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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: NeoHunter on October 20, 2001, 01:48:00 pm
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I got this urge to install either Windows Millenium Edition or Windows 2000. However, I want to know if either one fo these can support FreeSpace 2???
I'm tired of the Windows 98 First Edition crashing on me or displaying that annoying "Illegal operation"message.
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trash 2k, FS2 often doesn't work on this one (not for everybody, but often).
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ME works great..
and If youre using something like a Voodoo or a TNT2 chip, it will definitely work under 2K...
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You can always dual-boot and try both out. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Thanks guys!!!
Thorn, if what you are saying is true, then it should work if I install Windows 2000. I have a Gigabyte GA-660Plus NVdia TNT2 card. So, as long as I see that word "TNT2", it should work, right?
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"The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of its existence"
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Originally posted by venom2506:
trash 2k, FS2 often doesn't work on this one (not for everybody, but often).
Freespace2 works perfectly with Win2k. If you have problems, it is a DRIVER issue. Hell, even FS1 supports WinNT. Its a well known fact that FS2 uses FS1's engine (stated by DaveB himself), just with better textures and a few tweaks to allow beams and such. Win2k is based on the NT kernel. Need I say more?
In summary, if your drivers are installed properly then Freespace and Freespace2 will run flawlessly in Windows 2000.
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"You know you've played Freespace too much when you're driving along trying to use countermeasures to shake off pursuing highway police." - Top Gun
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I see. Okay,. Then I shall go ahead with the installation of Windows 2000 then.
But they did say that some modems are not supported by Windows 2000.
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GTD Excellence ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/excellence") Webmaster
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"The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of its existence"
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NO!!! STOP!!!
WINDOWS 2000 IS A GAMER'S DEATH TRAP!!!!!
belive me i know (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
Freespace2 works perfectly with Win2k. If you have problems, it is a DRIVER issue. Hell, even FS1 supports WinNT. Its a well known fact that FS2 uses FS1's engine (stated by DaveB himself), just with better textures and a few tweaks to allow beams and such. Win2k is based on the NT kernel. Need I say more?
In summary, if your drivers are installed properly then Freespace and Freespace2 will run flawlessly in Windows 2000.
I don't care, I don't use 2k (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
[This message has been edited by venom2506 (edited 10-21-2001).]
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I use Win2k and I haven't had any problems with Freespace. But some games (mostly games from EA) don't work well under Win2k. But thats ok, I haven't had a blue screen of death in long, long time.
Good site for Win2k users: http://www.ntcompatible.com/ ("http://www.ntcompatible.com/")
Pez
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2k is great for the stability. And it also has great RAM support. That said, I really want to get a proper version of XP... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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2K is very protective of how it allows programs to acces the computer's hardware. This is inherited from the NT line of OS'es, and is also the main factor in Win2K's wonderful stability.
However, it does cause intensive multimedia operations to run significantly slower than on 98. I'm not talking about peanuts like playing CD's and MP3's, I'm talking about DVD's (sometimes) and 3d applications (games).
But what was said before is correct: with the right drivers, Win2K runs like a dream. Most games work fine, some even better than they did under 98. FS2 works fine, it just switches between screens a bit slower.
However, I must warn you away from ME - it's a piece of crap. I don't say that lightly, either. There have been numerous cases where it runs ok, but that has been the exception to the rule. It is a horridly made OS, with a pathetic attempt at covering up the stability issues with duct tape as opposed to removing them from the equation (System Restore adds more bugs and crashes than it supposedly fixes).
I am a computer technician, and one of the first question I ask a customer who comes to me with a problem is if they are running Windows ME. If they are, I recommend (if they can't afford Windows 2000, or their computer isn't able to run it) that they install 98 instead.
Personally, I dual-boot Win98 and W2K. All my work is in 2K, and I use 98 for graphicly heavy gaming (read: IWAR2, etc...) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Hwo do you dual boot two operating systems on a single hard disk drive anyway?
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On a single HD you should partition the disk into 2 drive letters, and install 98 (for example) on one of them. Then under 98 run the 2k install proggie and when it asks you f you want to upgrade, say no, and choose to select the target install partition during installation. Install it onto your other drive, and when you boot the computer, Win2k will provide you with a menu to allow you to boot into either OS.
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Originally posted by sandwich:
2K is very protective of how it allows programs to acces the computer's hardware. This is inherited from the NT line of OS'es, and is also the main factor in Win2K's wonderful stability.
However, it does cause intensive multimedia operations to run significantly slower than on 98. I'm not talking about peanuts like playing CD's and MP3's, I'm talking about DVD's (sometimes) and 3d applications (games).
But what was said before is correct: with the right drivers, Win2K runs like a dream. Most games work fine, some even better than they did under 98. FS2 works fine, it just switches between screens a bit slower.
However, I must warn you away from ME - it's a piece of crap. I don't say that lightly, either. There have been numerous cases where it runs ok, but that has been the exception to the rule. It is a horridly made OS, with a pathetic attempt at covering up the stability issues with duct tape as opposed to removing them from the equation (System Restore adds more bugs and crashes than it supposedly fixes).
I am a computer technician, and one of the first question I ask a customer who comes to me with a problem is if they are running Windows ME. If they are, I recommend (if they can't afford Windows 2000, or their computer isn't able to run it) that they install 98 instead.
Personally, I dual-boot Win98 and W2K. All my work is in 2K, and I use 98 for graphicly heavy gaming (read: IWAR2, etc...) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
I agree with you on everything except for the slowness part. I haven't noticed any slowdowns in any games. Maybe my processor makes up for the "slack". (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by sandwich:
On a single HD you should partition the disk into 2 drive letters, and install 98 (for example) on one of them. Then under 98 run the 2k install proggie and when it asks you f you want to upgrade, say no, and choose to select the target install partition during installation. Install it onto your other drive, and when you boot the computer, Win2k will provide you with a menu to allow you to boot into either OS.
How does one partition a hard disk drive?? I forgot the commands.
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"The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of its existence"
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I use my Linux install disk, but I'm fairly sure DOS FDisk does partitions - open it up and follow the prompts (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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I just hope I don't do the wrong thing. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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"The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of its existence"
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Originally posted by NeoHunter:
I just hope I don't do the wrong thing. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
You would have to be a blithering idiot not to know how to use FDisk. Its VERY straight forward.
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ME has no problem with it, I don't know about 2k. I'd recommend ME, since 2k builds off of NT, and ME off of 98.
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Dr. Ritsuko Akagi, Neon Genesis Evangelion episode 12, "The Value of a Miracle Is..."
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
You would have to be a blithering idiot not to know how to use FDisk.
Ahhh, the joys of having multiple hard drives (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
You would have to be a blithering idiot not to know how to use FDisk. Its VERY straight forward.
Of course, if you don't know how to use FDISK, it can be VERY dangerous... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Therefore, idiots are dangerous! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Man, I feel so insulted. Where is that shotgun that is always under our seats? I want to shoot myself.
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GTD Excellence ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/excellence") Webmaster
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"The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of its existence"
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Are you actually admitting that you don't know how to use FDisk!?
It's not hard...open it up and it's more or less self-explanatory from there. But be CAREFUL...you might kill your computer if you do the wrong thing. Which I have done more than once.
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"Don't make others suffer for your personal hatred."
Dr. Ritsuko Akagi, Neon Genesis Evangelion episode 12, "The Value of a Miracle Is..."
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Originally posted by Boct1584:
Are you actually admitting that you don't know how to use FDisk!?
It's not hard...open it up and it's more or less self-explanatory from there. But be CAREFUL...you might kill your computer if you do the wrong thing. Which I have done more than once.
The only thing it'd do is wipe the partitions. (the closest thing you can get to a low-level format.)
However, if you edit or create any new partitions, any data on that hard drive will be erased. Backup ALL data to another hard drive before creating any new partitions (or pay $60 for a copy of Partition Magic and adjust or create new partitions on the fly).
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"You know you've played Freespace too much when you're driving along trying to use countermeasures to shake off pursuing highway police." - Top Gun
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I've never used FDisk before. I admit that much.
Besides, I only have 8.6GB total. What's there to partition anyway? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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"Be flakked or be square!"
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get another small hard drive (4gb) theyre cheap, and partition it in two, put the OSs on it. use your 8 as a secondary drive, install everything else on that.....
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Originally posted by Thorn:
get another small hard drive (4gb) theyre cheap, and partition it in two, put the OSs on it. use your 8 as a secondary drive, install everything else on that.....
Uhh... unless you get used or something, smallest they go for nowadays is 10Gb, and that's if you're lucky... :0 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://michael.randelman.com"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Gotta love those days when a 32mb hard drive was hella expensive™
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Well, I've installed Windows 2000. Sure hope I can play my favourite games on it.
As for hard disk drives, I would rather go for at least 20GB ones. Because I need to install so many large programs like Adobe Photoshop 6 and 3D Studio Max R4. Not to mention FreeSpace 2. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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"Be flakked or be square!"
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*pats his IBM 45 gigger*
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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"You know you've played Freespace too much when you're driving along trying to use countermeasures to shake off pursuing highway police." - Top Gun
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
*pats his IBM 45 gigger*
:laughs as the patting causes the head to grind a 2 cm deep gash into the platter (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif):
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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
NO!!! Its a Hyperkinetic Rabbity thing!!!
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Gahaha..
*kicks case*
*nothing happens*
my computer is invincible (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
*kicks it again*
*computer re-boots*
(its done it before)
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Doesn't ME not have DOS on it or something, I really like playing Doom or Wolf3d once in a while.
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ME is pathetic!
Do not use ME!
EDIT: Rumor has it that the school district that I go to decided over summer to install ME on all their computers in the district (that's more than 5,000)
and they had it on for a few weeks, then they formatted and went back to 95, because ME is so unstable! (that's just rumor and legend, but I can believe it!)
[This message has been edited by Mystical (edited 10-28-2001).]
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Originally posted by Setekh:
2k is great for the stability. And it also has great RAM support. That said, I really want to get a proper version of XP... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
XP still has a few bugs in it. I say wait till the bugs and the price goes down before you buy it!
I've got the BETA version, but I'm waiting to get the proper full version still.
Remember how much laptops were when they came out? Remember how much the 166 MHZ processor was when it came out? more than $500.00 now you can get one for about $1.00 and it's considered expensive!
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) lol :lol
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yea but some of us are stuck with Comcraps... I mean Compaqs which are inherently unstable to begin with. If XP will keep me from seeing the 'Blue Screen of Death' it's worth it.
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
If XP will keep me from seeing the 'Blue Screen of Death' it's worth it.
heh (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Check this out:
http://www.schpaa.com/humor/show.asp?id=gates_30_240.mov ("http://www.schpaa.com/humor/show.asp?id=gates_30_240.mov")
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I'll grant WinXP one good thing... I think the minimum requirement for it was a 200MHZ processor...
I installed it on a 166MHZ Processor with 64 MB Ram, and it ran as quick as Windows 98 runs on my 900 MHZ with 128 MB Ram
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Originally posted by PhReAk:
Doesn't ME not have DOS on it or something, I really like playing Doom or Wolf3d once in a while.
Ohh its got DOS, but instead of coding a proper emulator, they just hid it from you. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by Griffon UK:
:laughs as the patting causes the head to grind a 2 cm deep gash into the platter (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif):
Nah, it was off at the time. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) However, I've had two Western Digital 6.4GB drives die because the actuators crashed causing the heads to come into contact with the media. The second one was refirbished on June of 2000, yet the supposedly 3 year warranty has already expired! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif) Lets just say WD has most definitely lost a customer. I'll be sticking to IBM, Quantum, or Maxtor. (I had a Quantum 170MB HD that ran perfectly until my previous power supply took it out just as it died. That drive came out of my second computer and I've never had a problem with it.)
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"You know you've played Freespace too much when you're driving along trying to use countermeasures to shake off pursuing highway police." - Top Gun
Material Defender Studios ("http://www.mdstudios.f2s.com/index.html")