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Title: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: pyro-manic on February 01, 2006, 08:35:26 am
I know ngtm1r and a few others will be interested in this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4667132.stm

HMS Daring, the first of the new Type 45 heavy destroyers, is launched this afternoon. They will come into service starting in 2009, and will replace the aging Type 42 class, which have been in service since the late 1960s. They will be the biggest non-capital warships in the Royal Navy since the Tiger-class missile cruisers of the 1950s.

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Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: aldo_14 on February 01, 2006, 08:39:06 am
I know ngtm1r and a few others will be interested in this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4667132.stm

HMS Daring, the first of the new Type 45 heavy destroyers, is launched this afternoon. They will come into service starting in 2009, and will replace the aging Type 42 class, which have been in service since the late 1960s. They will be the biggest non-capital warships in the Royal Navy since the Tiger-class missile cruisers of the 1950s.

I'm quite amused by the insistence of alliterative ship names; HMS Dauntless, Daring, Diamond, Defender, Dragon and......... Duncan.  Seriously, you'd think they'd have a better 'D' word for it; it's not something to send the enemy quaking in their boots, facing down the Duncan.

(at least it's name after a Scot, I suppose)
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: pyro-manic on February 01, 2006, 08:42:06 am
Yeah. At least they didn't bring back "Dido" though.... :D
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: aldo_14 on February 01, 2006, 08:43:36 am
HMS Dildo.  One for the female sailors, there.

:D

(aldo expects a forthcoming kicking and/or ban for that one.........)
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Prophet on February 01, 2006, 08:48:26 am
Nothing wrong with Duncan. At least its better than Destructer, Death-bringer, Doom or Dominator... Warship name doesnt have to be indimitatading...
I have as much respect for HMS Lollipop as I have for HMS Krush, Kill 'n Destroy
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Rictor on February 01, 2006, 08:58:48 am
HMS Discombobulator?
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: karajorma on February 01, 2006, 10:06:27 am
I have as much respect for HMS Lollipop as I have for HMS Krush, Kill 'n Destroy

In a way it's good. The enemy would be so busy laughing every time they thought of attacking the Lollipop that they would let it get into range and grind them to dust :D
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Martinus on February 01, 2006, 10:11:34 am
HMS Dildo. One for the female sailors, there.

:D

(aldo expects a forthcoming kicking and/or ban for that one.........)
What? For mis-spelling Dido?

We're not that harsh.
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: aldo_14 on February 01, 2006, 10:14:06 am
I have as much respect for HMS Lollipop as I have for HMS Krush, Kill 'n Destroy

In a way it's good. The enemy would be so busy laughing every time they thought of attacking the Lollipop that they would let it get into range and grind them to dust :D

What, like HMS Tickler, HMS Spanker, HMS Sappho, HMS Fairy, HMS Thruster, HMS Torrid, HMS Dwarf, HMS Doris, HMS Teaser, HMS Truant, HMS Insolent and HMS Pansy?

Well, I suppose it's better than HMS Surly and HMS Violent........

(all real names, BTW) (http://www.mtyc.org.uk/Pages/miscellany_humour.htm)
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Unknown Target on February 01, 2006, 10:16:23 am
:lol:
Anyway, the ship would look really cool; if it didn't have that giant lollipop sticking out of the top. Maybe they should've named it the Lollipop cause of that.
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Martinus on February 01, 2006, 10:17:37 am
Get with the times...

HMS Emo
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Black Wolf on February 01, 2006, 10:21:06 am
They had a HMS Batman once...
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: aldo_14 on February 01, 2006, 10:24:18 am
They had a HMS Batman once...

Batman was a proper military name at that time, though.  Er, not like Steve Batman, but as in the name of an officers assistant or something.
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Taristin on February 01, 2006, 10:24:46 am

What, like HMS Tickler, HMS Spanker, HMS Sappho, HMS Fairy, HMS Thruster, HMS Torrid, HMS Dwarf, HMS Doris, HMS Teaser, HMS Truant, HMS Insolent and HMS Pansy?

Well, I suppose it's better than HMS Surly and HMS Violent........

(all real names, BTW) (http://www.mtyc.org.uk/Pages/miscellany_humour.htm)

Wheres the HMS Bu****? >..>
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Martinus on February 01, 2006, 10:40:12 am
They had a HMS Batman once...
Yes... It was a science ship.

Lets see if anyone gets that reference.
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Flipside on February 01, 2006, 11:01:03 am
Defiant, Dismantler, Deadly or even Despotic to keep the Blairs happy, but Duncan!?

It's like cars, they used to have cool names like 'Tiger' or 'Mustang' or 'Manta' but now it's all stupid names like 'Ka' and 'Uno', I say un-castrate our car's names!
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Fineus on February 01, 2006, 11:31:22 am
Yeah. At least they didn't bring back "Dido" though.... :D

I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be


:lol:
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Taristin on February 01, 2006, 11:32:42 am
Defiant, Dismantler, Deadly or even Despotic to keep the Blairs happy, but Duncan!?

It's like cars, they used to have cool names like 'Tiger' or 'Mustang' or 'Manta' but now it's all stupid names like 'Ka' and 'Uno', I say un-castrate our car's names!

Be happy you still get car names. In America, the trend is to have random number and letter combinations.

RSX, TSX, RL, TL, MDX, IS300, IS350, FX430, 325ci, 730i, etc.

Annoyyyiiiinnngggg
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Martinus on February 01, 2006, 11:39:18 am
Defiant, Dismantler, Deadly or even Despotic to keep the Blairs happy, but Duncan!?

It's like cars, they used to have cool names like 'Tiger' or 'Mustang' or 'Manta' but now it's all stupid names like 'Ka' and 'Uno', I say un-castrate our car's names!
Yes but how many women do you know that want to buy a car named after a beastie?
They're simply creating generic names aimed at the entire european market. Though the pinto 'episode' was funny. :)
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Roanoke on February 01, 2006, 01:02:41 pm
Defiant, Dismantler, Deadly or even Despotic to keep the Blairs happy, but Duncan!?

It's like cars, they used to have cool names like 'Tiger' or 'Mustang' or 'Manta' but now it's all stupid names like 'Ka' and 'Uno', I say un-castrate our car's names!

Be happy you still get car names. In America, the trend is to have random number and letter combinations.

RSX, TSX, RL, TL, MDX, IS300, IS350, FX430, 325ci, 730i, etc.

Annoyyyiiiinnngggg


aren't those all foreign cars ?
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Taristin on February 01, 2006, 01:16:47 pm
Defiant, Dismantler, Deadly or even Despotic to keep the Blairs happy, but Duncan!?

It's like cars, they used to have cool names like 'Tiger' or 'Mustang' or 'Manta' but now it's all stupid names like 'Ka' and 'Uno', I say un-castrate our car's names!

Be happy you still get car names. In America, the trend is to have random number and letter combinations.

RSX, TSX, RL, TL, MDX, IS300, IS350, FX430, 325ci, 730i, etc.

Annoyyyiiiinnngggg


aren't those all foreign cars ?

While they are, they (most of them) only have those names in North America.

You know the TSX as the Accord. The RSX as the Integra, the IS300 as the Altezza. The G35 as the Skyline. Etc.

American companies... well, they still use names, but, c'mon. Ford 500. Chrysler 300M. It's begining within them, too.

Not that the Ford Ka is a British car, either. Ford is an American company after all.
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Unknown Target on February 01, 2006, 01:17:33 pm
Yea, that's what I was thinking too. Those are all foreign cars :p
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Taristin on February 01, 2006, 01:21:28 pm
Well, what does their being foreign have to do with anything? I never said "American cars are all named like this..."
They're still vehicles sold in the US and have names specifically designed for the American who's "conscious of the image the name exudes"
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Ace on February 01, 2006, 01:26:22 pm
Maybe it's the Duncan as in you know... ermm... Duncan Idaho? The Duncan that keeps on tickin'?

Still, we should have ship names for navies like the Culture ships.

Still even the cheesier Brit names sure as hell beat the USS Ronald Reagan, USS Joseph McCarthy, and USS 'Scooter' Libby. :p
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: aldo_14 on February 01, 2006, 03:17:09 pm
Duncan as in the name of a former admiral; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Duncan
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: phreak on February 01, 2006, 05:48:46 pm
Nothing will ever beat the S.S. Greater than Batman, Superman, and Spiderman Combined!
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Fineus on February 01, 2006, 05:54:33 pm
The H.M.S Chuck Norris....?
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: Nuclear1 on February 01, 2006, 06:06:44 pm
They had a HMS Batman once...
Yes... It was a science ship.

Lets see if anyone gets that reference.

I get the reference Maeg. Do I get a cookie? :p
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: achtung on February 01, 2006, 06:23:20 pm
The H.M.S Chuck Norris....?

A ship that roundhouse kicks?
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Martinus on February 01, 2006, 06:37:02 pm
I get the reference Maeg. Do I get a cookie? :p
I require prooooof! ;)
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Nuclear1 on February 01, 2006, 06:42:18 pm
Spoiler:
Proof that Bruce Wayne, Batman's alter-ego, is a scientist? ;)
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Martinus on February 01, 2006, 06:50:31 pm
Spoiler:
Proof that Bruce Wayne, Batman's alter-ego, is a scientist? ;)
Indeed, specifically when Homer talks about it. :nod:
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: IceFire on February 01, 2006, 10:39:02 pm
I have no problems with the list of names....RN shipnames always had a proud sort of feel to them.  Gives them a sort of strength of history.  Neat looking destroyer...I see finally someone has topped the Canadian frigate and destroyer designs by quite a lot!
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Grey Wolf on February 01, 2006, 10:51:53 pm
HMS Dildo.  One for the female sailors, there.

:D

(aldo expects a forthcoming kicking and/or ban for that one.........)
Channeling an0n, I see.
They had a HMS Batman once...
Yes... It was a science ship.

Lets see if anyone gets that reference.
Of course. Batman is a scientist :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: FireCrack on February 01, 2006, 10:55:26 pm
they should have named it the Dashor...
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Mefustae on February 02, 2006, 12:15:59 am
Indeed, specifically when Homer talks about it. :nod:
Marge: "Homer, we have someone here who we think can help you."
Homer: "Batman?"
Marge: "No, it's a scientist"
Homer: "Batman's a scientist"
Marge: "It's not Batman!!"
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Turnsky on February 02, 2006, 12:24:23 am
HMS maythistubneversinkwithusinit  :p
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Ford Prefect on February 02, 2006, 12:57:27 am
The British Navy, however mighty, will not be complete until it contains the HMS Pinafore.
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: IPAndrews on February 02, 2006, 02:54:15 am
Great, an expensive cruise missile target. Nice to know my taxes are being well spent.
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Wanderer on February 02, 2006, 03:46:58 am
Modern warships are extremely efficient AA (guns and SAMs) and also cruise missile platforms themselves.. So i wouldnt say that its just an expensive target. I rather believe that ships like these are gradually making aircraft carriers obsolete as there is no point what so ever to send any bombers to that ships vicinity (under 100 km radius) unless you have plenty of bombers to spare.
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: IPAndrews on February 02, 2006, 04:04:12 am
Modern warships are extremely efficient AA (guns and SAMs) and also cruise missile platforms themselves.. So i wouldnt say that its just an expensive target. I rather believe that ships like these are gradually making aircraft carriers obsolete as there is no point what so ever to send any bombers to that ships vicinity (under 100 km radius) unless you have plenty of bombers to spare.

Bombers approach ship. Drop a load of long range cruise missiles. Bombers turn away. SAMS and AA guns shoot down some missiles. One missile hits. Ship sinks. Job's a good 'un. Unless I'm very much mistaken. Maybe things really have changed since I last read Red Storm Rising.
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Sandwich on February 02, 2006, 04:06:24 am
The British Navy, however mighty, will not be complete until it contains the HMS Pinafore.
HMS Thunderchild FTW. :yes2: :yes:
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: Fineus on February 02, 2006, 04:27:26 am
Word! :D :lol:
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: aldo_14 on February 02, 2006, 04:46:52 am
Modern warships are extremely efficient AA (guns and SAMs) and also cruise missile platforms themselves.. So i wouldnt say that its just an expensive target. I rather believe that ships like these are gradually making aircraft carriers obsolete as there is no point what so ever to send any bombers to that ships vicinity (under 100 km radius) unless you have plenty of bombers to spare.

Bombers approach ship. Drop a load of long range cruise missiles. Bombers turn away. SAMS and AA guns shoot down some missiles. One missile hits. Ship sinks. Job's a good 'un. Unless I'm very much mistaken. Maybe things really have changed since I last read Red Storm Rising.

Isn't that the main purpose of all non-carrier ships nowadays, anyways?
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: IPAndrews on February 02, 2006, 05:00:01 am
Isn't that the main purpose of all non-carrier ships nowadays, anyways?

I must be particularly dim today because I don't understand what you're getting at. Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: aldo_14 on February 02, 2006, 05:32:36 am
Isn't that the main purpose of all non-carrier ships nowadays, anyways?

I must be particularly dim today because I don't understand what you're getting at. Can you elaborate?

Well, when they sent the taskforce to the Falklands - basically the last 'proper' naval operation of the last 20 years by the RN (at least that I can think of) - the escorting destroyers, frigates, etc were organized to be arranged in concentric circles around the two lead aircraft carriers.  Partially to extend radar coverage, but also simply so that any attacking Argentine jets would target the outer destroyers (etc) ahead of the carriers in the centre.  Basically - for the reasons you said before - the primary asset of any naval force is the fighter coverage from an aircraft carrier, so really all the other ships are essentially meatshields to protect it.  And cruise missile platforms, but subs can also do that.
Title: Re: HMS Daring launched today
Post by: BlackDove on February 02, 2006, 06:02:05 am
HMS Heathcliff for the win.

Doesn't get any more up the ass for the crew of the boat than that.
Title: Re: Daring launched today
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 02, 2006, 06:49:32 am
Duncan.

HMS Duncan, D-class destroyer leader in the Second World War, flagship of Escort Group B.7, which escorted convoy ONS.5 in what is probably the climatic action of the Battle of the Atlantic.

A good name.

Your readings of Red Storm Rising are correct...your conclusions flawed. The days of worrying about multiregiment Backfire raids are over; today all of Russian Naval Aviation would be hard-pressed to deal with a British battlegroup, much less an American one centered on an AEGIS ship.

Besides, it wasn't the power of plot that kept the Reuben James and Battleaxe alive. They made it on their own merits. :p