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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on June 26, 2006, 01:59:44 am
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http://www.thenewsvault.com/cgi/news.pl?t=501
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Wow, that women has issues.
And so does (did) the husband for previously allowing her to get away with that kind of retardedness.
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Woo now this is just sick. And the man was too stupid to put a foot up her arse. Oh well just goes to show what happenes when a women gets too much power. :P
But seriously youre gooing to see women's "rights" activists having a field day over this you can bet on it.
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And so does (did) the husband for previously allowing her to get away with that kind of retardedness.
In this generation, girls can freak out and even beat their boyfriends/husbands and they are supposed to sit back and do nothing.
If they try and control their girls in any way, they will find themselves single very quickly. Girls have a lot of power now, and in the next generation it looks like they will have even more power.
But a lot of chinese girls are sort of like this (as in they freak out). I don't know where the stereotype of "chinese girls are weak and submissive" comes from because nothing could be farther from the truth.
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And so does (did) the husband for previously allowing her to get away with that kind of retardedness.
In this generation, girls can freak out and even beat their boyfriends/husbands and they are supposed to sit back and do nothing.
If they try and control their girls in any way, they will find themselves single very quickly. Girls have a lot of power now, and in the next generation it looks like they will have even more power.
But a lot of chinese girls are sort of like this (as in they freak out). I don't know where the stereotype of "chinese girls are weak and submissive" comes from because nothing could be farther from the truth.
Probably from the stereotypical Geisha girl, or things like footbinding. Simple distance makes it very easy to have an antiquated (basis for a) view on the likes of China, I guess.
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And so does (did) the husband for previously allowing her to get away with that kind of retardedness.
In this generation, girls can freak out and even beat their boyfriends/husbands and they are supposed to sit back and do nothing.
If they try and control their girls in any way, they will find themselves single very quickly. Girls have a lot of power now, and in the next generation it looks like they will have even more power.
Bah, only because guys let them get away with it. There is far too much of this "omfg you should be honored and privileged if she likes you" going around.
What most people don't seem to realize is that 'equality' doesn't necessarily equate to 'one group keeping its special privileges, while gaining all the special privileges of the other'. It also doesn't mean 'feeling guilty for things that your ancestors did that you had no control over'.
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Girls have a lot of power now, and in the next generation it looks like they will have even more power.
As much as I hate to say it, women rule the world, it's as simple as that. Indeed, whoever controls the sex, controls everything, and women usually control that particular part of life. All the power women have, which is quite a bit when you seriously think about it, is based on that simple fact.
As I always say; you can't live with 'em, and you can't kill 'em. :rolleyes:
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To be honest, I'd rather be single than submissive like that, I sometimes make the dinner and so does Sharon sometimes, though normally, come to think of it, we get our own food seperately :)
Must admit, there are some things more important than not being single ;)
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Girls have a lot of power now, and in the next generation it looks like they will have even more power.
As much as I hate to say it, women rule the world, it's as simple as that. Indeed, whoever controls the sex, controls everything, and women usually control that particular part of life. All the power women have, which is quite a bit when you seriously think about it, is based on that simple fact.
Meh. People with power, either through wealth or position - who are mostly men, although that balance is slowly changing - put less importance on sex. And since in all places throughout the world, women are still considered less worthy of higher-tier jobs or position in society, I can think of no situation in which you'd be right. As for your latter statement, are you suggesting that women who have reached the top in business and state service have got to where they are by carefully rationing out sex?
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I should add that I meant in social circles, rather than political ones. Politics remains one of the last bastion of male-oriented power, a good thing to say the least, while it is social politics that women clearly rule. But even then, in many instances of men in power, there has often been a woman behind the scenes with more than a little sway on running things.
This is of course coming from a western perspective, so it obviously doesn't apply to cultures where gender equality is not prevalent.
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I have to admit, so long as I'm not being randomly battered by mad women in the street, I'm not all that bothered.
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some real sexism flying around this thread. Some embittered guys who are pissed off that women demand respect.
FFS grow up children
that being said Woman in the Article = psychopath
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Heh, I don't care how much power or influence someone gets, if they push, I push back, regardless of gender ;)
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Heh, I don't care how much power or influence someone gets, if they push, I push back, regardless of gender ;)
What if they've got a bloody sword to your chest? :p
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Buy a shield?
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Heh, I don't care how much power or influence someone gets, if they push, I push back, regardless of gender ;)
same here..
letsay, a girl kicks you in the nards, what do you do? stand idly and let her at it? hell no.
i myself actually almost strangled a girl who kicked me in the nards once... and if she wasnt such an asshat, i wouldnt start going at her, but noo, she had to provoke me even further. few moments later with my hands firmly grabbing her neck and starting to choke her, she's crying like a little whiny ***** she is. equality my ass. if you want to punch somebody, expect the same back. gender-irrelevent.
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I think choking someone is somewhat a step too far, even if they did kick you in the nuts. That's not reciprocity, it's just vicious.
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I think choking someone is somewhat a step too far, even if they did kick you in the nuts. That's not reciprocity, it's just vicious.
Don't provoke him! He'll kill us all!!
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she was abusing that that you shouldnt kick a woman and was outright just... well... if someone went straight to your face in the way like "You're too much of a pussy to kick a girl" what would you do? i flipped out... i'd never outright kick a girl, but i'd try to incapacitate her so she cant do me any more harm. BLASTED WIMEN!!!!
Mefustae, screw you :p
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What, choking? So you wouldn't actually kick her, just try and, what, crush her windpipe? **** sake, if you want to incapacitate someone you just generally twist their arms, not try and throttle them. That's just...dodgy.
(bloody hell. If someone choked me, I'd probably cry afterwards)
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did you ever flip out? almost completely loose it? well, thats what happened then...
it was my fault in some way cause i let myself get provoked that much...
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I'm just impressed. If I got kicked in the nuts, I think it would be a while before I was up and choking anyone - I'd be far too busy rolling on the floor in pain.
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did you ever flip out? almost completely loose it? well, thats what happened then...
it was my fault in some way cause i let myself get provoked that much...
Well, I've never reached a near-homicidal rage state, if that's what you're asking.
I'm just impressed. If I got kicked in the nuts, I think it would be a while before I was up and choking anyone - I'd be far too busy rolling on the floor in pain.
That did occur to me, to be honest, although - it has been a long time since I was painfully impacted in the nadular region - IIRC it sometimes goes a bit numb first and then wells up into excrutiating pain.
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did you ever flip out? almost completely loose it? well, thats what happened then...
Next time just pop her right in the kisser. Bang, zoom, all the way to the moon. That'll teach her. It's quick, makes the point, and isn't as scary as choking. :p
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I'm just impressed. If I got kicked in the nuts, I think it would be a while before I was up and choking anyone - I'd be far too busy rolling on the floor in pain.
That did occur to me, to be honest, although - it has been a long time since I was painfully impacted in the nadular region - IIRC it sometimes goes a bit numb first and then wells up into excrutiating pain.
It's not so much the pain that floors me, it's that feeling you get in the pit of your stomach that turns your legs to rubber... *shudder*
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Er, can we skip this topic perchance?
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how do you accidentally kill someone with a sword?
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Umm well I dont know about hitting or strangling a women but I must admit about 40% of them deserve that. Well 40% of the ones I know. But still if a woman want equal rights then she must have equal obligations and responsabilities and respect the same unwritten rules as men do.
Otherwise no rights for them. You cant believe how many times i've heard the phrase "you know wemen are on an equalt status with the men " in diferent situations that just made me want to strangle them. I wont go into details.
Also phicho ******s like these deserved to be shot or at least thrown into the same sort of prisons that men get thrown into for similar crimes.
Also the first and only time I ever hit a women well sort of hit her cuz if i would of hit her then wel it wouldnt have been pretty was when i was kicked in the nuts by her because she wanted to prove a point so i proved a point also . She was like so shocked "how could i hit her cuz she's a women" while i was strugling with the pain and the laughters her words iduced in me.
I was like so what.......?? Like some else said if you want to play this game then accept the rules.
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how do you accidentally kill someone with a sword?
Pretty easily, if you're just trying to take off an arm.
True equality is the belief that anyone, regardless of race, gender, creed, or sexual orientation, who annoys me enough is going to get the crap beaten out of them.
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women never wanted to be equal, they want to be better. men have to stop them at equality.
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LOL Well, responding to a challenge doesn't always need to be in kind, though sometimes that works.
As far as the sword thing is concerned, it would've happened once. She wouldn't have seen me again after that. There's no way I can deal with someone of any gender who is waving a sword at me without leaving the situation with an enemy of them, whether I grab a sword myself or report them to the authorities, they aren't going to like me very much afterwards. So best bet is leave the first time round and save time and, quite possibly, your own life. I don't believe you can rebuild a relationship in with violence has been seriously threatened or has taken place.
Sometimes pushing back means pushing away, not just coming out in 'First Place', but simply remaining who you are despite their wish to control you.
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Oh boy mi fiance just saw this thread the other day.....! I forgot to close the page....and she started scrooling through the pages of the thread and then came to mi post.....!
guess who had a LOT of explaining to do. :lol: But she di agree with me about the whole equal stuff between men and women. She said "If you want to play in the men's worl you cant expect special treatemnet since that would not be fair or be equal anymore" ! :p :D :yes:
she's s sweety :nod:
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Heh, I don't care how much power or influence someone gets, if they push, I push back, regardless of gender ;)
What if they've got a bloody sword to your chest? :p
Go buy yourself a S&W 1911 or GLOCK 17 and get over it. The problem these days is that if the man had killed her in self defense, he would have been charged with manslaughter and abuse. I can see why. If you walked into the room where the 4'2" Chinese woman was lieing on the floor with a sword, and the 6' tall man was standing there with a gun, what would you assume?
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That Kill Bill had come to life?
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Heh, I don't care how much power or influence someone gets, if they push, I push back, regardless of gender ;)
What if they've got a bloody sword to your chest? :p
If it's a bloody sword, I think you'd have done more than enough pushing by that stage :D
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Umm well I dont know about hitting or strangling a women but I must admit about 40% of them deserve that
No matter what she does, a girl never deserves to be hit or strangled. A real man would never do that, only a coward would.
i myself actually almost strangled a girl who kicked me in the nards once... and if she wasnt such an asshat, i wouldnt start going at her, but noo, she had to provoke me even further. few moments later with my hands firmly grabbing her neck and starting to choke her, she's crying like a little whiny ***** she is.
You're weak.
did you ever flip out? almost completely loose it? well, thats what happened then...
With a girl? Never.
it was my fault in some way cause i let myself get provoked that much...
So it is her fault that you have no self control?
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Umm well I dont know about hitting or strangling a women but I must admit about 40% of them deserve that
No matter what she does, a girl never deserves to be hit or strangled. A real man would never do that, only a coward would.
i myself actually almost strangled a girl who kicked me in the nards once... and if she wasnt such an asshat, i wouldnt start going at her, but noo, she had to provoke me even further. few moments later with my hands firmly grabbing her neck and starting to choke her, she's crying like a little whiny ***** she is.
You're weak.
did you ever flip out? almost completely loose it? well, thats what happened then...
With a girl? Never.
it was my fault in some way cause i let myself get provoked that much...
So it is her fault that you have no self control?
So it also his fault that she provoked him? I never really went crazy like that with a girl too but the few times I did you only really think about what you did later, when it happens you just think about hurting that person. No matter what she does? What if she hitted you in the face, really trying to beat the crap out of you? Would you still do nothing? For me, I wouldnt hit anyone except if they gave the first punch but even then, I would only do that if it was extremely necessary and I'd try to make them stop first.
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Umm well I dont know about hitting or strangling a women but I must admit about 40% of them deserve that
No matter what she does, a girl never deserves to be hit or strangled. A real man would never do that, only a coward would.
B. S.
Some girls deserve to get slaped or hit. If they decide to hit in the balls, i think a hard punch to the face or arm would suffice back, as men are stronger. A girl has no right to do that to a man.
With guys, its a eye for an eye. I get pushed, they get pushed back. I get punched they get punched back, regardless of how big or built they are.
With girls, i hold myself. If it was my world, they would mostlikely atleast get slapped in the face for what they do. *****es.
One girl, were cool, so i do equally back what she do to me (in any situation, tidy twisters and all). Were friends so its not like she hates me.
I wonder what the feedback to this post will be like.. hehe.
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No matter what she does, a girl never deserves to be hit or strangled. A real man would never do that, only a coward would.
I'm not saying I disagree with you, I simply want to point out the strangeness of that widely-held belief. I mean, if it were a bloke that kicked you in the nads, i'm sure none of us would have any qualms about smacking some sense into him. But should a woman do it, it is taboo to do pretty much anything in reprisal other than perhaps raising your voice at her, and even then you're on shaky moral ground. What I want to know is, why?
Sure, there's the general [somewhat misguided] belief that all women are weaker than men, but that alone is fast becoming a politically incorrect train of thought. So what could the distinction possibly be?
Edit: Ah, great minds think alike, eh Char?
We really need a female perspective in here, where's Wild when you need 'er?
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Edit: Ah, great minds think alike, eh Char?
We really need a female perspective in here, where's Wild when you need 'er?
Yes, yes they do.
Isnt Maurader a female as well (sp)?
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No matter what she does, a girl never deserves to be hit or strangled. A real man would never do that, only a coward would.
Only a fool stands there and takes it.
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So he would let a girl continuely kick him in the balls, and not even think she deserves to get hit for it? He will reconciter on kick number 3...if hes strong willed..maby kick number 5.
As someone said, would you let a guy do it to you? It makes no difference, when dealing with your balls saftey.
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I mean, if it were a bloke that kicked you in the nads, i'm sure none of us would have any qualms about smacking some sense into him. But should a woman do it, it is taboo to do pretty much anything in reprisal other than perhaps raising your voice at her, and even then you're on shaky moral ground. What I want to know is, why?
Because men have been doing this to girls for thousands of years, now it is their turn to have power over us.
Some girls deserve to get slaped or hit. If they decide to hit in the balls, i think a hard punch to the face or arm would suffice back, as men are stronger. A girl has no right to do that to a man.
I hope that you die a virgin.
Only a fool stands there and takes it.
I never said you couldn't defend yourself, only I wouldn't hit back.
So he would let a girl continuely kick him in the balls, and not even think she deserves to get hit for it? He will reconciter on kick number 3...if hes strong willed..maby kick number 5.
No. Restraining her is permitted, but slapping/hitting or choking her is not acceptable.
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Men have been doing that for thousands of years, yes. Does that mean its right for them to do it on us now? NO. Its wrong for anyone to do that kind of thing. By this view, then it means that we should get slavery up again but this time on every white person. Its better to just put a stop to it altogether so that nobody has this kind of power above the other.
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No matter what she does, a girl never deserves to be hit or strangled. A real man would never do that, only a coward would.
A lady never deserves that. Not all girls are ladies. The girl in AlphaOne's case certainly isn't. If a girl wants to be treated like a lady, she should act like one.
Feminists have twisted "equality" into "sameness". They want to be treated exactly the same as men. Okay, fine then - if one punches me, they should expect to get punched back. They made their bed, now let them sleep in it.
This reminds me of a story one of my colleagues told me. When he was growing up, there was this incident where he and a bunch of boys were playing in the neighborhood field, and a girl came up and just started punching one of them. The guy who got punched just stood there, and warned her not to do it, but she did it again, laughing. He warned her again, and his friends were astonished that he would just stand there and take it. The girl started mocking him, and he kept repeating, "I don't want to hit you, it's not right to hit a girl." She punched him one last time, and he finally punched her back. She fell backwards onto the field, with a bloody nose, astonished, and ran off crying. When my colleague told his parents, they agreed with what happened and gave him that "not all girls are ladies" line above (in fact, that's where I first heard it). How times have changed.
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No matter what she does, a girl never deserves to be hit or strangled. A real man would never do that, only a coward would.
Real man seems to be a common argument in masculinism, in which is cited portrayals of violence against women as more important than other forms of violence. In the case of him being a gentleman, it would mean to threat others in a respectful manner, she hit him trying to hurt him, he tries to do the same in a slighty different way, mutual respect, no one of the two really cares for the other feelings about being hurt, so...
Again, a coward is somone who attacks and/or kills a defenceless person, by hitting him first, and physically hurting him specially, she has proven to not be defenseless.
You're weak.
Weak and it's opposite, strong, are terms which refers to physical measurements. He was a able to defense himself, he is not, he doesn't lack of physical strenght.
Only a fool stands there and takes it.
Exactly. If a man hit you is an agression, so you try to defend, eventually hitting back in self-defense, by the counterpart if a woman hits you there is no agression at all, and if you hit back you're a physic abuser.
I bet any men is aware that testicles are very sensitive to impact and injury, which can provoke the subject a mayor part of testicle disseases.
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Weak and it's opposite, strong, are terms which refers to physical standars. He was a able to defense himself, he is not, he doesn't lack of physical strenght.
There's more than one kind of strength.
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I mean, if it were a bloke that kicked you in the nads, i'm sure none of us would have any qualms about smacking some sense into him. But should a woman do it, it is taboo to do pretty much anything in reprisal other than perhaps raising your voice at her, and even then you're on shaky moral ground. What I want to know is, why?
Because men have been doing this to girls for thousands of years, now it is their turn to have power over us.
And with that sentence you give up any hope of 'equality'. Very fast, all that happens is further injustice and sexism. No progress is ever made. For x thousand years, men abuse women. Then for next x thousand years, women abuse men. Then for next x thousand years, men abuse women. All very stupid.
Now apply that criteria to race as well, nationality, religion, and watch how fast the world falls apart.
Or in more simple terms, "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".
And on a more personal level, if women are going to ***** and moan about sexism (and I realize the irony inherent in that phrase, bear with me a moment) then I feel that they should be willing to show some restraint themselves and not just shift into blatant sexism mode. If they are, I don't give a damn about what my ancestors did, I'm not going to repeat women's mistake of the past and just sit there while the opposite sex stereotypes me into a corner.
Some girls deserve to get slaped or hit. If they decide to hit in the balls, i think a hard punch to the face or arm would suffice back, as men are stronger. A girl has no right to do that to a man.
I hope that you die a virgin.
You will die a virgin, if you just stand there while a girl kicks your testicles into a bloody pulp.
Only a fool stands there and takes it.
I never said you couldn't defend yourself, only I wouldn't hit back.
Except by starting this argument, you are indeed protesting his defending himself.
So he would let a girl continuely kick him in the balls, and not even think she deserves to get hit for it? He will reconciter on kick number 3...if hes strong willed..maby kick number 5.
No. Restraining her is permitted, but slapping/hitting or choking her is not acceptable.
In a sense, restraining someone is even more a violation of a person's space (emotionally and physically) than just hitting them is. Hitting them, you're saying "You make me hurt, I'll make you hurt." Restraining them is saying "I can make you powerless against me."
Kicking someone in the genitals is just about as personal a violation as you can get. It's violent unsolicited sexual contact. Especially in the case of a girl kicking a guy, it's usually something along the lines of 'I am woman, hear me roar' outside of a self-defense situation. Which I have no mercy for, because if they really were that powerful in the first place, they wouldn't need to go around kicking people in the balls to prove it.
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Umm Goober which girl cuz I have 2 posts and 2 diferent girls posted there with 2 diferent situations.
But anyway back to the topic at hand.
Why is he weak because he has the curage not to freaking kill the b***h who kicked him in the balls.
Hey that are is the most sensitive and intimite area a man can have and for a women to deliberately exploit that weakness its just like rape. At least from mi POW. I mean imagine if men all over the world would start exploting women's weakneses then where would we be.....mass rapes and all that s**t that just make me sick.
Either youre a lady and you act like one so that you mai be treated acordingly or yu are pne o those feminist tipe ******s who just moan and scream about theyr right's beeing violated. (man could i puch one of those in the face all day and still not get tired or bored...if I wasnt a getlemen that is).
Look the point is that even mi girl thinks that women like these deserve what they get. This whole women are weaker give them special treatement is just wrong. They never say they want special treatement they just say they want equal rights but they dont say they MUST have equal obligations.
Oh and if they complain about sexual discrimination then send them to a freaking coutroom where women are favored instead of the men for adoptions and custody hearings. Even if the mother is unfit she still can emerge victorious in a custody battle with a decend lawyer.
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There's more than one kind of strength.
That's the point, he is not "weak", but can be considered "psychologically weak" because he wasn't able to stop himself from hurting her as she has done with him, in which case she also wans't able to stop herself from hurting him physically, the term was too generalized, in any case "weak" and it kinds should be applied to both of them.
I agree somewhat in the case that hitting back, doing the same amount damage to your aggressor doesn't make you better than her, but again you are being hit and you have the option to defend without hitting back, and you in that moment, you have an option that can make a difference by not hitting her, and then you ask, why is she hitting me, doesn't she has any other choice than hitting me because she just wants to ?, then why I am responsible of an act that has nothing to do with what I have made or I would make ?.
Maybe masculinism hits again: the most powerful ones have choices (men) and governs everyone destinies including yours (women's destiny for sure), as you're the man, self and auto-proclaimed for unexplainable reasons the most powerful of the two (as being said by kosh: there is more than one strength), you're the one who upon weaks's destiny depends, by putting yourself in charge of a situation you're not and was not generated by you, you're what could be cited "making yourself the man".
This is basically throwing the womans to a level so low, that then I would understand why she is hitting you, not only you're understimating her, you're having a totally "I am a so all mighty superior being" perspective, an actitude which would be able to annoy almost any human being...
When you're in suffering because of the pain that other person is making you feel, and you try to make the other understand peacefully that you're being hurt by his/her direct actions physically or psychologically, and even then they can't realize how much it hurts, the only way that you have left for them to understand, is to make them feel the same as you do, that or slowly turning yourself into a timed bomb. It is not at all that you're hitting back because you are going berserker, acting in a totally irrational way.
I hope that you die a virgin.
You will die a virgin, if you just stand there while a girl kicks your testicles into a bloody pulp.
Ditto, scary...though you can get a lot disseases much earlier in the process of being kicked, which can let you in a critical health state.
Oh and if they complain about sexual discrimination then send them to a freaking coutroom where women are favored instead of the men for adoptions and custody hearings. Even if the mother is unfit she still can emerge victorious in a custody battle with a decend lawyer.
Not only that, anybody knows what happens when a woman rapes a man ?, supposing people grown enough to understand rape is not only male-to-female, because of stereotypes he'll be lucky if he gets justice or even help...
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You are damn right about that one. There were 2 cases in the region where i'm staing when 2 wemwen raped a dude and another one cant remember the details. Yet for all this even the press made fun adn ridiculed the poor bastard. Also in one newspaper he was so trashed all over the floor by a female editor I was just stunned at what that b***h was saing.This was a acouple of years ago. Oh well she got her just deserved when some individual inclueding one female filled her full of paint inclueding her hair.
Oh so as not to forget the dude not only didnt get justice but he was actualy forced to pay for maikng up bogus alegations to the two wemen. they were all high and mighty. That just made me sick. Or you could go to see how children who eneded up in the mothers hands are dooing. Barely fed and clothed while the father who could of take a lot better care of them is forced to pay (forgot the term;please insert here the corect word) for his childred unpbringign by the mother (yea righ what upbringing) barely has acces to see his own children (when the mother is not drunck yet the judges granted her coustody again when the man apealed to the decision. How's that for discriminating. What about the fathers rights.
The region where i'm in wemen ussualy tend to be protected by the men. If they want to have an active profisional life they are suported in this endeavour but if they want to stay home raise the children or something like that they are also suported in this perspective if tha man can aford only one salary that is. Also the peasent population is somewhat similar while the women do most of the work around the house they have it easier then the men. So when a women compalins about beeing treaten unfair or something like that or dares to insult her husband in public he gets slapped so hard you wouldnt believe it.
It's something like "what the freak i feed you i clothe you i suport you in your freaking social life i take you to restaurants do the best to provide you with confort and wealfeare and now you come putting this bull***t to mi face?* They usualy lern the diference between a good and a bad husband really quick. A bad husband would of sent her to work even if she didnt or shouldnt of gone to work.
This mai sound like something out of the stoneage but its very very correct. Al the man ants is a hot meal and a clean home when he comes home from work he doesnt force her to work if he can provide for them he doesnt force her to do anithing a good decent wife should do yet he has to put up with a load of s***t when he omes home...helll no...slap her silly thats what I say. I'm not fo violence against women do not missinterpret me as I said above there are diferent wemen there are the ladies and there are the female's. There is a BIG diference bewteen them.
Also he wansnt weak because he hit back. She deliberately used a very sensitive and posibly lifethreatening point on his body to inflict severe pain and incapacitate him. It hust didnt work too well this time.
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What people need to realise is that outsides of the bounds of a boxing ring or other consentual sporting event you simply do not have the right to be violent to another person regardless of the gender of either person concerned.
All this you can't hit a woman stuff is simply bull****. She has absolutely no right to hit you either and if she does start a fight you have every right to respond in exactly the same way you would to any other threat.
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Regarding women raping men, the law seems to see that if a man is aroused/stimulated/whatever then it cannot be rape. I mean if he was flaccid, the act of sex would be impossible, however he was, you know, hard, he is actually enjoying the fact. What do people think of that, is it possible to be erect without being turned on, enjoying it?
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Arousal and consent are two completely different matters. Otherwise a male rapist could claim the fact that a woman got wet was similar proof of the fact that it wasn't rape.
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yes it could but we dont see that happening now do we. This is blatent discrimination towards the male population. This was unavoidable actualy ever since wemen got the same rights as men and not the same obligations.
And dont look at me like i'm some male misoginist cuz well I aint i just dont like feminist wemen or men for that matter.
also note that wemen can be put into two categories ladyes and...well the other ones.
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No, erection/arousal/stimulation is unvoluntary, this is the same as saying that a woman wasn't raped by a man because she lubricated and orgasmed, they are totally unvoluntary responses, you add that to the stereotype that "man always are disposed to have sex with a woman", and not only that but most people believes that rape is just male-female, and forget about the other 3 kinds, so much that when a woman rapes a man in some countries the charge is not called archieved as "rape", but under a different name or law/punishement.
Rape of males by females is widely, but incorrectly, considered impossible because male erectile response is seen as voluntary, when, in fact, it is involuntary. Therefore, male victims of rape by females often face social, political, and legal double-standards. Female rapists are usually seen as much less culpable than male rapists by the courts. In addition, male victims of female rape often endure a double-bind because men are considered to always want sex with a woman which means that female-on-male rape can be seen, by others, as consensual when in fact the female sexual predator usually uses covert psychological or emotional coercion to commit the crime. In addition, since rape by females is much less well known than male-female rape, male victims of female rapists often find little support from rape crisis centers. Finally, since the incidence of female-on-male rape is on record at much higher rates (31% compared to 10%) in Canada, it is likely being substantially under-reported in the US.
In many countries, male rape is legally classified under a different law or name. However, the nature of the incident, and its consequences, are similar. It is said that male rape is taken less seriously as a result of the stereotypical views held about males in many societies, including modern Western society. Men's rights lobbyists are pushing for tougher male rape laws, and have gained some success, but many still feel that more work is needed to be done.
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still a lot of thinly veiled sexism in this thread that you hide with claiming "well if they're going to be equal..."
like someone *cough* claiming that women don't want to be equal, they want to be better, or the entire "you cannot do that do a girl!" **** about hitting
if the girl hits you, you have the right to hit her back
that being said someone in this thread needs to learn some ****ing self control
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No, erection/arousal/stimulation is unvoluntary, this is the same as saying that a woman wasn't raped by a man because she lubricated and orgasmed, they are totally unvoluntary responses, you add that to the stereotype that "man always are disposed to have sex with a woman", and not only that but most people believes that rape is just male-female, and forget about the other 3 kinds, so much that when a woman rapes a man in some countries the charge is not called archieved as "rape", but under a different name or law/punishement.
most women (66%) cannot orgasm through coitus - they need clitoral stimulation
females do not become lubricated when they are not aroused
they do not become aroused simply by the presence of a naked man (IE the female sexual response is much more voluntary than the male sexual response)
that makes it so rape is more physically damaging than it otherwise would be - the woman is almost certainly not lubricated, her muscles are not loosned up to accept the penis into the vagina either
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who needs to lern some self control? I hope you werent talking about me...!
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nein, ich rede ueber pecenipicek
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Hmmm, I think i'm getting it... it looks like 'nein' means 'no', and 'pecenipicek' looks like it could be some sort of space-ship...
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or he was just refering to pecenipicek as the one who needs errrrr........a cold shower...
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females do not become lubricated when they are not aroused.
That's a given but consent and arousal are very different things as I have already stated. Arousal is a physiological response and has nothing to do with whether the woman consented or not.
Your comments only make sense if you're assuming that rape = stranger rape. This is not the case and nowhere in my post did I narrow things down to that definition. So you can see that your points are already completely invalidate in the case of rapes carried out with the use of date rape drugs like Rohypnol. A woman under the effect of a date rape drug can get aroused and climax yet still have not given consent. In fact arousal is common in the majority of cases. Similarly they don't apply to cases where a person lacks the mental capacity to give or deny consent. Again arousal can occur when the victim is mentally disabled but in these cases it is still rape.
However given that you probably weren't counting those cases and were mearly talking about male on female date or stranger rape. Even in the definition of rape you seem to be using it is not correct to say that women do not get wet.
From "Understanding Sexual Violence:"Prosecuting Adult Rape and Sexual Assault Cases (http://www.legalmomentum.org/njep/PDFdocs/selfstudyguide.pdf)
Is Lubrication The First Sign Of The Human Sexual Response In Women?
This was once thought to be true. However, the amount of research conducted in the area of human sexual response has significantly increased and we now know that this is not necessarily so. Lubrication can be an element of sexual response, but it can also occur independently as a purely automatic physical reaction. It is important to recognize that a consensual sexual response includes physical and psychological components.
An automatic physiological response is an involuntary bodily response to a sensory stimulus that may result in increased blood flow to the pelvic area. The stimulus is most often tactile and can be anywhere on the continuum from the slight brushing of underwear to forceful pushing against the perineum to effect penile penetration.
Lubrication Does NOT Necessarily Mean Consent
Two examples:
Case 1: Strangers
The human body is prepared to respond to the stimuli it receives through the five senses. In the case of a stranger who breaks into a woman's home, attacks her and begins to touch or press her genitals, in many situations her body will automatically respond to that stimulus. Blood will begin to move to the pelvic vessels and she will start to lubricate. She is having a purely automatic physiological response.
It is even possible that fear may increase the automatic response. In times of fear and threat of bodily harm, the sympathetic nervous system becomes activated and mobilizes the "fight, flight or freeze" responses. These responses put the individual in a survival mode. When this happens, neurochemicals are released that stimulate the body to send blood to the large muscle groups and the pelvis, as well as increasing blood pressure, respiration and heart rate. The increase in blood flow to the lower part of the body may further increase vasocongestion and result in more lubrication. This is an area of ongoing research.
Case 2: Parties have had some consensual intimate contact
The woman experiences both automatic physiological arousal and subjective arousal -- a positive emotional response -- and these reinforce each other. Her body begins to lubricate as part of a consensual sexual response.
If penetration is demanded against her will, her psychology changes. Fear, anger or disbelief disrupts the positive emotional response. But this change in emotional response does not disrupt the automatic physiological response.
The woman's vaginal vault does not dry up when her partner demands intercourse. This does not mean that she continued to respond to him sexually. The lubricating fluid was already present, it began as part of the consensual sexual response. It does not shut down. The body continues its automatic physiological response to the physical stimulus.
That's from a guide on how to prosecute rapists and prepare for a trial.
that makes it so rape is more physically damaging than it otherwise would be - the woman is almost certainly not lubricated, her muscles are not loosned up to accept the penis into the vagina either
Those factors can result in damage to the vagina but you're incorrect in assuming that this is always or even normally the case.
Contrary to many jurors', prosecutors' and judges' expectations, in the vast majority of rape cases there are no physical injuries. In the 1992 Rape in America study - cited as the most reliable national sample - 70% of victims reported no physical injuries and 24% reported minor physical injuries. In fact, the studies show that only a very small percentage of sexual assault victims sustain injuries so serious that they require hospitalization and death is rare.
Just in case you're wondering why there isn't damage.
Factors That Influence The Potential For Injury To The Genitalia
•lubrication of the vaginal vault (natural or artificial)
•positioning
•participation (active or passive)
•condition of the genital structures
•health and developmental status
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true - i wasn't including roofies or alcohol drugging situations in "rape" because i typically refer to them as "date-rape" more specifically
my bad
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The points I made don't just refer to date rape though. Stranger rape can still cause arousal.
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This is an area of ongoing research.
Hmm.
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Into arousal rather than rape I'd imagine :D
I can't imagine how you could possibly get funding otherwise.
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Into arousal rather than rape I'd imagine :D
I can't imagine how you could possibly get funding otherwise.
Probably have to mug people for it........
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Not a very good relationship there...threatened because one does not do something. Not good.
This is why relationships are so hard to come by.
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Not a very good relationship there...threatened because one does not do something. Not good.
This is why relationships are so hard to come by.
Like I said: The standard for a good man in China is one who is willing to tolerate anything from his wife/girlfriend. While using a sword to make him do it is an extreme example, the idea is still the same (and there are plenty of less extreme examples). Unless you are willing to be the submissive one, don't bother going for a real chinese girl because they are ALL like this.
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Considering that they know that there are about 40m men who can't find a wife due to the short sightedness of some families in thinking that male issue was more worthwhile it's hardly surprising.
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Not a very good relationship there...threatened because one does not do something. Not good.
This is why relationships are so hard to come by.
Like I said: The standard for a good man in China is one who is willing to tolerate anything from his wife/girlfriend. While using a sword to make him do it is an extreme example, the idea is still the same (and there are plenty of less extreme examples). Unless you are willing to be the submissive one, don't bother going for a real chinese girl because they are ALL like this.
No idea...never dated a Chineese girl. Submission is not something I do very well. I get extremely angry (and I'm a very calm person) when people start telling me to do stuff or start trying to manipulate. I don't handle that stuff well. I'm happy to help and I'm happy to be asked but I don't do orders.