Hard Light Productions Forums
Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: JBX-Phoenix on September 11, 2001, 07:07:00 pm
-
I know we are getting political here, but it's an act of war on my ...our... country and... SCREW whoever did this. What do you think the US will, could, should do to retaliate on whoever did this?
------------------
Ich kann nicht eine Sache des Deutschen sprechen!!
ICQ: 123370135
Lead designer of the new campaign
Freespace: Earthforce (//"http://www.maxpages.com/fsearthforce")
-
you could have posted this in the curent topic we don't want 20 topics about it.but i agree whit you there need to have take some real hard action
------------------
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/headz.gif)
------------------
[email protected] Staff member of
SOC Inferno,
can you defeat
the shivans?
Soc Inferno
Project Rebellion ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellionhtml/")
Gost of the past ("http://www.gotp.f2s.com/")
iqc 102628858
-
I didn't post this in the other because this is a VERY serious matter. I didn't want it accidently over looked since a lot of people are posting there.
-
This is a dangerous topic, it can do nothing more than get people more worked up than they already are. Isn't it already depressing enough? You're talking about taking action without knowing the whys and whos. Speculation is not as good idea at this point!
-
No offense, but you have no idea how us Americans take this matter. I for one am so pissed................... oh my God...Please help us......
-
Originally posted by Maeglamor:
This is a dangerous topic, it can do nothing more than get people more worked up than they already are. Isn't it already depressing enough? You're talking about taking action without knowing the whys and whos. Speculation is not as good idea at this point!
Agreed.
------------------
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/headz.gif)
------------------
[email protected] Staff member of
SOC Inferno,
can you defeat
the shivans?
Soc Inferno
Project Rebellion ("http://www.avengershome.co.uk/rebellionhtml/")
Gost of the past ("http://www.gotp.f2s.com/")
iqc 102628858
-
It's best to get all the facts before we go gunning for someone. It'll take days, if not weeks, before we know what happened here today.
------------------
"Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty"
Fastest Man Alive
Go Ravens!
-
And if you get down to it, it's most likely from a terrorist group, posssibly Osama bin Ladan. What more could we do to him? We can't even locate him, let alone prosecute him! But anyway, I agree with Maeglamor, you should wait until you have all the facts.
-
it look slike there have already been retalitory strikes agasinst afhanistan - looks like crusie missiles which is consistnat with the threats of the states against he talaban should that guy do anythign against the states
-
They were NOT US missile attacks. They have a civil war going on over there and maybe the other group found a good opportunity to attack the fuel or weapons depot.
-
Maeglamor not be be condescending but
Our mainland has never been successfully hit - the last time we had a foreign army on our mainland was 1812.
Our mainland, our MAINLAND was violated greviously, CIVILIAN targets were hit - we would still be outraged by not to this level if it was a military target.
The pulse of the nation speaks one singular word: WAR
[This message has been edited by Kazan (edited 09-11-2001).]
-
I'm from Australia, but I even feel violated by this tragedy. Everyone's talking about it here at work. We can't get on with our work...
-
Yeah I have no idea what that is like. I live in a country where bombings, terrorists and shootings are commonplace!!
My 'mainland' has been technically under seige for years. If you had seen the results of war point blank Kazan you would be hard pressed to speak with such bravado about it.
-
Careful guys.
Let the dust settle a bit before you try and see through it, okay?
-
Originally posted by Kazan:
Our mainland, our MAINLAND was violated greviously, CIVILIAN targets were hit
That's exactly what NATO and UN have been doing to Iraq for some years now. With the embargo and some bombing. Neat....no. Double standard.....yes.
Pez
[This message has been edited by Pez (edited 09-12-2001).]
-
perhaps you dont get it more people were killed in this alone than the whole gulf war - whiel we might have hit afew civilian targets they weren' the target we were amining for and we were very sorry for those civilian caustlties - these people are barbarians andanimals and dont diserve to be treated better than such infact they are worse than animals - no animal behaves like that - its unthinkable - and even if we find those responcible did anyone see the news? there are kids firing guns into the air in celebration - there is another wave ready to take over - the middle east should be sealed off completely let them starve and die of thirst - only then will the civilised world be safe - hell if i was bush i would be damn tempted to nuke the whole damn middle east
-
Originally posted by KillMeNow:
...the middle east should be sealed off completely let them starve and die of thirst - only then will the civilised world be safe - hell if i was bush i would be damn tempted to nuke the whole damn middle east
Thanks. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
Really, I know what you meant, but particularly in situations like this, generalization can be extremely dangerous.
------------------
America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
-
What should be done is finding out who did it.
------------------
.....File not found....please enter password
Webmaster of Subspace Zero ("http://www.subspacezero.com")
Co-Creator, GroundZero ("http://www.subspacezero.com/omega18.htm")
ICQ# 117983680
-
Originally posted by KillMeNow:
perhaps you dont get it more people were killed in this alone than the whole gulf war - whiel we might have hit afew civilian targets they weren' the target we were amining for and we were very sorry for those civilian caustlties - these people are barbarians andanimals and dont diserve to be treated better than such infact they are worse than animals - no animal behaves like that - its unthinkable - and even if we find those responcible did anyone see the news? there are kids firing guns into the air in celebration - there is another wave ready to take over - the middle east should be sealed off completely let them starve and die of thirst - only then will the civilised world be safe - hell if i was bush i would be damn tempted to nuke the whole damn middle east
I must just say. Goddamn you're stupid.. Do you know how many innocent people who has died because of the embargo. And the embargo was set up after the Gulf war. It's not 10000 it's not 100000! It more likely 500000 people, maybe more. And how many of those are innocent children, who can do nothing about Saddam Hussain.
Your attitude to this is no better than the terrorists who did the attack on the Pentagon and the WTC.
Pez
-
the only reason those people ahve died is because of saddam - he is allowed to by humanitarian items but wont so the those people who have died after the embargo have died becasue of saddam not us - the point is we dont go out to attack civilians - and you should be careful of taking sides with the people who did this - the only people i can think of that would after a tragedy like jsut say ohhh well look at that double standards, would be the terrorists themselves
-
Originally posted by Pez:
That's exactly what NATO and UN have been doing to Iraq for some years now. B]
we hit military targets - all the 'civilian hits' were bombings arranged by Saddam
as for the embargo that that is to put pressure on Saddam to step down - we also give him things that are specifically suppose to go to the population and do not make it there - ie food and medical. Saddam is causing the suffering of his people not us.
Get your facts straight on a subject this old before you shoot your mouth off.
"Better to remain silent and let people think you are ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
-
Computer hackers could have crippled the entire country but it wouldn't have been an adequate show of force so instead america cranked countless millions in a campaign that could've been far more effective if they'd only hit a few specific targets.
If you think I'm talking crap then you should know that analysts in NATO provided this info.
-
This is not a question of taking sides. This is a question about right and wrong. This is for you to get some perspective on things. It's not all good and evil, black or white.
And in this case I think the embargo hasn't done what it should do. At first the reason for the embargo was good. It was to prevent Iraq to start another war.
But the sanctions have missed their intended mark. And instead ordinary people get hurted by this.
And about that humanitarian help. I dont't really know, but what I know is that Iraq can't sell their oil. And oil is where they get their money from.
Oh...and Kazan. Calm down, I can't say that I'm 100% right or that I have all the facts. And I dont't know your sources about Iraq bombing themself, but I don't think Nato would say that they bombed civilians. As I said it's not all black and white.
Pez
-
irag can sell its oil they jsut wont left him buy weapons with it but food medicine and all normal stuff to allieve the suffering he is allowed to sell his oil in exchange for
-
Originally posted by Kazan:
we hit military targets - all the 'civilian hits' were bombings arranged by Saddam
as for the embargo that that is to put pressure on Saddam to step down - we also give him things that are specifically suppose to go to the population and do not make it there - ie food and medical. Saddam is causing the suffering of his people not us.
Get your facts straight on a subject this old before you shoot your mouth off.
"Better to remain silent and let people think you are ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
Yes, you are right, as the civilian targets you hit in Serbia were arranged by them.
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???
YOU THINK THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY LEADERS ARE ******* SAINTS AND UNMISTAKEABLE??? YOU KNOW **** .
When those things happened you were sitting in your house watching on TV what your authorities wanted to show to you.
Do you know that your planes bombed Albanians that were fleeing the country? And a hospital? Or you believe that the Serbs bombed the Chinese embassy?
You know that CIA trained Bin Laden and his men when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan?
You saw the people that were celebrating in Lebanon? You would do the same if you would see half the Bagdad destroyed. You brought this to yourself.
I don't support those who did that. Find them and kill them slowly if you can. But you can't pretend the innocent.
Instead of grieving for your losses, you want to retaliate for the fact that they hit you in your home. Thats ARROGANCE.
-
The logical thing to do is not post here... why, why take heart to heart views and opinions of internet people who dont even go by real names ie(Red5, Kazan) Try talking it out at ur campus, or workplace or wherever you mingle
-
Originally posted by Red5:
why, why take heart to heart views and opinions of internet people who dont even go by real names ie(Red5, Kazan)
FYI. A lot of people do Know each other by real names here.
[This message has been edited by Top Gun (edited 09-12-2001).]
-
Originally posted by Snakeseyes:
Yes, you are right, as the civilian targets you hit in Serbia were arranged by them.
F*ck you, i wasn't talking about Serbia
now was i? NO
and i dont think my government and military leaders are saints, far from it.. and DEFENINANTLY DONT TELL ME I DONT KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT
F*ck you plain and simple, if we we're face to face i'd ask you to take this outside and i would proceed to whip your as$ so hard your
grandchildren would feel it
When I find out information i know how to find OBJECTIVE information, one of the beauties of the internet
Yes i know who trained Bin Laden and for what
Yes i saw all those people in lebanon, no i would no do the same if half of bagdad was destroyed - unless it was all military targets.
Origionally posted by Snakeseyes:
You brought this to yourself. ... Instead of grieving for your losses, you want to retaliate for the fact that they hit you in your home. Thats ARROGANCE.
YOU UNCARING PIECE OF SH1T I SHOULD F*CKING HUNT YOUR AS$ DOWN AND PUT YOU IN FRONT OF THE FIRING SQUAD!
That's far from arrogance, we ARE greiving for our losses, but we also know that we MUST retaliate. We have no choice, to do anything less would be to invite another attack..
Close your mouth you ignorant piece of trash
-
Originally posted by Red5:
The logical thing to do is not post here... why, why take heart to heart views and opinions of internet people who dont even go by real names ie(Red5, Kazan) Try talking it out at ur campus, or workplace or wherever you mingle
People here know my real name
if you don't ill repeat it
Derek Meek
-
Thank you Red5.
Oops! I guess I do go by my name now don't I (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
The fact is that the desire for retaliation and revenge is just a natural part of grieving after an attack such as this. I should know, I've seen it before (although on a much smaller scale, the few times we got bombed, mortared, shot at, etc, over in Somalia we all felt the same way.)
This wasn't just a simple industrial accident, this was a large scale military operation carried out by... somebody against targets of great cultural and symbolic signifigance within my country (not to mention the sheer cost in human lives) so of course we want to find the enemy responsible and lash out at them.
Furthurmore, comparing this attack to our own attack against Iraq is revolting. Prior to all such attacks warnings were issued, and ultimatums made that if complied with would have averted such attacks. Saddam decided in each and every instance that it would further his own cause to allow the attacks to commence and play spin-doctor to further solidify his own power AND to try and turn us against each other.
As far as attacks within the former Yugoslav republic... no comment. Where I live the entire operation was not seen in a very good light and as anyone who lived in London or Berlin during 1943-45 can attest, you cannot win a victory by simply bombing the other guys cities. All that accomplishes is to piss the other guy off and further cement thier resolve against you. Even the V-2 campaign waged in 1944 did nothing but speed up allied operations in France in anattempt to shut down such operations. Unfortunately our efforts in the former Yugoslavia did about the same thing, Serbs just sped up the tempo of thier own operations.
Saints? Hardly... but there are no saints on the battlements.
-
the chinese embasy was on the target list for bombings why????? becasue someone was payed to slip it into the target list and unfortunatly noone noticed until it was to late - probally more f*cking terrorists - and i think people who seem to suport this bombing and aren't condeming it with every fibre of there being should leave before someone does hunt your *** down and kazan or to answer another complaint - derek is right - the western world has to let it known to the world that this is not acceptable and those respocible and those who support the responcible will pay and pay dearly for what they have done - payback is one of the foundations of our civilisation if you commit a crime you will be punished - without that promice there truely would be anarchy - so lets hunt the b*astards down and kill them in as grumsome a manner as possible
-
I've been watching these events unfold almost since they began when I got a call from my fiancee at 7am yesterday morning. This is a horrible horrible situation but I have some thoughts about the issue.
The first thing that comes to my mind is going to get me flamed a lot, I'm sure, but in a certain respect this is a situation the United States has brought upon itself. A quick look around the world makes it fairly clear that there aren't that many countries that have problems with foreign terrorists. The three biggest are probably the United States, Britain, and Israel. The Israeli situation is arguably a continuation of a conflict between Jews and non-jews thats been going on in that part of the world for more than two thousand years.
The United States and Britain have these problems for a very different reason, however. For the past hundred years or so it has been a key part of United States foreign policy that we have a right to interfere in the activities and governments of foriegn countries whenever we feel the need to. Sometimes we have good, virtuous reasons for this. Bosnia is an example. Most of the time its because its in our financial interest to do so, and this is the cause of our suffering. The kind of hatred directed at the United States by other countries is not undeserved. We have a reputation for being arrogant, rich, and manipulative, and this too is deserved. During the 70's and 80's this country supported in governments in Latin America that committed crimes practically rivalling Hitler's. My father spent time in Nicuragua and El Salvador and had his luggage confiscated by the CIA because he had proof of things going on there that then-President Reagan had sworn were'nt going on. We have manipulated and bullied foriegn governments all over the world in order to make American businesses more profitable and this is especially true in the Middle East where our greed for cheap oil has driven the activities there that have caused the hatred we know suffer from most of the Islamic world. I find it horribly ironic and hypocritical that a country that was originally founded on principles of universal human rights now feeds itself by trampling on the rights of people in other countries. Britian's activities in Ireland have brought them into the same position.
Please understand, I am not in any fashion attempting to support or condone the actions of terrorists, but it is important to realize that it is our own crimes that have brought their attentions down upon us. You might consider that nowhere else in the world do citizens have to fear skyscrapers being destroyed. We might take this event as a wake-up call that we cannot exercise our muscles in other countries without a price. It was so in Korea, in Vietnam, and even in Bosnia, but now it is a price being paid more and more by civilians, instead of soldiers.
We are paying for our cheap gasoline and Air Jordans with our own blood now, and perhaps it is time to realize that the financial wealth we have built on the exploitation of those less powerful and less fortunate than ourselves is not worth the price we will have to pay.
Another thing to consider is that it is our very nature as americans that makes us so vulnerable to such acts of terrorism. The comments on El-Al's use of armed gaurds on airlines is well noted and was the first thing I thought about when facts about the hijackings began to come out. It boggles my mind that such destruction was achieved by a handful of men and women armed with KNIVES!!!
One armed gaurd, either uniformed or disguised as a passenger, on each of those four planes could have saved thousands and thousands of lives. This was not the case because we don't want to pay an extra twenty or fifty dollars a trip for the protection of a guard.
Despite the mind-boggling destruction that has occured here, we can only pray that it serves as a wake-up call that we ARE vulnerable, we ARE subject to retaliation, not just as a country but individually, for the activities of our government in foriegn countries, and that if we wish to keep these things from happening again there will be a price that we MUST pay. Both the apparent price of protection, and the more ethereal price of changing the way we do business in the world. We do not have greater rights as a nation because we are rich. We do not have greater rights as a nation because we are strong. Our wealth and strength give us RESPONSIBILITY, not priviledge, to help those in need, rather than help ourselves at their expense.
-
I agree with Killmenow. we have to set an example to other future threats - if you dare mess with us, you're going to regret it very dearly.
-
Originally posted by morris13:
It boggles my mind that such destruction was achieved by a handful of men and women armed with KNIVES!!!
Well, anyway, I can hardly believe that. This info comes from a phone call onboard one of the plane, from a frightened woman, I've heard. She just saw a man killed in front of her, and it's more than likely she mistook what she saw and everything. hell, on FOUR planes, you tell me no passenger tried to stop a guy with a knife? when there was dozens of people in the plane? That's bull****. You're ready to be wounded if you know you'll die if you do nothing.
-
Its more than just that. THere were several phone calls from two of the four planes and everybody described knives and box cutters. This has been confirmed in official releases by the government including press conferences by Rumsfeld. I'm sure that part of the reason that nobody tried to overcome the hijackers was because it didn't occur to anybody that they were going to crash the planes.
-
Exactly, I was just about to say that. Generally speaking, highjackers have some ulterior motive, ie flying to Cuba, etc etc. Suicide flights are not exactly common.
-
Originally posted by morris13:
Its more than just that. THere were several phone calls from two of the four planes and everybody described knives and box cutters. This has been confirmed in official releases by the government including press conferences by Rumsfeld. I'm sure that part of the reason that nobody tried to overcome the hijackers was because it didn't occur to anybody that they were going to crash the planes.
ok, there is two, maybe three guys onboard a plane armed with cutters. There's maube 40 passengers. They kill every crew on the plane, and you would do nothing? you would just wait and see what will happen? 40 peoples are way enough to stop 3 guys armed with knives.
-
Then what? You have no one who can fly the plane, people bleeding everywhere, dead bodies.... you're ****** anyhow.
-
Originally posted by Shrike:
Then what? You have no one who can fly the plane, people bleeding everywhere, dead bodies.... you're ****** anyhow.
When they killed the flying crew, the pilot and the copilot were still in the cockpit, according to the news, that's what led them to leave the commands. People would have attmepted something much earlier. I can't believe that on the 4 planes nobody could handle guys armed with knives, that's all. Well, maybe that happened on the 747 abyway, since it missed its target... Bah, anyway, that's talking for nothing...
-
if you look back though the islamic faith has always been militant - there holy writing tell them they must go out and conquer the world to convert the heathen etc - they made it into europe and quite along way into it before the crusaders drove them back - they have always been that way why i dont know perhaps its in there genes that they are fanatical by nature - what ever it is they need to be taught the lessons of the crusades again they need to bedriven back and crushed and perhaps this time we can do ti with suffient force that they enver come back to terrorise the world
-
Originally posted by KillMeNow:
if you look back though the islamic faith has always been militant - there holy writing tell them they must go out and conquer the world to convert the heathen etc - they made it into europe and quite along way into it before the crusaders drove them back - they have always been that way why i dont know perhaps its in there genes that they are fanatical by nature - what ever it is they need to be taught the lessons of the crusades again they need to bedriven back and crushed and perhaps this time we can do ti with suffient force that they enver come back to terrorise the world
You have got to be kidding...
It's like StarWars... the Sith were thought gone, but they never will be.. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
History always repeats itself, unless one is taught the wrongs of their ancestors...
------------------
-Director of the staff of Hidden Terror. ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")
-WebMaster of Imperial Productions ("http://www.jediknightleague.f2s.com/impprod")
The fear always controls our attitude, let us fear no more!
-
KillMeNow you're a bloodthursty barbarian fanatic
-
look i wasn't propsoing anihaliating them - although perhaps the word crushed crusades etc might have given that impression i was just pointing out they have always been trouble for some reason - and what ever the solution is we need it soon - my personal vote would be puppet governments run by western countrys then we can work from withing to civilise them like dc suggests teach them that what there ancestors have done is wrong etc - but i do believe that those who planned it and those that helped adn those that turned a blind eye etc shoudl be punished hard
-
However you must NEVER MAKE GENERALIZATIONS IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS! We're allied to many Islamic countries. Ever heard of Egypt, Saudi Arabia? Our ALLIES? And there's an almost definite chance that a completely INNOCENT MUSLIM was killed in either the WTC, the Pentagon, or one of the planes. I cannot believe your ignorance. If you boil it all down, half of what caused this is ignorance and short sightedness, from both the terrorists and the US in the Cold War. And on the case of generalizations, ever heard of Jimmy Jones? Waco, Texas? Both cases of Christian fanatics. Now don't get me wrong, I'm a Catholic, but every single religion has it's fanatics. Do you get my point?
-
Originally posted by Kazan:
Our mainland has never been successfully hit - the last time we had a foreign army on our mainland was 1812.
Our mainland, our MAINLAND was violated greviously, CIVILIAN targets were hit - we would still be outraged by not to this level if it was a military target
The last time your lands were invaded was during the U.S./Canadian (read British) wars. We burned your white house down and you burned down York (now Toronto). Fair trade I think...
------------------
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on.
-
Originally posted by Kazan:
F*ck you, i wasn't talking about Serbia
now was i? NO
Yes i saw all those people in lebanon, no i would no do the same if half of bagdad was destroyed - unless it was all military targets.
YOU UNCARING PIECE OF SH1T I SHOULD F*CKING HUNT YOUR AS$ DOWN AND PUT YOU IN FRONT OF THE FIRING SQUAD!
That's far from arrogance, we ARE greiving for our losses, but we also know that we MUST retaliate. We have no choice, to do anything less would be to invite another attack.
Close your mouth you ignorant piece of trash
The methods that you used in Iraq where the same that you used in Serbia, except of course that you didn't landed troops in their lands because you were afraid.
YOU HIT CIVILIAN TARGETS TO TERRORISE YOUR OPPONENT'S PEOPLE. THAT QUALIFIES YOU AS ONE OF THE COUNTRIES THAT USE AND SUPPORT TERRRORISM.
Conserning the "uncaring piece of **** " you are very wrong there. How did you think from my post that I don't care about the people that died and their families? I didn't expressed my sorrow because using words are very easy, especially in the Internet.
As for the people in Lebanon, now you understand how they feel, don't you? If your greatest enemy had taken a hit like that wouldn't you celebrate? I don't support terrorism, but I don't either support countries getting involved where they shouldn't. And why didn't you got involved when Cyprus was occupied by Turks?
Do you know that your marines where participating in the war of the Turks against the Kurds that fight for their rights and freedom?
You think that all these muslims hate you for no reason? Hey, I have many reasons to hate you(but I don't, I don't hate anyone), think about the muslims.
And you are young, so you can't know everything.
Take this as a chance to open your eyes and see what your government does outside your borders.
-
Originally posted by Snakeseyes:
YOU HIT CIVILIAN TARGETS TO TERRORISE YOUR OPPONENT'S PEOPLE. THAT QUALIFIES YOU AS ONE OF THE COUNTRIES THAT USE AND SUPPORT TERRRORISM.
We never intentionally hit civilian targets you living piece of trash. If I ever meet you face to face I will terminate your pathetic paranoid conspricy theory-spinning antagonistic piece of trash!
-
Thats the way you modern Americans treat other people. You try to terrorise me using that kind of language so I will stop talking. This is my point.
-
my point is: you're a piece of lying trash.
We never intentionally bombed civilian targets
-
And again you prove my point.
As for the other part, how do you know that? You leaders knew that the Serbs in a war would support their government, even if it was corrupted. So they tried to brake peoples spirit by bombing them. But that didn't worked.
You try to terrorise other people with legitimate means, like an embargo, or using an excuse to bomb their cities.
And something else. You think that you are more civilized than them. You are wrong. You have more advanced technology than they have. Except from that you are just the same.
-
snakeseyes im through responding to you. You're beyond intelligent conversation. You make far too many arrogant over-generalizations about americans.
-
Cool it people
Snakeeyes: Kazan is always like that, one of the more harsh americans... he likes telling people how bad they are and how he wants them to be f*cked... it takes a bit of getting used to. heh.
------------------
-Director of the staff of Hidden Terror. ("http://www.hiddenterror.f2s.com")
-WebMaster of Imperial Productions ("http://www.jediknightleague.f2s.com/impprod")
The fear always controls our attitude, let us fear no more!
-
I don't feel like setting the facts straight yet again, so I will get personal.
I served in the IDF from August '97 to August 2000. I had a friend who lost an eye from an anti-personel mine as we wewre clearing them out of northern Israel. They were there to protect us from Islamic fundamentalists who were brought up in hatred of Israel and the US.
I personally know two of the three soilders who were kidnapped by the Hezbullah on October 7th last year. Adi Avitan and Benny Avraham. If you doubt it I have the pictures to prove it. So you see, I have plenty of reason to hate, hate, hate. But as I walk down a street and pass by an Arab-looking fellow, what do I feel or think? I think: "I wonder if he thinks that I hate him..."
I do not hate Arabs. I do not hate Muslims. I do hate Islam, the religon that has taught so many people that if they blow themselves up and take some Jews along with them, they'll be waited upon in Paradise by dozens of eternal virgins. I hate what they have done, and will do.
I recently finished a stint in the reserves of the IDF, serving at a checkpoint in the "territories". As the people passed in their cars, some Jewish, mostly Arab, and the Arabs passed on donkey-back and on foot, the little children waving "hello" and giggling, I wondered: "Do they hate my guts yet? Would those innocent-looking children spill my blood at the first chance?" And perhaps most distressing of all: "Would I be able to shoot through those children if there was a terrorist using them as human shields, and shooting back at us?"
I pray that I never have to find out, but I expect that I will.
------------------
America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
-
Originally posted by RKIF-DragonClaw:
he likes telling
far from it.. more like i just tend to be somewhat agressive... i've been force to be to survive
-
Don't worry DC, I know Kazan from VBB, although I didn't post too much there.
Kazan, you said that I generalize Americans too much. You do that also (And by saying You I mean the americans). And if you can't find something to oppose what I say don't use excuses like that.
And Sandwich, I understand your opinions about the Islam. I come from Greece, a country that was hurt many times by Muslims. I know, its not the same here as Israel, but I have too many reasons to hate the Turks.
But because I was raised by a family with Orthodox Christian values it isn't in my blood to hate anyone, not even them.
-
As amusing as this is..... closed.