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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fineus on May 26, 2006, 09:06:05 am
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So here I am thinking "oh for ****s sake... not more Big Brother", and it got me thinking... am I the odd one out, the angsty one, for hating the society I'm supposed to be a part of?
Or am I the enlightened one who sees this sort of thing for the rubbish it is?
Or does nobody really care?
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By a odd coincidence, I too had an encounter with Big Brother. About 20 minutes ago I accidentally [and I must stress it was not intentional] to the lastest and poorest Big Brother series, and after about 16 seconds of pure, mindnumbing stupidity, I came to an epiphany. The human race is a stupid, destructive plague upon this planet, spreading like a virus, destroying anything it touches, including itself. This cannot be allowed to continue.
Big Brother has proven to me that the human race does not deserve to exist, and as such I vow to destroy it in its entirety.
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So here I am thinking "oh for ****s sake... not more Big Brother", and it got me thinking... am I the odd one out, the angsty one, for hating the society I'm supposed to be a part of?
Or am I the enlightened one who sees this sort of thing for the rubbish it is?
Or does nobody really care?
Second one, I'd say.
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By a odd coincidence, I too had an encounter with Big Brother. About 20 minutes ago I accidentally [and I must stress it was not intentional] to the lastest and poorest Big Brother series, and after about 16 seconds of pure, mindnumbing stupidity, I came to an epiphany. The human race is a stupid, destructive plague upon this planet, spreading like a virus, destroying anything it touches, including itself. This cannot be allowed to continue.
Big Brother has proven to me that the human race does not deserve to exist, and as such I vow to destroy it in its entirety.
:lol:
I can't help but agree though!
*cue Nuke posting "told yah so!"* :p
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Thank your lucky stars you don't like in the States, otherwise your head would have likely imploded by now. I heard that the final vote for American Idol pulled in more people than any Presidential candidate has been able to get, ever.
It can get a bit maddening at times. But then I think about Kit Kat bars, crunchy, chocolately goodness, and everything is OK again.
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yeah, society sucks
its cause the music sucks, but there's an underlying problem that's causing the music to suck, and i can't put my finger on it
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See, that's the beauty of Democracy.
Nothing works, because everyone's an idiot. But because they're idiots, after someone has been voted into power and done nothing but line their own pockets, the unwashed masses can be easily duped into thinking the government has made huge advances.
So everyone's happy. The idiots are happy because they've been told they're happy, and the leaders are happy because they've got a new £30mil yacht.
As for the extermination of mankind: It's been on my to-do list for like the past 8 years.
Get fit, get money, get rich, get famous, get a ****load of nuclear weapons, get power, get more weapons, get more power, destroy mankind.
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Yeah Big Brother is a steaming pile of crap.
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Yeah, and the trick is to find a way of living in middle of crap, without getting too soiled.
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Yeah, and the trick is to find a way of living in middle of crap, without getting too soiled.
Wellies.
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Total freedom is not possible, there will always be a "Big Brother" so to speak. I usually just say, "Get over it, and try to become big brother yourself".
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Nah, I'd rather opt for aldo's idea
(http://www.hunter-usa.com/fishing-thigh-waders.jpg)
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*cue Nuke posting "told yah so!"* :p
oh yea, this is one of those threads.
*climes on the crazy rant box*
*cracks knuckles*
yes im glad that so many see the great unnamed error of the human race. it sickens me quite abit. while it may temporarily please me i tend to point my finger at my favorite scapegoat (the christians), that is more for my own psycological stability and really has nothing to do with fixing the problem. the reality is the problem is unfixable. one must maintain sainty of course. you see we have made the art of survival so absurdly complex and inneffieteint that it no longer seems desirable. fact of the matter its more common for people in the world to wipe their ass with their hand and eat bugs, than it is for people to live like we do. political factions tend to serve a short term role. seems noone can think beyond their own life span. religious organizations propogate a message the understanding of which is long forgotten. people seem to hate racists more than they hate child molesters. presidents rave when they create jobs, even though most of those jobs do nothing for society. teens with cellphones polute the rf spectrums with talk getting smached, stoned, ****ed, ect. bums and welfare crazys get better health care than those that hold jobs. the list goes on and on. all the systems of civilization are mere parasites upon one another. feeding off of eachother so that they may propagate, spawning new breeds of parasites. all theese parasites feed off of mankind as well. seems theres no life left in a human. all our equilibriums with nature are gone. i view things like nuclear weapons, hate groups, new plagues, chmical and biological weapons, good old fashoned warefare, car accidents, plane crashes, national socialism, terrorist attacks, ect. as good things that attept to restore some of that equilibriums. note how as our equilibrium goes out the window, such 'good things' things get worse. i view this as nature's way of compensating for our own stupidity. the social hate and angst, is part of the system, so dont feel bad when youre in that particular mood, think of youself as a screw in a hard drive hub in a server in a vast banik of computers, whren your part of the machine comes on, you go for a sipn. here i must remind you all about my non-belief in free will. as a hypothetical statement, if it does exist, it is likely not to exist in everyone. as furter hypothetical speculation, if an individual can posess free will, so can other complex systems, natural or otherwise (this means computers, the entire human race, weather, language, hell even ant farms). you see i am what they call a nihilist. now some would argue that nihilism is a load of bull, that admiting to it defies its existance. that assumption is dependant on the belief in free will by the one that claims to be a nihilist, which i obviously dont have. how do i propose to fix the unnamed error? you may ask. there are 2 aparant paths, the first is total anihilation of all life on the planet, the second is a total and global reconstruction of society. it must be engineered as a machine, for that seems all we really are. i however think im in the blow it all up crowd. :D
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See whenever I start going down this path I get really depressed and I promise myself not to do it again. Thinking about:
1) Government
2) The future
It all makes me depressed. So I try and distract myself with work, video games, DVD's, and dreaming about buying a car. We're all truly ****ed...and its been like that since we decide that living in small tribal towns and making fires was a great idea and we should just all go on doing that.
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Hm......
(Yes! a good argument)
while it may temporarily please me i tend to point my finger at my favorite scapegoat (the christians), that is more for my own psycological stability and really has nothing to do with fixing the problem.
Please don`t post crud about stuff like this. If you think Christians and I are the ones to blame the stupidity of the human race you are lost. We are probably the only people who give a dam and try to stop it. While you nihilists just think there is no hope and want to nuke the planet 8 times! What exactly will this accomplish? Absolutly nothing. :mad2:
(sigh....)
I don`t mean bash your believes but, you did bash mine first.
Why don`t we all take a load off and drink some starbucks coffee. My treat!
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Hm......
(Yes! a good argument)
while it may temporarily please me i tend to point my finger at my favorite scapegoat (the christians), that is more for my own psycological stability and really has nothing to do with fixing the problem.
Please don`t post crud about stuff like this. If you think Christians and I are the ones to blame the stupidity of the human race you are lost. We are probably the only people who give a dam and try to stop it. While you nihilists just think there is no hope and want to nuke the planet 8 times! What exactly will this accomplish? Absolutly nothing. :mad2:
(sigh....)
I don`t mean bash your believes but, you did bash mine first.
Why don`t we all take a load off and drink some starbucks coffee. My treat!
Christians are as much to blame for the state of the planet as any and every other religious, national, cultural, ethnic, etc group you can name. So describing Christianity as being the sole scapegoat (to be fair, not what Nuke did) is wrong, but equally so is 'We are probably the only people who give a dam and try to stop it'.
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he missed the entire point of the statement. while i said:
while it may temporarily please me i tend to point my finger at my favorite scapegoat (the christians), that is more for my own psycological stability and really has nothing to do with fixing the problem.
he read:
christians suck
you see as soon as he saw "the christians", his mind stopped caring about my opinion and entered a defensive state, to defend his organization and the part of his personality it has imprinted itself upon. we all have our scapegoats, wether it be the chistians, jews, muslims, conservatives, hippies, blacks, whites, americans, bush, or nihilists, doesnt matter. he can blame my way as much as i can blame his, and it is fair. it is also natural for humans to blame all their problems on one thing and call it done, while in reality the problems are caused by all the systems and their various interactions. i stated, in the same sentance, "...that is more for my own psycological stability and really has nothing to do with fixing the problem.", yet in his defensive mode, read no further and started typing his retaliation. may it be that you learned something from this little excersize. i must also point out that i did not bash your religion, i mearly declared it as my scapegoat.
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Hm......
(Yes! a good argument)
while it may temporarily please me i tend to point my finger at my favorite scapegoat (the christians), that is more for my own psycological stability and really has nothing to do with fixing the problem.
Please don`t post crud about stuff like this. If you think Christians and I are the ones to blame the stupidity of the human race you are lost. We are probably the only people who give a dam and try to stop it. While you nihilists just think there is no hope and want to nuke the planet 8 times! What exactly will this accomplish? Absolutly nothing. :mad2:
(sigh....)
I don`t mean bash your believes but, you did bash mine first.
Why don`t we all take a load off and drink some starbucks coffee. My treat!
Christians are as much to blame for the state of the planet as any and every other religious, national, cultural, ethnic, etc group you can name. So describing Christianity as being the sole scapegoat (to be fair, not what Nuke did) is wrong, but equally so is 'We are probably the only people who give a dam and try to stop it'.
Yay sorry.............
I was in a bad mood earlier. Sorry if I offended anybody. I just don`t like my religon being called somebodies scapegoat.
Edit:I read your post Nuke and I didn`t agree thats all.
Icefire: Makes me a little depresed too. :sigh:
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Kernal, as much as I understand and I totally understand bad moods because I'm a hell of a bad mood right now but try and not take so much offense over that whole thing. People take their religion far too seriously. Frankly I'm personally offended all the time by all sorts of things that people say and do and unless its worth shouting about its probably better to just smile and move along. Thats what I got out of church whenever I went to it (admittedly I belong to a hippie church so take it as you will)...paitence, forgiveness, all of those good warm fuzzy things that actually should mean something.
And I'm totally not advocating the Christian religion being purely the scapegoat for the worlds problems either...but the religion has done its share of screwing things up.
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Please don`t post crud about stuff like this. If you think Christians and I are the ones to blame the stupidity of the human race you are lost. We are probably the only people who give a dam and try to stop it.
I'd believe you, minus that whole apocalypse bit and the fundamentalist movements. Which means that there is a vested ideological interest in the religion on not having long term planning due to the whole focus on the world being temporary.
Nihilism is just as bad, but it's more direct and honest about it. Functionally though a revealed religion is nihilism due to the combination of "only a select few will be saved, the end is near" and the need to not claim that one is saved because hubris is viewed as a sin that prevents saving.
It's really just a very ****ed up nihilism.
Which further adds to how people are stupid.
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i wouldnt take my statement to seriously really. scapegoats just keep people sane. im probibly the biggest psycho on this board (really, im not one of those trendy psychos) so i need every scrap of sanity i can scrape up. still it mayes me question, why is the first commandment of any religion something around the lines of "dont blasphem". religions really serve two purposes, a double edged sword, on one edge it guides and instructs with philisophical underdones, this is the edge that attracts followers, the good edge. the other edge, to maintain the power of the establishers of that religion, which attracts the power hungry and tyranical. there are always 2 sides to any human creation. mind you the roman empire still rules this earth.
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Again with "equlibrium" this and "balance" that. There is no equilibrium. If you assert that humanity has violated an equilibrium, you assert intent. Intent implies consciousness, and to assign consciousness to our environment is to assert, huh huh, GOD. Natural law cannot be violated, that's what makes it natural law. Anything we can do is natural, or we wouldn't be able to do it. Only in fantasy worlds does nature have metaphysical "rules" that we can violate, but we just shouldn't. That's nothing but the plain and simple anthropomorphizing of nature, and that is what we call "religion". The real nature doesn't give a **** what happens to us one way or the other. This is why so-called "nihilism" always ends up pissing in its own face. People get into saying "Destroy! Destroy!" until it's anything but the acceptance of utter meaninglessness; it's just another cause to advocate, another cross to bear. It is, by definition, impossible to live according to meaninglessness; meaninglessness is something we devote our lives to pretending isn't there, and you can tell when someone has stopped pretending because they're not advocating anything systematic, they're just ****ed up or dead.
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you see i consider what most would call unnatural manmade (tools, organizations, techonology, the ability to store information and such) things simply as an natural extesion to our species. in that i dont consider them unnatural at all. the rules of nature make us what we are, what we do is not by choice but simply the outcome of a natural chain reaction. the reaction is so complex that it isnt always obvious how the dice will fall. what you see as a choice is merely the beginnings of a reaction which is being carried out and will follow its course. this chain of reactions follows the rules of nature, and as you say theese rules cannot be broken and thus i agree. the momentum of theese reaction carries through untill what we call a choice is made. we really havent done anything because nature has done it for us. of course that doesnt stop people from taking credit for it. :D this is why human behavior tends to follow common patterns as well. equilibrium does not in any way indicate intent. lets say a couple humans and a small population of cows are stuck on an island. the island has enough grass for the cows to maintain there population but nothing for the humans. the humans decide to knock off a cow every week for food. the cows breed so that the cows repopulate at the same rate the humans are consuming them. now assume the 2 humans are male and female, they get board one day and start screwing. all the sudden theres another human to feed, and they now consume cows at 1 every 4 days. now the cows are reducing in numbers and if they continue killing one every 4 days they will run out of food and die, so they decrease their rations. this is the form of equilibrium or balence i mean. nature is a system governed by those unbreakable laws you mentioned, but a system is a flow of energys. sence l;ife forms run on energy they will seek it out. life for any species is easy when energy is plentifull, but as they consume it, it deminishes and as it does life gets harder and as that happens lifespans and birthrates reduce. this misfortune causes another part of the system to propagate and the cycle continues. nature self equilizes. nature and everything in it is nothing more than a system, a machine. what i call equilibriom is nothing more than an uncontrolled, shifting bias in the machine.
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religions really serve two purposes, a double edged sword, on one edge it guides and instructs with philisophical underdones, this is the edge that attracts followers, the good edge. the other edge, to maintain the power of the establishers of that religion, which attracts the power hungry and tyranical. there are always 2 sides to any human creation.
I'm no specialist, but Isn't that the "quest" anyway? If there was only one side, it would render anyones actions indifferent, stagnant.
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everythings stagnant regaurdless of how many sides there are.
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But an ecosystem is not a system in the same sense that nature is a system. Nature consists of the physical laws that govern everything-- it sets the parameters for our existence, and we simply can't break them. An ecosystem, however, is no more significant than we are. The rules governing an ecoystem are conditions, not absolute parameters, and, while of course they're based on natural laws just as everything is, they themselves are not natural laws; they're general rules. And we can alter the cause/effect relationships that dictate these general rules. To apply my argument to your example, for instance: The humans would learn to breed the cows in captivity, increasing the cows' population to meet their own needs. Now, maybe, as the humans' agrictulture becomes more and more efficient, the human society will become unable to support its own weight and collapse, fulfilling your predictions and leaving the ecosystem to continue as it was. But there is also the chance that this won't occur. And that is because we always have the ability to exploit whatever can be altered, to stay one step ahead of our own destruction. Biology is not fate; it is a set of conditions that are often strongly adverse, but only appear to be written in stone because we're the only species we know of that has the capacity to resist them.
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perhaps resist, but resistance is not a gaurantee for survival. it is very likely mankind will do something stupid to remove itself from existance, a darwin award for the whole species. and if it doesnt, then eventually the sun will explode and do it for us.
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Axioms:
1) The human race is stupid.
2) Individuals may or may not be stupid.
3) Over the full period of its existence, the stupidity of any closed system of people is equal to the average stupidity of the individuals within.
The entirety of the human race is the only closed system of people. We're a civilisation able to understand and control most of our environment, so most people would claim an inconsistency between 1) and 3). However, since we still exist, we aren't considering the full period of our existence...
For all the large rocks in space, the nasty diseases we have yet to discover, and the finite lifetime of our star, the human race is most likely to be destroyed by its own stupidity. This monumental display of idiocy will restore balance and fulfill axiom 3).
We don't need faceless natural or supernatural forces to bring about our apocalypse. We're more than stupid enough to do it ourselves.
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We don't need faceless natural or supernatural forces to bring about our apocalypse. We're more than stupid enough to do it ourselves.
Amen to that, brother.
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This thread is giant swirling vortex of suck.
"Nuke the world!"
"Love the world!"
"Nuke the world!"
"Love the world!"
"..."
"..."
Let's compromise and agree that, while we'd all love nuking the world, we won't actually do it.
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Ehrm... have you actually read this discussion? Because if that's what you've gotten out of it, then my next question would be as to where you bought whatever it is you're smoking.
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The problem is a question of control. When you were younger and more trusting, you didn't really have a problem with being told what was right and wrong, and what you could and couldn't do. That's one of a parent's roles in life, to raise their children to the best values that they can. Then along comes the teenager years and beyond, and all of a sudden you are part of 'society', which is a completely different animal from 'family'.
I suppose it's, at least in part, because of the old saying, 'It's easier for a wise man to fit in among fools than for a fool to fit-in amongst wise men.'
The fact of the matter is that, no matter what country you are in, a large majority of people don't want to face any more reality than possibly the odd episode of 'Cops'. Big Brother is the epitomy of sadistic television. Forget about your own societal standing for a while and watch some other people humiliate themselves for money.
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Axioms:
1) The human race is stupid.
2) Individuals may or may not be stupid.
3) Over the full period of its existence, the stupidity of any closed system of people is equal to the average stupidity of the individuals within.
The entirety of the human race is the only closed system of people. We're a civilisation able to understand and control most of our environment, so most people would claim an inconsistency between 1) and 3). However, since we still exist, we aren't considering the full period of our existence...
For all the large rocks in space, the nasty diseases we have yet to discover, and the finite lifetime of our star, the human race is most likely to be destroyed by its own stupidity. This monumental display of idiocy will restore balance and fulfill axiom 3).
We don't need faceless natural or supernatural forces to bring about our apocalypse. We're more than stupid enough to do it ourselves.
i agree, but in regaurds to axiom 3 it is important to note that any system is as good as its weakest component. so in a system of individuals (society), the most pathetic human you can think of is representitive of our true progress. and in regaurds to axiom # 2, all humans have their moment of stupidity, even einstein went through his nutcase phase.
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By a odd coincidence, I too had an encounter with Big Brother. About 20 minutes ago I accidentally [and I must stress it was not intentional] to the lastest and poorest Big Brother series, and after about 16 seconds of pure, mindnumbing stupidity, I came to an epiphany. The human race is a stupid, destructive plague upon this planet, spreading like a virus, destroying anything it touches, including itself. This cannot be allowed to continue.
Big Brother has proven to me that the human race does not deserve to exist, and as such I vow to destroy it in its entirety.
I'll bring the nukes!
Hope you're good at bioengeenering since I just ran out of flesh-eating viruses...