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Title: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Windrunner on May 21, 2006, 04:51:11 pm
Are anyone of you dudes going  to see this movie? From the the looks of the trailer it going to be  a damn good movie.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on May 21, 2006, 04:53:03 pm
Do they fall down?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Windrunner on May 21, 2006, 05:05:23 pm
no idea
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Apathy on May 21, 2006, 05:15:03 pm
there's always this cheesy feel to super hero movies I don't like...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on May 21, 2006, 05:15:58 pm
Quote from: Apathy on May 21, 2006, 05:15:03 pm
there's always this cheesy feel to super hero movies I don't like...

what do you expect?  They wear skin-tight latex and leather for a living!

:D
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Fineus on May 21, 2006, 05:27:15 pm
But out of all the super-hero movies (or the latest crop of CG movies... Underworld, Hellboy, Spiderman etc..) X Men and Spiderman are a lot better than the others in my opinion. They work where others don't.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on May 21, 2006, 05:29:24 pm
Quote from: Kalfireth on May 21, 2006, 05:27:15 pm
But out of all the super-hero movies (or the latest crop of CG movies... Underworld, Hellboy, Spiderman etc..) X Men and Spiderman are a lot better than the others in my opinion. They work where others don't.

I quite liked Hellboy, myself.  Although the SFX for the dog-monster were rather dodgy.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Sandwich on May 21, 2006, 05:54:02 pm
Don't forget Batman Begins. :) And Superman Returns might be decent, too.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: an0n on May 21, 2006, 06:04:01 pm
Superman Returns looks awesome.

The Jor-El speech in the trailer is outright ****ing inspiring.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Mefustae on May 21, 2006, 09:43:48 pm
Quote from: an0n on May 21, 2006, 06:04:01 pm
The Jor-El speech in the trailer is outright ****ing inspiring.
Linky. Now.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Grug on May 21, 2006, 10:26:32 pm
Google son GOOGLE! (http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/trailer.html)

Lazy bloody southerner's! :p
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Mefustae on May 21, 2006, 10:29:49 pm
Quote from: Grug on May 21, 2006, 10:26:32 pm
Lazy bloody southerner's! :p
You come down here and say that, northern wanker! :p
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Grug on May 21, 2006, 10:33:03 pm
Quote from: Mefustae on May 21, 2006, 10:29:49 pm
Quote from: Grug on May 21, 2006, 10:26:32 pm
Lazy bloody southerner's! :p
You come down here and say that, northern wanker! :p

Couldn't be bothered. :p

Next time I'm down there though, and have the effort to look you up. See you then. ;)

Edit: Both Superman movies: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Bobboau on May 21, 2006, 11:17:52 pm
"bad public movie ayom"?
apple is weird...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: kode on May 22, 2006, 04:17:42 am
I'm gonna see x-men 3. and I'll probably ****ing love it.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 22, 2006, 07:38:10 am
I haven't seen it yet but from the tv ad, Its about time they had bloomin sentinels in it. (i'm certain you see a sentinel head at one point)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: vyper on May 22, 2006, 08:35:37 am
I could've seen it at 1130 this morning, but had to work on presentation slides. :hopping:
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Wild Fragaria on May 22, 2006, 11:25:19 am
I have been waiting for X3 to come out and I will go see it this Friday if the theater isn't too busy in the afternoon  :)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ulala on May 22, 2006, 12:26:49 pm
I liked the first one okay, I liked the second one better, I hope I like the third. I'm going to see it, absolutely.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Sandwich on May 22, 2006, 04:23:27 pm
Quote from: Colonol Dekker on May 22, 2006, 07:38:10 am
Its about time they had bloomin sentinels in it. (i'm certain you see a sentinel head at one point)

??
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: an0n on May 23, 2006, 12:30:59 am
Far as I know, the Sentinels only appear in the Danger Room sequence.

But I could be wrong.

Live in hope and whatnot.

Incidentally: X3, POTC2 and Superman Returns look good enough that I might once again venture into the Land of the Blue Ceiling and watch them at the cinema.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ulala on May 23, 2006, 01:03:55 am
I'm excited for the new Pirates as well. Still haven't decided on Superman yet.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Windrunner on May 23, 2006, 08:21:43 am
I wonder why the hell does all the good movies have premier in late spring or in summer? In winter when a guy needs a good movie to watch there are none.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Wild Fragaria on May 23, 2006, 09:43:11 am
Quote from: Windrunner on May 23, 2006, 08:21:43 am
I wonder why the hell does all the good movies have premier in late spring or in summer? In winter when a guy needs a good movie to watch there are none.

Winter is a hybernating season for most animals  :p
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ulala on May 26, 2006, 01:21:15 pm
Well I'm going to see it with the girl tonight.. hope it doesn't suck.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Cobra on May 26, 2006, 01:30:03 pm
Quote from: Sandwich on May 22, 2006, 04:23:27 pm
Quote from: Colonol Dekker on May 22, 2006, 07:38:10 am
Its about time they had bloomin sentinels in it. (i'm certain you see a sentinel head at one point)

??

those big ****in' huge robots. I think it was Magneto who created them.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Turambar on May 26, 2006, 01:55:51 pm
i'm the juggernaut, *****!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Night Hammer on May 26, 2006, 03:35:08 pm
Not sure how I feel about it, but all signs point to disappointed
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Mefustae on May 26, 2006, 10:21:36 pm
Quote from: Cobra on May 26, 2006, 01:30:03 pm
I think it was Magneto who created them.
No, no, no, no, no!

Think about it, why the hell would a man who strives for Mutant superiority engineer machines that hunt mutants?!

See the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel_%28comics%29) article for how many shades of wrong you are.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ford Prefect on May 26, 2006, 10:30:01 pm
I just saw it, and uhhhhh, the writers really went on a killing spree. Also, to anyone who's going to see it, very important: Stay for the end of the credits.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Carl on May 27, 2006, 09:25:14 pm
Oh, don't worry. Although it seemed like half of the cast died, if you've ever read any comic books then you know that they always bring them back to life somehow.

watch this:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Rictor on May 27, 2006, 09:41:43 pm
Though I haven't seen it, it seems to me that they've been using the "mutants vs humans" angle too much. There are other storylines in the X-Men. This is three movies where basically it's normals vs mutants and it's getting old. How about a Dark Phoenix movie. Or Age of Apocalypse. Or Onslaught. Or Operation Zero Tolerance. Or one about Wolverine and Weapon X. Any of those would be a refreshing change from the groove they seem to have fallen into.

Also, from what I've seen in the trailer, the Juggernaut looks retarded. He's supposed to be a mountain, not some short guy in a stupid helmet. And where the hell in Gambit? Three movies the Ragin' Cajun has yet to appear? Inexcusable.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ace on May 27, 2006, 10:16:19 pm
Quote from: Ford Prefect on May 26, 2006, 10:30:01 pm
I just saw it, and uhhhhh, the writers really went on a killing spree. Also, to anyone who's going to see it, very important: Stay for the end of the credits.

Ahh crap, saw it earlier today and left a few minutes into the credits :p
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: BlackDove on May 27, 2006, 10:59:34 pm
Move was bull****.

Rushed. Stupidly planned.

"I'm the Juggernaught *****" really sums up the quality of the movie and story quite well.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: phatosealpha on May 28, 2006, 12:00:29 am
What, you mean after the Oh so wonderful ending of the last one, that it's not a good flick?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Night Hammer on May 28, 2006, 02:20:37 am
Quote from: Ford Prefect on May 26, 2006, 10:30:01 pm
I just saw it, and uhhhhh, the writers really went on a killing spree. Also, to anyone who's going to see it, very important: Stay for the end of the credits.

Well I missed that, care to share?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ulala on May 28, 2006, 02:40:40 am
Warning, spoiler.

Seems like Wolverine could've snagged a few more of those "mutant cure" darts (or saved one or two of those used on Magneto) and stabbed those into Jean/Phoenix instead of his claw. But then that wouldn't be enough characters killed off I suppose.

Also, the angel winged mutant seemed a little under-developed, especially for how cool having angel wings could be (although yes, there are cooler).

All in all, I thought it could've been worse/better. Meh.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Bobboau on May 28, 2006, 03:07:44 am
she needed to die, like she did last movie, it's how the comic worked.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ulala on May 28, 2006, 05:21:13 am
As for the post-credits scene (warning, another spoiler): As if Magneto moving his chess piece at the end of the movie wasn't enough to say "sequel on the way!", they show the brain dead guy in the hospital that Professor Xavier refers to in ethics class towards the beginning of the movie; the nurse/doctor/lady Charles knows (she was in the video he showed to the class) says good morning to the brain dead patient, and the brain dead patient responds with "hello whateveryournameis" (in Patrick Stewart's voice), and she looks at him in astonishment and says, "Charles?" The screen goes black.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: WMCoolmon on May 28, 2006, 12:42:16 pm
Quote from: Ulala on May 28, 2006, 02:40:40 am
Seems like Wolverine could've snagged a few more of those "mutant cure" darts (or saved one or two of those used on Magneto) and stabbed those into Jean/Phoenix instead of his claw. But then that wouldn't be enough characters killed off I suppose.

While the Phoenix took no notice of the dart, and/or did nothing about it?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Bobboau on May 28, 2006, 01:08:34 pm
well she didn't seem to notice his foot and a half long, razor sharp, realy realy shiny claws...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Turambar on May 28, 2006, 01:16:31 pm
she coulda taken wolverine apart, just like all those other people, she must have subconsciously wanted him to do what he did

plus, i think she was powerful enough that one of those darts wouldnt have worked on her.  of course, i think that this 'cure' wears off after time, just like when you get far away from the leech, your mutation comes back. same deal here.

also: since when has any pharmaceudical company decided to sell a cure for something when they had a treatment that they could sell more than once?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ulala on May 28, 2006, 02:52:23 pm
Yeah, being able to rip substances apart by the molecules seems like it should apply even to adamantium (sp?). I'll accept subconscious thought for that one though.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Rand al Thor on May 28, 2006, 07:22:53 pm
It was a pretty big Turkey.

Although I nearly cried when Picar.... I mean Xavier died.  Now if you'll excuse me. I have to reinforce some old therapy.


I am a strong independent male. I do not need Star Trek to be happy. I realise that the cliched plots, the endless technobabble, and the (excluding Patrick Stewart) shoddy acting make every episode cringeworthy. When I feel the need to watch star trek, I will simply say No. I will not put the posters back up. Riker Was Fat.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aceofspades on May 28, 2006, 11:45:15 pm
That is the best speech ever.
Also, the Jor-El speech? "I have sent them you, my only son"? Use of widespread Judero-Christian tradition in Western culture, anybody...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: BlackDove on May 29, 2006, 01:38:06 am
You do know that Superman is Jewish right?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aceofspades on May 29, 2006, 02:42:44 am
...the character was raised jewish by his surrogate family? Or the actor is jewish? Or the creator is jewish?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: BlackDove on May 29, 2006, 03:21:41 pm
Joseph Shuster and Jeremiah Siegel.

It really doesn't get any more Jewish than that.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ace on May 29, 2006, 04:31:39 pm
Yeah, but at least Superman doesn't demand worship.

Wait a sec... Jesus is Zod!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on May 29, 2006, 04:54:39 pm
Jesus is Vasudan?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: vyper on May 29, 2006, 05:41:51 pm
Spoiler:
WORST EDITING EVAR!
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: WMCoolmon on May 30, 2006, 04:27:44 am
I love the Phoenix music track.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: IPAndrews on May 30, 2006, 05:03:26 am
So can someone tell me withou spoling the movie too much what this Dark Phoenix thing is about?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Bobboau on May 30, 2006, 05:09:48 am
jean grey's god like alter ego, has limited reasoning skills, goes evil
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Unknown Target on May 30, 2006, 06:19:04 am
Meh, I thought the movie was...ok. It had no sensitivity to the emotional side of what was happening, and on top of that, you had no chance to absorb anything. One thing I was especially pissed at was...
EDIT: Where'd the spoiler tags go?! Scroll down for it.






















[major spoiler]
Spoiler:
When Xavier got killed, it wasn't more than TWO SCENES LATER that we were treated to some stupid Malibu High teeny bopper "you're stealing my boyfriend" crap. Something as monumental as Xavier's death should have had more reprucussions than a funeral scene and some shots of empty wheel chairs. On top of that, they belittled the whole thing by putting that stupid rouge/daryl or w/e his name is crap.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 30, 2006, 08:14:36 am
I gotta say the best x-men thing ever, is the cartoon series without a doubt, We just need kyle reese/hicks to play Cable. He is imho the toughest badass mutant. Shame about his dad being such a wuss.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on May 30, 2006, 08:42:26 am
If only Jack Nicholson was about 40 years younger, we'd have the perfect Wolverine right there :(
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 30, 2006, 08:51:52 am
He does have that special "Logan Snarly/Grin" down to a "T" :nod:
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on May 30, 2006, 09:01:10 am
Yup, he's got that same level of self-cynicism that I love about the character :)

In fact, even 10-15 years ago with the help of CG, he would have been good, more in-line with the Marvel Comics as well where he's generally depicted of undefined middle age (He fought alongside Cap America during WW2, I've always considered him one of the 'old guard' mutants, not Apocalypse-old but still one who came into their powers a few generations before the 'X-Gene' properly took a hold).
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Janos on May 30, 2006, 09:03:15 am
Quote from: Colonol Dekker on May 30, 2006, 08:14:36 am
I gotta say the best x-men thing ever, is the cartoon series without a doubt, We just need kyle reese/hicks to play Cable. He is imho the toughest badass mutant. Shame about his dad being such a wuss.

The only good thing about Cable is that he and Deadpool share the same comic. It's like bubonic plague - it's bad, but at least I have it so there must be something good about it (by proxy).

Cable is the ultimate 90s Liefeldian* tough bad in-your-face over-the-top boring character there is. HE USES HIS MIND TO KEEP A TECHNOVIRUS CONTAINED and he is superhyperpowerful supertelepath and his glowing eye switches sides and he has a cybord arm and a ****load of ridiculous guns and swords and whatever.

*literally too, mein gott
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 30, 2006, 09:05:33 am
Cable ist super,
Quote
Cable is the ultimate 90s Liefeldian* tough bad in-your-face over-the-top boring character there is. HE USES HIS MIND TO KEEP A TECHNOVIRUS CONTAINED and he is superhyperpowerful supertelepath and his glowing eye switches sides and he has a cybord arm and a ****load of ridiculous guns and swords and whatever.


Exactly  :nod: :lol: :headz:
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ulala on May 30, 2006, 09:22:38 am
News blurb:

Quote
The final installment in the X-Men trilogy ruled the box office this weekend, scoring the fourth best opening of all time. The $120.1 million, four-day opening also made X-Men: The Final Stand the most successful Memorial Day weekend movie of all time

They screwed up though; I thought it was "The Last Stand."

[edit]*Reads thread title* Yeah.. missed that until after I posted.  :rolleyes: :p [/edit]
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Getter Robo G on May 30, 2006, 01:00:22 pm
I screwed up a long post yesterday so here's the short version...

1.) They screw over some very important characters that in this era would be Veterans of the X-men.

2.) TOTALLY cheesed out on the Sentinels (I was uber disappointed).

3.) Phoenix? Please, it was merely Jean Grey at her "full potential" she always could do that on her own. Her morality kept her in check. Phoenix is a seperate personality with UBER powers far beyond what Jean can do (that thing she does is nothing spectacular for "The Phoenix"..)

4.) Phoenix herself needed to remote control a beam cannon on the blue area of the moon built by the Shiar to kill herself. Thing was like a mile wide... NUff said about that certain scene cop out

5.) No Gambit or Jubilee.... Dammit!

6.) Now there will never be Rachel Summers (New Phoenix) or Christopher Summers (aka Cable)...   You bastards!!!!

They had 3 chances to "get it right" and it became one big train wreck by the end. If you know nothing about X-men except from the movies, good you will like or even love it. However, hard core fans are likely to be sorely disappointed at all the inconsistances and mis-implementation of important characters..

Forget the characters age thing a second. Let's get more basic, Trask dammit, he's WHITE!!! (no offense to the actor)

Sorta like How Billy D in Batman was Harvey Dent (eventually TWO-FACE) then in the third movie it was Tommy Lee Jones) who in my opinion should have been casted from the start he was awesome.

I mean is the guy black or white, just pick a friggen color (make him green for all I care.) Sorry but sometimes I think fan films are more faithful to teh source material then some of these "big budget" ones...

(Grumble)...   :mad: :confused: :shaking: :hopping: ::) :( :nervous:

Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: NGTM-1R on May 30, 2006, 01:27:54 pm
Comics are inherent trainwrecks. It's the nature of their form of storytelling. You really can't blame the movies based on them for going the same way.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Blaise Russel on May 30, 2006, 01:36:39 pm
ffs

It's the movie, not the comic: LET IT GO.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Ulala on May 30, 2006, 02:20:55 pm
It could have been worse.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: redsniper on May 30, 2006, 03:25:55 pm
It could have been a lot better.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on May 30, 2006, 03:27:25 pm
Quote from: Blaise Russel on May 30, 2006, 01:36:39 pm
ffs

It's the movie, not the comic: LET IT GO.

I'd have to agree with this sentiment.  You have the comic, why the hell would you need to see exactly the same thing again?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Turambar on May 30, 2006, 03:53:34 pm
i just get this feeling that the people who made the movies never really read the comics, and just had basic knowledge of the characters.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on May 30, 2006, 07:52:48 pm
Well, I still think that one of the best comic-movie conversions was Flash Gordon, for the simple fact that just about everyone kept a straight face despite being in entirely ridiculous situations, uttering completely ridiculous lines and generally taking the piss. It was practically the comic book bought to life in that respect :) And I always loved the way they stuck to the 'old' Flash Gordon Comic school of modelling, rather than try to bring the movie 'up to date' with other sci-fi's of the time.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Mefustae on May 31, 2006, 12:06:42 am
I preferred Flesh Gordon myself. :p
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Fineus on May 31, 2006, 05:18:52 pm
Ok... just saw it and:

Firstly, I've not seen the comics. I know a vague background of some of the charachters but thats it - all I've really learnt about X-Men has been from the movies.

I enjoyed the film.

Tonnes of action, a few nice lines and an interesting storyline - I enjoyed watching it and will do again.

However I do have a few bones to pick. The whole thing moved to fast... everyone going all over the bloody shop and acting pretty much on their own... it made keeping tabs on the story somewhat tricky as you never got a chance to settle. It hopped too much.

The love interest between Rogue, Iceman and the girl who can run through walls was a complete waste of space. I don't know if Rogue walked out on Iceman without so much as a word in the comics but here the whole thing wasn't interesting enough to be worth including and just long enough to take the focus off the important stuff. As someone else has pointed out, just a few scenes after Xaviers death (and lets face it, he's an important charachter) we have ice skating on a frozen pond? I know Iceman was doing that to cheer the girl up and all but really... I'd have preferred it if the whole film had a slightly darker and more apocalyptic feel... after all we do lose some integral charachters and see some pretty evil stuff going on.

That said.. as an action conversion of a comic book story it's not bad at all... perhaps not my favourite of the three (I preferred X Men 2 to be honest) but still a good film in its own right.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Mongoose on June 01, 2006, 01:22:39 pm
Nice to see that someone else liked it. :p

Personally, I thought the movie kicked all kinds of ass; it was probably my favorite of the three.  (Honestly, when I heard a few people saying it was "abysmal" afterwards, all I could think of was, "What the hell are you on?")  Lots of action, which when it comes down to it is what summer blockbusters are all about, and I thought that they got the emotional parts right, as well. It was great to see Storm get a bigger role, along with an expanded cast of mutants.  I didn't mind the faster pace; if anything, I thought that the first film dragged somewhat, although the second was decidedly better in that regard.  I was thrown for a loop several times, especially when Xavier was offed; that had me sitting there stunned.  The visual of the Golden Gate Bridge flying through midair was just awesome.  And who knew that Jean Grey was actually a total badass?  I'm not a comics reader (nor do I ever intend to be), nor did I ever watch any X-men animated series, but on their own, I can honestly say that I really enjoyed all three movies.

(That ending after the credits was a huge shocker, too, as was the fact that that vaccine didn't seem as permanent on Magneto as everyone would have hoped.  I have heard that there were plans for possible spinoffs in the works, so we'll see what happens.)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Unknown Target on June 01, 2006, 01:36:28 pm
Quote from: Mongoose on June 01, 2006, 01:22:39 pm

(That ending after the credits was a huge shocker, too, as was the fact that that vaccine didn't seem as permanent on Magneto as everyone would have hoped.  I have heard that there were plans for possible spinoffs in the works, so we'll see what happens.)


I thought that whole thing with the vaccine not being permanent just killed whatever the movie had left in it. I mean, when we last saw Magneto, it actually struck a cord with me...I felt sorry for him, a man who was once on top of the world, and had everything, now is an old, weak man with nothing left, and not a friend in the world (the empty chair I took to mean Xavier). Then they went and made him move the chess piece and it was like OMG OMG OMG ACTION HOLY COW HE CAN STILL DO IT! WOOHOO THIS IS SUCH A FREAKING RIDE! PAY ATTENTION TO THIS MOVIE CAUSE IT'S GOT ACTIOOOON!!!111oneoneone
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on June 01, 2006, 01:58:44 pm
Aside; there is a Wolverine spinoff mooted.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on June 01, 2006, 02:02:40 pm
Yeah, but in keeping with Marvel Tradition, you have to go watch Spidey 3, The Hulk 2 and read Incredible X-Men to get the whole of the plot ;)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Windrunner on June 01, 2006, 02:05:23 pm
Quote from: aldo_14 on June 01, 2006, 01:58:44 pm
Aside; there is a Wolverine spinoff mooted.

yeah and one about magneto too.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Fineus on June 01, 2006, 02:07:16 pm
Could someone tell me about the ending after the credits? We left by that point.. didn't think there'd be any more to it.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on June 01, 2006, 02:13:15 pm
No Offence to Ian McKellan, but I still think that Rutger Hauer would have made a better Magneto, not that he does a bad job by a long shot but...

(http://www.kinomaniak.pl/osoby/2rutger_hauer/photo.jpg)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: vyper on June 02, 2006, 01:27:13 pm
Er no Flip... just no.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Rand al Thor on June 02, 2006, 01:29:32 pm
Basically Kalfireth, it cuts to a hospital room with a shot over the shoulder of the patient in bed focused on the doctor, the friend of Xavier, checking his stats. Turns out it's the guy with no consciousness, we see him turn his head, and in Xavier's voice say something like "Hello Marie", resulting in a look of dramatic shock on Marie.

Basically Xavier's alive, though how he kept his own voice..... although I suppose he could've said that telepathically.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Fineus on June 02, 2006, 01:33:56 pm
Ahh.. so they killed both him and Magneto off but not really.. nice.

Cheers for the explanation. It'll be interesting to see what any possible sequel holds...
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Mongoose on June 02, 2006, 01:58:39 pm
UT, I felt really sorry for him too, but just ending with him sitting there, completely alone, reduced to a doddering old fool, just wouldn't have sat right with me.  I like the idea that this "mutant panacea" wasn't really some cure-all for the whole mutant issue.  It also opens up the question of what'll happen to Rogue; if this vaccine isn't really effective, she'll wind up getting a rude awakening sooner or later.

Or actually, Bobby will. :p
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on June 02, 2006, 02:03:53 pm
Quote from: vyper on June 02, 2006, 01:27:13 pm
Er no Flip... just no.

Any particular reason why, or just... no ;)
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: vyper on June 02, 2006, 05:26:35 pm
Because McKellan was much better suited to the role.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on June 02, 2006, 05:27:23 pm
Quote from: vyper on June 02, 2006, 05:26:35 pm
Because McKellan was much better suited to the role.

He doesn't get to say 'darling' at any point though, does he?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on June 02, 2006, 05:34:20 pm
Well, he did a good job at the role, I'll never deny that, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he was suited to it, Ian McKellan is a good actor, and he did a good job, which is what he gets paid for. Rutger Hauer has his bad days, he got roped into a lot of cheesy medieval 'tit-flicks' after BladeRunner, but whenever I read the Marvel Comics and see Magneto, I always get a Rutger Hauer type impression from him.

Ian McKellan in not Magneto in the same way the Patrick Stewart is Xavier, at least not in my opinion.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on June 02, 2006, 05:36:50 pm
You're just thinking of the hair though, aren't you?
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on June 02, 2006, 05:58:44 pm
Probably Yes for both Hauer and Stewart to a degree, but Hauer has an intensity when acting that I always thought matched Magneto pretty well, that love of drama, and Stewart does have that cold, incisive way of talking that made him a good match for Xavier's character as well.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: aldo_14 on June 02, 2006, 06:01:01 pm
Quote from: Flipside on June 02, 2006, 05:58:44 pm
Probably Yes for both Hauer and Stewart to a degree, but Hauer has an intensity when acting that I always thought matched Magneto pretty well, that love of drama, and Stewart does have that cold, incisive way of talking that made him a good match for Xavier's character as well.

Let's face it, they could make a film of Patrick Stewart reading the phonebook and most people would still pay a fiver to get in.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on June 02, 2006, 06:13:07 pm
LOL True, he's pretty popular at the moment, good for him too, he worked bloody hard as one of the 'Also Starring' for a long time :)

I think it's the voice, 'Mr LaForge set course.... For T'Pub!'
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: WMCoolmon on June 02, 2006, 09:30:32 pm
Rutger Hauer just doesn't seem like he'd fit the part very well. I can't see him having the same kind of Vaderish politely-evil attitude with the same kind of potency.
Title: Re: X-Men: The Last Stand
Post by: Flipside on June 02, 2006, 09:40:32 pm
Well, I keep thinking of the scene where he meets his creator in Blade Runner, he was polite, almost jovial, intelligent and, just under the surface, furious. I always felt that Magneto was more that kind of character, though once again, my experience with Marvel Comics may taint things here, since I'm expecting to see the 'Onslaught'ness of him hovering just under the surface :)