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Title: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Kosh on March 16, 2006, 11:51:50 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11863165/


I really wonder, what is the point of the extra security if it totally fails these tests?
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Flipside on March 16, 2006, 11:57:13 pm
Great excuse to introduce even more security measures though ;)
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Mefustae on March 17, 2006, 12:51:28 am
It's not that surprising. For all the calls for enhanced security measures and safeguards, Americans don't want them. Well, that is to say, they do want them, but they're not prepared in the slightest to make any sacrifices to their cushy-lifestyles, such as having to wait an extra hour in an airport getting screened, or on a highway as vehicals are checked. Beefed up security measures are all well & good in the days following something like 9/11, but after a few weeks everyone goes back to their selfish selves.
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Flipside on March 17, 2006, 12:55:10 am
Interesting to note that despite these supposed 'terrible' security measures and the alleged vehemence against America, that not one single attack has taken place?
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 17, 2006, 01:01:39 am
Basic, vital thing to understand about security is that you are essentially only as secure as your worst enemy thinks you are. They think we're secure. Whether we are or not doesn't much matter.
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Flipside on March 17, 2006, 01:04:19 am
Possibly, but in the face of fundamentalists who hate America beyond reason, I don't think anyone's even really been stopped from trying. There was the Shoe Bomber who was British, and a couple of pranks that ended in tears, and someone who wasn't allowed to bring their action man aboard because he was carrying a gun, but, correct me if I'm wrong, no-one has ever been arrested for trying to get an explosive device onto an aircraft. This is completely beside the fact that 9/11 didn't involve explosive devices either.
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Martinus on March 17, 2006, 05:15:05 am
Possibly, but in the face of fundamentalists who hate America beyond reason, I don't think anyone's even really been stopped from trying. There was the Shoe Bomber who was British, and a couple of pranks that ended in tears, and someone who wasn't allowed to bring their action man aboard because he was carrying a gun, but, correct me if I'm wrong, no-one has ever been arrested for trying to get an explosive device onto an aircraft. This is completely beside the fact that 9/11 didn't involve explosive devices either.
Other than the devices the U.S. government used to bring down the buildings you mean? ;)
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: aldo_14 on March 17, 2006, 07:54:02 am
Basic, vital thing to understand about security is that you are essentially only as secure as your worst enemy thinks you are. They think we're secure.

What makes you think that?
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Grug on March 17, 2006, 08:54:38 am
Other than the devices the U.S. government used to bring down the buildings you mean? ;)


LoL. Conspiricy theory's FTW! :p
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: vyper on March 17, 2006, 09:16:43 am
... no I suspect he means the charges that were built into the twin towers so they could be collapsed under controlled conditions should they have ever become a danger to the surrounding buildings.
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Ulala on March 17, 2006, 12:28:16 pm
Which could point to the governments prior knowledge to the attacks, blah blah blah...
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: vyper on March 17, 2006, 01:48:16 pm
Hows that?
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Roanoke on March 17, 2006, 03:40:50 pm
doesn't actually say what it was they got through the security.....
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Sandwich on March 17, 2006, 04:01:27 pm
Pathetic.
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 17, 2006, 10:19:58 pm
What makes you think that?

Because if they're trying, it's not like they're trying very hard.
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Blue Lion on March 18, 2006, 01:20:24 am
Until they blow something up tommorow and you find out they've been working on it for 4 years.  It took many many years to plan the attacks they pulled off.

They're not stupid, and they didn't just give up. And they certainly don't think we're secure. We tell everyone we aren't pretty much all the time.
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: Mefustae on March 18, 2006, 02:17:13 am
...Maybe the threat is just way, way overblown... I mean, more people have been killed by car-accidents than terrorists in the past four years.

Then again, for all we know there could have been plots to nuke New York that were detected and stopped. It's completely logical that they wouldn't want to inform the public, as it would just freak dumb-people out [which seem to be the majority in the US :p) and cause unneccesary panic.
Title: Re: So much for "increased security measures"
Post by: aldo_14 on March 18, 2006, 08:32:44 am
What makes you think that?

Because if they're trying, it's not like they're trying very hard.

You didn't have any attacks for about 10 years or so before 9/11, it didn't mean it was any more secure.