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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: an0n on April 18, 2006, 03:16:02 pm
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They simply can't take power.
The party symbol is the Union Jack and their entire party line is to make Britain strong again by kicking out all the 'pakis' and basically taking Britain back to the good ol' days of the Empire.
So if they get a majority in the Commons, the Queen can still just go "Uh...No."
All they can do from there is try to start a revolution - which would fail. Not only because their supporters follow them as an act of patriotism, but because the Armed Forces are loyal to the Queen. She can just go "Kill them all" and the Army would.
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On the other hand, once Prince William (uh, that is his name right? or is that Harry?) gets into power, he might just get the ol' Nazi uniform out of the closet and give the thumbs up.
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He would need to overthrow Queeny tho. Ain't no way she's leaving till she's good 'n' ready.
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The party symbol is the Union Jack and their entire party line is to make Britain strong again by kicking out all the 'pakis' and basically taking Britain back to the good ol' days of the Empire.
So if they get a majority in the Commons, the Queen can still just go "Uh...No."
Unless Prince Phillip has a word in her ear, I s'pose.....
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Knowing him he'd say something self-pissingly funny.
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The UK is the high profile center of democracy done "mostly right" or rather "less wrong" right now...try and keep things on the up and up over there ok? :)
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True enough. The only countries not currently going straight to Hell are the UK and Canada.
But the UK has ****ty immigration policies and Canada has French people.
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The UK is the high profile center of democracy done "mostly right" or rather "less wrong" right now...try and keep things on the up and up over there ok? :)
I wouldn't say that. Ironically enough our main system of checks and balances consist of an unelected monarch and an unelected second house.
Then again maybe that is the right way to do democracy considering that the system suffers from the basic flaw that most of the electorate are polical illiterates and morons.
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But the UK has ****ty immigration policies and Canada has French people.
Yes, but thanks to massive consumption of poutine, most of them should be dead in a decade or so. Then, finally, Canada will be free of the accursed bilingual labels, road signs and phone service.
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The UK is the high profile center of democracy done "mostly right" or rather "less wrong" right now...try and keep things on the up and up over there ok? :)
I wouldn't say that. Ironically enough our main system of checks and balances consist of an unelected monarch and an unelected second house.
Then again maybe that is the right way to do democracy considering that the system suffers from the basic flaw that most of the electorate are polical illiterates and morons.
Indeed. That's how the states did things when the US was founded: only landowners could vote. Good rule of thumb IMHO; if you could own and manage land, you probably knew what you were doing. IMHO we'd be much better off if we were still doing it that way.
(And btw, I don't own any land.)
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NEVER talk to a West Canadian about the bilingual thing. Especially if they had to learn French in school.
Not that I don't think the seperatists are the biggest promoters of huge overkill in the world.
Although I can't see how you can call Canada an OK democracy if the Conservatives got elected.
Well, after that politically charged remark, hopefully it won't be long before this topic detonates and collapses the nearest jump node. I give it 2 days or so at most.
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Indeed. That's how the states did things when the US was founded: only landowners could vote. Good rule of thumb IMHO; if you could own and manage land, you probably knew what you were doing. IMHO we'd be much better off if we were still doing it that way.
Exactly. The problem with a democracy where "everyone has a voice" is that some people just shouldn't have a voice.
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Unfortunately, there's no non-Hobbesian way to implement that, since many of the people you will claim shouldn't have a vote (perhaps rightfully) will often claim you shouldn't have a vote.
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Well you could always set a test of political understanding that people have to pass in order to vote. Don't know what the major parties stand for? Fine. You can't vote for any of them. :D
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They should do away with all that Human Rights bull**** and test people for everything.
Having a kid, owning a house, owning weapons, voting.
Personally, I think they should split the system between 3 Houses and an all-powerful Dictator (with the throne being restricted only in the matter of the selection of the successor - who cannot be a member of the current Dictators family, circle of friends or a business associate).
Have the first house elected by the people. The second elected by the military and the X-richest people in the country. And the third being selected by the Dictator - and approved by the other two houses - for services above and beyond their calling (curing cancer, building public works from their own pocket, using private funding and resources to support the army in a time of war, promoting good [non-political] ideals like healthy eating and such - etc. etc.).
A bill starts in one house and does the rounds with each subsequent house making changes till either they all agree or a majority in two houses throws it out. And the Dictator can step in at any time to approve or dismiss any law at any stage of it's creation, and can also dismiss whoever the hell he likes from the government if they're ****ing around, playing political games.
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Wouldn't work. The first thing the dictator does is to abolish all three houses. And if he doesn't have the power to do that or all kinds of other things he shouldn't be able to do in order to have the same effect then he has no point in his position existing in the first place.
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The party symbol is the Union Jack
Uh, no their party symbol is the Cross of Saint George, just the red bit in the middle. It's the flag of England where as the Jack is the flag of the united kingdom of which england is the central part.
Now it is my firm and heart felt belief as a true son of England that the BNP have the right idea about throwing certain people out of the country, they only have the wrong people in mind for this.
I propose instead of kicking a large portion of my friends, my girlfriend and a few relatives out of the country we instead round up that wonderful group of biggoted prats known as the BNP and drown them in the North Sea.
They're the kind of people I don't mind hearing about dyeing, but then I've seen first hand some of the things those kind of people do. If they ever get into power I'm emigrating.
Just to clarify I'm a 20 year old white male from the south east of the UK and the only people I'm prejudiced against are self absorbed biggots who hate for the sake of hating, like the BNP.
Oh and I don't like the French either but then thats from expieriance rather than any irrational dislike, I think most people are with me on that one at least.
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I don't mind french in general. It's just their politicians who are absolute twads. But then, whose politicians aren't? I can totally understand your feelings on the BNP though; we have a party quite similar to them here, and even worse, our current government would lose power if not for them, giving them some say in most matters.
I just wish for the day we actually see a credible opposition materialize so we can get rid of both our current government and the racist bigots they rely on to stay in their seats. But that seems far off at the moment...
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Now it is my firm and heart felt belief as a true son of England that the BNP have the right idea about throwing certain people out of the country, they only have the wrong people in mind for this.
I propose instead of kicking a large portion of my friends, my girlfriend and a few relatives out of the country we instead round up that wonderful group of biggoted prats known as the BNP and drown them in the North Sea.
Can't do that. They have laws on dumping toxic waste in the seas.
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Wouldn't work. The first thing the dictator does is to abolish all three houses. And if he doesn't have the power to do that or all kinds of other things he shouldn't be able to do in order to have the same effect then he has no point in his position existing in the first place.
There'd be no need. The general idea would be to have the Dictator interfere only in logistical matters and to keep the country from falling apart. All the politics would be handled by the Houses.
And the Dictator would have all the power he could ever want anyway. He'd pretty much just be able to sit around on a sunny beach somewhere being blown by a harem of slave women if he wanted. All he'd be doing by dissolving the Houses would be increasing his workload and making himself a target.
So you just make sure the first Dictator is smart and selfish. Then he doesn't care about using his power to conquer the globe or build huge statues of himself while the people starve, as he'll be perfectly content to sit around sunning himself.
Essentially, it remove the Dictator from the consequences of his actions - so he can't really improve his life by being a dick and he can't cause himself hardship by imposing 'for your own good' things on the populous.
Plus, he'd still be one man. And men can be dealt with. The only way he could usurp power anyway would be through the military, and they'd already have a large degree of power by way of the Second House. And even if they did try to take power, half the Second House would be billionaires would could scupper their plans, the entire Third House would be patriots opposed to the idea of a coup and the First House would be full of regular, selfish idiots who would be clamouring to maintain their own power.
It gridlocks the system if anyone tries to seize absolute control.
So while the Dictator could do whatever he pleased on a personal and state level, if he tried to combine the two the organizational structure of the government would mean he'd be trying to take power from the Military, captains of industry and selfish, manipulative politicians. He'd be dancing in a nest of vipers.
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The party symbol is the Union Jack
Uh, no their party symbol is the Cross of Saint George, just the red bit in the middle. It's the flag of England where as the Jack is the flag of the united kingdom of which england is the central part.
No, it's the Union Jack. But in the past few years they've been migrating towards St George's Cross to try and make it look like all the England supporters are actually rooting for the BNP.
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Sorry you are right. I thought they'd adopted it as their official symbol a few years back since they dropped using the Union Jack all together at the last Election but they never officially changed it.
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So while the Dictator could do whatever he pleased on a personal and state level, if he tried to combine the two the organizational structure of the government would mean he'd be trying to take power from the Military, captains of industry and selfish, manipulative politicians. He'd be dancing in a nest of vipers.
Even if I believed all the rest of your post was possible (which I don't) you still face the very real threat of the people mentioned above simply manipulating the dictator to their own ends.
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How, exactly?
He could just kill them all if they tried.
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Which contradicts your earlier point that the dictator couldn't simply abolish their house if he wanted to. Either he's a puppet or a colossus. You need to make up your mind.
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He could kill them in scores if he could provide enough proof to the ones he wasn't killing that the massacre was justified.
And then the ones he'd killed would be replaced by new people.
But he couldn't dissolve the Houses.
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Why couldn't he? Or why couldn't he simply fill the houses with yes men who don't want to be killed after having purged them of everyone stupid enough to say no and get themselves killed by him? He'd only need one night of the long knives to do that. Everything would be done and dusted before parliament could reconvene to tell him to stop.
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Because the First House is voted into office, the Second House is comprised of military and business leaders who'd take exception to being killed off wholesale and the Third House is voted in by the First and Second Houses.
And while it's entire possible he could coerse the military and the public, the business leaders interests could never be served by allying themselves to a power-mad dictator and they could topple the entire economy if he ever tried to move against them, leaving the country in total chaos.
The system balances military power, economic power, the will of the people and the honour of patriots to ensure that while the Dictator can rock the boat, if he ever tries to make himself the de-facto captain the entire ship sinks killing everyone aboard.
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NEVER talk to a West Canadian about the bilingual thing. Especially if they had to learn French in school.
Not that I don't think the seperatists are the biggest promoters of huge overkill in the world.
Although I can't see how you can call Canada an OK democracy if the Conservatives got elected.
Well, after that politically charged remark, hopefully it won't be long before this topic detonates and collapses the nearest jump node. I give it 2 days or so at most.
We didn't elect the Conservatives....we un-elected the Liberals. And its a minority government...something that doesn't really happen in U.S. style government. The Conservatives have to have the support of at least a few MPs from another party to get anything pushed through. As nobody wants another election right now...they will go along with things...but they will change bills before they are passed to try and keep the NDP and the Liberals in check. And apparently the Governor General can, if parliament falls, ask another party to try and form a coalition government or form a minority government, if it means preventing follow up snap elections.
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True enough. The only countries not currently going straight to Hell are the UK and Canada.
But the UK has ****ty immigration policies and Canada has French people.
Well nobodys perfect...we'll take the road to hell paved with good intentions instead :D
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Personally, I'd rather sail to Hell along the River Styx in a ship made from the bones of my enemies, with sails made of their skin and crewed by the rotting souls of all those I corrupted along the way.....
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Personally, I'd rather sail to Hell along the River Styx in a ship made from the bones of my enemies, with sails made of their skin and crewed by the rotting souls of all those I corrupted along the way.....
For some reason, I heard that in the voice of Sarge from Red vs. Blue.
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Perfect :lol:
Go Sarge. Although my favorite character is church. And I'm such a stupid romantic that I'm a church/tex shipper. Now that's what I call an accomplishment: I'm almost certainly the only person in the world to support a Red vs. Blue ship.
If you don't know about the 'shipping' terminology, use wikipedia.
Wow. I just made a post completely about RvB in a UK politics thread. Do I get the Off Topic Medal?
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Now that's what I call an accomplishment: I'm almost certainly the only person in the world to support a Red vs. Blue ship.
You are not. You are also now on my hitlist.
Do not expect to be spared when the revolution comes.
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:lol: It's okay, I always knew I would end up on someone's hitlist. However, much more importantly...
ARE THESE OTHER CHURCH/TEX SHIPPERS!? Give me contact info, damnit! We have to start a community, to spread the word. To put more pressure on the RvB team util they yield to our demands.
Do you think we could get HLP to host us? :p
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Perfect :lol:
Go Sarge. Although my favorite character is church. And I'm such a stupid romantic that I'm a church/tex shipper. Now that's what I call an accomplishment: I'm almost certainly the only person in the world to support a Red vs. Blue ship.
If you don't know about the 'shipping' terminology, use wikipedia.
Wow. I just made a post completely about RvB in a UK politics thread. Do I get the Off Topic Medal?
No, just a big pin badge with the words WHINY SHIPPER PUSSY in big, bold letters.
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I'll take that as a complement :cool: