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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Carl on September 18, 2001, 12:25:00 am
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in one of the cutscenes it has Bosch typing out on a keyboard. why? it's been almost 300 years! you'd thing they'd have thought command or something but no, Bosch has to learn keystroke on his 300 year old laptop! and why a 2D screen? why not a 3D holoscreen like the vasudans use? (see vasudan main hall campaign room animation) [V] may be gods, but their thinking seems quite 20th century.
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I see where you're coming from.
They should have LCARS ("http://www.startrek.com/library/techno.asp?ID=70132") - j/k
[This message has been edited by Pegasus V (edited 09-18-2001).]
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And our thinking also happens to be awful 20th century as well.
I loved that scene, it makes us identify (even a little bit) with Aken Bosch, even with that one simple detail. Sometimes you have to incorporate details of your target audience's life in with whatever you're doing, you want to connect with the humanity in the story and draw your audience in with even a small and stupidly familiar detail, such as the sound of a man typing at a keyboard...
I think it's a poor trend within the SF genre to focus too much on the toys and technology, and too little on the story you were trying to tell and the life you were trying to convey.
Although I gotta admit, voice recognition would sure be a hell of a lot easier on my carpal-tunnel syndrome (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
[This message has been edited by jonskowitz (edited 09-18-2001).]
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Originally posted by Pegasus V:
They should have LCARS ("http://www.startrek.com/library/techno.asp?ID=70132") - j/k
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i have to say that id be very disspointed if we wind up using an operating system as ulgy as star treks.
but then again it was designed on a mac in the 80s sometime so...
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Heh! I'd like to be able to talk to Avatars to input my information. Talking to people would be good. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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really? I may sound weird, but when it's 2 am, I really don't want to talk loud. Plus imagine the scene: "ok dudes, leave the bridge, I have some important omega classed informations to tell to the computer". hem yeah...
I think keyboard is the best interface, and I'm sure in 50 years you'll still have a keyboard (and in 300 years too, maybe). Cars have 100 years know, and they still use steering wheels.
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Why COULDN'T Bosch use a laptop if he wanted to? People today use all sorts of antiques, just because they're there, or they like to feel like they're in a different time. It's very possible that our beloved Admiral had somehow gotten ahold of a genuine 20th century computer, and liked using it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Hmmm, I see problems with the avatar idea:
Little Jimmy: Avatar, get me some pr0n!!
Avatar: Yes oh great overlord of all things binary, I shall make it my single most important crusade in your service to search out pr0n of the highest quality for your viewing pleasure.
Little Jimmy's mum: What the hell did your little creature just say?!?
Little Jimmy: *whispering* Shut it avatar.
Avatar: Indeed!! I shall speak of my pr0n crusade no longer!!
Little Jimmy's mum: I wondered why you were on that internet thing so late into the night.
*sounds of pr0n crazed youth being repeatedly beaten with footwear whilst his trusty avatar is killed by an unrecoverable error*
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Originally posted by Anduril:
Why COULDN'T Bosch use a laptop if he wanted to? People today use all sorts of antiques, just because they're there, or they like to feel like they're in a different time. It's very possible that our beloved Admiral had somehow gotten ahold of a genuine 20th century computer, and liked using it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Yeah, he probably uses it for sentimental reasons.
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Originally posted by Anduril:
Why COULDN'T Bosch use a laptop if he wanted to? People today use all sorts of antiques, just because they're there, or they like to feel like they're in a different time. It's very possible that our beloved Admiral had somehow gotten ahold of a genuine 20th century computer, and liked using it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
*sounds of 20th century keyboard*
...I feel only joy...
*screen flashes blue*
Windows has caused a fatal exception in module 'really advanced wordprocessing suite'
*sound of damned expensive piece of junk being thrown across ready room*
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Originally posted by Maeglamor:
*sounds of 20th century keyboard*
...I feel only joy...
*screen flashes blue*
Windows has caused a fatal exception in module 'really advanced wordprocessing suite'
*sound of damned expensive piece of junk being thrown across ready room*
LOL
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Originally posted by Carl:
...and why a 2D screen? why not a 3D holoscreen like the vasudans use?
I really like the interface that is shown to good effect in the Final Fantasy movie... holo-keyboard AND holo-screen. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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I personally prefer a more solid keyboard, something I can easilly head butt (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Pfeh! I like Avatars (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Still, I could see a lot of combinations done, but a holo display is the most flexible with interface (universal keyboard displays and such) as programming options.
Even then, the little kiddies with an Avatar would be cute, and avoids any pr0n crusades me mastah!
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It probably has to do with privacy more than anything else. It was a personal log entry after all.
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The keyboard Bosch was using was massively different. It clearly had less buttons than our QWERTY type keyboards, or the Dvorak ones. So it was probably not an antique.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
really? I may sound weird, but when it's 2 am, I really don't want to talk loud. Plus imagine the scene: "ok dudes, leave the bridge, I have some important omega classed informations to tell to the computer". hem yeah...
which is why i said Neural Interface instead of voice interface...plus it's more high tech.
Originally posted by venom2506:
I think keyboard is the best interface, and I'm sure in 50 years you'll still have a keyboard (and in 300 years too, maybe). Cars have 100 years know, and they still use steering wheels.
they are already redisigning keyboards all the time, and they are already developing interfaces better than keyboards, so in 50 years they will be obsolete let alone 300. you don't seem to realize how fast tech is improving. look at the first keyboards for type writers, now look at the new ones. then take into account that technology is advancing on a curve. now extrapalate 300 years. yeah, like i said, no keyboards for bosch.
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Whatever. I find it slightly annoying that every SciFi setting always seems to become showcases for some future Sears catalogues instead of an actual storyline.
Science fiction can be so much more than gadgets...
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Originally posted by Carl:
they are already redisigning keyboards all the time, and they are already developing interfaces better than keyboards, so in 50 years they will be obsolete let alone 300. you don't seem to realize how fast tech is improving. look at the first keyboards for type writers, now look at the new ones. then take into account that technology is advancing on a curve. now extrapalate 300 years. yeah, like i said, no keyboards for bosch.
They make new designs, that's about all (oh, yes, they added the windows keys, yepee!!!). Ok, about all your new interfaces: there's already been some attempts (virtual helmets -whatever you call it-, that glove thing, thre's alraedy voice recognition, and so on). What has worked? nothing (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Lookn even -insert right word here- like the psx2 or the dreamcast have the possibility to use keyboard now. for you, is it a step backward? It's not because something is new that it's better And neural interface... the GTA doesn't seem that advanced to use those kind of sci-fie delirium.
Bah, anyway, I don't want this to go into an argument, so never mind.
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Isn't it weird that keyboards basically have everything you need in a relativly compact space though? I don't see how any device controlled by hand could do what it does more efficiently...
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Oh! Oh! MMI! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
*BLEEP*
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Id feel freakin strange if I keep talking to my computer
ME: Computer open adobe pohotoshop
PC: Did you say potatoes?
ME: Stupid F&/% computer
PC: fine be that way *PC posts embarrising moments when you where crossdreassing like a shivan*
Neural interface higly unlikley
Voice interface higly unlikley
Keyboard interface LIKELY to stay F4eva
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What about the tactile interfaces the Taelons use. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Interesting technology in its infancy that might end up giving you no physical controls at all:
http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/sfnews/1998/Nov19/brain.html ("http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/sfnews/1998/Nov19/brain.html")
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I personally like the Star Trek system, all it needs are better colors, like maybe in shades of dark green or blue. It can function like a keyboard or a touchscreen computer.
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you guys, do you really REALLY think that keyboards are still gonna be around 300 years form now? i find the idea ridiculous. why enter commands by pushing buttons when you could simply think "i want coffee" and the replicator makes you coffee! sure the keyboard is a very good interface and it will be use for a long time, but come on! 300 years is a very long time, especially in computer terms. technology is always so much more efficent then we think it's gonna be. in 1966 the epitome of computer interface is Captain Kirk[TM] pushing big red buttons that put the ship on self destruct. the 60's audiance thought "oooow! a big red button! groovy!" but now if we saw Captain Janeway[TM] flipping switches and turning dials on the U.S.S. Voyager we would laugh. simmilarly in 2066 on Star Trek: the next next generation, our grand-children would roll their eyes if they saw Captain Picard VI[TM] pressing touch screen buttons on an LCARS screen. They would see it the same way we see Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers flying around in their little rocket ships with sparks flying out the back firing white cartoon destructo beams. they would then get up and play a nice game of Freespace3 (on their "100 gaming classics" file they bought at Comp GTA for 5 credits) on their matrix-like brain plug-in world. if you gave one of those kids a keyboard he would turn stick it on his head and wonder why it doesn't work.
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I did a little more reading on the brainwave detector.
The cool thing about "think" technology is that on and off are simply concepts so even if you speak spanish or italian or chinese on and off remain the same! Very nifty (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
I always thought that Denise and Michael Okuda's interface work (most interfaces you see in ST) was very pleasing to the eye.
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Ever read 3001 by Arthur C. Clarke? In that people send messages by thought, and it's really buggy. Everything that the person thinks is written down in the message, and most of it ends up being gibberish. Thought guided writing seems ludicrous to me.
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A 20th century 300 years in the future... imigine the amount of sticky bits and crisps left in-between the keys....
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Originally posted by Jabu:
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009:
I personally like the Star Trek system, all it needs are better colors, like maybe in shades of dark green or blue. It can function like a keyboard or a touchscreen computer.
(see: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, Star Trek: Generations. Enterprise and Excelsior consoles. Nuff said.)
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Originally posted by ^Graff:
Ever read 3001 by Arthur C. Clarke?
Yes, I didn't like it. The first one was great, and it went downhill from there. 3001 was the worst in my opinion. Especially that neural interface. Yuck! Who would want to be bald for life!
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I didn't really like it either, it's just that I remember how screwed up the interface was.
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Originally posted by ^Graff:
Ever read 3001 by Arthur C. Clarke? In that people send messages by thought, and it's really buggy. Everything that the person thinks is written down in the message, and most of it ends up being gibberish. Thought guided writing seems ludicrous to me.
yeah uhh there is one thing wrong with that. if you can communicate through thought, then you should be able to only send the messages you want to send because choosing is part of thought.
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Originally posted by Carl:
yeah uhh there is one thing wrong with that. if you can communicate through thought, then you should be able to only send the messages you want to send because choosing is part of thought.
Really? Did you never had a music in your head, whatever you do, you can't stop that music to play in your mind? You know, that f*cking music your little brother listens all day long and ... and...
Anyway, imagine, you try to "think" something to your comp, and what appears? Lyrics (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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We always think in words. But my mum, who has lived in Australia for 20 years, still finds herself thinking in Chinese. It's quite different...
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its an interesting test to see.
I normally prefer to beleive i think "visually" but if i was tested it would probably not be the case.
Neural interfaces are an interesting idea, but the tech just isnt there yet..read my reply to setekhs thermodynamics post.
And what happened if you got a virus?
or if the wires in your head had been messed around with and could puppet your body?
What happens if theres a power surge when you're plugged in?
The FF interface is a good idea but you really would have to be very dextrous to actually work it. I can imagine it would be easy to slip and press the wrong control :P
Holo diplays exist..theres a prototype glass ball around that works at 60hz, but a useable and affordable display is years away sadly.
Voice recognition wont take off, its too much like using a phone AND I HATE TELEPHONES!
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Actually, I think having stuff that respond to voice is cool. I wished it worked for the TV though.
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Originally posted by wEvil:
Neural interfaces are an interesting idea, but the tech just isnt there yet..read my reply to setekhs thermodynamics post.
And what happened if you got a virus?
or if the wires in your head had been messed around with and could puppet your body?
Watch (or even better, read) ghost in the Shell.
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Originally posted by wEvil:
AND I HATE TELEPHONES!
My brother!
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
(see: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, Star Trek: Generations. Enterprise and Excelsior consoles. Nuff said.)
I still think the Excelsior is a work of art (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by venom2506:
Really? Did you never had a music in your head, whatever you do, you can't stop that music to play in your mind? You know, that f*cking music your little brother listens all day long and ... and...
Anyway, imagine, you try to "think" something to your comp, and what appears? Lyrics (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
you don't understand. you can have 100's of other thoughts in your head, but the only one that goes into the computer is the thought you want to go in because the computer reads whether you want a certain thought to go in or not. it's really quite simple in concept, but hard to explain.
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Originally posted by Carl:
you don't understand. you can have 100's of other thoughts in your head, but the only one that goes into the computer is the thought you want to go in because the computer reads whether you want a certain thought to go in or not. it's really quite simple in concept, but hard to explain.
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Yeah, but I don't think even in 300 years we'll have a computer that can read thoughts, and can choose the right ones from the wrong ones. My 3dsMax can't even choose the right edge when I click on one which is over another one lol, whatever I do it will ALWAYS pick the wrong one (there must be some kind od physical law about that lol)
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LOL same in TS2. but in 300 years 3dsMax version 147 will be able to create a perfect 3D model just by thinking of a cool ship. it probably won't even be polygons. maybe molicule-sized force-field spheres?
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Originally posted by Carl:
LOL same in TS2. but in 300 years 3dsMax version 147 will be able to create a perfect 3D model just by thinking of a cool ship. it probably won't even be polygons. maybe molicule-sized force-field spheres?
Better yet. We just put on a device on ouur heads, think of a ship and 3D Studio Max will draw thew ship for us. No more modelling. Just think of it. Hehehe (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by NeoHunter:
Better yet. We just put on a device on ouur heads, think of a ship and 3D Studio Max will draw thew ship for us. No more modelling. Just think of it. Hehehe (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Hmmm Is that good or bad?
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Originally posted by Top Gun:
Hmmm Is that good or bad?
it sux me think (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
anyway, carl: metaballs maybe? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)