Hard Light Productions Forums
Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fury on November 26, 2005, 05:06:56 pm
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We are currently preparing to move to another server, this means there will be another downtime coming up. If there are no problems and the move will require only minimal changes, HLP should be open in two days after it has been closed. Domain name (hard-light.net) will not change.
After we have completed moving all files and databases to the new server as well as tested that everything is functional, Sandwich will change hard-light.net to direct to our new server instead of our current server. It will usually take 48 hours for a new DNS take take effect, but the actual time varies between internet service providers, some will get the new DNS sooner or later than others.
If we encounter problems and the move cannot be completed for some reason, nothing will change and HLP will return as you left it. In this case the only loss has been the downtime.
We are advising hosted projects not to update their ftp contents at this time. We rather not disable hosted project ftp accounts, because we would have to assign new passwords for each account, which we would like to avoid in a case the move cannot be completed.
We apologize for any inconvenience the upcoming downtime may cause.
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:wtf:
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so what was wrong with the first move?
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"Pack up your baggs kids, were movein again."
"not again daddy!"
"yeah, third one this week!"
"Godam IRS"
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so what was wrong with the first move?
Server-side problems, you must have noticed the frequent database problems and slow loading times.
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Now if you'd admined me back when I first asked.....
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I guess I have to go back to AT for a while. :p At least there are good flamewars over there. :D
When exactly will the site be going down?
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*pimp*
http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/forum
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Well lets just hope that there are no more problems after this.
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Just a word of caution, do not use same passwords in the penguinbomb forums as you use here. Just in a case. :p
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When exactly will the site be going down?
When you least expect it, most likely... :p
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Just a word of caution, do not use same passwords in the penguinbomb forums as you use here. Just in a case. :p
That's not funny.
And that dutch **** still has yet to apologise for his scaremongering...
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HLP... constantly fresh ;)
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At least you're taking it down around the time of my finals. Pretty good timing! Cept this place is a good place to go to get a distraction from studying. Oh well. At least we're moving forward, away from the 1-5 minute lag after posting a message and such. I hope search comes back too cause I've needed it quite a bit.
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SCP folks should use the SCP forums in the interim.
Will this new host have enough bandwidth etc?
Not to be rude, but I assume this time you measured what you were using and what you need, right?
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that WOULD be funnier if you didn't ruin it somehow. :p
but seriously, this server is fine.
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We are advising hosted projects not to update their ftp contents at this time. We rather not disable hosted project ftp accounts, because we would have to assign new passwords for each account, which we would like to avoid in a case the move cannot be completed.
Not a big problem, since none of the projects I'm on actually posted FTP login information. :doubt:
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No. It's not.
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that WOULD be funnier if you didn't ruin it somehow. :p
but seriously, this server is fine.
You think its good and fine that it takes nearly a minute for me to make a post? :P
hardly
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Now if you'd admined me back when I first asked.....
...this would have happened. (http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30805&postcount=57) :p
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That was taken out of context....
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Just a word of caution, do not use same passwords in the penguinbomb forums as you use here. Just in a case. :p
the case of you being an inflammatory idiot ever since you got your administrative promotion?
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Just a word of caution, do not use same passwords in the penguinbomb forums as you use here. Just in a case. :p
the case of you being an inflammatory idiot ever since you got your administrative promotion?
:wtf: Where did that come from?
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holy sheet. 6 people posted when i replied to charismatic's post. :nervous:
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Firstly, for the love of God lads we should've stress tested her a bit more methinks.
Secondly, Fury if you're being funny about the passwords thing then fine. Otherwise you should state something clarifying that there has never been any proof an0n scalped anyone's pass. He can be a cock when he wants to be, but doesn't deserve slander where none is due.
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Shouldn't this be frontpaged?
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So is this going to lead to one or more weeks of downtime? :p
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great, and i've just gotten used to the piles of boxes around us
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Oy. Looks like we're back. That took a bit longer than expected. ;)
Maybe we'll write a book on the ordeal. Kudos to Mr. Fury and Maeg for their immense efforts at getting us back up and running on this NEW new server. More details to follow...
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Sorry for being late. We had single problem that delayed us by a week. Sorry about that.
We might still need to sort out any internal path conflicts and permissions, so don't worry if something is not working today. Report any problems you might encounter starting tomorrow. Thanks, and good to be finally back. :)
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Nice to have you back. I missed you. ;-)
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Just a word of caution, do not use same passwords in the penguinbomb forums as you use here. Just in a case. :p
That's not funny.
And that dutch **** still has yet to apologise for his scaremongering...
Sod off. We both know you were building a password reader a while back, and I know somehow changing the registration forms of a forum to email you the password is a piece of piss. Hell, if you're bored enough you can crack an MD5 hash too, if you really want too. I'm not saying you actually use the damn thing, but I do know you have it or it's 5 minutes work to make one. It's a good piece of advice to use different passwords on every site you visit, trusted or not.
EDIT:
Anyway, good to know you guys are back up.
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FYI, we'll be running a short database error check in 30-45 mins to ensure integrity of the imported databases. This takes approximately 10 mins.
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Woo, fixed! (kind of) Welcome back. :)
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Cute.
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Woo, fixed! (kind of) Welcome back. :)
haha, "Flamb?"
Also... hopefully the HLP colour scheme will return to all forums, and not just this one.
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I was just about to ask if the blue-and-white "Simple Machines Forums" thing happened to anyone else, but I'm guessing Raa's post means that it did.
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This is the only forum that displays correctly for me.
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I was just about to ask if the blue-and-white "Simple Machines Forums" thing happened to anyone else, but I'm guessing Raa's post means that it did.
That was me resetting global forum theme defaults since Raa was complaining about that. I haven't encountered the particular issue myself.
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I think all that downtime was worth it. The forums are much faster and more responsive than before, almost as good as they used to be on the gamespy server. :)
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Welcome back :) Glad to see you got things sorted :D
Forums seem to be running a lot better, I'm assuming the wait was because you had to find a third option and were waiting for accounts etc to be set up? Just a guess.
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I think all that downtime was worth it. The forums are much faster and more responsive than before, almost as good as they used to be on the gamespy server. :)
Seriously? The site's slow as hell now for me.
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Perhaps I spoke too soon. :p It has slowed down quite remarkably since I last came here 45 minutes ago. Maybe it was going fast earlier due to low activity, as most people probably don't yet know that the place is back up.
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Our current server is located in London, last one was located somewhere in USA.
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That should only matter somewhere around 300ms for the entire page. Right now, I'm seeing stuff load very slow, with seperate posts showing up one pr two at a time.
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Just a word of caution, do not use same passwords in the penguinbomb forums as you use here. Just in a case. :p
the case of you being an inflammatory idiot ever since you got your administrative promotion?
oooooooh BURN!
Ahem.
Anyway, good to have the place back.
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Just a word of caution, do not use same passwords in the penguinbomb forums as you use here. Just in a case. :p
the case of you being an inflammatory idiot ever since you got your administrative promotion?
oooooooh BURN!
Ahem.
Anyway, good to have the place back.
glad to see you haven't acquired more brain cells during the downtime... :)
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The feeling is mutual.
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Finally it's back! The speed seems okay to me.
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Our current server is located in London, last one was located somewhere in USA.
London, you say?
Hmmm......
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Don't hmm about that one son, you're likely to get shot like a Brazilian if you had any kind of server destroying device found on you.
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Slow as hell for me too. But that might be my 56k taking.
My god that was a long ass time. What took you guys so long to get the lights back on. Just imagine being on a Arcadia station, and the power goes out, sitting in ur small room in the dark for days. Thats what this feels like to me.
*Busts out the flamethrower under seat with no fuel in it* Time to search the ship for Shivans or other intruders; if any snuck on while the lights were out!
*Starts search*
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Dangit, you guys scared me when you went down briefly around 12. Don't DO that.
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We're still having various issues, but we hope to be able to resolve them without having to move again. ;)
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We're still having various issues, but we hope to be able to resolve them without having to move again. ;)
No moving is necessary. All issues we might have at the moment, or will have, will be resolvable. Unlike with the last server where we couldn't do anything. This is our playground. ;7
We just got everything into working condition, now it is only a matter of hunting down problems and fixing one problem at a time. Its good to have 3250 beta testers. :D
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haha, "Flamb?"
I think I like that better, actually... :D
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All issues we might have at the moment, or will have, will be resolvable.... This is our playground. ;7
Listen to him. He speaks Truth. :yes: :cool:
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All issues we might have at the moment, or will have, will be resolvable.... This is our playground. ;7
Listen to him. He speaks Truth. :yes: :cool:
Which may mean more downtime as we play with the server. Still... :p
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Since a few of you have complained that the forums are pretty slow, I have tweaked apache a bit (hence the 5 min downtime a moment ago). Is there a change for better or worse or still the same?
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A little better perhaps, but there's still noticable lag in loading a page. Not 100% sure why, though; it may just be an issue with this board software.
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SMF is much less efficient than vBulletin so that may be why. Although I'm fairly sure it was at least a bit faster than this before the second move.
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lighttpd...
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Although I'm fairly sure it was at least a bit faster than this before the second move.
That's funny because I'm sure HLP is now faster than ever for me, including the old vB forums at Gamespy.
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I'm not having any real problems, even at it's worst I only had to wait one or two seconds for the page to load, certainly not worth worrying about at least :)
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Takes about one or two seconds to load each post for me.
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Like I mentioned in Hosted Sites Support Forum, I am not going to do any more server-side tweaking until we're running SMF 1.1. However, those who are experiencing forum slowness, I would like to get ping statistics from you.
As there's probably always one who doesn't know how to do this, here's guide for Windows.
1. Open Start > Run.
2. Type: "cmd" or "command" and click ok.
2. In command prompt, type: "ping 85.8.136.169" without quotation marks, and hit enter.
3. Click command prompt window with secondary mouse button, select mark.
4. Paint ping information area while holding down your primary mouse button, then release and click the painted area with secondary mouse button.
5. Paste copied text to forum post. Use quotes please. Example below.
6. Also mention where you are from; country and state (where applicable). You don't need to say what city you're from, but it could help if we need to approach our host with this information.
Pinging 85.8.136.169 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=51
Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 43ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 43ms
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64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=31.3 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=31.0 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=30.9 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=30.3 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=5 ttl=50 time=30.6 ms
From our pretty fast connection at our uni (Zurich, Switzerland)
Although pages load post after post, which is a tad slower than it was HLP 2.0
But it's comfortable now.
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Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=58
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=58
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=58
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=58
Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 32ms, Maximum = 33ms, Average = 32ms
UK, Glasgow. On a 1Mbps connection (although my provider wanadoo claims this is impossible and I'm at 512, I can show you screen dumps of my router running at 1152kbps).
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Pinging 85.8.136.169 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=333ms TTL=45
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=310ms TTL=45
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=342ms TTL=42
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=310ms TTL=45
Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 310ms, Maximum = 342ms, Average = 323ms
From Sydney, Australia. Supposedly up to 10Mbps.
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Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=106ms TTL=50
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=117ms TTL=50
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=50
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=50
from a T1?
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20ms, Cable, Holland.
Generally I've got a better ping to London than to Amsterdam, though. Odd, eh?
And the pages are rather slow, it seems more of a bandwidth then a pingtime thing. Make a PHP page that outputs 1MB of ****, and a bit of HTML forwarding you without wait to another page. Make sure page 1 tacks on the timestamp it started running with the link to page 2. Then let page 2 do $Loading=$_REQUEST['Time']-time(); echo($Loading).
Let a few people do that, and compare results.
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Pinging 85.8.136.169 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=126
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=126
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=126
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=89ms TTL=126
Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 78ms, Maximum = 89ms, Average = 81ms
This is from work in Arlington, VA. Apartment is even slower.
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Pinging 85.8.136.169 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=86ms TTL=52
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=88ms TTL=52
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=87ms TTL=52
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=86ms TTL=52
Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 86ms, Maximum = 88ms, Average = 86ms
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Looks like those who have been complaining about poor forum performance, also have high pings when pinging the server. So it has nothing to do with the forums or apache. Most likely explanation is that there is a bottleneck, or several somewhere between the high pingers and the server.
Stealth: you did not say where you live.
Goober: where the heck is Arlington, VA?
Hippo: you did not say where you live either.
As for bandwidth, the server's connected to a gigabit backbone from tier 1 providers, so I very much doubt bandwidth is an issue here.
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Georgetown MA (north 'o boston)
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Looks like those who have been complaining about poor forum performance, also have high pings when pinging the server. So it has nothing to do with the forums or apache. Most likely explanation is that there is a bottleneck, or several somewhere between the high pingers and the server.
Stealth: you did not say where you live.
Goober: where the heck is Arlington, VA?
Hippo: you did not say where you live either.
As for bandwidth, the server's connected to a gigabit backbone from tier 1 providers, so I very much doubt bandwidth is an issue here.
Stealth is is Texas, USA, IIRC. VA = Virginia, which is the east coast of the USA. And Hippo's MA is Massachusetts (sp?), also east coast USA.
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Ping has started ...
PING 85.8.136.169 (85.8.136.169): 56 data bytes
--- 85.8.136.169 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
Umm... :doubt:
Now @ home:
Ping has started ...
PING 85.8.136.169 (85.8.136.169): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=24.986 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=33.353 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=31.705 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=19.248 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=14.43 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=5 ttl=55 time=16.582 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=6 ttl=55 time=22.887 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=7 ttl=55 time=22.34 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=8 ttl=55 time=14.389 ms
64 bytes from 85.8.136.169: icmp_seq=9 ttl=55 time=14.31 ms
--- 85.8.136.169 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 14.31/21.423/33.353 ms
There seems to be a slight difference.... :eek2:
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Are the forums noticably faster for people now?
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Yes, much better.
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Indeed.
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Are the forums noticably faster for people now?
There were two things that changed one after the other. One, I made the forums URL relative instead of absolute, but this breaks the notification emails, and I'm changing it back. The only thing this did anyway was shave about 5% off the filesize of the HTML generated by the forums.
The other, which probably was what made things faster, was that the option to compress the output was not selected.
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gzip?
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Are the forums noticably faster for people now?
There were two things that changed one after the other. One, I made the forums URL relative instead of absolute, but this breaks the notification emails, and I'm changing it back. The only thing this did anyway was shave about 5% off the filesize of the HTML generated by the forums.
The other, which probably was what made things faster, was that the option to compress the output was not selected.
When including stuff relative and absolute does make a bit off a difference with loading times, but not much.
My ping time is generally OK with this server, but yes, stuff speeded up a lot lately. It now seems at a proper speed.
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Things are noticeably faster now; thanks. :)
Arlington, VA = right next to Washington, DC.
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The sad thing is I knew that because that's where Mulder is supposed to live in the X-Files.
Spot the geek.
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The sad thing is I knew that because that's where Mulder is supposed to live in the X-Files.
Spot the geek.
There!
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Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=51
Reply from 85.8.136.169: bytes=32 time=84ms TTL=51
Ping statistics for 85.8.136.169:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 83ms, Maximum = 94ms, Average = 86ms
I was also one of the people experiencing the slow loading and general unresponsiveness. This is on a 6m/768k cable connection. I haven't browsed the site much in the last few days, but it does seem to be a lot better than what I remember about a week ago.
Things are noticeably faster now; thanks.
Arlington, VA = right next to Washington, DC.
You're pretty close to where I live; Rockville is also on the outskirts of DC, although on the north side.