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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fineus on February 10, 2006, 10:09:07 am
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Without going into specifics, I have a need for a food or food supplement that enables one to gain weight (or "bulk out" if you prefer) rapidly. At the moment I'm thinking of sports supplements etc. sort of the *opposite* of a slim-fast milkshake.
Simply "eating junk food" is not the answer I'm looking for here. If anyone has any knowledge of diet control etc. and can help.. that'd be great.
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Thats a good start.
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Simply "eating junk food" is not the answer I'm looking for here.
Why not? How about "eat junk food and drink beer"? Works for me... Unfortunatley... :nervous:
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I'd rather not go into details if it's all the same, but "eat a load of crap" simply isn't the right answer here.
Hey castor.. what is that stuff?
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That seems like 'Extra Virgin Olive Oil'..
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That's Bertolli, a rather fine brand for olive oil.
What kind of weight are we talking here ?
Beer-gut-type fat or overall more mass (read: more muscular mass) ?
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Steak!
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My doctor put me on a diet where I should make sure to eat plenty of fatish meat, so pork chops (shoulder joint as preferred cut, dunno the specific name in English), patatoes, and steak. Fat fish too, and those are good for other reasons as well. Eating fruit or something else sweet about 30 minutes before dinner also seems to help. Light alcoholic drinks too. (So sherry with olives, tomatoes and feta cheese is great.)
In addition to that, vitamin suplemments aren't really a good idea IIRC.
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Steroids and raw beef. Nothing builds muscle like that.
Oh, and excercise.
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Protein and Carbs man. Eggs, red meat, pasta and such like, and a fair bit of it too, in small meals throughout the day. But you need to exercise as well, otherwise it does no good.
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Building muscle is all about a balance diet and exercise. Protein is the key, like Black Wolf, Kasperl, and Goober 5000 pointed out. Calorie and the type of food you take play very important roles too.
You should have breakfast. Start doing that if you have not done so and try not to skip it.
1) Suggestion for breakfast: 1 serving of protein (such as egg, peanut better, cheese, nuts), 1 serving of whole grain carb (toast, cereal), 1 serving of fruits (citrus fruits or melon) and something to drink (tea or coffee).
2) Suggestion for lunch: 1 serving of protein (meat like steak, pork or chicken, fish), 1 serving of carb (rice, pasta), 1 serving of fruits and something to drink.
3) Suggestion for dinner: 1 serving of protein (meat like steak, pork or chicken, fish), 2 servings of veggies, 1 serving of fruits and 1 serving of ice-cream (a treat for yourself for eating well today).
I prefer tea to coffee because I don't like the taste of coffee and I think tea is a bit healthier choice. For protein, fatty fish (e.g salmon & tuna) and chicken are better than red meat. Do watch out the amount of fatty fish you eat though, because they tend to contain higher level of mercury. Have small snacks such as apples, and nuts between meals if you like. The term 1 serving usually means one cup. In some occasions, it means pieces or slices.
Last but not least, I think a 30 minute to an hour workout a day will be good enough. Swimming is a good workout if you know how to swim and have access to a pool.
I think that's pretty much it.
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Found this a while back, it pretty much covers everything to do with healthy weightgain well: Link (PDF) (http://www.health.arizona.edu/health_topics/nutrition/sports/addwt.pdf)
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By the way Kalfireth, what are your age, height, current weight and routine daily activities?
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Steak!
I agree with this. Honestly, if you want to grow out decently, you might as well have something healthy going into you. Eat steak and meat products--getting bigger with protein is much better than getting bigger with fat. I've had at least one steak every week for the past two months along with some pork chops and hamburgers (none of that fast food junk either--I'm talking about well-cooked burgers here).
Remember one thing though--well done. You want to get rid of as much of that pink as possible.
Of course, if you're a veggie, than ignore this post completely.
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But the pink tastes the best on the beef... :(
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mexican food
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By the way Kalfireth, what are your age, height, current weight and routine daily activities?
I guess I'll have to go into detail a bit after all.. this thread isn't for my benefit. It's for a relative who is about to undergo a course of chemotherapy. He apparently needs to put on some weight to counteract the side effects of the process. I hope you'll understand if I don't go into more details.
That said, thanks ever so much everyone for your help here. I'll forward the information on - I'm sure it'll be very well recieved. Thanks :)
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By the way Kalfireth, what are your age, height, current weight and routine daily activities?
I guess I'll have to go into detail a bit after all.. this thread isn't for my benefit. It's for a relative who is about to undergo a course of chemotherapy. He apparently needs to put on some weight to counteract the side effects of the process. I hope you'll understand if I don't go into more details.
That said, thanks ever so much everyone for your help here. I'll forward the information on - I'm sure it'll be very well recieved. Thanks :)
Ah, that's rough; I know a couple of people who've had to go through that, it's pretty nasty.
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Yeah, it's not an enjoyable experience that's for sure. It's strange in the U.S. though, they never suggest beefing up as far as teh cases I've seen and heard of. I know they didn't tell my Grandmother anyway. Nor my mother.
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[stereotype]Maybe many americans are plenty big enough as is? :nervous:[/stereotype]
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I see. It's more complicated than I thought because there are a lot more factors involved in the weight gain process for this type of candidates. I have a collegue who just had her second round of chemo. She completed a treatment 18 mos ago, but the disease came back. Let me know if there's anything else you need to know that I can provide. Good luck and I hope your relative will feel better and gain some weight soon.
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On a serious note, to build up muscle mass it may help to eat some protein supplements.
These usually come as a powder that can be stirred into milk for drining (tastes like crap, though), though I've seen them in candybar format as well (probably tastes like crap too, never tried em). This can help as it can be quite hard to actually eat as much meat etc. as is needed for fast weight gain if one is not used to devouring vast amounts of food every meal. I personally can't gorge like that regularly without getting sick, so a protein supplement was what I needed to help me gain a few kilos in a reasonable time.
Excercise is still needed, of course, but not *that* much. No need for dedicated body building or long distance running if the goal is simply to build up some extra muscle tissue in preparation for what's to come (which I think is a really good idea, chemo can leave people quite skinny so a preemtive strike against that makes excellent sense). 20-30 minutes twice a day, 3 days a week should really be enough if starting from the level your average non-athletic person is at. Focus on weight training (or whatever, what you need is resistance, doesn't have to be weights), not cardio, as the latter really doesn't build muscles very much at all (it helps though, as having a strong heart is just a good idea regardless of what you're getting into).
Run sequences focusing on a single muscle group at a time using a weight where you're able to lift it about 8-12 times in succession on the first run. Then take a few minutes break, and repeat until once again you can't lift it any more. Do this 3-4 times, maybe more if in good shape, and then switch to a different muscle group and repeat. If this is done consistently and the protein intake is up to the needed level, weight and muscle mass will start to arrive fairly quickly, and it should be possible to tell a clear difference after a month or so.
Remember to warm up or much pain and anguish will ensue, and be careful not to overstretch when stretching after the excercise
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I doubt a cancer recovery patient will have much energy left to do weight training or running, especially when he or she just completed chemo treatment. It is more complicated to come up with a suitable weight-gain diet for this group of individuals.
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protein shakes.
a friend of mine had his appendix removed, and he had to drink protein shakes like crazy, but it helped him gain 40 pounds within only a few weeks.
since the beginning of the year i've been drinking protein shakes, one every morning, and then one after every workout. i can notice a difference, seriously. "GNC 100% Whey Protein" is what you need. here's a guy who drank the exact same shake for four months (i know him well):
october 2004:
(http://www.swooh.com/home/lorenzo/hosted/staningpics005.jpg)
january 2005:
(http://www.swooh.com/home/lorenzo/hosted/beforafter007.jpg)
you can see a difference. obviously that's with working our 3-4 days a week for 2 hours, but nonetheless, a noticeable difference.
Also, this stuff is awesome. i have the chocolate flavor, and i could live on the stuff...
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Wow :eek2:
That reminds me about the "before & after" effect we often seen in animation :lol:
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yeah, pretty big difference in just 4 months, eh? i'm halfway done with month 2, so i'm almost halfway there. and i've noticed a pretty sizable difference.
my goal is to be able to get in a swimsuit this summer and not be ashamed of my gut, etc. and so far it's looking really, really good. i think i'll easily be able to do it.
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I wonder what will happen if you stop drinking the shake ;7
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i won't gain any more weight? ;)
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Are you sure it won't be a reverve? :)
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Bags under your armpits?
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well i plan to continue working out, so even after i stop drinking the shake, i won't revert, i just... won't gain as much weight :p
if i stop working out AND drinkin the shake, then yeah, tha'ts a different story :D
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Hmmm, sounds like a good long-term weight and muscle study. Make sure you keep me posted on your muscle building progress. ;)