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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: CP5670 on December 13, 2001, 12:16:00 pm
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I thought some of you mission designers might find this useful, if you haven't already seen it on FREDZone. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
[p1mp] http://members.home.com/cp5670/warships.rtf (//"http://members.home.com/cp5670/warships.rtf") [/p1mp] (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I think there are a few small errors, which I am in the process of correcting. I will also put in the ships from the newly validated FZ missions shortly. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Sorry if the file takes some time to load; it is only 45.428kb in size, but the @Home servers seem to be going kind of slow these days.
[This message has been edited by CP5670 (edited 12-27-2001).]
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*cough* pimp *cough* (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I can't wait to see the updated list, CP! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Let me know when it's done. God, I love my FRED Zone crew! Y'all are the best! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Honorary member of TCS and UGC
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--Ra, the Sun God
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Cool. I thought Sandwich had already made one of these, but if he hasn't... then cool job, dude. My congrats (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Regarding the GTD Delacroix, that's probably an Hecate destroyer as both Delacroix and Aquitaine were (are?) both nobel French house (I think).
Even if thats not correct Delacroix and Aquitaine are related in some fashion, which would mean its logical that they are both of the same class.
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Originally posted by Tar-Palantir:
Regarding the GTD Delacroix, that's probably an Hecate destroyer as both Delacroix and Aquitaine were (are?) both nobel French house (I think).
Even if thats not correct Delacroix and Aquitaine are related in some fashion, which would mean its logical that they are both of the same class.
Aquitaine is a region, famous mainly because of big battles during WW2 (or maybe WW1, not sure).
For delacroix, dunno, but it's clearly a french name.
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Yeah, there are quite a few controversial things in here; the Delacroix is only mentioned once in the sm1-07 (Slaying Ravana) briefing, so I have no idea what ship class it belongs to. How about everyone here post what class they think would work the best (Orion or Hecate), and I'll go with the majority. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Delacroix = Hecate, no question. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Really? No question, eh? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Hey, the Delacroix was destroyed by the Ravana, am I right? Or am I wrong, this is IIRC (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Ah, a question from my Ancient Egyptian-named brother/comrade (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
CP probably knows better than I do, but yeah, I do remember the Delacroix being mentioned in the briefing of the mission where you have to fly a bomber to destroy the Ravana. If I remember correctly, the briefing said that the GTD Delacroix (along with several other GTVA capital ships) was destroyed. This is why we're having a debate about whether the Delacroix was Orion-class or Hecate-class; this briefing is the only mention of this ship.
But, to answer your question, Setekh, yeah, I think you're right that the Ravana killed the Delacroix.
My instincts/intuition/gut feeling/sour stomach (I ate too much pepperoni pizza at dinnertime) all tell me that the Delacroix was a Hecate-class ship. Of course, guessing an unseen cap ship's particular class on the basis of my tummy feeling funny can't exactly be called scientific evidence... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Well I'm agreeing with Hecate.
1) Delacroix just sounds like it would belong to a Hecate (as Aquitaine does). Maybe the two ships were completed at the same time (or thereabouts) at the ship yards and the one dude picked their names.
2) Going up against a Ravana wouldn't it be logical (though Command is rarely logical (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)) to send a new Hecate rather than an old Orion.
3) Besides, was the GTVA still using Orions at the time. At the beginning of the game your squad is transfered from an Orion to a Hecate.
Joe.
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Sounds like most people want the Hecate. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) I will change that in the next version, then. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Argh, just changed that thing, and Notepad gives me the "Not enough memory to complete operation" message on the last letter. Guess I need to go into Wordpad...
[This message has been edited by CP5670 (edited 12-15-2001).]
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Originally posted by joek:
3) Besides, was the GTVA still using Orions at the time. At the beginning of the game your squad is transfered from an Orion to a Hecate.
Joe.
It's true that the 53rd Hammerheads (your first squadron in playing FS2) was transferred onto the Aquitaine at the start of FS2. However, I don't think necessarily think they were transferred from the Bastion (which IS an Orion, like joe said). The feeling I got was that the Bastion had been mothballed/retired sometime after the First Great War. Of course, the Bastion WAS part of the 4th Fleet, which is based in Vega. The first command briefing in FS2, which gives the rough history of the 53rd, even says "since then, we've called Vega our home."
I don't remember the exact text of the briefing, but the feeling I got was that after the Bastion was retired, the 53rd was transferred to another destroyer(which could have been either Orion OR Hecate, there's no way to tell) in the 4th Fleet and remained in Vega until the start of FS2, when the 53rd was transferred to the Aquitaine, which is the flagship of the 3rd Fleet in Capella.
To sum up, the destroyer that the 53rd transferred from could have been either Orion or Hecate and it was PROBABLY NOT the Bastion.
That's my take on it, anyway... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
CP, you really GOTTA e-mail me your real life addy; I wanna visit you during Spring Break 'cause you're only a short drive from my house in Washington, DC. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Oh, BTW, how soon until the new list is done? DON'T FORGET TO POST IT ON FRED ZONE!!! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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"I created your civilization...now I will destroy it!"
--Ra, the Sun God
[This message has been edited by Su-tehp (edited 12-15-2001).]
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Hecates are used primarly as Flagships with Orions as plain Destroyers.
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Originally posted by joek:
2) Going up against a Ravana wouldn't it be logical (though Command is rarely logical (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)) to send a new Hecate rather than an old Orion.
I have to agree here, but there's a converse point: if it's a new ship, wouldn't Command have wanted to preserve it, and pull it out before it got destroyed? Then again, perhaps the Delacroix had a dumb-ass Captain like the Colossus did, and refused to jump out. Idiot! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Su-tehp:
But, to answer your question, Setekh, yeah, I think you're right that the Ravana killed the Delacroix.
Why, thank you my Ancient Egyptian-named brother/comrade. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I thought so. I remembered it from the (command?) briefing before Slaying Ravana. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Delacroix is an Hecate. As to being destroyed by the Ravana, maybe it jump in at the wrong location: in front of the main guns? That would be amusing.
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'The more women there are about, the softer a wise man steps.' Saying in Arad Doman.
'Well, since the whole loaf won't be mine, I will settle for whatever slices fall my way.' - Mazrim Taim
Why not visit the Time of Change website? Well once I get back up that is.
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Originally posted by Tar-Palantir:
Delacroix is an Hecate. As to being destroyed by the Ravana, maybe it jump in at the wrong location: in front of the main guns? That would be amusing.
Yeah, like the nav officer was the same guy from Spaceballs: "I said shoot across her nose, not up it!" (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Joe.
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Outstanding!
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Max
Flash Developer
Ps6 Beginner
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Originally posted by joek:
Yeah, like the nav officer was the same guy from Spaceballs: "I said shoot across her nose, not up it!" (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
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Lol - how did I miss this topic until now? Oh, well... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Setekh is right, you're just doing double work. :-/ Here's a direct link to the Complete FS2 Ship List: http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/fs2/notes/fs2_ship_list.html ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/fs2/notes/fs2_ship_list.html")
CP, maybe we should join forces or something... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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hehe, whoops; you seem to have done the same thing, although yours looks much nicer. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
But...but...you don't have the Imhotep! Or the Murakami! j/k (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (multiplayer ships)
CP, you really GOTTA e-mail me your real life addy; I wanna visit you during Spring Break 'cause you're only a short drive from my house in Washington, DC. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Sounds great; I'll send it along as soon as this @Home e-mail thing gets fixed... :P
Delacroix is an Hecate. As to being destroyed by the Ravana, maybe it jump in at the wrong location: in front of the main guns? That would be amusing.
LOL, many of those "Admirals" were sort of stupid here; if they had just jumped in behind their targets, they would have had a much greater chance of survival... :P
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BTW I just took a look at the rest of your website sandwich (or was that sandvich? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)); really nice site there. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) I completely agree with your rants BTW; never thought there would be someone with the same opinions on some of those issues. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) Games should go indeed go into a \games\ subdirectory, not a folder containing the company name, and Program Files should be deleted and the name banned forever. The "My this, my that" things sounds really idiotic, and most of the "easy access" buttons on the keyboard are pointless. (the only buttons I find somewhat useful are the volume control buttons)
Some other things I hate are the strange directory structure present in Windows Explorer where everything is on the "Desktop" and all of the drives are located within "My Computer" (the actual folder structure has the Desktop in C:\windows\desktop and "My Computer" does not exist :P ), and the way that almost every application installer drops a folder in the Start->Programs menu. (under the company name, of course)
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Originally posted by CP5670:
LOL, many of those "Admirals" were sort of stupid here; if they had just jumped in behind their targets, they would have had a much greater chance of survival... :P
terran capships can only jump via jumpnodes, so they didn't really have the choice
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Lol - how did I miss this topic until now? Oh, well... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Setekh is right, you're just doing double work. :-/ Here's a direct link to the Complete FS2 Ship List: http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/fs2/notes/fs2_ship_list.html ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/fs2/notes/fs2_ship_list.html")
CP, maybe we should join forces or something... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Joining forces... good idea (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) Oh, and Sandwich - what happened to your webspace on your friend's server? www.randelman.com ("http://www.randelman.com") ?
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Originally posted by venom2506:
terran capships can only jump via jumpnodes, so they didn't really have the choice
Capships don`t need a jump node to make in system jumps and IIRC the Ravana was nowhere near a jump node anyway.
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Originally posted by karajorma:
Capships don`t need a jump node to make in system jumps and IIRC the Ravana was nowhere near a jump node anyway.
I said TERRAN capships, and vsudans too. I know shivans caps won't need nodes.
The sathanas that fried the collosus proved it the best possible way. But GTVA ships needs node. Why do you think there's all those annoying escort missions from an arcadia to a node?
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Venom, Karajorma is right. For in-system jumps, a capital ship (Terran, Vasudan OR Shivan) does NOT need a node. For jumps from one star system to another, EVERYONE needs a jump node.
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--Ra, the Sun God
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Originally posted by Su-tehp:
Venom, Karajorma is right. For in-system jumps, a capital ship (Terran, Vasudan OR Shivan) does NOT need a node. For jumps from one star system to another, EVERYONE needs a jump node.
Well, I don't remember any capship making a jump anywhere away from a node.
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Actually it happens all the time. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) (i.e. the first mission)
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Originally posted by CP5670:
Actually it happens all the time. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) (i.e. the first mission)
ah. well, mea culpa.
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Oh, and Sandwich - what happened to your webspace on your friend's server? www.randelman.com ("http://www.randelman.com") ?
I'm not quite sure, but since I have ADSL now - the same as he did, it's no big deal.
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
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"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
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Yea it just makes sense to call it a Hecate, but to be killed by a Ravana that badly, youd think it would be an Orion.
Too bad it was destroyed (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
In the briefing it says in like the past few hours our attack on the Ravana has slown down. We have lost the GTD Delecrox (eh spelling)
[This message has been edited by TheVirtu (edited 12-27-2001).]
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GTC Agrippa
GTC Aeolus class cruiser
Ordered to escort a transport carrying repair materials for GTD Aquitaine in sm3-05
It was destroyed by a Shivan Lilth after it exited from Capella, just after it went supernova. First Mission of TS Campaign.
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Yea it just makes sense to call it a Hecate, but to be killed by a Ravana that badly, youd think it would be an Orion.
Yeah that was my reasoning behind it as well. Although I guess if you think about it, the Orion is considerably better against other capital ships with its three BGreens as opposed to the Hecate's one. Those Terran engineers are real wackos... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
TS Campaign?
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Techinical Superority.
Well...
They did improve some things, Orion has one engine, Hecate has five, making it harder to disable a Hecate. On that topic, the Orion doesn't have any turrets to defend its engines, a corvette could just get right there and pound it to hell.
The Hecate has flak and beams to guard it's engines. Hecate has more armor, the ultra-dense stuff they used on the Deimos. The Orion looks like paper for some reason.
And yea the Default Hecate only has 1 BFGreen, but it is a new ship, plus maybe in the future they add more to it because of a new core.
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Yeah the Hecate is a far superior ship against enemy fighters, but overall I think it falls quite short of its Vasudan counterpart, the Hatshepsut. The armor is actually the same as the Orion since both have 100000 hitpoints in ships.tbl; it seems that both of the Vasudan destroyers have better armor than either Terran one. I also really think that the two TerSash beams in the middle section of the ship (located on a small outcropping in the bottom) should be replaced with BGreens (did this in my campaign); it makes the destroyer a far more capable ship. The flak cannons on the top also shoot somewhat weak projectiles for their huge size, so I replaced those with a custom weapon.
[This message has been edited by CP5670 (edited 12-27-2001).]
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Originally posted by TheVirtu:
Techinical Superority.
Well...
They did improve some things, Orion has one engine, Hecate has five, making it harder to disable a Hecate. On that topic, the Orion doesn't have any turrets to defend its engines, a corvette could just get right there and pound it to hell.
The Hecate has flak and beams to guard it's engines. Hecate has more armor, the ultra-dense stuff they used on the Deimos. The Orion looks like paper for some reason.
And yea the Default Hecate only has 1 BFGreen, but it is a new ship, plus maybe in the future they add more to it because of a new core.
Maybe putting on all these extra engines (engine-exhausts really) put such a large strain on the reactors that it was impossible to put heavier weaponry on the Hecate-A class Destroyer?
Somebody really should design a type B Hecate once. Maybe with two BFGreens in front. Just like there is need of a type B Deimos Corvette, one with a hangar.
Nice work on the lists...
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Thats what I was insisting on about getting a new core upgrade so it can have heavier weapons.
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It's always so much fun trying to explain goof-ups or apparant mistakes made by either Volition or the GTVA using FS-universe consistent reasons.
Personally I'm rather proud of my explanation why there used to be 3 Jump nodes leading of Earth in FS1 and only 1 node [an unstable one at that] in FS2. If you want to know it you'll have to search for it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) It's somewhere around here.
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Originally posted by TheVirtu:
First Mission of TS Campaign.
Canon? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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I remember now the GTC Agrippa was destroyed by the SC Celestial, Lilith Class.
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Head of the Beyond Campaign for FS2. (Website coming soon)
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GTD Phoenicia
GTD Hecate class destroyer
Ordered to distract SJ Sathanas 01 in sm3-01 so that the 203rd squadron can take out the front beam cannons
Destroyed by SJ Sathanas 01
Not always. About half the time the Phoenicia jumps out intact.
Where's the Trinity?
Are the demo missions considered canon?
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Originally posted by joek:
Well I'm agreeing with Hecate.
1) Delacroix just sounds like it would belong to a Hecate (as Aquitaine does). Maybe the two ships were completed at the same time (or thereabouts) at the ship yards and the one dude picked their names.
2) Going up against a Ravana wouldn't it be logical (though Command is rarely logical (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)) to send a new Hecate rather than an old Orion.
3) Besides, was the GTVA still using Orions at the time. At the beginning of the game your squad is transfered from an Orion to a Hecate.
Joe.
The Orion your talking about is the Bastion, that is a ship from the Great War, its old and Command used it nicely as a explosive. The Nereid was also an Orion.
@Zylon
Thats true, about 2 of the 5 or more times i've played the campaign, it jumps out at 1 percent.
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Just spent the last four hours updating this; it now contains all of the ships from the new validated multiplayer missions and is in RTF format. Several other smaller changes were made as well.
Time to go play some FS2 now... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by CP5670 (edited 12-27-2001).]
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Originally posted by CP5670:
and is in RTF format.
...for those of us who LIKE having our web browser turn into Microsoft Word. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/squeeze.gif)
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Just got back from Argentina and I just Dl'ed the new list. Good Work, CP, as always. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Oh, God... RTF format? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/squeeze.gif)
Ah, well, could be worse... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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"I created your civilization...now I will destroy it!"
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LOL actually I thought that might make it easier to read. I can always change it back to standard text format if you guys want... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)