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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: clueless on March 01, 2006, 04:06:59 pm
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i saw that there was a fs1 dvd available at one time. does anyone know what was on it that was different than the cd version?
was there anything different on the fs2 goty or interplay 25th anniversary editions that was different than the regular fs2 version?
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There were several FS1 versions. The one that I, personally, have, is for Pentium 3 machines only, and it has afterburner trails and planet bitmaps in the background. However, commercial versions didn't have that.
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There were several FS1 versions. The one that I, personally, have, is for Pentium 3 machines only, and it has afterburner trails and planet bitmaps in the background. However, commercial versions didn't have that.
WHOA!!!! Dude where the heck did you get that!?!?!?!?!?
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OEM with a brand new IBM computer back in 1998.
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I got it too, with a Dell in '99.
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i found a guy on ebay selling the DVD version of FS1 for $0.99! shipping and handling are $4.00, so the total came up to $5.00. i bought one, so i'll see if it's legit. the person says that there are alot in stock, and they're all brand new! the seller's i.d. is: besttickets123
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they usually are in stock... I too got my copy of Freespace 1 on ebay for like 6 or 7 bucks.....
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From researching the different parts of this forum, I read it was the OEM DVD version that contained the afterburner trails. Raa mentioned planets in the background, but Galemp didn't. Hopefully, the DVD version I bought will contain both of those items.
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Well, mine has both. Can't speak for Galemp.
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...has afterburner trails and planet bitmaps in the background. However, commercial versions didn't have that.
I AM SO ENVIOUS! :mad:
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Just kidding, but maybe I should try to find that version (fat chance). ;)
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Do you have a Pentium 3 or Pentium M machine?
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Neither.
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Then, sadly, it would't work for you. I tried to run it on my Duron system and it flat out told me "no."
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Yup, Raa is correct. That extremely elusive FS1 version only executes on a P3 or Pentium M system. A very strange decision from V, I think. I mean, why go through the trouble of making afterburner trails and planet eye candy and then not releasing it to retail..? Weirdo folks, in my view. In short, if you don't have a P3/PM system, you won't do jack with the DVD.
Cordially,
-Selectah
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I just bought an OEM DVD, but alas, no afterburners or planet backgrounds. I guess it's not the P3 one. Is the P3 OEM a CD or DVD? Does anyone know the part number of the OEM disc? I still have a P3.
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It is a DVD. No idea the part number.
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if you still have the disc, it would be the numbers/letters after P/N (Part/Number) on the face of the disc (hopefully there is a P/N there). the one i got had a P/N of 36L9195.
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I have the original locked away at home, and I have a copy with me... So I can't check.
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Then, sadly, it would't work for you. I tried to run it on my Duron system and it flat out told me "no."
Copy the effects you want to a new .vp
(Use vpview to extract, and vpmage to make the new .vp)
With a little work you could probably do it.
Also, I'm sure there's a way to hack the P3 detection...
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Then, sadly, it would't work for you. I tried to run it on my Duron system and it flat out told me "no."
Copy the effects you want to a new .vp
(Use vpview to extract, and vpmage to make the new .vp)
With a little work you could probably do it.
Also, I'm sure there's a way to hack the P3 detection...
I've been around long enough to know to have thought of that. :doubt:
The executable is what does it, not the vp files. Even Selectah tried. And no one has tried cracking the p3 exe.
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Will the retail exe run on the p3-version's vp files?
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Yes. But there will be no planets or afterburner trails. It's not in the retail code.
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Yup, Raa's right. It's in the executable, not in the .vp files. The EXE only executes properly on a P3 or PM system. No-one has to date attempted to remove the Pentium 3/M instruction set detection code. For folks who speak Assembler as their second language this would probably be a breeze; substituting JZ/JNZ code with a stream of NOP's, and so on. Perhaps a more constructive way would be to endlessly bug and pester the sweet folks at V to finally release the eye candy to the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free. As an 'update'? A non-supported patch?
Cordially,
-Selectah
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i'm surprised more people didn't bug Volition about this in the past. it's a waste. i'm glad i still have a P3 laying around.
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Many did not know that the DVD had such features.
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Be that as it may, I agree with Clueless; it's damn strange anyhow.
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clueless
i'm surprised more people didn't bug Volition about this in the past. it's a waste. i'm glad i still have a P3 laying around.
You can go to http://www.volition-inc.com/Contact and the link there (Send a message to Volition...) does work, (I got a response), but the guy who would be doing it is backed up in his work and asked me to give him a couple of months and try my request (for renders & such that they have backed up on tape) again.
So you could ask, but I'd wait 2-4 months.
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Er. Right. Don't expect a request for an 8 year old game to be patched to be taken seriously. Not saying it won't. but really, don't get our hopes up.
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i finally managed to get my hands on the fs1 P3OEM DVD. you can tell it's the right DVD if it has "CD-DVD-273-GPE" above the words "Bundled Software" on the face of the disc.
contrary to popular belief, it does work on non-P3 systems. you need to use compatibity mode on all the .exe's in the fs1 folder. i set mine to Windows 95 compatibility. everything in the fs1 p3oem folder is mostly the same as the retail version. a program called FSP3.exe is placed in the fs1 folder. it is that .exe that provides the afterburner trails and planets in the background. you also cannot use the 1.06EAX patch even though 1.06 is the version that is installed (on the bottom right, in the main hall, it states, "v1.06 (Pentium III)" as opposed to a fully patched retail version which reads "v1.06 3DNow! EAX"). the other thing that is different is the root.vp. it includes the planet pics for the backgrounds in some levels and a few different trail effects for some of the missles.
one last thing, you can install "Silent Threat" with the fs1 P3OEM DVD, but it's quite a process. here are the steps:
1. look for the registry key "FreespaceP3OEM". the path is: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Volition/FreespaceP3OEM
2. rename "FreespaceP3OEM" to "Freespace" (do not put the quotation marks)
3. make a copy of Freespace.exe, FS.exe, FSP3.exe, FRED.exe, and the root.vp and put the copies into a separate folder or onto your desktop.
4. run the Silent Threat installer.
5. run the 1.06 patch
6. run the 1.06EAX patch
7. place the Freespace.exe, FS.exe, FSP3.exe, FRED.exe, and root.vp that you placed in a separate folder (or desktop) back into the Freespace folder.
8. go back into the registry and rename "Freespace" to "FreespaceP3OEM" (do not put the quotation marks)
9. extract the ships.tbl from the mdisk.vp
10. open the ships.tbl and add these lines after the line $Score on all ships that can use afterburners:
$Etrail: 100
$EtrailAB: 100
(you may not want to put these lines in the new ships that ST introduces due to possible game instability)
11. create a Tables folder and place the newly edited ships.tbl into it.
12. place the Tables folder into the Data folder.
13. have fun!
i personally would not go through this much trouble since Silent Threat sucks IMHO.
Cheers!
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i finally managed to get my hands on the fs1 P3OEM DVD. you can tell it's the right DVD if it has "CD-DVD-273-GPE" above the words "Bundled Software" on the face of the disc.
contrary to popular belief, it does work on non-P3 systems. you need to use compatibity mode on all the .exe's in the fs1 folder. i set mine to Windows 95 compatibility. everything in the fs1 p3oem folder is the same as the retail version except for this file: FSP3.exe. it is that .exe that provides the afterburner trails and planets in the background. you also cannot use the 1.06EAX patch even though 1.06 is the version that is installed (on the bottom right, in the main hall, it states, "v1.06 (Pentium III)" as opposed to a fully patched retail version which reads "v1.06 3DNow! EAX").
You have a different DVD than I, then. Mine dod not run on anything but a P3; did not have a special fsp3.exe file, nor folder. For mine, FS.exe was the only executable besides FRED.exe and Freespace.exe
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weird. i have the same DVD as Raa, (cause it only has three exe's, but has the trails n stuff) but somehow i got it to work on my P4 with winxp. i'll try to figure out how i did it (i remember having to do something special, but i don't know what) and post here.
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Feel free to ignore this, I'm a non-coder with about no clue how much work this would take, but...
Would it be possible to rip the planet backgrounds and afterburner trails from the .vps, put them into the SCP or FSPort media vps and eventually code them into a new SCP release? This might be a better, easier fix than somehow tweaking a FS1 retail exe... but what would I know?
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P3 code should execute natively on a P4. The place you'd have trouble would be on install, where the installation program checks processor compatibility. Once you've got the exe and VPs on disk, and have the necessary registry entries, it should work seamlessly on a newer system.
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P3 code should execute natively on a P4. The place you'd have trouble would be on install, where the installation program checks processor compatibility. Once you've got the exe and VPs on disk, and have the necessary registry entries, it should work seamlessly on a newer system.
Ah, but it doesn't check upon install. I installed the FS1 on my Duron system plenty of times. It's when you try to run the app that it stops you. However, I'm begining to think the program just looks for "Genuine Intel" and "Pentium" to run. So a Pentium M, or a Pentium 4 will run it.
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AMD? That'd do it, though technically that's unnecessary as well unless they were just trying to enforce the OEM license.
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AMD? That'd do it, though technically that's unnecessary as well unless they were just trying to enforce the OEM license.
Pentium 4's and Pentium M's are built off of the original Pentium III processor so it should definitly work.....
AMDs are another story.... Like what was stated before, if it doesnt detect "Intel" or Pentium, then it wont execute...
Id like to find this DVD, maybe even a version for sale on Ebay....
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Pentium Ms are built from the Pentium3 architecture, but Pentium 4's aren't. They were a completely new architecture that just happened to execute x86, x87 and SSE code, but not in the same way that a Pentium3 does. Anyway, i'm sure it's possible to get the special edition to work on any processor that supports SSE going forward, but is it worth the effort ? Freespace 1 port looks pretty good on SCP now.
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FS1 had a much different atmosphere that FS2 cannot emulate.
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I wouldn't nessesarily say "cannot", I would say "hasn't yet."
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I wouldn't nessesarily say "cannot", I would say "hasn't yet."
-- I concur... it's just a few more modifications away from being done, I think... check the progress of FSPort!
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FS1 had a much different atmosphere that FS2 cannot emulate.
Run it in 640x480 with an all-green HUD. It works suprisingly well even with FS2.
Also, has anyone extracted those planets? FSPort would like them. :nod:
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No... FS1 felt different. Slower...
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i didn't know there were different versions of the DVD with the planets and afterburner trails! i have an AMD system and it works fine for me.
to Raa and Turey:
do you remember what version of fs1 came with your DVD? maybe that has something to do with it. v1.06 was on mine.
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Hmmmm, ive still got a pentium 3......
but not the dvd version of fs1, so instead i made myself dvd version of fs2...
Anyway so what exactly is different in this "special OEM" version? and could someone possibly intergrate the modified files with the normal version of FS1 and achieve the same results?