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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: TrashMan on March 24, 2006, 06:31:15 am
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Alcohol = evil.
thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.
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Alcohol = evil.
thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.
:wtf:
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Alcohol = evil.
thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.
In other news, Ireland and most of California was swiped clean off the map as an Eastern European dictator rose to power...
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...:wtf:
That's one of the most incredible blanket-statement's I've heard in my life.
You do realise that this would include Christ who turned water into wine?
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Alcohol = evil.
thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.
That's true. Every morning I wake up and think, "thank **** Trashman isn't in a position of power". I mean, you'd have universal CCTV surveillance, racial profiling, etc but you'd ban alcohol?
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You do realise that this would include Christ who turned water into wine?
That's a really horrible example.
I mean, they nailed the guy to a cross and stabbed him with a spear for that ****, and since then everything's been coming up roses.
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:lol: Well, it was good for the soil ;)
Seriously though, defining a fermented mixture as 'evil' is kinda silly to say the least, that's the only reason I used the analogy. The Egyptians and Syrians were brewing beer thousands of years ago (and snorting cocaine) and STILL managed to get the Pyramids built, possibly in record time of they had enough coke.
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They built dozens of huge stone pyramids.
Huge. Stone. Pyramids.
And you're trying to tell me that snorting cocaine and drinking beer aren't evil?
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They also worked out enough of geometry and architecture to be able to build them, as well as astronomy and mathmatics skills. This was also at a stage where other races were busy hitting each over the head with big sticks....
So I think that's a Yes.
Strictly speaking, the coke was more of a Pharoic habit, and all they had to do was be figureheads, admittedly ;)
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They built dozens of huge stone pyramids.
Yep, anything's possible with hard work, determination, and a seemingly-endless supply of Hebrew slaves.
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They didn't use slaves to build the pyramids, they used work-gangs who were hired. It was the need for those work gangs that led, in part, to the creation of agriculture. Also, this was long before the Israelites were in Egypt.
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...The Egyptians and Syrians were brewing beer thousands of years ago (and snorting cocaine) and STILL managed to get the Pyramids built, possibly in record time of they had enough coke.
I sincerely doubt that Egyptians and Syrians of the Old Age would've had cocaine at their disposal, as the coca (Erythroxylum coca) actually originates in South America. On the other hand, the point itself is valid, as Peruvian indians for example did chew coca all the time and still managed to build, say, Machu Picchu. Granted that coca leaves themselves are quite mild stuff compared to crystalline cocaine itself - alcaloid consentration is not very remarkable on leaves themselves.
On the old world, however, cannabis and opium have been known for a long time, not to mention King Alcohol.
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Hmmm.. coulda been Opium I was thinking of, which makes the pyramids even more of an achievment ;)
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Alcohol = evil.
thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.
this is interesting and i would like to know jsut why and how you have arrived in such a conclusion
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You do realise that this would include Christ who turned water into wine?
No it would not. The Bible refers to 'new wine', or unfermented. It was plain grape juice. Do some research.
The Bible contains plenty of references saying to abstain from alcohol.
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It was Satire ;)
Trust me, if I wanted to point out the fallacies of Alcohol with reasonable comments, I'd pick a better example.
I rest my case about Pedantics anonymous...
Of course, I just realised....It's Springtime....
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You do realise that this would include Christ who turned water into wine?
No it would not. The Bible refers to 'new wine', or unfermented. It was plain grape juice. Do some research.
The Bible contains plenty of references saying to abstain from alcohol.
Dude, the master of a wedding banquet knows the difference between wine and grape juice. Plus he pronounced Jesus's vintage better than all the others.
There's also this:
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." '
They couldn't accuse him of being a drunkard if he never drank wine.
There's nothing wrong with drinking. Getting drunk is a different matter, of course. :) Regardless, this is about privacy, not drinking vs. staying sober.
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And for extra clarification...
John 2:1-11
Three days later Mary, the mother of Jesus, was at a wedding feast in the village of Cana in Galilee. 2 Jesus and his disciples had also been invited and were there.
3 When the wine was all gone, Mary said to Jesus, “They don’t have any more wine.”
4 Jesus replied, “Mother, my time hasn’t yet come! You must not tell me what to do.”
5 Mary then said to the servants, “Do whatever Jesus tells you to do.”
6 At the feast there were six stone water jars that were used by the people for washing themselves in the way that their religion said they must. Each jar held about twenty or thirty gallons. 7 Jesus told the servants to fill them to the top with water. Then after the jars had been filled, 8 he said, “Now take some water and give it to the man in charge of the feast.”
The servants did as Jesus told them, 9 and the man in charge drank some of the water that had now turned into wine. He did not know where the wine had come from, but the servants did. He called the bridegroom over 10 and said, “The best wine is always served first. Then after the guests have had plenty, the other wine is served. But you have kept the best until last!”
11 This was Jesus’ first miracle, and he did it in the village of Cana in Galilee. There Jesus showed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.
You mean they served the bad grape juice first??
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Jesus never drank an alcoholic beverage.
http://www.av1611.org/drug.html
About 3/4th's down the page:
What about when Jesus turned the water into wine at the marriage in Cana. If Jesus Christ turned water into fermented liquor, he directly disobeyed Habakkuk 2:15, "Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also . . ." And, if Jesus disobeyed Habakkuk - HE WAS A SINNER! The Bible makes it very clear in 1 Peter 2:22, 2 Corinthians 5:21, and other verses - THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SIN!
The KJV Bible clearly states that alcohol is a sin and has dire consequences. In Proverbs 23:
"Who hath WOE? Who hath SORROW? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? THEY THAT TARRY LONG AT THE WINE; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it BITETH LIKE A SERPENT, AND STINGETH LIKE AN ADDER. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things."
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No, if you sought to make another person drunk using alcohol then you are a sinner, not if you give him an alcooholic beverage, both those quotes say nothing of drinking, only of drunkeness. It does not imply that drinking in moderate amounts is wrong in any way. It does not say 'They that drink wine', it says 'They that tarry long', in others, 'They that spend too long drinking'.
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Can I just ask that you read the page I linked to?
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Alcohol = evil.
thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.
Just so we're clear...you have drank before? And gotten drunk?
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Can I just ask that you read the page I linked to?
I did, it did nothing for me, once again, it mentions alcoholism, abuse of the beverage. No-one here is arguing that being drunk reguarly is wrong, that doesn't mean alcohol is wrong. I, for one, am dead against people drinking and driving at all, but that doesn't mean I'm against people drinking in moderation.
My problem is with the association that alcohol=evil, is spurious. Drinking to the point of losing control could be considered as evil, though I prefer to think of it as dangerous. However, walking into a bar and arresting people for it is a whole other matter, not because of the dangers, but because of the hypocrisy. And, I hold that opinion whilst not having had anything more than a small glass of alcohol at Christmas or New Year for about 6 years now. But simply stomping into a Bar and arresting people for being drunk is a really stupid way of dealing with the problem, Prohibition pushed the problem underground last time, it will do so again this time, and then it will be far far harder to help the addicts, and far more difficult to monitor drinking habits and problems. At least whilst people are drinking in the Bar, the Police can do what they do in the UK and wait outside to see who tries to get in a car, I don't have a problem with that at all.
People wandering in the streets can be dangerous, but once more, that is more the realm of people with drinking problems not people who simply enjoy a drink from time to time. I've always been against chastising the guilty alongside the innocent, that is also a sin, as far as I'm concerned. Remember, people who are Drunk may not be walking home, or driving home, they may catch public transport or be getting a lift home with a Designated Driver. If you arrest all people who simply dared to have a glass or two too many, who may, for example, be celebrating their Birthday and only ever do this once a year, how can that be justified as the right thing to do, especially if they have a safe means to return home? Simply writing off alcohol and pretending the Bible is against even having a glass of wine is wrong, it is misinterpretation. The communion, in the eyes of Catholics, involves the transformation of wine into the Blood of Christ, and that takes place in a church.
Whilst I understand your concerns about alcoholism, I'm afraid that trying to turn it into a religous crusade against any intake of alcohol whatsoever just doesn't ride with me at all.
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I am a Independent Baptist; I stand on the KJV, and have no qualms about it. I will take a stand when I can.
Let me say one last thing.
brain cells are the only cells that do not reproduce ...
according to studies by Dr. Melvin H. Kinsley, brain damage occurs progressively from THE VERY FIRST DRINK
The Bible has been proven true numerous times. This is no exception.
Thanks for your time.
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http://www.docguide.com/dg.nsf/DGNews/670CECC966263FE9852566AB00508BB2
http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/14738?fulltext=true&print=yes
http://cwx.prenhall.com/bookbind/pubbooks/morris4/medialib/readings/nerves.html
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/22/1728_55460
It's amazing how common that misconception is to be honest :)
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I am a Independent Baptist; I stand on the KJV, and have no qualms about it. I will take a stand when I can.
Steel, your zeal is commendable but your focus is misplaced IMHO. I think KJV-only-ism causes many people to stumble, not because it's wrong, but because it causes them to take their focus off God and turn it toward nitpicking and legalism. For instance, the page you linked to is long on emotional appeal and short on scripture.
The KJV is good for a lot of things, like poetry and traditional quotes like Luke 2, but it's not well suited for other things, like personal study, simply because it's written in outmoded language. I recommend checking out some other versions, like NIV or NASB or RSV, and just asking God to show you stuff. I'm sure the KJV isn't the only accurate translation out there. God's Word isn't that fragile. :)
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drunks arent worthy of my hate. really i hate people who own cars far more, kill them! i think this can be a form of discrimination. it means that the cops will target the drunkest person. (anyone who goes to bars alot knows the type, the one thats there every day and sounds like barney from the simpsons. i find this is discrimination against alchoholics. furthermore this goes along the lines of police becoming judges, i dont like the idea of cops getting to decide who gets arrested. furthermore it might be more cost effective to simply have the cops give the person a ride home, rather than taking him to the drunk tank. i also dont think a fine is fair, an night in jail is punishment enough. an arreest should not be the only police tool for maintaining order. fear of punishment doesnt seem to work in the case of getting drunk. also there are other more peacefull ways to prevent drunken driving. such as bars providing a "drunk van" or issuing free bus tokens or cab vouchers. many cab companies offer reduced fares, or free rides to people who go out drinking. another way is to encourage drivers to not take their cars to the bar. limit parking space to designated drivers only or put tire-popper spikes in the bar parking lot that may be controlled by the bartenders. surely funding regular sting operations and jailing peope maay be more expensive than alternative means. also id rather police officers look for real crime, than waste time sitting at a bar, waiting for somone do do something stupid.
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I've never drank, not for any religious reason. Drink or don't. Leave that part of it alone. Let's talk about the joy of it being illegal to be drunk in a bar. Twas funny.
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Heck, I've got nothing against what the guy chooses to believe, I'm not an overtly religious man myself, but I respect religion in others. But that site blames 35% of rapes on Alcohol for example, personally I blame 100% of rapes on rapists. I have a natural tendency against pointing at one thing and saying this is todays great evil, that way lay Jack Thompson.
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Goober,
There are a couple of books I would like to point you toward. Copies aren't that hard to find and e-copies can be found if needed.
An Understandable History of the Bible by Samuel C. Gipp
Final Authority by William P. Grady
Please read one or both of these, they show how the KJV was translated (openly) and how the RSV, the one all other translations are based off of, was translated (behind closed doors).
I now stand on the KJV and will always stand on the KJV.
PS. Flipside: You have to admit that alcohol causes a person to do things they would not normally do.
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Drinking water in Jerusalem would be vastly more devastating to the body than drinking a fermented drink. As such, I believe there is a difference between getting drunk and drinking for sustenance in biblical terms. On the other hand, in the modern world where clean water is plentiful for the most part, alcoholic consumption is solely for inebriation, and as such, pretty damn stupid.
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I'd say there are two schools of thought on the effects of alcohol on people...
Some people see it as an inhibition breaker, it makes people do things they are often tempted to do, but their own sense of morals and or decorum holds them back, this depends on whether you hold to the idea that thinking a girl attractive + alcohol can turn you into a rapist or not, or at least make you place your own desires above anyone else's.
Other people think that alcohol makes you do things that it would never ever enter your head to do, even in the realm of fantasizing.
I'm more inclined, personally, towards the first school of though. You are more selfish, when you are drunk and less aware of your surroundings. Moderation in drinking just makes you relaxed, over-drinking can make you let go entirely. However, people can become like that with frustration or anger as well, alcohol is not the only key. Banning alcohol entirely punishes all for the actions of a few. A very large percentage of people who get drunk don't do anything more terrible than wonder why they woke up hugging a traffic cone, they are not a threat or a danger. I will admit that some people are a problem when they are inebriated, but does that mean that all drinkers have to be punished for those actions?
I made my own choice to be pretty much tea-total, not because of my behaviour when I am drunk but simply because I dislike the feeling of being drunk, the Police's job is to serve and to protect, not to judge or to go seeking reasons to find fault. If the person needs protecting, or if someone needs protecting from that person, then the Police should intervene but arresting someone for being drunk and claiming it is for their own good, whilst slapping on a fine, is neither serving them, nor protecting them.
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Goober,
There are a couple of books I would like to point you toward. Copies aren't that hard to find and e-copies can be found if needed.
An Understandable History of the Bible by Samuel C. Gipp
Final Authority by William P. Grady
I dunno, Steel, I could probably point you toward a few books that take the opposite position. I guess all I can do is plead Romans 14:1-4 and say that God has done incredible things for me despite the fact that I primarily read and study from the NIV. :)
I made my own choice to be pretty much tea-total
:lol:
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I advocate more discriminating taste in alcohol so most people won't be able to afford to get drunk, since they won't be able to swallow the bottled urine that passes for beer in America.
Seriously though, I hate being drunk, but there's nothing like a couple of drinks with dinner just to make you feel at ease with the world, especially in the summer.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong as long as you know what you're doing, and know when to just plain stop. If I'm doing anything like this, it's usually one-two drinks of something hard, no beer, no chasers, just give it to me quick so I don't have to keep chugging rocky mountain pisswater.
But if we're banning alcohol, can we ban Jager first? I had one shot of Jager (Liquid Licorice) just the other day for the first time, just to see what it's like. Apparently, Utah boys chug that **** by the gallon, that and everclear. One shot of that and I just about died. The taste stuck with me for about eight hours, and ruined the Absolut I was about to enjoy.
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This is a funny topic :lol:
But now tjhat I have a moment of seriousness... I'll say something to the bible quoters. Why are you waasrting your time here? You don't even know if these people deserve your flood of "reason". Instead, go you at firday night and find someone who looks like he might be drinking alcohol. And the preach to him. Me and my friends have had plenty of fun listening to people who emerge from a "Jesus saves" bus. Naturally you have to be sufficently intoxicated for it to be fun (too drunk and it starts to sound rational).
Then I'll say something to the drunkards. WHO CARES! Let them preach. Let them drag you to the station. Have fun. Live fast, die young, and all that ****. Just don't kill anyone in the progress. If you do kill someone, then an alcohol ban for life, and a tattoo on your forhead.
As for us social drinkers. We just have a cold beer after sauna, relax and let others fight it out. :pimp:
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I am a Independent Baptist; I stand on the KJV, and have no qualms about it. I will take a stand when I can.
Let me say one last thing.
brain cells are the only cells that do not reproduce ...
according to studies by Dr. Melvin H. Kinsley, brain damage occurs progressively from THE VERY FIRST DRINK
The Bible has been proven true numerous times. This is no exception.
Thanks for your time.
http://www.docguide.com/dg.nsf/DGNews/670CECC966263FE9852566AB00508BB2
http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/14738?fulltext=true&print=yes
http://cwx.prenhall.com/bookbind/pubbooks/morris4/medialib/readings/nerves.html
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/22/1728_55460
It's amazing how common that misconception is to be honest :)
PWNED
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The KJV Bible clearly states that alcohol is a sin and has dire consequences.
I am a Independent Baptist; I stand on the KJV, and have no qualms about it. I will take a stand when I can.
Ok, since you're new around here, I'll introduce myself so you know where I'm coming from. Hi, my name is Michael, and I do indeed live in Jerusalem, Israel. I am a Messianic Jew (which is a fancy-schmancy way of saying that I believe in Jesus just like you do, just I happen to also be Jewish, just like He was). Also, most importantly for this discussion, I am fluent in both English and Hebrew. Ok, so...
The KJV, in my eyes, cannot be relied upon as an accurate translation in any way, shape, or form. Yes, God will still use it for His purposes, but that doesn't vouch for its validity. Just like God made use of evil (the Holocaust) to bring about good (His keeping His promises and returning the Jewish people home, to Israel). Note I'm not saying the KJV is evil... I'm just saying that something does not have to be perfect for God to make use of it.
Why do I say this? Simple: The King James version (which, I hate to break it to you, is not what Jesus read... ;)) translates Exodus 20:13 thus: "Thou shalt not kill." This is at best an innocent mistranslation, and at worst an alteration of God's direct commandment. The Hebrew reads "לא תרצח" (Lo tir'tzach), which is "You shall not murder." Check out the Strong's: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1143283060-5234.html#13
Think about that. "Don't kill" vs. "Don't murder". There's a whopping big difference. Had God commanded the children of Israel not to kill, then He would have made a hypocrite of Himself 40 years later by sending them throughout the land of Cannan, waging war on all those ____ites. But He commanded them not to murder, a "little" detail the KJV somehow has glossed over.
I second Goober's recommendation, that you diversify your knowledge of God's Word by reading more than just the KJV alone. In particular, the NASB is renowned for its accuracy.
If you're gonna nitpick about something (consumption of alcohol according to the Bible), then make sure that your basis for said nitpicking is as accurate as it can be. Claiming the KJV to be the be-all and end-all of your faith is, to be blunt, walking with eyes wide shut. God warns that we should be awake, be aware, on the lookout, be watchmen, that we may not be decieved. Open your eyes and make sure that the truth your walk is based upon is indeed the Truth, and not merely man's version of it.
Drinking water in Jerusalem would be vastly more devastating to the body than drinking a fermented drink.
Wha...??
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nothing wrong with beer
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brain cells are the only cells that do not reproduce ...
according to studies by Dr. Melvin H. Kinsley, brain damage occurs progressively from THE VERY FIRST DRINK
Ah, a citation of a study with no supporting link, no context, and by an author whose name doesn't appear in any google searches except in copies of that webpage.
BUT! There is a neurologist called Dr. Craig H. Kinsley (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/news/experts/kinsley.html). So let's try and find what he said on the brain & alcohol.... http://www.richmond.edu/~ckinsley/papers.pdf shows 2 papers from 1981, neither of which I can find the text of. So we have a text that may or may not be from a 24 year old study, placed without context (and I'd wager twisted out of context, as it's not even a paraphrase), with no link to the study it purports to come from, and with at best the wrong author name (and at worst is completely made up, including the author).
And you'd cite this as evidence?!
The Bible has been proven true numerous times. This is no exception.
Thanks for your time.
Pi? 'Firmament'?
Also, isn't there stuff in Deuteronomy about plundering captured cities and killing all the women and children? Let's not even try and get into picking the rights and wrongs of using a translated & interpreted text to decide what's right for society..... at best it's unfair to everyone else. Hell, just look at the preceeding pages over which is the correct translation, if any.
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And you'd cite this as evidence?!
Ahh yes, but when did fundies ever care about evidence?
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Alcohol = evil.
thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.
Family problems? :(
It is the person that is being bad, not the alcohol. Each to their own though.
If someone is an idiot when they drink, they shouldn't drink.
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Steel, your zeal is commendable but your focus is misplaced IMHO. I think KJV-only-ism causes many people to stumble, not because it's wrong, but because it causes them to take their focus off God and turn it toward nitpicking and legalism. For instance, the page you linked to is long on emotional appeal and short on scripture.
Hmmmmmm, now that word itself is very interesting. The dictionary says this.
nit·pick Audio pronunciation of "nitpicking" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ntpk)
intr.v. nit·picked, nit·pick·ing, nit·picks
To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details.
Now if we go by what God said in the Bible about all sin being the same, shoulkdn't we all try to nitpick? No large sin and no small sin. So, by not nitpicking, you are therefore letting that sin slip right between your captain's quarters.
But, back on subject, I say drink you butt off, it's your life, so you can deal with health problems, law problems, yatta yatta yatta. Just keep it to yourself, and not drag others into it by the way of car crashes, robbery, ect.
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Ahh yes, but when did fundies ever care about evidence?
Or taking into account that the "blood of Jesus" that they drink is 75% of the time mild alcohol...
I dunno, Steel, I could probably point you toward a few books that take the opposite position. I guess all I can do is plead Romans 14:1-4 and say that God has done incredible things for me despite the fact that I primarily read and study from the NIV.
I have to agree with Goober. I primarily read NIV for when I just want to read the Bible, but KJV mostly for when I want to stick a quote from Revelation at the beginning of a chapter. KJV's more quotable in terms of single lines, but NIV is much more comprehensible (i.e. not using ye olde english).
Alcohol itself is not evil. People who drink in excess or to escape from reality are the real problem, and that's where the problems tend to lie. But then again, I hardly have any experience in this matter, as I live in what could possibly be the most sheltered community in the USA...
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Drinking water in Jerusalem would be vastly more devastating to the body than drinking a fermented drink.
Wha...??
At the time of course. The waterways were also the sewers.
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Well, I'm a drinker. Hell, in the technical parlance, I'm a binge drinker. But, I've never killed anyone, raped anyone, hurt anyone, or even seriously offended anyone so far as I know. I don't drink drive, Alcohol hasn't served as a stepping stone to harder drugs. I've never done anything more embarassing than some stupid dancing, and once waking up next to a chick who nearly turned me religious (I thank God I was definitely too drunk to have gotten hard enough to have sex with her). I've vomitted, passed out in gardens, forgotten things the next morning, and been hung over out the wazoo.
On the other hand, I've done things I'd never otherwise have done. I've made friends I'll have for life, I've learned the words to dozens of classic songs, gotten laid, improved my relationship with my Dad, and had a crapload of fun doing all of it. So quite frankly, I don't really care what most of you fundy buggers think - Alcohol is fun, and it's done me no harm, and I can guarantee that a few quotes from the bible aren't going to impact on the billions of people in the world today and the billions of people throughout history who've had the same opinions.
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*cheers*
Worthy of Mr Churchill, I'm sure.
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nothing wrong with beer
except for the taste...
im an everclear guy myself. get it over with quick and enjoy the effects.
and as for the religious aspect. religion is silly, and completely unneccesary in the modern world. also, i was raised muslim, so i have nothing but contempt for translated versions of religious text. i also have nothing but contempt for israel, but im not gonna go convince sandwich to move or anything.
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Well turning this around from the dark path of religion:
Alcohol use (other than eating the occassional fruit gone bad to get drunk that we see in not only humans) goes hand in hand with agriculture and stratified societies.
So, is alcohol evil by association with coercive power structures?
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What blackwolf said. Getting drunk with friends is a right of passage.
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The best thing about drinking is that you can have fun even when the bottles are emptied.
In Soviet Russia, Motolov Cocktail throws you.
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I think you meant to say "In Soviet Russia, Molotov throws cocktail at you!". Drunken old bastard.
This also brings up serious doubts as to whether TrashMan is in fact Croatian. Croatia (and much of the Balkan region) would hardly be what it is without copious amounts of rakija, homebrewed.
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Of all the nations on the planet, why the hell would anyone fake being from Croatia.
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Obviously because it boasts the internationally celebrated Baroque poet of the Counter-Reformation, Ivan Dživo Gundulić!
Hey, you know I'm no fan of national pride, but I'm just saying what I know everyone was thinking.
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RofLs!
:wakka:
Well, I'm a drinker. Hell, in the technical parlance, I'm a binge drinker. But, I've never killed anyone, raped anyone, hurt anyone, or even seriously offended anyone so far as I know. I don't drink drive, Alcohol hasn't served as a stepping stone to harder drugs. I've never done anything more embarassing than some stupid dancing, and once waking up next to a chick who nearly turned me religious (I thank God I was definitely too drunk to have gotten hard enough to have sex with her). I've vomitted, passed out in gardens, forgotten things the next morning, and been hung over out the wazoo.
On the other hand, I've done things I'd never otherwise have done. I've made friends I'll have for life, I've learned the words to dozens of classic songs, gotten laid, improved my relationship with my Dad, and had a crapload of fun doing all of it. So quite frankly, I don't really care what most of you fundy buggers think - Alcohol is fun, and it's done me no harm, and I can guarantee that a few quotes from the bible aren't going to impact on the billions of people in the world today and the billions of people throughout history who've had the same opinions.
I'll drink to that! :beerchug:
Ed: omg what happened to the beerchug emote!? *cries*
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This also brings up serious doubts as to whether TrashMan is in fact Croatian. Croatia (and much of the Balkan region) would hardly be what it is without copious amounts of rakija, homebrewed.
Of course the real irony is that as far as I've been able to assertain he's also catholic. Which surely means that the blood of Christ is evil.
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And karajorma sinks one in the corner pocket! Zing!
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Just do way i do and drink virtually nothing but coke.
And i just wanna say that if you want to stay completely away from alchohol than that's actually not a bad idea. no drinking at all = 0% chance of getting drunk. However, drinking one glass of red wine a day is supposed to be good for you.
I personally almost never drink. I just don't like how it tastes.
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Just do way i do and drink virtually nothing but coke.
I personally almost never drink. I just don't like how it tastes.
well taste isn't really the point....
and with coke you never stop going to the damn toilet. Once you pop...(and all that)
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Skipping all the religious nonsense in this thread .... I want to know what happened to TrashMan.
I smell women-related drama including sex, drugs and hatred. ;7
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Skipping all the religous nonsense in this thread .... I want to know what happened to TrashMan.
I smell women-related drama including sex, drugs and hatred. ;7
maybe just drama including hatred HAH HAH >:)
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Ever heard of Prohibition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition
You might piss off the mob if you pull a stunt like that...
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No no no, you've got it all wrong. Prohibition is what made the mob. They loved it.
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Well... Ok Then.
:nervous:
:D
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WTF :wtf: I tought I hit the reply bottun and not new topic!?
Dang...
Oh well..now that the damage is done..time for some intervention..
Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't outlaw alchocol alltogether - after all, it is healthy in small doses and had medicinal purposes. But drinking a glass of wine at lunch is totaly different than getting totlay drunk.
If you checked my first post i specififlcy said that intoxicated persons would be subjected to more severe punishment.
Plain and simple anything that causes addiction and clauds one judgment is bad.
And in case you're wondering - no, I have no problems with alcholocol or drug in my family (thank god!), alltough my uncle is a heavy smoker (WAS actually... he was hospitalized recently and can't smoke anymore or it will kill him)
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First of all, this thread was split by an admin or a mod because it was irrelivant to the topic of discussion. Had you read the entire thread (or the thread you thought you had posted in) you would have seen that.
Secondly:
Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't outlaw alchocol alltogether - after all, it is healthy in small doses and had medicinal purposes. But drinking a glass of wine at lunch is totaly different than getting totlay drunk.
If you checked my first post i specififlcy said that intoxicated persons would be subjected to more severe punishment.
Plain and simple anything that causes addiction and clauds one judgment is bad.
And in case you're wondering - no, I have no problems with alcholocol or drug in my family (thank god!), alltough my uncle is a heavy smoker (WAS actually... he was hospitalized recently and can't smoke anymore or it will kill him)
Alcohol = evil.
thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.
If you'll note, the only real content of your first post was alcohol=evil, followed by a mention of how if you ruled the world you'd execute people for being drunk without qualifying what it means to be drunk. To me, that says "all alcohol should be banned", especially given your authoritarian preferences in most other things.
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Intoxication is a release of one's irrationality. People cannot be compelled to be rational and composed with no opportunity for a temporary release. The ancient Greeks understood this as the Dionysian versus the Apollonian; neither is good or bad, and each depends on the other to complete the whole human being. The key is understanding that there is a time and a place for it, and that it is something to be done in moderation. And of course it's not for everyone. As I mentioned before, I don't particularly like getting drunk. The point is that it's overly simplistic to view intoxication as a plague to be stamped out.
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WTF :wtf: I tought I hit the reply bottun and not new topic!?
Dang...
Oh well..now that the damage is done..time for some intervention..
Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't outlaw alchocol alltogether - after all, it is healthy in small doses and had medicinal purposes. But drinking a glass of wine at lunch is totaly different than getting totlay drunk.
If you checked my first post i specififlcy said that intoxicated persons would be subjected to more severe punishment.
Plain and simple anything that causes addiction and clauds one judgment is bad.
And in case you're wondering - no, I have no problems with alcholocol or drug in my family (thank god!), alltough my uncle is a heavy smoker (WAS actually... he was hospitalized recently and can't smoke anymore or it will kill him)
Morality police?
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Whoa, I came into this conversation a bit late.
When I first got to this country, I would only drink a little at social occations (not nearly enough to get drunk) and that's it. After I met my girlfriend, she had me promise to never drink any alcohol at all, so of course I promised. I haven't had a drink since.
I don't believe that alcohol in small amounts is such a bad thing, but when people are hooked in it and consider drinking to be more important than work or family, then it is an evil thing.
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When I first got to this country, I would only drink a little at social occations (not nearly enough to get drunk) and that's it. After I met my girlfriend, she had me promise to never drink any alcohol at all, so of course I promised. I haven't had a drink since.
And you agreed to that?
I hope she's ****ing hot... :p
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When I first got to this country, I would only drink a little at social occations (not nearly enough to get drunk) and that's it. After I met my girlfriend, she had me promise to never drink any alcohol at all, so of course I promised. I haven't had a drink since.
And you agreed to that?
I hope she's ****ing hot... :p
:lol:
Morality police?
Alot of that going around these days. Especially with certain so called powerful governments. =/
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When I first got to this country, I would only drink a little at social occations (not nearly enough to get drunk) and that's it. After I met my girlfriend, she had me promise to never drink any alcohol at all, so of course I promised. I haven't had a drink since.
And you agreed to that?
I hope she's ****ing hot you... :p
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Given your inclinations to creating a new world order I can see "V for Vodka" i.e. Black Wolf in a mask and wig, taking over your computer and totalling your house with explosives should you ever get your wish TM.
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When I first got to this country, I would only drink a little at social occations (not nearly enough to get drunk) and that's it. After I met my girlfriend, she had me promise to never drink any alcohol at all, so of course I promised. I haven't had a drink since.
And you agreed to that?
I hope she's hot and ****ing hot you... :p
Given your inclinations to creating a new world order I can see "V for Vodka" i.e. Black Wolf in a mask and wig, taking over your computer and totalling your house with explosives should you ever get your wish TM.
:lol:
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Given your inclinations to creating a new world order I can see "V for Vodka" i.e. Black Wolf in a mask and wig, taking over your computer and totalling your house with explosives should you ever get your wish TM.
I kind of see it more like stumbling into the PMs office, having scared off the guards by vomiting over them (as we know, all good facists need a tidy uniform), and brandishing an empty bottle.... "Haw, you *hic* persecutional...persacutio....nasty bloke, stop this *hic* pob...proh...prohibitititioni or ah'll...smack....smack ye round the chops, ya bastirt! Get it right up yes!"
And then vanishing (bouncing off one or 2 walls) into the night. After a quick slash into a plantpot on the way out, of course.
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Given your inclinations to creating a new world order I can see "V for Vodka" i.e. Black Wolf in a mask and wig, taking over your computer and totalling your house with explosives should you ever get your wish TM.
I kind of see it more like stumbling into the PMs office, having scared off the guards by vomiting over them (as we know, all good facists need a tidy uniform), and brandishing an empty bottle.... "Haw, you *hic* persecutional...persacutio....nasty bloke, stop this *hic* pob...proh...prohibitititioni or ah'll...smack....smack ye round the chops, ya bastirt! Get it right up yes!"
And then vanishing (bouncing off one or 2 walls) into the night. After a quick slash into a plantpot on the way out, of course.
Funny coming from a sober scotsman. ;) :p