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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: nunix on March 15, 2006, 10:15:31 pm
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I'd use the search function, but apparently that has been turned off? restricted? -.-
Anyway, wondering if anyone has released any new Vasudan fighters to the general public. About the only designs I like at all are the Seraphis and the Ptah and, well, neither of those are the most -sturdy- of ships, you know? =p I'm beginning to muck around with FRED2 and I'd like to do some Vasudan missions (seems pretty much everything is Terran-based, which is all well and good but does get a little old). Would like a couple of new fighters to spotlight without having to do the modelling meself.
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:welcome:
Forum search may not work, but Google is an adequate substitute. ;)
There are a bunch of new models in many of the model databases, such as the Volition Watch Archives (http://archives.volitionwatch.com/) and Hades Combine (http://www.hades-combine.com/). In addition some of the hosted campaigns such as Scroll of Atankharzim (http://scroll.hard-light.net/download.html) have released models.
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I've always thought the Vasudans depended more on speed, manuverability, and rate of fire than afterburners, armor, and sheer hitting power; that's why I hate the Vasudan missions in the main campagin, sure the Bakha is better than any Terran bomber, I can still fly the Medusa better (Bakha has 620 sheilds to the Medusa's 700).
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The Bakha is pretty nice but they give it to you in the wrong situation. Bearbaiting would have been quite a bit easier you had a Sekhmet instead and a slightly different loadout. :p
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I actually modified it and played it with an Ursa, it was remarkably easy, I disabled all of the beam cannons (except the rear one you get a bonus for) and had some time to spare. No I've played other missions with the Bakha, and I still like the Medusa better, just like I like the Ursa better then the Sek... Sekh... Sekhmet. :lol:
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Yeh, I wasn't looking necessarily for a Terran-equivalent ship as far as stats go (where's my Vasudan Ares or Erinyes? ;) as much as just some more ship designs. The standard ones don't really feel like they have much personality, to me. When my favourite-looking Vasudan ship is the rearming ship and a paper-thin stealth fighter, there's a problem. ;p
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Well, I wouldn't call the Ptah paper thin, but I'd have to say my favorite looking ship in the game is the Pegasus so that's not really a bad sign. The Vasudan ships to me really do have alot of personality already. The Tauret for instance bears (bad pun) a striking resembelence ( :mad: spelling) to an animal (The Apsu-Hek to be exact :p) that really gives it a kind of personality; much more than any Terran ship (the Erinyes's personality is that of a shoe box with six guns and a missile bank stuck on).
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Tauret's okay, if a little flat. But look at, say, the Seth and the Horus. Scaled up x20 they'd make pretty decent-looking destroyers, but they don't really feel like fighter craft.
And Pegasus? Meh. Myrmidon all the way! ;D
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Myrmidon all the way! ;D
You'd probably like the GVF Shu then. It's on the Scroll of Atankarzim website.
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Just sobered up a little (never take Niquil and stay awake) and actually read your post carefully this time, rather then answering questions you never asked and arguing every point... I think the Inferno campagin has some zod fighters, it's a 100+ MB campagin, but it's a shot. As far as I've seen Terran warships are the most popular things to model, putting Vasudan figters on a back burner, where's Raa, I summon the resident Vasudan.
:headz:
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I'm a lizard.
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Re: Shu: yar, I saw that, snagged a copy. Although I keep thinking: there was a Vasudan who lived in a Shu; he had so many guns, he didn't know what to do!
Re: Inferno: Cool, I'll check it out.
Re: Terran supremicests: also-yar, I think we're more comfortable designing Terran ships in general and they appeal to a kind of standard aesthetic we have. I'm not that keen on the Vasudan designs in general, but I think the Vasudans themselves have been pretty under-represented so far (there's the Scroll campaign, which is cool, but I haven't even seen any 5-6 mission strings centered on Vasudan flying) and just want some more ship variety, yaknow?
Anyway. Shall try on a Shu and see how it fits. Snicker, snicker, et cetera.
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nukemod has like 2 vasuden fighters and a bomber. theyre older models with spliced textures and i havent gotten around to hi-polying them yet.
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Re: Terran supremicests: also-yar, I think we're more comfortable designing Terran ships in general and they appeal to a kind of standard aesthetic we have. I'm not that keen on the Vasudan designs in general, but I think the Vasudans themselves have been pretty under-represented so far (there's the Scroll campaign, which is cool, but I haven't even seen any 5-6 mission strings centered on Vasudan flying) and just want some more ship variety, yaknow?
Well, since we're all (mostly :nervous:) human, it makes sense that we, as ship designer/modellers, find it easier to create Terran ships since we only have to think and design as a human would (if that makes sense)
But the Vasudans and Shivan... their designed with an alien mindframe that can be very hard to enter...
From what I've gathered, Shivans suffer worse that Vasudans though. Partly because everyone has differant ideas on what is a 'Shivan' design...
Then again, there's massive varity with Terran designs too...
Anyway, back on topic... yes there's the Shu, and I recall someone (Raa?) making a 'bulked-out' Serpis called the Saqqura...Saqqu... something like that.
And personally, I've always thought the Myrmindon was more a Vasudan craft than Terran...
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Terrans are more fun than Vasudans.
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I think when it comes down to it, some of us simply don't have the skills to produce a ship that really looks Vasudan. Those smooth, sweeping curves are harder to produce then Terran boxy or Shivan spikey.
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i should do more vasudan designs, as the well curved look is something im good at.
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I think when it comes down to it, some of us simply don't have the skills to produce a ship that really looks Vasudan. Those smooth, sweeping curves are harder to produce then Terran boxy or Shivan spikey.
I never though that, to be honest I reckon Vasudan ships are in some ways a lot easier, as you can derive a lot of ideas from simple natural shapes like shells, flowers, etc that have a smooth geometry yet have enough of an 'alien' feel to work.
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I think when it comes down to it, some of us simply don't have the skills to produce a ship that really looks Vasudan. Those smooth, sweeping curves are harder to produce then Terran boxy or Shivan spikey.
I never though that, to be honest I reckon Vasudan ships are in some ways a lot easier, as you can derive a lot of ideas from simple natural shapes like shells, flowers, etc that have a smooth geometry yet have enough of an 'alien' feel to work.
See, you say that, but with every Vasudan design, my own included, that weren't made from V concept art, none look fitting, nor Vasudan. They all tend to look... bloated, or waspy, or what have you. But never Vasudan.
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I wouldn't say every design, Raa. The GVF Reshef (aldo's) is very good, as is the GVCv Udjat (the rear end of which was actually made by you), and neither of those were based on V art.
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(http://www.game-warden.com/nukemod-cos/Images/apis.jpg)
(http://www.game-warden.com/nukemod-cos/Images/atlas.jpg)
theyre older models but they still look pretty nice.
yea right, at my first opritunity im hipolying them and giving them 2048^2 textures :D
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I wouldn't say every design, Raa. The GVF Reshef (aldo's) is very good, as is the GVCv Udjat (the rear end of which was actually made by you), and neither of those were based on V art.
Aroo? What was designed by me? What is this Udjat that I don't remember?
And I barely recall the Reshef, but if it's the one I'm thinking, then, yeah, you're right. It's about the only ship I can accept as Vasudan.
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Man, that thing looks like one of those fighters in revenge of the sith...
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The Udjat (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,30735.0.html") (final textures remain under review) includes some bits that were made by you many moons ago. The rear nacelle things, in particular. They came from an old model that I was originally going to use, but then Galemp and I brainstormed together to come up with this new improved version.
Incidentally, the process I used to come up with the concept (which is pretty much intact, albeit with some minor modifications as Galemp and I discussed it further while he modelled it for me) involved looking at canon Vasudan ships, thinking about the design style evidenced in them, and then incorporating elements from them to make the new ship. It seems to have worked very well.
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What size class is that Udjat, Ses? And when would it be considered finish-ed and available for dropping into some missions? ;)
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The Udjat (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,30735.0.html") (final textures remain under review) includes some bits that were made by you many moons ago. The rear nacelle things, in particular. They came from an old model that I was originally going to use, but then Galemp and I brainstormed together to come up with this new improved version.
Me? I don't recall having anything to do with that. :wtf: Am I going senile?
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See, you say that, but with every Vasudan design, my own included, that weren't made from V concept art, none look fitting, nor Vasudan. They all tend to look... bloated, or waspy, or what have you. But never Vasudan.
The problem comes if people work even partially from the concept art; the trick has to be to find the inspiration for the concept art, right back to the original source, and work forward. Otherwise it's derivative or accentuates types of detail too much.
In any case, Vasudan is kind of in the eye of the beholder; there's no universal definition for it, and the featuresyou pick as vasudan or not are the ones people might feel the opposite about. Plus sometimes the ships from V concepts don't look Vasudan anyways; after all, there's likely a reason those concepts weren't used.
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Man, that thing looks like one of those fighters in revenge of the sith...
they probibly got the idea from me, seeing as those 2 ships are really really old models, actually they predate the scp.
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The Udjat a corvette. And it'll be available when the campaign is released. (Nice try.)
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The Udjat (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,30735.0.html") (final textures remain under review) includes some bits that were made by you many moons ago. The rear nacelle things, in particular. They came from an old model that I was originally going to use, but then Galemp and I brainstormed together to come up with this new improved version.
Me? I don't recall having anything to do with that. :wtf: Am I going senile?
It looks almost entirely different. In fact, it is an entirely new model except for those couple bits I liked that I cut off of your model and used again. I'm not surprised you don't recognise them. I'd show you a picture of the old model, but I seem to have discarded them.