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Title: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Kamikaze on November 17, 2005, 08:47:00 pm
CNN has an Xbox 360 review on their site that claims the launch titles are weak: http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/17/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

Here's a very negative review from the New York Post: http://news.yahoo.com/s/pagesix/20051117/en_pagesix/don39tbuythexbox360

This Slashdot comment is interesting, it's about graphics differences in SDTV/HDTV: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168617&cid=14056662

Anyone else seen any interesting reviews of the 360?
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 17, 2005, 09:26:20 pm
CoD 2 has been averaging a 92 on gamerankings. Gamespot gave it an 8.8, same as the PC version with higher graphics score and lower value score.

Good:
Smooth (constant 60 fps), detailed graphics and great sound; aggressive enemy artificial intelligence; makes you really feel like a small part of a bigger war; varied campaign.

Bad:
Online multiplayer restricted to eight players (not totally true according to IW, that's just what's on the box but it can go higher) ; higher pricepoint than its pc counterpart

Kameo got a 8.7 from Gamespot, 9s across the board except for value. Apparently it's a little easy to burn right through the game.

Good:
Inventive, fun gameplay involves transforming into various cool, kooky creatures; plenty of variety will keep you guessing and entertained; drop-dead gorgeous visuals showcase the power of the xbox 360; beautifully composed orchestral score, as well as tons of amusing sound effects.

Bad:
Disjointed introduction may be frustrating; fairly short game at fewer than 10 hours in length (not everyone plays like you Greg...); two-player cooperative mode isn't very compelling.

GUN got a 6.4 on Gamespot, no surprise seeing as it really doesn't look any better than the current-gen versions, and the game was pretty bad to begin with.

Good:
Terrific voice acting; fun horseback riding; some intense, gory shooting action.

Bad:
Short storyline isn't made up for by shallow side missions; some noticeably undercooked elements of play; some of the violence and profanity feels too gratuitous; visuals don't take advantage of the xbox 360, looking bland and blurry; higher retail price than other versions for no good reason.

THAW got a 6.6, again it didn't get much of an upgrade at all, and the HD resolution only served to highlight all the flaws.

(is it just me, or is Neversoft turning into EA?)

NFS:MW got an 8.4 on all versions, not just the 360.

Good:
Compelling story mode; interesting bmx trick system; game contains a healthy dose of crunk juice; 360 controller's four shoulder buttons are perfect for playing this style of game.

Bad:
Character models and textures look pretty bad in HD resolutions; classic mode contains old levels that aren't exactly classic; graphical glitches further mar the game's visuals; story mode holds your hand every step of the way; costs $10 more than other versions for no good reason.

PGR3 hasn't got a review on Gamespot yet, but 1up gave it a perfect 10 while IGN gave it an 8.8... Interesting.

And there are a lot more to review, like PD0, King Kong (which looks fantastic for a port), and Condemned
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: IceFire on November 17, 2005, 10:27:52 pm
The New York Post article has quite a bit of sense to it.  I think they are saying that, although there is nothing wrong with the console inherently...being an early adopter has its qualms.

I bought the GameCube pretty early on (Christmas present!) and while my brother and I enjoyed our time with it (and still do), it wasn't everything we had hoped it would be.  The X-Box I bought last christmas (a special Crystal X-Box!) is fantastic and I enjoy my time with it (I probably need to try Fable out at some point but I haven't exhausted Halo 2 or Forza yet).  I don't own alot of console games for any of my consoles as my PC is still the primary games machine...but I do enjoy the odd console game and they are great for parties.

My feeling on the next generation of consoles is that I will see what comes and buy one in 3 years or so when the prices have dropped completely like they did for the X-Box.  I got my X-Box and what amounted to 4 games for about $300 Canadian...less than I would have spent being an early adopter.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 12:01:46 am
Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Kamikaze on November 18, 2005, 12:32:12 am
I think the 360's so-so backwards compatibility might hurt it quite a bit. So far it sounds like both the PS3 and Revolution will have superior backwards compatibility with huge libraries of past games. The PS3 will have the past two generations of games and Nintendo claims they'll have all of their past games available (though it's still unclear exactly how or at what price...). It seems the 360 supports less than half of the original Xbox games and it requires an HD (which screws over the core purchasers) for the support.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Night Hammer on November 18, 2005, 12:39:10 am
Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?

Halo was good, but what did the original XBox sell at like 300, i dont think the game was worth that alone. PGR3 looks amazing  but driving sims arent enough to anchor a launch.

PD0 stuff that ive seen looks like ****. Stuff  that could be run on the current XBox

That said ill still prolly get a 360 whenever the price starts to drop
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 02:37:44 am
Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?
PD0 stuff that ive seen looks like ****. Stuff that could be run on the current XBox

Hell no, forget the "official screens." They look like dog poo compared to the vids and unofficial screens.

http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_2009_en.html (co-op first level, [preview build, not complete])

BTW, I got my Xbox for $180 w/ extra controller and Halo. Pawn shops rule!

Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: vyper on November 18, 2005, 02:56:30 am
Looks how Source does on on a worthy machine. Mostly.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 03:02:25 am
The following are images from a beta build on a standard TV:

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023451_5_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023452_7_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023456_24_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023656_0_big.jpg)
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: delta_7890 on November 18, 2005, 12:20:34 pm
Deepblue, what a surprise!
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Night Hammer on November 18, 2005, 03:03:42 pm
The following are images from a beta build on a standard TV:

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023451_5_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023452_7_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023456_24_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023656_0_big.jpg)




Honestly that doesnt looks that much different/or better than Far Cry(which I love)
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 05:27:24 pm
The following are images from a beta build on a standard TV:

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023451_5_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023452_7_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023456_24_big.jpg)

(http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320051116_023656_0_big.jpg)




Honestly that doesnt looks that much different/or better than Far Cry(which I love)
It doesn't look that much different, but it does look better. What you can't see in screens are the fantastic lighting effects (imagine DOOM3 shadows without all the inky black) they have in the game, as well as the amazing texture work. I'll leave it at that, but the point is that the game as it currently stands is most definitely not possible on the original Xbox.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 05:30:05 pm
Deepblue, what a surprise!

It shouldn't be if you read the thread title.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 05:38:13 pm
PDZ impressions from 1up...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3145794

Could someone quote it here? For some reason 1up pages always fail to load.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: IceFire on November 18, 2005, 05:41:22 pm
Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?
I have Halo 2...is it worth it to try and grab a copy of Halo around somewhere?  I just might find it used or something like that...

PD Zero, if its anything close to the original, will be a very good and very nicely fine tuned first person shooter with style and class all on its own.  None of Rare's FPS games were ever ground breaking...but they made up for it in style, refinement, and playability (they are in a class that approaches Blizzard in my book).  Hopefully their latest offering is just as good.

Are they still known as Rare?
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 05:45:05 pm
Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?
I have Halo 2...is it worth it to try and grab a copy of Halo around somewhere? I just might find it used or something like that...

PD Zero, if its anything close to the original, will be a very good and very nicely fine tuned first person shooter with style and class all on its own. None of Rare's FPS games were ever ground breaking...but they made up for it in style, refinement, and playability (they are in a class that approaches Blizzard in my book). Hopefully their latest offering is just as good.

Are they still known as Rare?

You can get Halo fairly cheap these days. And yes, it is totally worth it. The game is dated, but I still play it to this day. I personally think it has a better SP than Halo 2, even with some repetitive and monotonous levels. It's especially a blast on co-op though.

Yeah, they're still Rare.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 05:55:50 pm
PDZ impressions from 1up...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3145794

Could someone quote it here? For some reason 1up pages always fail to load.

*bump* :D
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: WeatherOp on November 18, 2005, 06:54:56 pm
More than likely this is more of a lag. Kind of like the PS2 went thru when it first came out. The only real downside to launching first.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on November 18, 2005, 07:21:16 pm
90% of the Reason the PS3 Will be better than the Xbox 360, IMO:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=41710348603061453&q=FF7
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: WeatherOp on November 18, 2005, 07:23:20 pm
90% of the Reason the PS3 Will be better than the Xbox 360, IMO:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=41710348603061453&q=FF7

Wow, Splinter cell 3 looks that good. :p
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on November 18, 2005, 07:28:46 pm
What's that? I'm going to assume you meant that SC3 will look as graphically good on the XB360, as my brain just can't process the possibility that you don't recognize what the clip is of, in which case I must say: it's the content that endears me to it, more than the graphics.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Unknown Target on November 18, 2005, 08:44:51 pm
The only reason Xbox exists is for Halo. I like the PS2 more because it has a giant collection of games - you go to someone who owns an Xbox, you ask what games they own, they almost always say Halo first. I doubt Xbox360 will have anything notable besides Halo 3 (4?)
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 18, 2005, 10:12:50 pm
Gears of War
Mass Effect
Too Human
Forza Motorsport 2

It's definitely not just Halo. That's just a fanboyish assumption. Halo got things started, but it isn't everything.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Night Hammer on November 18, 2005, 10:35:13 pm
I think hes talking about the games that are already out


and those games look great, but noone has played em so for all you know they could ****
(hope not)
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: IceFire on November 18, 2005, 11:05:26 pm
Well Halo is a draw (Halo 2 in my case), but Forza Motorsport and Fable are two other great X-Box games that I enjoy quite a bit.

Anyone play any of the Rainbow Six offerings?
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 19, 2005, 01:19:56 am
Rainbo
Well Halo is a draw (Halo 2 in my case), but Forza Motorsport and Fable are two other great X-Box games that I enjoy quite a bit.

Anyone play any of the Rainbow Six offerings?
Yeah.  Rainbow Six is still an incredibly fun game on Live, though Halo 2 usurped its position as number 1.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: aldo_14 on November 21, 2005, 05:37:55 am
I'm shocked how poorly advertised the Xbox360 has been (in the UK).  You literally would not know it was due for release; I've not seen any TV or print adverts, no sponsorships (ad boards at football matches, or on TV shows, for example), etc.  I can only guess it's being underhyped because the rumours of big shortages are true.

I did see a single demo machine in a Virgin megastore (which looked new) showing Call of duty 2, which looked crisp but not especially better than the medium-settings PC demo I've been playing (oddly, because it bloody well should).  The guy playing it seemed to have a little trouble aiming accurately with the joypad, although that could be down to unfamiliarity (or dodgy controls) rather than any problems with the pad.  But at the moment it looks like they badly need a killer app for it, and that they maybe rushed it to market far too early.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Fineus on November 21, 2005, 08:59:42 am
I second aldo_14 on that. Granted I'm not looking into buying any other console system any time soon but I will say that I've not seen anything either. If I didn't take the time to research it on the net - I wouldn't know it was coming out.

A very suprising move, considering the proximity of Christmas.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Flipside on November 21, 2005, 09:04:55 am
You can play the prettiest FPS of all time, with almost true-to-life graphics and physics effects, with Metanurb water behaviour, with 20,000 poly shader-based models etc etc, and it will still be a game where you run around putting an X over your enemy and pressing fire.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Galemp on November 21, 2005, 10:29:12 am
Which is why the FPS genre is starting to die...
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: BlackDove on November 21, 2005, 11:17:22 am
In essence PS3 will have turned out to be worth the wait and moreover - a way better buisness decision if all of the premonitions such as that of aldo's are true.

By the way, does XBox 360 use Blu-Ray? If it doesn't then it's pretty clear which console will have better capacity for grandeur.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Grey Wolf on November 21, 2005, 01:19:42 pm
The Xbox 360 uses standard DVDs, not Blu-Ray, so the PS3 has the advantage of storage capacity.

Actually, the news that the picture is no better than the current generation on standard TVs is tempting me to go and get a used PS2.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 03:48:42 am
PDZ got a 9.0 at Gamespot. 9.0 in every category across the board.

Either way, Gamespot is setting next-gen standards very high.

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In essence PS3 will have turned out to be worth the wait and moreover - a way better buisness decision if all of the premonitions such as that of aldo's are true.

By the way, does XBox 360 use Blu-Ray? If it doesn't then it's pretty clear which console will have better capacity for grandeur.

It's not worth the wait when performance wise it is still about even. Especially since when the PS3 releases, the Xbox 360 will drop in price and have some damn awesome second-gen games which actually start to use the hardware effectively. Blu-ray is bound to fail IMHO because I don't think people are willing to pony up for such a tiny difference in quality.

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Actually, the news that the picture is no better than the current generation on standard TVs is tempting me to go and get a used PS2.
This depends entirely on the game. Things like GUN and THAW will look no better because the devs invested no effort in making them look better.

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I did see a single demo machine in a Virgin megastore (which looked new) showing Call of duty 2, which looked crisp but not especially better than the medium-settings PC demo I've been playing (oddly, because it bloody well should).
Demo =/= final game. The final version runs at a constant 60 fps and pushes more particles and has slightly higher res textures than the PC version at max settings. The X360 version of Quake 4, on the other hand, is an abomination. The hardware is there, but the devs did a very poor port-job leaving it with worse graphics and worse framerates.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 04:08:19 am
While Greg K. thinks the plot is really tacked on and silly (a shame seeing as the first PD had a great plot), he loves the shooting action.
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Taken as a whole, Perfect Dark Zero is decidedly one of the best, fully featured Xbox 360 games so far, and it's a compelling reason to spring for the system if you've been on the fence. While the game doesn't reinvent the first-person shooter, which has been a mainstay of action gaming for more than a decade, it delivers one of the most highly refined and spectacular examples of this brand of gameplay to date. From its ravishing good looks and totally first-rate audio, to the believable feel of its outstanding weapons, to its wealth of single- and multiplayer options, Perfect Dark Zero delivers just about everything you could hope for from a first-person shooter.
(http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/324/reviews/516508_20051121_screen023.jpg)
(http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/324/reviews/516508_20051121_screen004.jpg)
(http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/324/reviews/516508_20051121_screen002.jpg)
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: aldo_14 on November 22, 2005, 11:57:36 am
PGR3 review, Eurogamer (http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61842); 8/10
Kameo, Eurogamer (http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61759); 5/10
Snapshot (tongue in cheek) reviews from a freelance games journalist; http://invisionfree.com/forums/worldofstuart/index.php?s=aa2cde27c7a63d67a23199dc97fcb006&showtopic=1967

(Sorry, no flashy pics from me.)

Strangely, every preview I've read of PDZ described it as really awful.  Including a teletext one tha tdescribed it as being somewhat shambolic.

Um, on the side.  I can't help if the COD2 demo looked a wee bit underwhelming, because it did.  Maybe it'll look a bit better on release, but I've not heard too different from reviews / opinions from netural sources as of yet.  All I can say is the demo does not look very impressive (well, the TV looked nice) vis-a-vis a decent Pc, and they kind of need to sort that if they want it to be a good advert.

Blu-ray will probably succeed, because it has the support of a number of major movie companies.  The PS3s' role as a sort of Blu-ray trojan horse could be a vital angle for it; I'd imagine that's why MS have been purporting an HD-DVD 360 at some point.  Although I'd say neither will be worth a punt until 2007 (assuming all consoles are out by summer 2006), by which time prices will be more sensible and games more widely available. 

 I think it's very telling that the majority of UK retailer advertising has been for the PS2 and Xbox, rather than the 360; it doesn't have the games yet (and if you buy it at release to wait for them, then you're a total idiot, because it'll be down in price in a few months time and you'd just have pissed away a few tenners+).  It's also interesting how the 360 is being slightly hampered by cross-platform development, with games like Gun and King Kong being codeveloped for the lowly PS2.  That could hamstring the 360 for quite some time, I think; the PS2 is still the best selling console (at least in the UK; IIRC it was outselling the Xbox by 4 to 1 in the last figures), and developers will need to keep working on that for purely financial reasons.

Although, as it stands, I've not seen any interesting game for [/i]any[/i] console as of yet.  I'm truly sick of the generic FPS-Racing game duo that dominate releases nowadays.  I'm not sure I could stand to shoot another colour-coded enemy.......
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Night Hammer on November 22, 2005, 01:31:29 pm
Taken as a whole, Perfect Dark Zero is decidedly one of the best, fully featured Xbox 360 games so far

congrats on getting a quote that means nothing, it may be one of the best out of what 4, 5 games out? woo****inhoo



i think the only game that id pay full price for is Condemned or wahtever its called
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 05:24:40 pm
Taken as a whole, Perfect Dark Zero is decidedly one of the best, fully featured Xbox 360 games so far

congrats on getting a quote that means nothing, it may be one of the best out of what 4, 5 games out? woo****inhoo



i think the only game that id pay full price for is Condemned or wahtever its called
Keep in mind that PDZ was reviewed by Greg bloody Kasavin.
PGR3 review, Eurogamer (http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61842); 8/10
Kameo, Eurogamer (http://eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61759); 5/10
Snapshot (tongue in cheek) reviews from a freelance games journalist; http://invisionfree.com/forums/worldofstuart/index.php?s=aa2cde27c7a63d67a23199dc97fcb006&showtopic=1967

(Sorry, no flashy pics from me.)

Strangely, every preview I've read of PDZ described it as really awful. Including a teletext one tha tdescribed it as being somewhat shambolic.

Um, on the side. I can't help if the COD2 demo looked a wee bit underwhelming, because it did. Maybe it'll look a bit better on release, but I've not heard too different from reviews / opinions from netural sources as of yet. All I can say is the demo does not look very impressive (well, the TV looked nice) vis-a-vis a decent Pc, and they kind of need to sort that if they want it to be a good advert.

Blu-ray will probably succeed, because it has the support of a number of major movie companies. The PS3s' role as a sort of Blu-ray trojan horse could be a vital angle for it; I'd imagine that's why MS have been purporting an HD-DVD 360 at some point. Although I'd say neither will be worth a punt until 2007 (assuming all consoles are out by summer 2006), by which time prices will be more sensible and games more widely available.

 I think it's very telling that the majority of UK retailer advertising has been for the PS2 and Xbox, rather than the 360; it doesn't have the games yet (and if you buy it at release to wait for them, then you're a total idiot, because it'll be down in price in a few months time and you'd just have pissed away a few tenners+). It's also interesting how the 360 is being slightly hampered by cross-platform development, with games like Gun and King Kong being codeveloped for the lowly PS2. That could hamstring the 360 for quite some time, I think; the PS2 is still the best selling console (at least in the UK; IIRC it was outselling the Xbox by 4 to 1 in the last figures), and developers will need to keep working on that for purely financial reasons.

Although, as it stands, I've not seen any interesting game for [/i]any[/i] console as of yet. I'm truly sick of the generic FPS-Racing game duo that dominate releases nowadays. I'm not sure I could stand to shoot another colour-coded enemy.......

http://www.totalgames.net/pma/22283

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The first thing to note is that even when the console game is running side by side with a top of the range PC version, outputting in as high-resolution as it can muster, the 360 version has the edge visually. Perhaps this will change as graphics cards evolve, but for now, the console game runs more smoothly, has far quicker load times, and looks generally better than its poor home computer cousin. This means that visually, Call of Duty 2 is absolutely jaw dropping, especially when it's played on a high definition Widescreen TV.

And the game ports come down to developers. Sure you have things like GUN and THAW, but you also have King Kong, which looks damned amazing on the 360 compared to the standard PC/xbox/ps2 versions. And I don't have flashy pictures to back it up because the Photobucket account exceeded bandwidth. But the difference was massive.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 05:36:22 pm
Taken as a whole, Perfect Dark Zero is decidedly one of the best, fully featured Xbox 360 games so far

congrats on getting a quote that means nothing, it may be one of the best out of what 4, 5 games out? woo****inhoo



i think the only game that id pay full price for is Condemned or wahtever its called
If you watch the video review, Greg K. calls it one of the best FPSs of the year.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: IceFire on November 22, 2005, 05:39:22 pm
And the game ports come down to developers. Sure you have things like GUN and THAW, but you also have King Kong, which looks damned amazing on the 360 compared to the standard PC/xbox/ps2 versions. And I don't have flashy pictures to back it up because the Photobucket account exceeded bandwidth. But the difference was massive.

From what I understand, X-Box 360 and PS3 will have a lead time on graphics and physics for the next 6 or so months while the PC world then catches up.  By this time next year dual core will be standard and DX10, Windows Vista, and OpenGL 2.0 should be available or nearly ready.  While all of those are just far flung ideas right now...we'll see if they ultimately turn into technical boons or boondoggles.  Vista could be MS's best OS yet...or its worst.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: CP5670 on November 22, 2005, 06:24:48 pm
Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Game-Console-xbox360-FREE-Shipping_W0QQitemZ8236087943QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-PREMIUM-PKG_W0QQitemZ8236097977QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Wow.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 06:43:23 pm
Holy crap. For a core system too...

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Unfortunately, you didn't get the xbox 360 this morning.  Very few people did.  I am one of the lucky ones that got it and rather than play with it, I would rather let someone who really wants it buy it.I would rather make $1,725 worth of profit
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: vyper on November 22, 2005, 06:48:13 pm
It's called free enterprise *****, get over it ;)
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Dough with Fish on November 22, 2005, 08:16:17 pm
Man, Deepblue, you really need to learn that graphics a good game do not make. So what COD2 looks better on the 360, dosen't mean I'm going to shell out 400 bucks to play a game that runs at a higher FPS than the human eye can tell, and for a bit more shiney.. Whoo freaking hooo, and MS also needs to get some more prolific exclusives, and I don't mean games that are also on PC (like COD2 and such).

 Sony has so much in way of this, everything from Final Fantasy to the God of War sequel to the next Team Ico game to Gran Turismo to Devil May Cry to Metal Gear to, well, everything that really makes the consoles, the games, in it's corner. Yeah, MS has Gears of War, and that new BioWare game in the pipeline, but they really need to get more in their corner if they hope to battle Sony and Nintendo exclusives, and I don't think that MS will ever be able to match those two in that catagory.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Kamikaze on November 22, 2005, 08:49:29 pm
Even worse: http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-360-PLATINUM-Package-W-Bonus_W0QQitemZ8235999391QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I think MS's shortage plan might backfire...
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Night Hammer on November 22, 2005, 09:04:58 pm
whats wrong with these people, cant just wait a couple weeks get one for normal price....geez :lol:


Dough with Fish, theres a God of War sequel in the works already?(one of the greatest games for PS2)
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Dough with Fish on November 22, 2005, 09:23:56 pm
Dough with Fish, theres a God of War sequel in the works already?(one of the greatest games for PS2)

Well, it ihasn't been announced that one is in the works, but the team that did it is working on a game for the PS3, and with the succes of GoW, well, you put two and two together...
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 10:44:59 pm
Whoo freaking hooo, and MS also needs to get some more prolific exclusives, and I don't mean games that are also on PC (like COD2 and such).

Must I reiterate?

Halo 3 (Bungie)
Banjo Threeie (Rare)
Gears of War (Epic)
Mass Effect Trilogy (Bioware FTW!)
Too Human Trilogy (Silicone Knights)
Forza Motorsport 2  (Microsoft Game Studios)
Ninja Gaiden 2 (Team Ninja)
[eM] Enchant Arm (From Software)
Chrome Hounds (From Software)
etc.

A whole slew of awesome exclusives.

I fail to see your point.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Ransom on November 22, 2005, 10:51:54 pm
Banjo Threeie (Rare)
Banjo Tooie was a shocking game, possibly one of the worst sequels I've ever come across considering how good the first was. After that I wouldn't touch another Banjo game with a ten foot pole.

Quote
Gears of War (Epic)
I'm fairly sure that's been confirmed for PC as well.

The rest of the games don't interest me so yeah.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Night Hammer on November 22, 2005, 11:22:47 pm
Whoo freaking hooo, and MS also needs to get some more prolific exclusives, and I don't mean games that are also on PC (like COD2 and such).

Must I reiterate?

Halo 3 (Bungie)
Banjo Threeie (Rare)
Gears of War (Epic)
Mass Effect Trilogy (Bioware FTW!)
Too Human Trilogy (Silicone Knights)
Forza Motorsport 2 (Microsoft Game Studios)
Ninja Gaiden 2 (Team Ninja)
[eM] Enchant Arm (From Software)
Chrome Hounds (From Software)
etc.

A whole slew of awesome exclusives.

I fail to see your point.

but how many of those are proven titles, 3 , maybe 4

if those games blow then what DB?


like has been said already in this topic "graphics alone a good game do not make"
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 11:30:47 pm
Banjo Threeie (Rare)
Banjo Tooie was a shocking game, possibly one of the worst sequels I've ever come across considering how good the first was. After that I wouldn't touch another Banjo game with a ten foot pole.

Quote
Gears of War (Epic)
I'm fairly sure that's been confirmed for PC as well.

The rest of the games don't interest me so yeah.
Nope. GoW is confirmed exclusive by Cliffy B. and Mark Rein.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 11:34:27 pm
Whoo freaking hooo, and MS also needs to get some more prolific exclusives, and I don't mean games that are also on PC (like COD2 and such).

Must I reiterate?

Halo 3 (Bungie)
Banjo Threeie (Rare)
Gears of War (Epic)
Mass Effect Trilogy (Bioware FTW!)
Too Human Trilogy (Silicone Knights)
Forza Motorsport 2 (Microsoft Game Studios)
Ninja Gaiden 2 (Team Ninja)
[eM] Enchant Arm (From Software)
Chrome Hounds (From Software)
etc.

A whole slew of awesome exclusives.

I fail to see your point.

but how many of those are proven titles, 3 , maybe 4

if those games blow then what DB?


like has been said already in this topic "graphics alone a good game do not make"

Halo 3 (Bungie) proven
Banjo Threeie (Rare)
Gears of War (Epic) proven
Mass Effect Trilogy (Bioware FTW!) proven
Too Human Trilogy (Silicone Knights) proven
Forza Motorsport 2 (Microsoft Game Studios) proven
Ninja Gaiden 2 (Team Ninja) proven
[eM] Enchant Arm (From Software)
Chrome Hounds (From Software)

These games will NOT suck.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: FireCrack on November 22, 2005, 11:35:56 pm
^Yeah, wich is one of the reasons drawing me towards the 360...
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 22, 2005, 11:40:51 pm
^Yeah, wich is one of the reasons drawing me towards the 360...

My biggest draw (other than Halo 3 of course) is XBL. It plain rocks, and the pricing is reasonable. Sure PC games are free online for the most part, but the experience on XBL is just better.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Night Hammer on November 22, 2005, 11:42:33 pm

Halo 3 (Bungie) proven i agree
Banjo Threeie (Rare)last one was ****, first one was marginal
Gears of War (Epic) proven really so youve played it, gone through the story and messed with the controls?
Mass Effect Trilogy (Bioware FTW!) proven ditto
Too Human Trilogy (Silicone Knights) proven ditto
Forza Motorsport 2 (Microsoft Game Studios) proven i agree I cant wait for this game
Ninja Gaiden 2 (Team Ninja) proven I agree
[eM] Enchant Arm (From Software)
Chrome Hounds (From Software)

These games will NOT suck. I hope so, so you dont look like a foolish fanboi on here


ill give you that for the most part they look great :nod:
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: FireCrack on November 22, 2005, 11:44:08 pm
Py proven, he means proven to be xbox 360 exclusive..
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Night Hammer on November 22, 2005, 11:44:54 pm
No I think he knew what I was talking about

I know most of those are 360 exclusive
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: FireCrack on November 23, 2005, 12:39:16 am
Ok, whatever, 'cause you sure lost me...
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 23, 2005, 07:29:35 am
No I think he knew what I was talking about

I know most of those are 360 exclusive

By proven, I mean being created by AAA developers and likely to be AAA themselves. And all of those are exclusive.

And I'm not worried about Gears. Some lucky individuals got to go hands on at the X360 launch event and they absolutely loved it. These games are not just looks (but they'll have that anyway).
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Kamikaze on November 23, 2005, 09:04:30 am
Interesting article on Slashdot today. Apparently there've been reports of the Xbox 360 being unstable.

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/23/138200&tid=128&tid=211&tid=10
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Col. Fishguts on November 23, 2005, 10:29:24 am
A crash on a console ?!? Only Microsoft would ship such a thing.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: aldo_14 on November 23, 2005, 01:37:39 pm
I've heard of some crashes on emulated games (on the 360), but on new ones?  Tres bizarre.

EDIT; actually, I have the odd lockup on my - aging - PS2, and I know the original Xbox had the fabled green screen o' death, but it's the first time I've heard of it on a brand new console.  Of course, to be fair, previous launches possibly haven't had the same degree of internet attention.
Title: Re: CNN and others on Xbox 360 Launch
Post by: Deepblue on November 23, 2005, 03:54:51 pm
This isn't unusual at all.

The vocal minority have problems, but the majority has reported perfectly functional machines. Some defects are no surprise at launch, however, which is why waiting pays off (that and price).