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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Scuddie on December 16, 2005, 01:20:40 pm
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Question of the day: Can PGR3 top this? GT5 Capture (http://rapidshare.de/files/5154326/ruliweb_gt4.wmv.html), all of this was captured real-time. Things are really looking up for this game...
Bring it, Deepblue! :p
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I'm not interested if you can't break the car, myself.
I'm ****ing sick of licensed cars in games, that are made of reinforced titanium armour and hit smack into a barrier at 3000mph with nary a dent.
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Come on... Did you even watch the video?
Besides, you do know that they are working on a damage model for this game, right?
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No, I haven't watched it as I'm already DL-ing something else. But if it's just GT4 (which I diddn't even like - another driving test? **** off!) with nicer graphics, then sod that. That was exactly why I'm not impressed with PGR3, after all. In fact, it's why as it stands I'm more likely to buy a reduced price Gamecube than xbox360 or PS3; the next gen is ****ing boring. Crappy, generic games for the mass market with flashy graphics and bugger-all actual innovation.
EDIT; plus I can't DL more without paying
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Nobody seems to care, do they? :(
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I think more raceing games should include weapons, nothing would be more fun than after winning enough cash you have to chose, should I get a bigger engine, or a few RPGs...
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I think DeepBlue's killed the whole idea of the "Look at the cool graphics in this console game" thread. I only read them so that I can make snide comments about people being corprate shills now. :D
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I'm the 'Same ****, different backdrop' guy ;)
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I'm ****ing sick of licensed cars in games, that are made of reinforced titanium armour and hit smack into a barrier at 3000mph with nary a dent.
Just like in the real world.
...what? Have you ever tried it?
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I'm ****ing sick of licensed cars in games, that are made of reinforced titanium armour and hit smack into a barrier at 3000mph with nary a dent.
Just like in the real world.
...what? Have you ever tried it?
Yes. I'm very angry with the side of the garage.
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I think more raceing games should include weapons, nothing would be more fun than after winning enough cash you have to chose, should I get a bigger engine, or a few RPGs...
indeed!
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Comparing a game that's out now to a game thats two years away...
Gee...
Have fun waiting!
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Come on... Did you even watch the video?
Besides, you do know that they are working on a damage model for this game, right?
Forza already has damage models and much better AI. And Forza 2 will kill GT5 just like Forza killed GT4. Racing online with friends > racing offline with dumb AI (hallmark of GT4).
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Come to earn your 2 cents, then?
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Yes, yes I have.
He started it this time though.
And GT5 will not have these... (sorry about the .jpg compression)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2260/726_0012.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2260/726_0015.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2260/726_0014.jpg)
Or nearly photorealistic cities (I recently took a tour of all the hotels I've stayed at in Shinjuku)...
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2396/726_0004.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2396/726_0007.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2396/726_0015.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2396/726_0016.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2396/726_0017.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2396/726_0018.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2396/726_0021.jpg)
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2396/726_0020.jpg)
(it's really a damn shame to go fast in this game, I apploud Bizzare for thier effort on the environment, hopefully they improve the cars and trees for PGR4)
As for the very near future...
(http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2420/664_0002.jpg)
(actual gameplay unoptimized and WIP)
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Yes Forza has better AI (if you can call it that) and damage models (again, if you can call it that), but there's one reason why Forza doesn't own GT4... GT4 wasn't horribly executed.
And get this... Deepblue may have killed all the threads regarding "look at the pretty graphics", but this thread isn't about "look at the pretty graphics". It's more like "Look how big an advancement over the rest of the franchise this is." I mean hell, to see 18 cars on the track, each with it's own driving style, each one not sounding identical to every other, I think it's worth mentioning that this will be a HUGE improvement for the franchise.
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Yes Forza has better AI (if you can call it that) and damage models (again, if you can call it that), but there's one reason why Forza doesn't own GT4... GT4 wasn't horribly executed.
And get this... Deepblue may have killed all the threads regarding "look at the pretty graphics", but this thread isn't about "look at the pretty graphics". It's more like "Look how big an advancement over the rest of the franchise this is." I mean hell, to see 18 cars on the track, each with it's own driving style, each one not sounding identical to every other, I think it's worth mentioning that this will be a HUGE improvement for the franchise.
Yet you just linked to something showing off pretty graphics?
And Forza is not "horribly executed." It's wonderfully executed, especially online and for car customization.
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So, no new gameplay then? Shame.
To be honest, I'm not all that impressed with said screenshots. It's the classic law of diminishing returns. Especially as we know both consoles will be pretty much identical in performance in that sense, and all it amounts to is a pissing match.
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Biking games remind me of a certain Internet personality, that's why I avoid them.. and now those of you that understand me, will hate me.
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I think more raceing games should include weapons, nothing would be more fun than after winning enough cash you have to chose, should I get a bigger engine, or a few RPGs...
See Full Auto.
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So, no new gameplay then? Shame.
To be honest, I'm not all that impressed with said screenshots. It's the classic law of diminishing returns. Especially as we know both consoles will be pretty much identical in performance in that sense, and all it amounts to is a pissing match.
I think we would be seeing the leap everyone expects from next-gen stuff if the standard resolution had stayed the same. That's really the key difference between this next-gen of consoles and every previous gen.
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Thank you Deepblue, your ability to hijack a game thread, and turn it into an MS pimp thread, never ceases to amaze me.
Yet you just linked to something showing off pretty graphics?
Oh whoopty ****ing doo. The graphics were impressive, but does that mean I can't refer to the incredibly improved sounds, vastly improved AI, and ridiculously improved amount of cars on the track? Even an MS fanboy like you should know that CGI quality does NOT trump everything else. No offense, really, but that comment makes you sound like a total dip****.
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And as for fighting and racing, the game Whiplash comes to mind. Used to be one of the funnest DOS games I've played. However, the idea of killing all the other cars to win sort of killed the idea of racing along with it. It may be fun for some, but I can't see how Twisted Metal combined with GT would work. Perhaps Twisted Metal with Burnout would, but that would be too arcadish for a genuine racing game.
EDIT: and Deepblue, that moto game sure looks nice. I'll give you that one.
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Thank you Deepblue, your ability to hijack a game thread, and turn it into an MS pimp thread, never ceases to amaze me.Yet you just linked to something showing off pretty graphics?
Oh whoopty ****ing doo. The graphics were impressive, but does that mean I can't refer to the incredibly improved sounds, vastly improved AI, and ridiculously improved amount of cars on the track? Even an MS fanboy like you should know that CGI quality does NOT trump everything else. No offense, really, but that comment makes you sound like a total dip****.
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And as for fighting and racing, the game Whiplash comes to mind. Used to be one of the funnest DOS games I've played. However, the idea of killing all the other cars to win sort of killed the idea of racing along with it. It may be fun for some, but I can't see how Twisted Metal combined with GT would work. Perhaps Twisted Metal with Burnout would, but that would be too arcadish for a genuine racing game.
Bring it, Deepblue!
Can PGR3 top this?
Scizophrenia??? Or hypocrite???
That is the question.
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So, no new gameplay then? Shame.
To be honest, I'm not all that impressed with said screenshots. It's the classic law of diminishing returns. Especially as we know both consoles will be pretty much identical in performance in that sense, and all it amounts to is a pissing match.
I think we would be seeing the leap everyone expects from next-gen stuff if the standard resolution had stayed the same. That's really the key difference between this next-gen of consoles and every previous gen.
Um, well I've not seen it from the HD gameplay I've seen either (in store demos). Hence diminishing returns; you have double the polygons on a PGR3 car or so, stitching, higher resolution textures, etc, but all that actually amounts to is filler that is incidental at best. I don't think the next gen will really make all that much of a leap in realism, at most it'll up the numbers a bit on, say, number of particles onscreen or soforth. but if you take, say, that moto screenshot above, in normal play it will look pretty much identical to current generation games. Just perhaps a tiny bit sharper - if you have a £1000 telly.
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Did you not see the :p at the end of "Bring it, Deepblue!" (Translation: I am kidding, I don't really want you to hijack this thread and bring in games that aren't relevant), or are you just trying to make yourself look stupid at my expense? And do you honestly believe that comment you made about graphics didn't deserve the flame?
Jeez...
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You are of course correct. Which is why the Revolution will be fine on standard TVs. However, I have a $1000 telly I would like to put to good use.
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Did you not see the :p at the end of "Bring it, Deepblue!" (Translation: I am kidding, I don't really want you to hijack this thread and bring in games that aren't relevant), or are you just trying to make yourself look stupid at my expense? And do you honestly believe that comment you made about graphics didn't deserve the flame?
Jeez...
Talk about polar personalities.
And unless you put [sarcasm] tags on there, I can't tell. This is text, not a conversation with infexive tones.
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You are of course correct. Which is why the Revolution will be fine on standard TVs. However, I have a $1000 telly I would like to put to good use.
Becuase graphics are more important than gameplay? Because the implication is that the Revolution would be inherently a 'bad use' for an HD TV, which is patently bollocks unless you're referring to graphics alone. Of course, IIRC the PS3 has better HDTV support (offhand higher resolution output and more digital output options) than the Xbox360, so would you now recommend that?
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Talk about polar personalities.
And unless you put [sarcasm] tags on there, I can't tell. This is text, not a conversation with infexive tones.
I thought the raspberry smiley would be enough to indicate sarcasm. Communication error FTW.
And yes, talk about polar personalities. I think you would be as pissed as I am if you were in a very bad mood to begin with (personal matters, wont go into it), and then someone makes a comment directed at you, that is completely lax of inteligence... "Yet you just linked to something showing off pretty graphics?". That line pushed me a tad over the edge, and if I came off as being overly harsh, I apologise. But my statement stands, that was a stupid thing to say.
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Well sorry then.
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I'm sorry for this, but I findly found some of the screen shots of PGR3 that really communicate how amazing this game looks...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/antd/pgr3ferr.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/antd/pgr3enzo2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/mr_sockochris/IMGP0105.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/mr_sockochris/IMGP0104.jpg)
(http://www.reddeth.com/trav/panny3.JPG)
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You are of course correct. Which is why the Revolution will be fine on standard TVs. However, I have a $1000 telly I would like to put to good use.
Becuase graphics are more important than gameplay? Because the implication is that the Revolution would be inherently a 'bad use' for an HD TV, which is patently bollocks unless you're referring to graphics alone. Of course, IIRC the PS3 has better HDTV support (offhand higher resolution output and more digital output options) than the Xbox360, so would you now recommend that?
I don't have a 1080p telly and I don't know anyone who does, not to mention the fact that I can't think of one PS3 game with a 1080p target resolution so it's all the same to me.
I plan on getting the Revolution.
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*cough* Bullshot *cough*
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I don't have a 1080p telly and I don't know anyone who does, not to mention the fact that I can't think of one PS3 game with a 1080p target resolution so it's all the same to me.
1080p isn't commonly widespread, but there are some LCD TVs that natively support 1080p, but the price tag attached to these are not worth the feature. However, most people speculate that in a couple years, the affordability of 1080p displays will be much more reasonable. Sony is capitalizing on that idea, so I think it's not a bad marketing gimmick to include support for it.
EDIT: I really need to go to sleep.
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You are of course correct. Which is why the Revolution will be fine on standard TVs. However, I have a $1000 telly I would like to put to good use.
Becuase graphics are more important than gameplay? Because the implication is that the Revolution would be inherently a 'bad use' for an HD TV, which is patently bollocks unless you're referring to graphics alone. Of course, IIRC the PS3 has better HDTV support (offhand higher resolution output and more digital output options) than the Xbox360, so would you now recommend that?
I don't have a 1080p telly and I don't know anyone who does, not to mention the fact that I can't think of one PS3 game with a 1080p target resolution so it's all the same to me.
I plan on getting the Revolution.
So in other words you immediately negate your arguement for the Xbox360s graphical ability vs modern PCs, as soon as an equivalent greater than arguement is made for the chief competitor? 'PS3 has higher res, thus higher res is meaningless' to paraphrase? Somewhat hypocritical, davinchy-kerr?
And why the screenshots? What exactly do statics that will never be seen in the gameplay convey? that you can render-stroke-photoshop and selectively pick nice pictures?
NB: I think part of sony focusing on 1080p is in order to better use blu-ray, i.e. the sort of idea of the PS3 acting as a trojan horse for getting that format to be the main player (and also to boost the PS3s attractiveness as the main player). I wouldn't be surprised if MS release an HD DVD 360 with support for that same format (i.e. digital video outs as appropriate), although IIRC their own guidelines restrict the target resolution of games to be somewhat lower.
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F*** photo-realistic racing games, I want Wipeout and Death Rally!
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If you can't go faster than the speed of sound it's not a racing game as far as I'm concerned :p
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I think more raceing games should include weapons, nothing would be more fun than after winning enough cash you have to chose, should I get a bigger engine, or a few RPGs...
You should've played Vigilante 8 (and it's sequel) on the original PS. It's a blast, to say the least! Tis a pity it never came out on the Xbox - would pwn any other car game out there right now when it came to sheer, utter fun and hilarity. :nod: :D
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F*** photo-realistic racing games, I want Wipeout and Death Rally!
oh yeah...forgot about Death Rally too! A 3D Version of that would be an excellent, excellent game if made right. :nod:
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RC Pro Am (http://screenmania.retrogames.com/nes/01/nes_0009.html) FTW! From the days before Rare lost it.
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Excitebike.
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*cough* Bullshot *cough*
That's the game. On peoples TVs... Which you can see in the picture...
The last guy has a Panasonic.
No bullshot.
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Deepblue, those latest shots look vibrant and beautiful. However, there is something dead wrong about them. The cars and tracks look like they're made of plastic. When I look down the street, I never ever see plastic cars being driven. I am fairly certain that the ground underneath the tires of my car should be made of tarmac instead of plastic. That's pretty much my biggest beef with PGR3. So much work was put into eye candy, where it could have been spent elsewhere. The graphics of PGR3 are pretty, but it has so much eyecandy that it makes it look fake.
Diminishing returns, my friend, diminishing returns...
Also I don't believe for a second that those shots are from a camera focused on a TV. The shots are WAY too perfect.
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Deepblue, those latest shots look vibrant and beautiful. However, there is something dead wrong about them. The cars and tracks look like they're made of plastic. When I look down the street, I never ever see plastic cars being driven. I am fairly certain that the ground underneath the tires of my car should be made of tarmac instead of plastic. That's pretty much my biggest beef with PGR3. So much work was put into eye candy, where it could have been spent elsewhere. The graphics of PGR3 are pretty, but it has so much eyecandy that it makes it look fake.
Diminishing returns, my friend, diminishing returns...
Also I don't believe for a second that those shots are from a camera focused on a TV. The shots are WAY too perfect.
Look at the last shot. All these pics are from members of the GAF.
And look at real shots of the same cars... They DO look like plastic.
PRG3
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/mr_sockochris/IMGP0105.jpg)
Real
(http://concours.smugmug.com/photos/654043-S-1.jpg)
Desaturate the images a bit and whala!
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Virtually all the x360 games overuse specular, so they look plastic. I'm not sure why, exactly. Because they can, I guess. IIRc FIFA 2006 is probably the worst culprit; it looks utterly horrible, with zombie like players, a pointless motion blur effect and 6 inch long grass blades drawn for no point beyond that they can be.
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"And Rangers take the lead thanks to a deflection from a 6-inch blade of grass..."
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"And Rangers take the lead thanks to a deflection from a 6-inch blade of grass..."
Well, it's more likely than Franny Jeffers....