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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Sarafan on June 01, 2006, 12:13:21 pm
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I'm currently playing the main fs2 campaign (again), when I noticied something in the debriefing of the mission ...But hate the traitor. In it comand said they knew of your imediate execution as a traitor to the NTF since they were suspecting you and Snipes and also said that his location and possible whereabouts where unkonw. Later in the mission in the EMP nebula, you see that Snipes stayed with the NTF, but how could he have done that? He was also a suspect so my guess is that he betrayed you (he may have told NTF comand that you were the agent that caused the destruction of the Sunder and the Vasudan ambush) so that his position in the NTF would be more secure and he also said later that information is what keeps you alive in this business.
So, what do you think?
Yes, it could be said that this a crazy conspiracy theory, but bear in mind that it's my first post.
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remember he is in the special ops of the loop2 missions. i believe he too was relieved from the ntf at the same time.
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I dont know, when you rescue him later in the nebula he was in a ntf transport, so its likely that he participated in ntf trhust to the knosso portal.
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Interesting point Sarafan. I'd never really thought about it but you know something it gives a whole new meaning to this line if you're correct.
Good work, Alpha 1. Most pilots only get to fly one suicide mission. We survived what should've been our last sortie.
If you're correct that could easily be a comment from Snipes about surviving not just Lions Den but also ...But Hate The Traitor
Personally I think the NTF must have decided that you were the traitor who gave away their position to the GTVA in the first two loop missions. Since they don't know the Sunder survived they'd have no real reason to believe that Snipes was in on it. That said you could be right.
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Plus there were more "of us" in the Argo in As Lightening Fall, which may indicate the NTC Alexandria was SOC controled for a while, even if the crew didn't know it.
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This also reminds me of the ''sudden'' power failure the Colossus suffered due to the actions of NTF spies aboard, maybe Snipes was responsible for getting them aboard the ship (since he's SOC, it wouldnt be difficult), if so I guess it's possible he's been playing on both sides.
I agree with what you said, Mars, it's more likely that the crew of the Alexandria really didnt knew, and in that mission he also says that only 17 people made it to the transport so those survivors are most likely the comand staff of the ship since it would be impratical for the SOC to infiltrate the whole crew of the cruiser.
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I think the Colossus was sabatouged by GTVA operatives to be honest. I'll put that in my theory of Freespace, but that won't get written until I have >1 hour of free time at a time (6/5/06). I think the best part about Freespace is that it was never fully explained, so there's all these theories floating around, come to think of it, that's what I love about real life to.
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Yeah, one of the best things in fs is that its open ended (and the beam cannons ;7).
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And to think FS3 could have killed it all... anyhow.
I think Snipes represented what a logical person ends up doing in the GTVA, try to stay alive, fight for humanity, and never belive a word Command says.
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Arguably, it could be said that Bosch did exactly that. Another question, were the 99th Skulls an SOC squadron?
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Most definitely, they flew classified ships, helped in a classified mission, and worked closely with Snipes.
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I was thinking they were something more like the 70th Blue Lions.
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Blue Lions was an "elite" wing, meaning command would send them on missions that HAD to get done, like escorting the Bastion. SOC wings specialize in deep strikes, recon, that sort of thing.
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That sparked my curiosity, what would be the fleet strenght of the SOC? Possibly a destroyer with good C&C capabilities(Hecate), a couple of corvettes and Aelous cruisers but not much so there wouldnt be another GTI.
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Well, you can assume the GTCv Naxos was a SOC corvette, but that's a leap of faith. No one knows where the Skulls are based, or where the Mara's were launched from. Snipes refers to a "Recovery Craft" but that could be anything from an Argo to a Hecate.
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The recovery craft would be more likely an Argo since that's one of its roles, nothing as big as a destroyer and since the Skulls have to be based somewhere, a destroyer would be the best guess unless they have something like a Moloch.
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I really don't think the ships in the game are supposed to be all of the alliences ships. For instance, the GTFR Chronos was removed, but the TAC 1 wasn't, even though the Chronos was the only thing that could (efficently) carry it.
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Chronos? From what mission is that ship? It's really been a awhile since I played the main campaign.
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Chronos? From what mission is that ship? It's really been a awhile since I played the main campaign.
It's in FS1 a fair bit, i think; it also doubles as the big Amazon drone (white one), and is seen carrying cargo to the Colossus in its 'building' cutscene.
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No, that was a real Chronos in the Colossus cutscene, not an Amazon.
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No, that was a real Chronos in the Colossus cutscene, not an Amazon.
Yes, I said that.
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Sorry, read carelessly.
Further proof of unseen classes comes from extrapolation of this tech description:
Description:
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Where the Aten cruiser failed, the Typhon succeeded well past expectations. The Typhon is an incredible work of engineering and the model of Vasudan technology. When the first one was sighted at the Vega Engagement, it was laughed at by our technicians as a foolish display of non utilitarian design. The subsequent destruction of the GTD Eisenhower and the total decimation of the 4th fleet changed their minds very quickly. The Typhon should never be underestimated. It wields massive weaponry, and has more armor plating than any Terran Destroyer. Its only known weakness is its turret armor, which is significant, but lower than expected. In the two years since this ship first appeared, we have only managed to destroy two of them.
The Typhon is considered a Class A threat to any ships within the same system. Do not engage without backup.
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Plus there were more "of us" in the Argo in As Lightening Fall, which may indicate the NTC Alexandria was SOC controled for a while, even if the crew didn't know it.
I also remember several friendly non-Erinyes fighters defending the Argo that you're sent to rescue, although I always assumed that they were all NTF and when Snipes told them they could get a lift, they didn't care who rescued them, so long as they were.
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No, they were Hercs, probably piloted by SOC pilots, but they still registered as NTF at first.
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Further proof of unseen classes comes from extrapolation of this tech description:
Technically, 'any Terran destroyer' can mean any instance of the Orions', and it's also not infeasible they underwent periodic armour and weaponry upgrades over the 14 year war, as well.
Although I would think it makes logical sense myself to have some from of Vasudan precursor to the Typhon which the Orion was created to defeat, and hence an Orion precursor that the Vasudan precursor was created to combat or held some initial advantage over (because the Vasudans wouldn't survive 12 years or so without some form of destroyer, and they wouldn't keep that type for 12 years if the Orion was holding an advantage over it). (phew) But it's not proof.
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I think there was definitely somthing before the Orion, it would stand to reason, wouldn't it?
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I would think that extremely likely, it's quite possible that the GTVA's first 'Destroyers' were about Corvette sized actually, though that's more guesswork and as such should be considered (http://www.aqsx85.dsl.pipex.com/noncanon.jpg) :)
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Regarding Snipes, I'm thinking that the reason he was still alive, was because of how long he'd been with the NTF. He'd likely been under cover flying as an NTF pilot for some time. Rather than executing him, they'd want to interrogate him to see how much he knew about their opperations, and how much info on the GTVA and SOC he could divulge to them. It'd be rather short-sighted to terminate such a valuable resource. As for the Hercs in the nebula ("As Lightning Falls"), I just figured they were all that was left of the Alexandria's cover. I figured that the NTF pilots and the other crewmen on the Grall, realized that they were out of options, and they all turned to Snipes to get them out.
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We really need to get an offical forum (http://www.aqsx85.dsl.pipex.com/noncanon.jpg) image
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Heh, well I made 3 .jpgs a while ago for a laugh...
(http://www.aqsx85.dsl.pipex.com/canon.jpg) - Canon
(http://www.aqsx85.dsl.pipex.com/noncanon.jpg) - Non-Canon
(http://www.aqsx85.dsl.pipex.com/noncanonballs.jpg) - Non-Canon pretending to be Canon...
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well regarding snipes.....he is one very slippery operative. I mean someone who has been dooing this for so long undercover business al all that must have made more the one friend from his enemies or at least have some very impresive knoledge of something of value or something like that to bargain for his life in case his cover gets blown.
Also i would imagine the SOC as having some rather interesting ships since I do not believe they have standard equipment. Maibe some modified cervettes or cruisers or even destroyers hell they might have theyr own destroyer/s for all we know. they sure as hell have the knoledge.
This would not mean thy have a masive fleet jus one or 2 destroyers a hand full of corvettes and cruisers or whatever it is they have for all we know they could have even one or 2 Iceni frigates along for the ride. Thsi wont mean the GTVI is just a sidenote..oh no....the GTVI has a way of how shall i put this managing to keep one step ahead of the rest of the GTVA fleets.and since neighter of these would actualy have large fleets i would imagine they are pretty special to say the least.
Oh and if you aro gooing to say that GTVA command would of known about these vesseles from the begining and showen them to us i believe you should actualy take a closer look at GTVA command to start with. They have no ideea what happenes in front of theyr eyes let alone know every little secret ship and project a secret service has or an inteligence service has.
As someone once said: "When you decide you need a secret serviceand decide to create one, once that service has grown to maturaty you can not hope to control that service no matter how hard you try. This is the price you must be willing to pay in order to have a secret service or at least a good one"
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I sorta agreed with what you said AlphaOne especially on their fleet, but I think that, thankfully, the GTVA, given the whole experience with GTI would have better means to controls its agencies, especially SOC since they're THE elite of the elite. But, yeah, it wouldnt be possible to fully control (100% I mean) them so if they think that they needed to do something to in order to save the GTVA but that goes against it (something like ignoring BETAC or betraying a certain pilot, for example) they would definitely do it and nobody would know.
About GTVA comand, I dont think they're that stupid, they're just letting everyone think that. Also to quote someone:
Bismarck - When you want to fool the world, tell the truth and People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election.
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GTVI is an intelligence gathering agency. That means no military grade vessels or their own personal army.
SOC is an special branch if the GTVI that specializes on the stuff that Snipes said it does. That means deep strikes and intelligence gathering in hostile enviroment. Or anything that requires use of force. Since their job is so special, a destroyer seems a bit too big gun for them. Since they rely on covert ops, I'd say their fleet is made of one or two fighter squadrons with possibly couple of cruisers and corvettes. And a smaller-than-a-destroyer sized base for the fighters. A destroyer is an enermously big target that requires a lot of maintanance. It cannot remain hidden because it has to travel troguht those bottlenecks called jumpnodes. Or they might not have a dedicated base at all. They could service their fighters at any base they wish since. Or they might just ship the pilots to the operation area, and commandeer fighters from the nearest friendly base. Just flip an GTVI badge on the base commanders face and be on their way.
In other words the SOC is a "tool" of the GTVI (kinda like a SWAT team).
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I'm not sure why the SOC would need any custom built ships; to me having your own designs, etc, would create too much of a conspicuous audit trail.
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Unless there is anything canon I've missed I dispute that SOC actually is part of GTVI. After the Hades rebellion it would seem to me that GTVA command would be careful to make sure that their intelligence forces didn't have a miltiary wing. Note the briefing you get from Snipes in the first mission.
You have volunteered for a covert assignment with Special Operations Command (SOC), in conjunction with Galactic Terran-Vasudan Intelligence (GTVI)
You're working in conjunction with GTVI not for them. Most likely the SOC are a special forces unit within the GTVA military that is commonly loaned out to GTVI. Note that as soon as you're revealed to be a traitor it's regular military command who start giving you orders not GTVI.
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Unless there is anything canon I've missed I dispute that SOC actually is part of GTVI. After the Hades rebellion it would seem to me that GTVA command would be careful to make sure that their intelligence forces didn't have a miltiary wing. Note the briefing you get from Snipes in the first mission.
You have volunteered for a covert assignment with Special Operations Command (SOC), in conjunction with Galactic Terran-Vasudan Intelligence (GTVI)
You're working in conjunction with GTVI not for them. Most likely the SOC are a special forces unit within the GTVA military that is commonly loaned out to GTVI. Note that as soon as you're revealed to be a traitor it's regular military command who start giving you orders not GTVI.
I'd imagine so, in a similar way to how the SAS intelligence gathers for a bunch of purposes, alongside other operations, but isn't part of the intelligence services.
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well actualy if you look carefully at the way new ship are first presented to you they tend to be either from a GTVI squadron I mnea bommbers/fighters/interceptors/etc. or an SOC ship. So i would imagine that the GTVI has and will have more advanced ships the the normal GTVA fleets. Although no hades or stuff like that. Also it would be kind of hard for the GTVI to actualy renegade since we have the Grand Terran-Vasudan Inteligence. Also since the SOC is the elite of the elite I seriously do not believe they do not have some sort of base of theyr own and also a few capital ships like destroyer sized ships only more advanced. And who sais the SOC has to be 1 or 2 squadrons large?? For all we know they could be like anywhere form 10-20 squadrons with theyr own base of operations, destroyers and stuff like that. I have yet to see a secret service or an elite branch of the milatary use standard equpment for theyr operations.
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well actualy if you look carefully at the way new ship are first presented to you they tend to be either from a GTVI squadron I mnea bommbers/fighters/interceptors/etc. or an SOC ship. So i would imagine that the GTVI has and will have more advanced ships the the normal GTVA fleets. Although no hades or stuff like that. Also it would be kind of hard for the GTVI to actualy renegade since we have the Grand Terran-Vasudan Inteligence. Also since the SOC is the elite of the elite I seriously do not believe they do not have some sort of base of theyr own and also a few capital ships like destroyer sized ships only more advanced. And who sais the SOC has to be 1 or 2 squadrons large?? For all we know they could be like anywhere form 10-20 squadrons with theyr own base of operations, destroyers and stuff like that. I have yet to see a secret service or an elite branch of the milatary use standard equpment for theyr operations.
(NB: Galactic TVI, not Grand)
a) a cursory scan of the FS2 briefing text doesn't show any mention of the GTVI beyond them either being provided with information, or giving it to the fleet; nothing indicating any military force
b) there's nothing explictly preventing a Terra-Vasudan rebellion beyond an arguable implausibility, nor specie-ist factions of the GTVI breaking off. Offhand, IIRC the GTVA has species-split command structures for the military, so it may be that the GTVI itself is split in similar lines.
c) the SOC, offhand, is only shown to have one new fighter type - the Erinyes - which IIRC is clearly identified as operating in an Op-Eval period.
d) there is no need for the GTVI to have a military force; same as there is no need for the CIA or MI5 (etc) to have private armies.
e) the larger the SOC is, the less secretive it becomes. Plus, it's a special operations unit; it performs what might be termed 'discreet' actions, something which have a large fleet sort of negates (not just in terms of visibility, but also because the SOC uses minimal logistics; I'd wager any scale of operation requiring more than a few squadrons would actually fall out of its remit and into regular fleet operations). You already have regular fleet to do the whole fleet-scale job, after all; you wouldn't scale up the SAS to do the exact same job as the regular army, would you?
f) the SAS uses regular army equipment, with the exception of specialised (but existing; I'm thinking things like kit for hostage rescue or infiltration) stuff for jobs the regular army doesn't do. I can't offhand think of anything the SOC would need - in the context of its spaceborne operations - that isn't seen in the regular GTVA. And the stuff like, say, stealth capships, would be of such an advantage it would surely be inevitable to see it in regular fleet use.
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Thanks aldo. I just had to delete 10 minutes of typing because you posted it first. :rolleyes:
But basicly what aldo said. It takes time to distribute new tech to the fleets. You need to tranfer the stuff and train people to usae and maintain the equipment. So it makes sense the equipment is given first to those who can make the best of it. Like the SOC.
And losing a destroyer is a huge blow to the standart GTVA fleets. How would an agency like the SOC endure such a loss of personnel and material? A force that is focused on intelligence gathering and stealth cannot be large. You cannot paint a destroyer white and glue a cleaning company logo on it, and then hope it passes unnoticed trought a jump node. NTF is a good example why SOC must be kep a secret as possible, even from your own fleets.
I have yet to see a secret service or an elite branch of the milatary use standard equpment for theyr operations.
Forget 007. Many, many special forces use 10 years old equipment because quess what. It kills just as well as the newest german über-rifle. And when they use different equipment than the regular army, it's usually because its too expensive to be given to the grunt fighting in the front lines.
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Special ops tend to be covert, The reasons for having such a division in any military are to enable actions to be taken that would be derogatory to a cause, should that cause be found to be commiting those actions. IE plausible Deniability.
GTVA want a rebel uprising quelled before its initiated/comes to fruitiion, Mr secretary for defense(GTVA equiuvalent) asks SOC commander to kill the leader his family, and their dogs. while wearing an I hate the GTVA and all they stand for style logo, Therefore, It couldn't have been the GTVA.
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And their dogs? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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And you think that the SOC having a fleet of its own covering the entire GTVA controlled space and beyond is big?? I dont think so! Also the GTVI would be the first to implement new weapons designs and test them as well as the SOC that is why i said they would be more advanced and not use the whole standard equpment. I mean even experimental tech would be provided first to the GTVI and SOC for extensive testing and development in conjuctuion with the GTVA reasearch divisions or whaever they are called. Also since both the GTVI and the SOC specialize in intel gathering and infiltration and covert operations in general i'm sure they can find more then a good reason for one of theyr ships to pass through one sector or another. Or even disquise them as regulat GTVA ships.
And noone said they have to use they milatary power every time they have to do job hell no they could be using civilian transports to get theyr operatives to where they need to be . Also I do not believe that the SOC or the GTVI would be comitting theyr most valuaed possesions (the capships) to just any other conflict or normal intel gathering. But when you have to deep into uncharted space and you need masive scanning power and also some milatary power just in case i do not believe they will call in just any ship from the GTVA milatary but rathe use theyr own ships speciali modified for more surveilance and intel gathering.
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And their dogs? :lol: :lol: :lol:
You not seen Lassie Come Home then? Those things are smart. Best to take them out and prevent them coming looking for you :D
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You're only in danger if you hide in an old forgotten well or a seaside cave with the tide coming in, then they'll hunt you down ;) Assuming you don't get got by a Dolphin or a Kangaroo first ;)
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My sister and brother-in-law have a Collie, smartest dog I've ever met.
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And you think that the SOC having a fleet of its own covering the entire GTVA controlled space and beyond is big?? I dont think so! Also the GTVI would be the first to implement new weapons designs and test them as well as the SOC that is why i said they would be more advanced and not use the whole standard equpment. I mean even experimental tech would be provided first to the GTVI and SOC for extensive testing and development in conjuctuion with the GTVA reasearch divisions or whaever they are called. Also since both the GTVI and the SOC specialize in intel gathering and infiltration and covert operations in general i'm sure they can find more then a good reason for one of theyr ships to pass through one sector or another. Or even disquise them as regulat GTVA ships.
And noone said they have to use they milatary power every time they have to do job hell no they could be using civilian transports to get theyr operatives to where they need to be . Also I do not believe that the SOC or the GTVI would be comitting theyr most valuaed possesions (the capships) to just any other conflict or normal intel gathering. But when you have to deep into uncharted space and you need masive scanning power and also some milatary power just in case i do not believe they will call in just any ship from the GTVA milatary but rathe use theyr own ships speciali modified for more surveilance and intel gathering.
- why would the SOC/GTVI want to cover the entire GTVA? That's the fleets job.
- why would the SOC use experimental weapons technology when they operate in the most hostile environments possible, where they need reliability above all else? Hell, the last thing you want to do is do field testing deep behind enemy lines.
- the GTVI will have extensive access to GTVA ships in terms of intelligence gathering and distributing - they don't need their own, they can rely on GTVA recon groups, etc to do the work (with the SOC for high risk ops). In all likelihood, the GTVI are just plain old analysts; especially given the GTIs skullduggery.
-it's the SOCs (forget this notion of the GTVI needing their own military assets) very job to get into and behind the frontlines of conflict; Missions with the Special Operations Command are carried out deep in enemy territory, with minimal logistical support. Our behind-the-lines activities include infiltration, sabotage, surgical strikes, and intelligence gathering.
- note that the previous kind of precludes very specific specialised ships, unless you want to make the SOC conspicuously large.
Essentially, the GTVI doesn't need ships any more than the CIA needs tanks. And the SOC doesn't need a huge fleet or experimental craft because it runs contrary to the notion of a small, elite unit.
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My sister and brother-in-law have a Collie, smartest dog I've ever met.
Yeah, the Collies are, I think, the smartest of the dogs, closely followed by Alsations iirc, I had a cross breed Border Collie/Ruff Collie (Shep/Lassie), that Dog was the smartest animal I have ever seen.
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Well, we'we seen the SOC to have the Hamako (AWACS) and Erynies far sooner then anyone even heard of them.Only when you become the elite do you even HEAR of the Erynies existing as a Op-Val ship (but you've seen in far sooner than that in the hands of SOC when you "destroy" the Sunder)
As for hte size of hte SCO it's BIG...from our point of view. The GTVA covers dozens of STAR SYSTEMS. Think of SAS or Delta Force and how big a organizations they are and they don't even cover 2/3rds of a planet....
And it0s quise possible for the SCO to have it's own ships, alltough it wouldn't be anything fancy...prolly cruisers and corvettes, maby even a Orion (all modified) but from the outside they would look completely the same. They could traverese systems posing as a normal GTVA warship (they would have acess to IFF and ID codes)..
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Yeah, that's my thought, a few "light" ships, Argos, AWACs, corvettes and cruisers.
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Never said it has to hase like half a dozen or destroyers on hand a a few dozen other warships. Just one fleet:1 or 2 destroyers (if posible-all modified)+about 3 or 4 corvettes+some cruisers maibe some aeoulous....and most of all a doze or so argost and other ships like that.
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Never said it has to hase like half a dozen or destroyers on hand a a few dozen other warships. Just one fleet:1 or 2 destroyers (if posible-all modified)+about 3 or 4 corvettes+some cruisers maibe some aeoulous....and most of all a doze or so argost and other ships like that.
That's a bloody large force for a covert unit.
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One rather big question beckons if the SOC are big.
Why the **** did they need to pull Alpha 1 out of his regular unit not just once but twice to work for them?
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Becosue Alpha 1 is TEH Uber Zoldier...
And becouse it's a game and being in a covert-op/elite units is cool.
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Chances are that there are no 'true' SOC ships, even in modern day warfare, Special Ops units get assigned to platforms, not vice-versa. For all we know, a representative of Special Ops could have turned up on the Aquitane and simple said, 'Right, we need a good pilot, some hangar space with zero crew access and the loan of one of the battlefleet's cruisers for 3 weeks. Here's the paperwork, thanks very much.'
And that would be the end of it. Even the Erinyes is probably limited to SOC and Elite pilots because they are too damn expensive to give to less experiences ones.
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Umm that would make any admiral fleet commander or whatever red with anger. I mean you are taking away some of his warships after all. But then again What happenes when you can not just go around and ask the admiral or whatever to loan you a few of his warships?? Or hell you migh even need one or 2 corvettes since those are rather large vesseles??
That could be a posible scenario you know. Also you would need crew's to man the ships comissioned where ae you gooing to take them?? You must have some crews with high level clearence.
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Which might mean something if the GTVA didn't routinely classify things Alpha 1 has seen at high clearance.
I think Flipside is bang on the money with the Ray Butts theory :D
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Umm that would make any admiral fleet commander or whatever red with anger. I mean you are taking away some of his warships after all. But then again What happenes when you can not just go around and ask the admiral or whatever to loan you a few of his warships?? Or hell you migh even need one or 2 corvettes since those are rather large vesseles??
Probably not 'a few'. Probably 1 or 2. Also, those commanders will know their responsibilities with regard to deploying their vessels. And you don't ask - you order.
They'll also be - being commanders of destroyers or fleets - privy to key intelligence and likely aware of the purpose of the mission, if not given local command.
That could be a posible scenario you know. Also you would need crew's to man the ships comissioned where ae you gooing to take them?? You must have some crews with high level clearence.
What, like Alpha 1?
If crews are being recuited for small-scale, disparate missions, not only are they sworn to secrecy as any soldier in covert ops is nowadays, they also only have a small portion of information they could divulge.
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I think there might be some medium ships, corvettes for instance, that are SOC, just because you don't want somone to look out a window, see an Charybdis and tell all their buddies when the corvette is defending the AWACS.
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I think there might be some medium ships, corvettes for instance, that are SOC, just because you don't want somone to look out a window, see an Charybdis and tell all their buddies when the corvette is defending the AWACS.
Huh? It's surely pretty implicit everyone on a ship will be held to secrecy under the security conventions.
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Yeah... your right.
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You know, I'm new here and even created this topic but so far nobody said that WELCOME TO HLP stuff. :(
About the SOC, they have to be big enough to cover most of the GTVA territory but small enough to stay secret, the idea of an small fleet for them would give more indenpence and agility that they might need for completing their mission (a scenario that taking ships from the regular fleet wouldnt be a possibility) plus it would mean that they wouldnt have to worry so much about a possible leak or infiltrated agent. The ideal would be cruisers, corvettes and something with carrier capabilities, that I think an terran version of the Moloch design would be the best for them.
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:welcome: :p
I've been here since 2001 and never had a welcome beam (cos there wasn't one then iirc) :D
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I never got beamed, I doned colapsed core molybdemum armor.
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Call me nuts, but SOC probably tapped Alpha One because he's a great pilot, and they have dangerous missions to do. As a bonus, Alpha One knows *nothing* about SOC operations and isn't a part of SOCs strength, so if he dies or is captured, who cares? I saw Snipes as a handler, and he's clearly surprised that either he or Alpha One survive the incredibly dangerous situations they find themselves in.
It's one thing for SOC to have a wing of heavy fighters and a jammer on-call for pickups, and quite another to imagine they somehow move major capships around without anybody noticing. You can't infiltrate the NTF with a Deimos - a Hermes is probably more the vehicle of a spy. :)
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Call me nuts, but SOC probably tapped Alpha One because he's a great pilot, and they have dangerous missions to do. As a bonus, Alpha One knows *nothing* about SOC operations and isn't a part of SOCs strength, so if he dies or is captured, who cares? I saw Snipes as a handler, and he's clearly surprised that either he or Alpha One survive the incredibly dangerous situations they find themselves in.
So actually then Alpha1 is not only the GTVA's best fighter pilot but its best spy as well. :lol:
Yeah, seriously, I really agree that Snipes was like that (a handler) but in my opinion that he's more surprised that you survived. He never seems surprised with the situations on the loop missions and I think that's because he's real veteran on that, you know, been there, done that.
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He certainly seems off-put that an amateur could stay alive so long - perhaps he'd been sent less skilled assistance in the past. :) And Alpha One is a *worthless* spy: he doesn't infiltrate anything, con anyone, even SAY anything... he just hangs around being muscle for Snipes. 'Ace pilot required for dangerous mission - brain not required. Death likely, glory assured'.
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:welcome: :p
I've been here since 2001 and never had a welcome beam (cos there wasn't one then iirc) :D
Still being built :D
Took ages for the quantum-discombulation matrix to arrive, y'see. Bloody royal mail.
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[quote posted by: Pnakotus ] He certainly seems off-put that an amateur could stay alive so long - perhaps he'd been sent less skilled assistance in the past. :) [/quote]
The way command is, he probably never got assistance.
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No, they gave him a Vasudan for assistance... in infiltrating the NTF.
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"Command, where the hell is my support? I need assistance!"
"Havn't you noticed the little "assistance" bottun we installed?"
"What does it do?"
"Well, once you press it you hear various messages like "watch your six" and "hold on, help is on the way" ..over and over and over... Think of it as a moral support and a extra wingman that keeps you one your toes"
"How about some real assistance?"
"You see pilot, with the budget and all...well.... I jsut got anotehr call, hold on!"
*your call has been put on hold. please wait.......euer anruf is auf warte gesetzt. bitte warten sie...*
"Erm...Command?"
*You have been disconnected*
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:lol:
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By the looks of GTVA command I wouldnt be that surpised to actualy hear something like that in the campaign nice one u made me spill mi drink.
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