if you thought the final couple of episodes were out-there, wait until you see the second movie. It's a confounding conlcusion that really doesn't make all that much sense, really, but it's definitely a good watch... if you can wrap your head around it, anway...
Most overrated anime IMHO.
Evanglion is probably so celebrated because OMG OMG OMG it has a character that isnt the usual punk/goth/emo rebel who hates the law and plays by nobody's rules but has his uncontrollable super power that he eventually has to control so he can go on a gigantic quest to find the bad guy while collecting something along the whole way that will help him beat the bad guy.
The problem with anime really is that all of their characters are the same and 2 dimensional.Er... that's hardly a problem unique to anime.
The problem with anime really is that all of their characters are the same and 2 dimensional.Er... that's hardly a problem unique to anime.
Anime "shares"??
Anime is a shortened form of the Japanese for 'animation'.Anime is the stupidest word ever. It should be destroyed.
Anime is the stupidest word ever. It should be destroyed.
Evangelion overrated?
Depends how you look at it.... it had a good comedy factor and some cool battles, but if you're looking for more than that you're in the wrong place only if you are unable to understand /or/ are too young to know the basic human psychology and the fundamental aspects of three or more religions.
blah blah bla blah bleh bla blah blah blabydy blah Serial Experiments Lain.
I gave up on NGE when I found out an Eva could only run for about 5 minutes without an external power source. So, that was...years before I even saw an episode.
Eva is pretty trippy, but if you really want something that makes absolutely zero sense, watch Serial Experiments Lain. I own the DVDs, I've watched the whole thing upwards of ten times...I still don't get it.
GAHHH!!!!!!!
/*my head a slpode!!!*/
This is true, an Eva can even't fly and can't really match another robots specs from another series (except for the Eva 01 with wings), not only that but they aren't really mechanical, so they go more into "fantasy" section...I'm not sure why exactly, but this paragraph makes me want to cockpunch you.
But you see, Evas don't need to fly. They're basically invincible because of their AT fields and can only be hurt by other Evas or Angels (AFAIK). They have the 5 minute battery life for this reason. I'm pretty sure they could have designed them to run off of nuclear power or something like that but instead gave them the dependence on external power so that if things really hit the fan they could only cause 5 minutes worth of devastation.QuoteI gave up on NGE when I found out an Eva could only run for about 5 minutes without an external power source. So, that was...years before I even saw an episode.
This is true, an Eva can even't fly and can't really match another robots specs from another series (except for the Eva 01 with wings), not only that but they aren't really mechanical, so they go more into "fantasy" section...
Evangelion overrated?
Depends how you look at it.... it had a good comedy factor and some cool battles, but if you're looking for more than that you're in the wrong place.
Of course, that's my view of it..all tha psycho s*** killed it totaly...actually it started to die even before that, but that was the final nail in the coffin.
2D charachters in anime? Hell, anime charachters have usually more depth that half the charachters from the latest block-busters of teen shows or anything that comes of out Holywood in general!
Of course, the lowest by-products of anime are utterly awfull, and they are in 90% of cases made for comedy, but you can't judge only by those.
But you see, Evas don't need to fly. They're basically invincible because of their AT fields and can only be hurt by other Evas or Angels (AFAIK). They have the 5 minute battery life for this reason. I'm pretty sure they could have designed them to run off of nuclear power or something like that but instead gave them the dependence on external power so that if things really hit the fan they could only cause 5 minutes worth of devastation.QuoteI gave up on NGE when I found out an Eva could only run for about 5 minutes without an external power source. So, that was...years before I even saw an episode.
This is true, an Eva can even't fly and can't really match another robots specs from another series (except for the Eva 01 with wings), not only that but they aren't really mechanical, so they go more into "fantasy" section...
No, but it's a problem that almost all anime shares. Just because other media has the problem doesn't make it any less true that 99% of anime has horrible characters and cookie-cutter storylines.That's a really horrible generalisation/opinion :)
I'm not sure why exactly, but this paragraph makes me want to cockpunch you.
They're basically invincible because of their AT fields
(In fact, I wouldn't even try and treat it as canonical at all. It screws up too many things, and must.)
Frankly I wouldn't take Super Robot as a fair comparison either
The five-minute time limit means an EVA is basically doomed against anything capable of flight and posessing a pilot with half a brain and a basic understanding of the EVA's functioning. You can either sever the power cable or track it back to the generator and blast that; doesn't really matter either way. Then it's a simple matter of outdistancing the EVA and waiting five minutes.
Besides, why bother when you can kill it on pure tactics?
AT fields couldn't be damaged by conventional weapons since the UN could never kill them
Gundam energy swords as much as the next guy, but an Eva tearing out something's organs and muscles with it's bare hands is just hardcore Big grin.
(do you see why I do this mechs goes more into fantasy)True. I'll be the first to admit that an Eva doesn't seem like something that could actually exist... but I still want to drive one to school.
Whether it's a twin buster buster rifle, a satellite cannon, or the Main Gun, the death-instant-and-without-recourse shot is alive and well. And it tends to murder gameplay.
(at a minimum of 80 feet, the EVAs tower over most designs). Neither of those are strictly unique. Everything else is a question mark.
EVA really only made two descents into total impossiblity; AT-Fields and the berserk mode.Well, as Evas are somewhat technically alive, going Beserk and ripping everything within a 20-mile radius to shreds isn't all that unbelievable... of course, a beserk Eva isn't exactly going to engage in any sort of tactics, so an opponent would definitely be able to use that to their advantage when facing down the 20-story behemoth...
Hm, this is starting to sound like Star Wars vs Star Trek ... Anyway
look, you can't compare, Evas basicly incorperate magical force feilds that can only be countered by another magical foce feild.
you can't compare
QuoteI'm not sure why exactly, but this paragraph makes me want to cockpunch you.
"Ignorance" probabily, the story and characters are fine, I am talking about the mechs specifically....this the response I would get from really young people, which falls into the "fan" category, they get so blind by a series that fail to realize certain obvious things...
No, now I'm certain it's because you're exactly the sort of pimply-face hentai-hoarding otaku who will go on and on and on and on with moronic, irrelevant comparisons of completely different fictional universes as if anyone besides yourself (and similarly pathetic people) gives a ****.
Jesus christ, just shut up already.
originally posted by ngtmr1:
I gave up on NGE when I found out an Eva could only run for about 5 minutes without an external power source. So, that was...years before I even saw an episode.
This is true, an Eva can even't fly and can't really match another robots specs from another series (except for the Eva 01 with wings), not only that but they aren't really mechanical, so they go more into "fantasy" section...
Originally posted by ZylonBane:
I'm not sure why exactly, but this paragraph makes me want to cockpunch you.
This is pointless...
you know that both she and the evas are basicly Shinji's mother, right?
adds a whole new layer of fuct don't it?
Been a while since I saw it, but IIRC Rei was a part of Lillin (sp? The **** downstairs in the basement, Adam was in Gendou's hand) - didn't have anything to do with Shinji's mother.If I remember correctly, I believe it was Lilith that was in the basement, while Humanity was referred to as the Lillen.
On the other hand, EVA 01 had a lot to do with his mother.
At any rate, Rei is more or less of a jailbait people's fantasy, then again so's Asuka.
As God see that human race wasn't disposed to change, God's second punishement was to empty the room of Gauf, a room which contains all of the human's souls (***), for so every child who was born after that date (or time) woulnd't have a soul.
(***) In Judaism, the number of souls is not infinite, so between time to time God refill it again
That means that neither Shinji or Asuka posses a soul, the only exception is Rei Ayanami, as the human race won't have souls, humans decided to create one, and they implant it to Rei, which is the only vessel with a soul that haves only 14 years. That's why the Evas need to have a Soul, to complete the one imcomplete souls of the pilots
Now, I'm not saying that all anime is bad or with 2D characters (Macross, the original Gundam, Ghost in the Shell, Evanglion, etc), but a lot of them are.
I honestly can't stand a lot of the pretentious "theology" that's in Evangelion.
See, I usually don't trust people who refer to art as "pretentious", because "pretentious" is all too often a term employed by embitterred anti-intellectuals, and actually means "went over my head because I don't like art that doesn't fit my child-like parameters".
I honestly can't stand a lot of the pretentious "theology" that's in Evangelion.See, I usually don't trust people who refer to art as "pretentious", because "pretentious" is all too often a term employed by embitterred anti-intellectuals, and actually means "went over my head because I don't like art that doesn't fit my child-like parameters".
Evangelion takes the bare framework of Judeo-Christian mythos and a bit of psychology and places it within an anime. It overlooks most of the deeper questions within both the psychology and mythos it builds upon. Honestly, it's nowhere near as deep a piece as is often claimed.
Asuka's owning session was "pure, badass, awesome coolness."™And how...
But we musn't forget that 99% of "performance art" is in fact pretentious. And anything described as an "installation" is highly suspect as well.See, I usually don't trust people who refer to art as "pretentious", because "pretentious" is all too often a term employed by embitterred anti-intellectuals, and actually means "went over my head because I don't like art that doesn't fit my child-like parameters".
I don't understand the last line of the movie: "That's disgusting" or something..? Someone clarify for me? :)
Honestly, reading the whole Evangelion story it reminds me more and more of Scientology - basicly, a load of psycho bull****...
QuoteHonestly, reading the whole Evangelion story it reminds me more and more of Scientology - basicly, a load of psycho bull****...
You know what? To hell with you all. You guys are so obsessed with controversy that I wonder whether you have actual personal opinions on things. Who the **** cares if fanboys think it's the best thing ever? Get over it. Is it good or bad, how about asking that?
The fact is, once you get past the meaningless (though beautiful) biblical imagery and the mediocre mecha battles, evangelion actually does say something about human suffering. It's hard to recognize, especially since it suffers from what I shall now officially term Naruto Syndrome (when an anime is criticized as crap, for the sake of being criticized as crap simply because it's popular, when in fact it may actually be very well done), but it's there.
While not AFAIK officially confirmed (we only have what happens in EoE to realy confirm this) , it is popular belief that Rei has the soul of Lillith but she has been made in the image of Shinji's mother, Yui.
While it is common knowledge that in NGE humanity is the spawn of Lillith, some people have suggested that the Angels are the spawn of Adam.
Animation is good, humor is good, battels are good, maby it even has some hidden meaning that is good, but let's fact it - the story sucks.
The only Angel that really knows were Adam is and goes for him, is the most powerful of all (surely is), the Angel 14º Zeruel (***), this one entered NERV really easy (compared to the others), and as you may remember it stopped in front of the supercomputer MAGI which control NERV and it's scientists, included Gendou Ikari, and try to kill them...the question is why do it tries to kill them, that's not at all the Angel mission, human annihilation may be a collateral damage...Actually, if I remember correctly, when the Angel comes barging through the Holographic Display thingy and stops in front of the Magi systems, powering up it's main weapon, Gendou wasn't actually there, he was in the Cage with Unit 01. I believe he left about 5 minutes before to assist in getting the dummy-plug operational in Unit 01, which wouldn't accept it. So, Zeruel was only going to kill the command staff in the attack you mentioned.
The reason is simple Gendou ordered Kaji to bring him the Adam's Embryon, Gendou implant it in his hand and so he could unleash the 3rd Impact, so he and his wife (Yui) could become Gods. That means that Zeruel wanted to touch Gendou right hand and unleash the 3rd Impact not controlated by humans.
QuoteAnimation is good, humor is good, battels are good, maby it even has some hidden meaning that is good, but let's fact it - the story sucks.
The combination of humor and battles is something which makes it different from any other mech series, if you see Gundam W or most Gundam series there isn't nothing of humor, this is not to blame, most people just see a mech series like Gundam and makes a vague an and partial description as "two robots fighting, end of the series", while Gundam just tries to reflect war among all of it's series, and maybe it does too much, Macross somewhat takes more a romantic point of view for example....
One of the reasons I could never finish to see Escaflowne was specially that it lacked of humor of any means, I mean, well maybe in that alternate universe it didn't exist, but after a few episodes I was ready to enter in hibernation state...I didn't really see the rest of the series, so...my opinnion just apply to this brief start I see.
But yes, I like more combination of situations and emotions, than just fight, fight, fight, war, war, there are some other mech's series which are like NGE and combine episodes and situations which are quite opposite frequentely....
Escaflowne is more serious in that regard and you really should watch it. the best anime IMHO...
1 - The creator/director, Hideaki Anno, suffered from a long period of depression prior to creating Evangelion; much of the show is based on his own experiences in dealing with depression and in psychoanalytic theory he learned from his psychotherapy. As a result, characters in the anime display a variety of mood disorders and problems with emotional health, especially depression, trauma, and separation anxiety disorder.
After the ending of the TV series, Gainax and Hideaki Anno received numerous letters and emails from fans, both congratulating and criticizing the last two episodes. Among these were death threats and letters of disappointment from fans who thought Anno had ruined the series for them. Prompted by these responses, Gainax launched the project to create a movie with a "proper" ending for the series in 1997. Due to scheduling difficulties, they released Death and Rebirth consisting of a character-based recap of the entire series (Death) and half of the "proper" ending to Evangelion (Rebirth). The project was completed later in the year, and contained the complete section of Rebirth, i.e. End of Evangelion(...)
(...)Despite the success of End of Evangelion, its ending was considered controversial by many fans. Some believe that it was a manifestation of Anno's frustrations with the fan culture that attacked his original ending, and used End of Evangelion as revenge against those. Others have argued that Anno intended End of Evangelion to be the proper climax all along but that he was unable to show it because of budget restraint and television content laws. One other theory that is not commonly talked about is it was to supplement the last two episodes; some believe the last two episodes occur in Shinji’s mind, while the movie showed the events occurring to the world. Many have come to the conclusion that it will be up to the viewer to decide the finale, as everyone has different interpretations.(...)
(...)On the other hand there is some evidence that Anno's frustrations began earlier than End of Evangelion, and that this film was the culmination of a growing anger as evidenced by the sudden shift in tone around episode 16. (It is also worth noting here that in this episode the Angels were going to speak to Shinji, but the creative team dropped this in favor of a more original concept in which the Angel shows Shinji various images within his mind, while he 'talks' to himself.) Several sources (interview with Kazuya Tsurumaki, interview with Hiroki Azuma) seem to indicate that although Evangelion was sketchily pre-planned, the story details were open to alteration, possibly for the purpose of adapting to audience demands or more likely (regarding Anno's tastes and fights with sponsors) free directorial decision making. The shift in tone and style corresponded with a shift in Anno's worldview that would lead him to abandon the "otaku lifestyle" and temporarily leave anime for live action film making. He made his live-action debut with "Love and Pop" in 1998 (posters were designed by longtime collaborator Yoshiyuki Sadamoto), then went back to animation with the 26-episode "His and Her Circumstances", then made the live-action "Shiki-Jistu" in 2001 (which used brief pieces of animation in key scenes), and was uninvolved with animation until his participation in supervising (but not directing) the 2004 Cutey Honey OAV Project.
Evangelion: the anime that leaves you srupider than it found you.
After reading this entire thread... :wtf:
*snipped for great justice*
Fast forward to the end (sorry if spoiler) Best scene in the whole friggen series is when shinji gets his "revenge" on Asuka... This is the only series, non-hentai, I ever saw the hero do a Bukakke! Go Shinji give it to that *****! (she so deserved it!)
In the english version it goes SOMETHING like this: So don't sue me if it's wrong.
Shinji is on top and strangling Asuka and about to cllapse.
Aska: "I hate you" as she careses his face.
Shinji: "I feel sick".
It then ends with destruction and a sea of LCL around them and has a real Adam& Eve feel to it. The implication is that they ned to reseed Humanity...
Escaflowne is more serious in that regard and you really should watch it. the best anime IMHO...
I seen al lthe series episodes, but still wan't clear with the Evangelion storyline..
After reading the last few posts things have become clearer.
I now officially want to change my oppinion - Scientology actually might have a better story than this!
Fast forward to the end (sorry if spoiler) Best scene in the whole friggen series is when shinji gets his "revenge" on Asuka... This is the only series, non-hentai, I ever saw the hero do a Bukakke! Go Shinji give it to that *****! (she so deserved it!)
In the english version it goes SOMETHING like this: So don't sue me if it's wrong.
Shinji is on top and strangling Asuka and about to cllapse.
Aska: "I hate you" as she careses his face.
Shinji: "I feel sick".
It then ends with destruction and a sea of LCL around them and has a real Adam& Eve feel to it. The implication is that they ned to reseed Humanity...
No, it's not that, it's (near the end):Nah. Think about it from Asuka's perspective; she lost synchronisation with Unit 02 and her life effectively lost all meaning, and she attempted to commit suicide. She then falls into a coma, and the next thing she knows, she's inside Unit 02 under attack by the JSSDF, which she summarily annihilates. She then takes on the Eva Mass-Production Series, takes them out, only to be impaled through the eye [due to the heightened Sync Ratio, she'd feel it as if it were happening to her], have them reactivate and eviscerate her, and subsequently impale Unit 02 [and her] with 8 spikes. The, she reawakens beside the Sea of LCL [I believe there is a running theory that at this point she is in fact an amalgum of Asuka, Rei and Misato] to the sight of Shinji choking her... that is one hell of a bad month.
Asuka (time - 1:28:17): What a disguting feeling...
I think she means "pity", supposedly Adam goes searching for Lilith because he feel sorry for her imprison in the Earth, basically he feels pity towards her...and that's one of the worse feelings you can have towards other people (if it is not the worst)
What I can't understand, is the plot, specially in EoE near the end, it's a s**t, see why:
Towards the EoE, all humans (or souls ?) become one, there are no humans left except from Shinji or Asuka, leaving aside, the fact of why do the rest of the people without souls were supposed to unite ? (Shinji and Asuka don't have souls and they didn't really unify with the others)...the life in Earth is still standing, it the worst case humans would have dissapeared from the face of the whole earth, but the point life, all other non-human species are still there, so is that supposed to be tragic at all?
The point is, do it was necessary all that to just get that end ?, just some average quality plot with a meteor collision with the earth would have caused much more damage to the earth, and all the life in it, so I fail to see where is the so tragic, so apocalyptic as NGE is claimed...maybe it is, but not that much, a meteor would be really terrible and the fact that NGE EoE is unbelievable unrealistic, while a meteor collision is something that might happen someday...It's funny you bring up the Meteor thing. Remember, the Meteor was not only a cover story for Second Impact, but it was a bad cover-up story. According to a screencap of a textbook in one of the episodes, they claimed that a Meteor about 4 inches in diametre smashed into the Antarctic at 95% C [the Speed of Light]. Those scientifical peoples around here will be able to tell you that that meteor in the coverstory was both way too small and going way too fast for it to be plausable.
You're right in the fact that all Humans were united, but you've still got the idea a little wrong. The Human Instrementality Project was designed to artificially advance Humanity to the next stage of evolution, to dissolve every Human's AT Field - which kept any given individual isolated and lonely from every other individual - and unit everything into what ends up as the Sea of LCL [in a nutshell]. This occured, only at the last minute Shinji stopped it, choosing individuality, and thus the Egg of Lilith burst, and Shinji was not liquified. As the Human Instrumentality Project failed, Humanity is now free to become individuals once more, if they can muster the will-power to seperate themselves, so Humanity is not extinct, we're just in a different form. Asuka was somehow able to do this instantly, and thus she appears next to Shinji when he awakens, or else she's an amalgum of the three women in Shinji's life as I stated earlier... i'm sort of going off several hours of reading from several locations, not to mention the theories and ideas of a couple dozen people, so bare with me.
It's funny you bring up the Meteor thing. Remember, the Meteor was not only a cover story for Second Impact, but it was a bad cover-up story. According to a screencap of a textbook in one of the episodes, they claimed that a Meteor about 4 inches in diametre smashed into the Antarctic at 95% C [the Speed of Light]. Those scientifical peoples around here will be able to tell you that that meteor in the coverstory was both way too small and going way too fast for it to be plausable.
I wasn't talking about any of NGE Impacts, I was just making an example, of what a more apocalyptic plot would be...Right, misread that passage, I was in a hurry to finish that post as I was already 5 minutes late for a lecture... :rolleyes:
I've found a fanfic that, so far, doesn't seem to suck. It picks up right at the end of the show and ignores the movie. It treats the last two episodes as occuring entirely in Shinji's head, rather than being some reality altering, soul unifying, Instrumentality whatsit
Here's EVA-R.
Dear HLP,
You're all a bunch of pussies.
Dear HLP...
I started reading Eva-R, but I stopped after the second chapter. It seemed to be in a whole different world than the anime and I wasn't interested in that.
Many fans compare RahXephon to Neon Genesis Evangelion (NGE), favourably or unfavourably[citation needed]. Some say that RahXephon can be favoured to Evangelion because of its clearer ending and more active protagonist[citation needed]. Further, RahXephon used less still images and recycled footage from previous episodes than NGE did, a result of Gainax's notorious tendency to go overbudget at the beginning of a TV series and having to finish it on a shoestring budget, a tendency also manifested in Nadia. NGE had expanded the adult and non-Japanese market for anime, thus breaking the ground for later anime shows to follow. RahXephon benefitted from this larger market, as well as from technological advances in anime production.
RahXephon was made several years after NGE, and because of similarities in the respective protagonists and in the style and execution of events it is often criticized for not being as original or groundbreaking as NGE.[citation needed] It is also criticized for lacking NGE director Anno's strong and psychology-filled writing, and also his unique, gritty, unpredictable visual style.[citation needed] NGE itself had its share of similarities to previous mecha anime[citation needed], but its iconic status and fame makes it a natural target of comparison to other mecha shows.
One aspect of RahXephon seen favorably by some[citation needed] is that it devotes less time to battles than NGE does, counterbalancing this with more character development, and an ensemble of characters that have complex relationships. This complexity—as well as early foreshadowing of events—suggests that RahXephon's story was planned and written early in the production cycle. In contrast, NGE's writing was sketchily pre-planned (as admitted by assistant director Kazuya Tsurumaki[citation needed]) and was more influenced by the reactions that TV executives and viewers had to previous episodes.
At the very beginning of the series' first episode, Ayato disparagingly comments that "All's right with the world, huh?" This may be interpreted as a reference to Evangelion, as NERV's logo bears the words "God's in his heaven, All's right with the world" (from Robert Browning's poem Song from Pippa Passes).
:eek2: WTF is this?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/redsniper7/whatsthis.jpg)
It wasn't in the show or the movie but seems like the same quality. If it's fan work, then it's freaking amazing and I must know where it's from so I can see more.
It figures the winner would be the original staff, the ones that came up with the other seventeen angles. :p