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Title: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 18, 2006, 05:12:48 am
Simple enough topic, VIews please, I personally would back confed all the way.....
for a start their fighters have wheels to land with.  :nod:
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: aldo_14 on May 18, 2006, 05:34:11 am
My money is on the great space-god Flipeerptreoitertsfithopointlessarguementsithonothoimomalley.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 18, 2006, 06:41:23 am
Ok, point taken, but sometimes people like to ramble, Pointless argument anommaly :lol:, (i like it)
No serious takers?
Then hows about Arsenal getting whooped by Barcelona? No Football fans,? Then what do you suppose FS2 peeps play in the year 2XXX ?
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: ShivanSpS on May 18, 2006, 02:17:15 pm
Nah, BOCA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOCA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Cobra on May 18, 2006, 05:14:25 pm
Simple enough topic, VIews please, I personally would back confed all the way.....
for a start their fighters have wheels to land with. :nod:

you do realize that FS fighters most likely operate like a Harrier, right?

Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Mars on May 18, 2006, 05:44:01 pm
No they're launched by the crane thing in the hangerbay... except for the larger bombers of course, which are parked on the floor.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: LordPomposity on May 18, 2006, 08:14:50 pm
The GTVA would win because it has one decisive advantage over the Confederation: beam cannons.  Confed capital ships are  far built around the expectation that their shields will protect them, and a single salvo from an Orion would probably shred a Midway-class carrier (especially due to the idiotically-positioned exposed bridge).  If the Confeds can dig up some flashpacks or figure out how to fire the Midway's plasma cannon without blowing themselves up, they might stand a chance.  GTVA capital ships also have much better anti-fighter weaponry.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: FireCrack on May 19, 2006, 01:15:23 am
Wich confederation is this?
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Fury on May 19, 2006, 01:46:24 am
Wing Commander probably since Midway was mentioned earlier, that's just an educated guess though.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: FireCrack on May 19, 2006, 02:54:47 am
Ah, then the confed is screwed beyond all beleif...
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 19, 2006, 04:15:17 am
Whoa........ Wheres the SAGA  team, they should be defending the true "Terran fleet" (methingss i've gone a little Black Lance) :wtf:

At least confed have working cloaks :p  (in a canon sense)
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Turnsky on May 19, 2006, 04:31:19 am
well, i theorise that some GTVA fighters have landing skids of some sort, the ones with spikes and whatnot, saids spikes would fold upwards as the skids extend, etc, etc.  the rest would use the arrestor hookup system the we know have been used.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 19, 2006, 05:05:30 am
I suppose thats a good enough assumption,   :nod: But i gottta say confed style magnum launches (the ability to launch all fighters quickly not midway tubes), would be more effective in a CQF (close quarter firefight) between capships / carriers.

On the minus side, Intra system jumps beats the snot out of autopilot...
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Dysko on May 19, 2006, 07:52:26 am
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the rest would use the arrestor hookup system the we know have been used

Did you mean like the arrestor cables that can be found on nowadays carriers? When were they used in the FS series?
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 19, 2006, 07:59:32 am
In the main hall, The hook that picks up the fighter in the background, ALthough in retrospect, we never see them pick up fighters that are actually landing (ie mid air- grab) They might just be used to retrieve fighters from storage racks/holding bays for pre flight prep. :confused:
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Dysko on May 19, 2006, 12:13:20 pm
But in the Psamtik main hall in the background you can see an elevator on which there is a Serapis (I think) that takes off like an airplane from a carrier, without the use of any hook. Same for the landing: a Tauret lands like an airplane, without any hook.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Polpolion on May 19, 2006, 04:58:15 pm
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the rest would use the arrestor hookup system the we know have been used

Did you mean like the arrestor cables that can be found on nowadays carriers? When were they used in the FS series?

So thats what all those wired polls coming out of the bottom of fighters are for!
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: AlphaOne on May 19, 2006, 06:52:36 pm
err when are these hooks used exactly? I would imagine they actualy have the option of landing like a harier! And also the abilati to skid land theyr way into the hangars.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Mars on May 19, 2006, 07:31:24 pm
The crane things in the mainhall. Think about this, GTVA fighters don't have a reverse, so how would they land front forwards?
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: aldo_14 on May 19, 2006, 07:51:21 pm
The crane things in the mainhall. Think about this, GTVA fighters don't have a reverse, so how would they land front forwards?

They can stop dead, hover, and turn 360 degrees.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: S-99 on May 20, 2006, 04:53:06 am
I know with terran fighters have that bottom fin on them, except for bombers. Bombers land differently than standard fighters do, for terrans. Vasudan craft really do land differently, as you can tell from the psamtik mainhall. Vasudan fighters all take off like standard airplanes, except for pretty much no runway, they just take off. Vasudan fighter tend to land in the same fashion. No ones seen a terran fighter land, except for going into an orion fighter bay.
One thing that came across my head that would be cool, is if you could actually be deployed from an actual capital ship, or be deployed from a capship, and then warp to your destination. Like get all of that in 3d and part of the mission brief and giving your ship the loadout, then push commit, and you get launched from the capship. That would be kickass :D
Probably on no ones time watch though :lol:
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Dysko on May 20, 2006, 06:38:15 am
So... how lands a terran fighter? Especially a fighter like the Hercules II, with that long fin under the fuselage? And also: what is the use of that long fin?
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Prophet on May 20, 2006, 08:11:47 am
what is the use of that long fin?
What is the use of the other weird spikes you can find in almost every other scifi space ship? You should know better than to ask questions like that. :p
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Charismatic on May 21, 2006, 02:38:51 am
So... how lands a terran fighter? Especially a fighter like the Hercules II, with that long fin under the fuselage? And also: what is the use of that long fin?
IIRC, its' bottom tip is its sensor subsystem. Id imagine maby a unsealed hanger deck or a specially designed landing pad: ______
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Meh, you get the point.
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Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Mars on May 21, 2006, 02:46:22 am
Wow, I'm out of it. Filtered post for my dignity.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: S-99 on May 21, 2006, 03:54:19 am
I would assume, that possibly the sensor fin is probably motorized to the point that it can pull a drag queen maneuver and tuck under the fighter when it gets back on board a capship
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Turnsky on May 21, 2006, 06:16:37 am
I would assume, that possibly the sensor fin is probably motorized to the point that it can pull a drag queen maneuver and tuck under the fighter when it gets back on board a capship

that's what i mean, it wouldn't take that much of a stretch in technology to pull it off
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: S-99 on May 21, 2006, 05:04:08 pm
kicks the **** out of the need for a special landing platform too :lol:
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: AlphaOne on May 22, 2006, 12:41:27 am
Or they could just have a multipurpose landing platform for taking in different ships.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Fury on May 22, 2006, 03:44:52 am
Since GTVA had this pilot exchange program going on during FS2 including Alpha 1 assigned to Psamtik, they must have their fighter bays suitable for both terran and vasudan fighters. At least Hecate and Hatshepsut destroyers can house all GTVA fighters if not older destroyers.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: aldo_14 on May 22, 2006, 03:47:36 am
Since GTVA had this pilot exchange program going on during FS2 including Alpha 1 assigned to Psamtik, they must have their fighter bays suitable for both terran and vasudan fighters. At least Hecate and Hatshepsut destroyers can house all GTVA fighters if not older destroyers.

Maybe the insides of a Hatshepsut are all squidgy.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: AlphaOne on May 22, 2006, 04:49:53 am
well from what we can see there is a mlti pourpose platform that kind of sustains the ships entering the destroyer frum the sides to alow any othe fin or whatever it is to pretrude as it is shown during flight. this is regarding the herculesmkII.

Also the vasudans seem to have some sort of energy field supporting they vessels this would greately improve the speedines with wich they are able to park ships.

I think.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: aldo_14 on May 22, 2006, 05:09:08 am
All FS ships are capable of anti-gravity.  I think Adam Pletcher confirmed the tech level included that in the FS mailing list or similar.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: AlphaOne on May 22, 2006, 05:15:19 am
uhmm then why do they even need specialized landing pads or even landing pads or some sort of grapling hook to help bring ships in?
I mean they could have some sort of inertial sistem mounted in the hangar bay to well stop the thing in its tracks!
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: aldo_14 on May 22, 2006, 05:25:42 am
uhmm then why do they even need specialized landing pads or even landing pads or some sort of grapling hook to help bring ships in?
I mean they could have some sort of inertial sistem mounted in the hangar bay to well stop the thing in its tracks!

Who said they needed specialized landing pads or grappling hooks?
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: AlphaOne on May 22, 2006, 05:35:18 am
errr.....nevermind..point taken.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 22, 2006, 06:02:41 am
On the subject of launching,.. In the first Nebular mission (as in it took part in a nebula) The hercs launched from the aquitaines wing-flap-protuberance-thing, Which is quite far from the Hecates hangar, Any views on this?
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: aldo_14 on May 22, 2006, 06:06:05 am
On the subject of launching,.. In the first Nebular mission (as in it took part in a nebula) The hercs launched from the aquitaines wing-flap-protuberance-thing, Which is quite far from the Hecates hangar, Any views on this?

Probably either had them docked temporarily in order to have a mass-scramble, or for some reason elected to get all the ships out and preflight-checked in the nebula (perhaps to check sensors, etc, worked in the soup) before launching the wings proper.

That, and someone at V no doubt noticed it was much cooler to show fighters 'lifting off' from there than just starting out of the rather crap Hecate launchbay.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 22, 2006, 06:24:49 am
Point :D  With regards to anti grav hangar rams/catch system hypothesised earlier, Why has the orion got a runway? possibly for transports?
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: aldo_14 on May 22, 2006, 06:35:21 am
Point :D  With regards to anti grav hangar rams/catch system hypothesised earlier, Why has the orion got a runway? possibly for transports?

Do we actually know for sure it's a runway?  Could be simply open space to bolt fighters onto; perhaps for scrambling, ala the Hecate, when jumping into attack an enemy blockade.
Title: Re: Confed VS GTVA
Post by: S-99 on May 22, 2006, 09:42:26 pm
Oh believe me, the orion has a runway. it seems logical for the orion. I mean you should watch how ships take off from the orion. More importantly, you should watch how ships go back into the orion. They just follow the runway since it even has a lit up strip for ships to find and follow.