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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Thorn on October 06, 2001, 08:08:00 pm
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http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/scout2.html (//"http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/scout2.html")
I finally got the bastard thing out of Homeworld. Does anyone know of a .peo to .cob or .pof converter (or to some other file format, then convert it to cob or pof, whatever FS2 uses, I cant remember).
I also need help texturing the damn thing.
Homeworld textures objects quite a bit differently than FS2. It uses multiple image files and applies them to different areas of ths ship (as you can see the on the belly of the fighter is untextured, damn thing refuses to stay on). Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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[This message has been edited by Thorn (edited 10-06-2001).]
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Blah Hurg? What prog do you view it in? What saving format options does that have?
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http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/mothership.html ("http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/mothership.html")
I managed to get the Kushan Mothership...
The textures on this one actually decided to work (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
This thing is about Colossus size, except vertical (maybe a bit bigger).
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Blah Hurg? What prog do you view it in? What saving format options does that have?
I was using 3D Exploration to view it, then convert it to a 3Ds file to play with in 3DS MAX...
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Originally posted by Thorn:
Homeworld textures objects quite a bit differently than FS2. It uses multiple image files and applies them to different areas of ths ship
To me it sounds exactly the same than FS2.
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I kin take a 3Ds... but odds are you'll lose the textures. If you have them, keep a copy and then retexture it yerself as a COB. The rest, send to [email protected]/
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Originally posted by venom2506:
To me it sounds exactly the same than FS2.
FS2 those images are all in one file..
HW its many, separate images for each part of the ship.
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Nooooo....... FS and FS2 have multiple maps per ship. Haven't you EVER looked at the mapping on a capship?
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Yeah, I have.. I just dont think youre understanding me....
HW doesnt use maps per se. It has one image file for the cockpit, one for that little red arrow under it, one for the side, whereas in FS2 one file would do all that. It may have more than one, but theyre for whole sections of the ship, like the engines, or the array...
Open up sparky_fs2.vp and look at AWACA.pcx and you'll see what I mean. Thats a map for the whole engine section of the terran awacs. In HW that would be about 16 separate files. Just for the engines alone
Very annoying.
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[This message has been edited by Thorn (edited 10-06-2001).]
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Fine. Don't. Your prob.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Fine. Don't. Your prob.
Sorry, I'm just heading off to bed now.. I'll send em in the morning.
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Originally posted by Thorn:
This thing is about Colossus size, except vertical (maybe a bit bigger).
Actually, the motherships in homeworld are way bigger than the colossus. According to the game is about or over 25 kms long (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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The ships in Homeworld sure are strange in design.
I like the Taidan Scout though. Nice design with the missle launchers(?) in front of the cockpit.
Unfortunately, I only played Homeworld Cataclysm. I don't think the Taidan Scout was inside Cataclysm.
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Cataclysm was very aptly named (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Compared to the origional it sucked big, hairy goat b***s
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It did? Well, I thought it was not bad overall.
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Originally posted by Thorn:
I was using 3D Exploration to view it, then convert it to a 3Ds file to play with in 3DS MAX...
send it to me. i can get it to work. [email protected]
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These Homeworld ships look good. You know anything about POF conversion?
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Originally posted by Thorn:
Yeah, I have.. I just dont think youre understanding me....
HW doesnt use maps per se. It has one image file for the cockpit, one for that little red arrow under it, one for the side, whereas in FS2 one file would do all that. It may have more than one, but theyre for whole sections of the ship, like the engines, or the array...
Open up sparky_fs2.vp and look at AWACA.pcx and you'll see what I mean. Thats a map for the whole engine section of the terran awacs. In HW that would be about 16 separate files. Just for the engines alone
Very annoying.
Oh... well if the UV mapping is kept, that's not a difference. Look at the model as a bunch of polys, not as a engine/main body/etc model. but if the UV coords are not kept, well it would be a pain to reapply them to the ship. I'd do the way I did for the Descent3 ships then: I made renders of the original ship from top, bottom, front, etc, and used those renders instead of the actual maps.
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Originally posted by NeoHunter:
Nice design with the missle launchers(?) in front of the cockpit.
Theyre guns, and pretty crappy ones at that.
As soon as I extract all the textures from the main HW file I'll send em off to ya Carl, I'm just having problems finding some of the textures. Apparently the file for the belly isnt there, thats why it wont show up, and I'm having trouble finding it. There are a lot of files in that Homeworld.big file (13000). And the damn thing is only 60 megs.
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I keep getting a "1006 Connection timed out" thing.
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Originally posted by Thorn:
Theyre guns, and pretty crappy ones at that.
As soon as I extract all the textures from the main HW file I'll send em off to ya Carl, I'm just having problems finding some of the textures. Apparently the file for the belly isnt there, thats why it wont show up, and I'm having trouble finding it. There are a lot of files in that Homeworld.big file (13000). And the damn thing is only 60 megs.
I'd like to have those maps... bah, If I find Homeworld, maybe I'll buy it.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
Oh... well if the UV mapping is kept, that's not a difference. Look at the model as a bunch of polys, not as a engine/main body/etc model. but if the UV coords are not kept, well it would be a pain to reapply them to the ship. I'd do the way I did for the Descent3 ships then: I made renders of the original ship from top, bottom, front, etc, and used those renders instead of the actual maps.
Ahhh, christ.. I'm an idiot... it does larger maps. There are 24 files in total, the .peo, .mex, the two page files (the large map) and 20 other texture files that only map certian small sections.
This ("http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/mothership2.html") will probably explain it better.
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Originally posted by Thorn:
Ahhh, christ.. I'm an idiot... it does larger maps. There are 24 files in total, the .peo, .mex, the two page files (the large map) and 20 other texture files that only map certian small sections.
This ("http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/mothership2.html") will probably explain it better.
homeworl is really pretty, it would be cool, a space sim with HW engine, imagine, there's loads of ships, much more than in FS, and the models are not much simpler.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
homeworl is really pretty, it would be cool, a space sim with HW engine, imagine, there's loads of ships, much more than in FS, and the models are not much simpler.
It has more detail than Freespace in some cases. Take a close look at some of the fighters, you can see the hatches, warning symbols, and other little things.
Hehe, and if you look at the Taidan Carrier right you can see a happy face.
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But that's a mapping issue. If we wanted to put all that stuff on our ships, we could easily, and use half the polys we normally do. Unfortunately, as these pics so aptly demonstrate, this method is easy to make look like utter crap- the HomeWorld ships are hideous to an extreme, whatever the quality of the game is.
And since when have I had this title?
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
HomeWorld ships are hideous to an extreme
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
If you dont like it, then why are you even bothering with it?
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Because everyone seems to think rusted-out scrapships are ugly. Like you said, it's a matter of opinion, and seeing as it's no real bother and I like to be useful, I decided to help. Question it again and I might lose interest.
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Alright.. lets just leave it at that...
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Quite. ANd besides, if you wanted to FS the textues a little before finishing off the ship, it could become a quite cool ship- seeing as now they're kinda low-res for one thing.
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Originally posted by Thorn:
http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/mothership.html ("http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/iverach/mothership.html")
I managed to get the Kushan Mothership...
i made somthing simular except the bottom splits in to two, its a anchent destroyer
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If you use bump mapping on Homeworld ships, I think they will look gorgerous. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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That'd make them good for rendering and IW2, I guess... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Hold on - IW2 does do bump-mapping, right?
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Yeah.. Just have to figure out how to do bump mapping in 3DS Max..
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Originally posted by Setekh:
These Homeworld ships look good. You know anything about POF conversion?
I've converted the Scout to COB, now I need Truespace...
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How did you convert w/o TrueSpace? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
How did you convert w/o TrueSpace? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
3D Exploration (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
nifty little program....
I dont need 3DS Max anymore to convert the ships (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) and thank god, its a frikin memory hog.
Just need to figure out how to do cob-pof now...
Then how to modify the .tbl files...
Hrm.. I'll probably have to make new primaries....
ah well...
I'm learning as I go..
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Alright.. anyone know where I can get a copy of TS for free (legally of course).
I remember a thread about some site having it available for download, but cant find it...
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http://www.pcplus.co.uk/article.asp?id=8556 ("http://www.pcplus.co.uk/article.asp?id=8556")
I'm cool, isn't it? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by venom2506:
I'm cool, isn't it? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Great english there, Venom (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Great english there, Venom (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Thorn:
Just need to figure out how to do cob-pof now...
That's an easy one. Either use one of Gary Knud's cob2fs2 utilites (available on a bunch of different sites, try Descent Developers Network) or (if you have LODs in place already) you can use Kazan's PCS utility. You can find a copy of the LOD heiarchy table somewhere in the Freespace Developer's Mailing List. It was posted sometime in July 2000 if I remember right.
Then how to modify the .tbl files...
Hrm..
Use VPView to extract the tables from the *.VP file and then open it in Notepad, Wordpad, or any other text editor. You can get VPView (and a host of other tools) from the Descent Developer's Network.
Beyond that, there's several tutorials over at Volitionwatch. You should also pay close attention to these forums. You can learn a lot here.
Freespace developer's mailing list ("http://ml.warpcore.org/fdl/")
Volitionwatch ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/")
Descent developer's network (tools page) ("http://www.descent-network.com/cgi-bin/descmanlist.cgi")
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Eyyy.. thanks for the help...
I'l have these done in no time...
I wonder if I should replace the current FS2 ships with the HW ships, or have both..
Shivans vs. Kushan/Taidan anyone?
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[This message has been edited by Thorn (edited 10-10-2001).]
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@!$#*&$!!!!!!!
I the links for the cob2fs2 program dont werk!!
Can anyone email it to me at [email protected]?
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Nm..
thanks DC..
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