install as that in IE, but it doesn't NEED to be that. Go on, give me an example where it's a problem to use flash and FF.
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Embedded form data.
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And who in God's name is using flash for form data? That's such a waste of, well, everything that it's not funny.
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Embedded form data.
I noticed you already said that, I meant an actual instance where it didn't work.
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/me vouches for Mozilla Suite 1.7.12
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The ActiveX issue doesn't matter as there's an extension (http://ietab.mozdev.org/) that lets FF use the IE engine. Do people not read posts anymore? :p
Launched browser windows from external applications also always opens a new instance of firefox, instead of a new tab.
This is not Firefox's fault. It is either Windows or the other applications. On my box if I have an open Firefox window and type "firefox http://www.slashdot.com" into a terminal it will open slashdot in the open window.
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Download the Tabbrowser Preference extension. Makes it a lot easier to customize tab behavior.
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I KNOW you can customize that without downloading any kind of plugin (my default behavior is to open an external link in a new tab in the most recently focused window; there are some issues, like if one of those no-menubar windows is open the tab will appear there but that's a fairly minor corner case) and it's almost as responsive as Windows-I mean Internet-Explorer. I forget how much I mucked about to change that, but I sincerely doubt it was much.
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Yeah, there's some option somewhere to force all new window links to open into a new tab... I think you have to go to about:config and find it though. =/ Or just get Tabbrowser Preferences which'll do the same thing for you.
And what sites that use flash for embedded form data and ActiveX are actually worth going to, Windows Update aside?
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The extension gives you more options. When I used Firefox, I always made sure I had it installed, as it was a lot better setup than the default.
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Embedded form data.
Any site that uses Flash for forms is a crime against intelligence. Such sites should be boycotted on principle.
Anyone who insists that lack of ActiveX support is a bad thing is an idiot. And Billy Gates' wet dream seven years ago.