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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: redsniper on July 07, 2006, 09:29:14 pm
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So, this here Eureka Seven show started up a couple months ago on Adult Swim. It's basically a mecha show along with some sort of... skateboarding... in the sky... :blah: Anyway, it started off kind of lame; the main character seemed like a pansy and things were just goofy overall BUT, then the first big plot twist happened and it's started getting good since then. It's apparent that there's a whole lot of stuff yet to be revealed, I can just feel it lurking right under the surface :D. I'm sure some of you lot have already seen it by perfectly legal and legitimate means and I'll bet Mongoose at least is watching it currently. So, who's seen this? Who's watching it now? And why do they pronounce 'Eureka' so retardedly?
My bit:
The thing that finally hooked me was finding out that Gekko State is not in fact some merry band of rebels, but rather an ex-murder/oppression/terror unit. Eureka mowing down civilians FTW. Also something is up with those LFOs considering that one bled when it's arm was cut off. That Anemone girl freaks me out as well.
Yeah, anything that's already been shown on Adult Swim mark as a spoiler. Anything else... just don't mention except in the vaguest sense because I KNOW I won't be able to avoid highlighting the spoilers. kthxbye.
EDIT: Okay, why can't I put spoiler tags? It's telling me I don't have permission. :wtf:
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meh, the show is just too ****ing generic, and the skybording robot thing makes it imposable for me to take it seriusly.
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The fact that they all ride surfboards in the sky, the main character is 13-14 years old and in a world with adults and million ton death machines, and the lack of any real reason for the fact that they're all fighting/any good storyline just makes the show double a plus stupid in my book.
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I don't even watch Adult Swim anymore...
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meh, the show is just too ****ing generic, and the skybording robot thing makes it imposable for me to take it seriusly.
Haven't anybody see Goddanar ?, they use mechs to play football !!!, now that's totally incomprehensible...
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is that a form of combat? if not then there is no comparison.
I don't even watch Adult Swim anymore...
you should (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,40636.0.html)
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you should (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,40636.0.html)
Actually, that would be why I don't. No quality.
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yes but that is, high quality in fact.
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Your definition of quality and mine are quite different, then. That's just random ****.
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random ****? :wtf: have you watched venture brothers? it has ongoing multi-season long plot elements, charicter development, it's _not_ aquateen-spaceghost-brak-perficthair-birdman-sealab which are all the same show relying only on randomness for humor wich I will agree got old about two years ago.
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Then why do you quote portions of it that read like random ****?
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it seems random because it's out of context, watch the show.
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Go argue about it in the Venture Bros. thread.
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This show is heavily edited..you should watch the fan subs you'll actually get to see the blood and berserker moments.
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/me strokes his beard thoughtfully.
Maybe so... I've noticed there's that one book that they blur out the cover of 'cuz there's a naked chick on it, but I'm surprised that they would edit out the blood and such considering they showed Evangelion with all the gore intact (AFAIK).
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maybe but they cut the boobies :(
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Seems kinda silly for Adult Swim.
Then again, they did edit the hooker scene from Outlaw Star...DVD dubs ftw.
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thats not all. They are showing Pee-Wee's Play house reruns. I think maybe that is a little too far.
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I was deeply disturbed by the latest Pee-wee trailer with him arguing with the his hand puppet... Iserious hope this is just a BAD JOKE on their part (like Croc vs Shark)...
Anyway I only saw part of 1 or 2 eps, looks liek it has potential but I can't get into it ATM.
As for the wimpy main character he can't get worse than Shinji Ikari (ultra wuss of the Megaverse). Akito Tenkawa from Nadesico came close, BUT he grew up and turned into a bad ass (Nadesico movie Prince of Darkness).
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I was deeply disturbed by the latest Pee-wee trailer with him arguing with the his hand puppet... Iserious hope this is just a BAD JOKE on their part (like Croc vs Shark)...
No, that's Pee-Wee. You'll have to watch it to understand.
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Seems kinda silly for Adult Swim.
Then again, they did edit the hooker scene from Outlaw Star...DVD dubs ftw.
Outlaw Star was actually the only show on Adult Swim that I followed faithfully. The rest was pretty much crap, IMO.
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Holy CRAP! :eek:
I don't know if anyone is still following this besides me and forgive the mild necromancy, but tonight's episode was just... NUTS! Evangelion-level amounts of blood and gore, child abuse, and even a severed arm to boot. Any worries about the main character being a pansy are now completely dispelled. The show has just crossed a significant threshold into the realm of the hardcore. :yes:
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I think the worst "child abuse", are any kids subjected to Eva's Angst.. It's far more deadly than Gundam Wing's
:lol:
Oooooo! A severed arm? Mecha or Human (you get more points for maming a living character for life!!!) I might have to watch it tonight. :nod:
I only saw like 2 episodes, I'd call that girl "Mama" too! ;7
:eek2: :nervous: :p :lol:
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As a regular poster on [adult swim]'s message boards, I've had the distinct pleasure of getting to know a great group of anime fans who can often help guide first-timers like me through new series. So, with a few arguments borrowed from one of these members, perhaps the series' most dedicated fan around (and trust me, this guy's seen hundreds of series, and he ranks this in his top 5), let me try to make a few little corrections over some "misconceptions":
1. This ain't your average generic mecha, folks, despite what "sky-surfing robots" might suggest. (And let's face it: those kick ass too. :D) E7's focus is on its characters, their interactions with one another, and the way they grow throughout the series; Renton's already gone through a hell of a lot of changes from where he started out, and last night's premiere episode illustrated very vividly just how complex the character of Holland is. At its utter core, though, E7 is really a love story, that of Renton and Eureka, and a compelling, moving love story at that. This series won several "best series of '05" awards in Japan, so don't try to tell me it's some ****ty mech-fest.
2. The series has already given plenty of exposition as to why the members of the Gekkostate are fighting the military; these aren't a series of mindless battles here. Yes, it's true that we don't know the whole story yet, but that's simply because this series' MO is that of limiting what the viewer knows until it wishes to reveal the info. We see this series through Renton's eyes, so if he doesn't really know what's going on yet, neither should we. There's also the fact that we're only 40% of the way through, and last night's episode marked a massive turning point in how the series progresses from here.
3. Renton another Shinji? Please. :lol: I actually enjoyed Evangelion when it aired on [as] last year (and trust me, I'm in the distinct minority on those forums), but Renton is practically a polar opposite to Shinji, and he showed why in only the first or second episode. It took Shinji some 26 episodes to realize that he "mustn't run away;" Renton reached that point in some 20 or 30 minutes. :p Unlike Shinji, Renton has a very optimistic outlook on life, and he's dedicated himself to protecting the mysterious girl he's fallen head-over-heels in love with, Eureka. Oh yeah, that's right; the whole "love" thing. Whereas Shinji has not one clue what to do around girls (seriously, dude, keep it in the pants...), here's a kid who's actually trying to win the heart of someone he loves. There's absolutely no basis for comparison here.
4. What happened in last night's episode. Without getting into details, the entire episode was one long ratcheting-up of tension, culminating in a final 60 seconds that were, without a doubt, the most visceral visual sequence I've ever had the privilege to see. I was literally sitting in my chair sweating like crazy and feeling sick to the stomach. We WERE Renton during that scene, and the realization that we reached was enough to sicken even the most hardened person. Truly, this was a spectacular achievment in visual storytelling.
5. While I unfortunately can't say that E7 has run completely unedited, all in all, the edits have been extremely few and far between, consisting of bleeped-out curses for the most part. There's also been digital blurring applied to a book cover on which appears the image of a nude woman. By far the most significant edit of all occurred last night, though, when a shot that represented the most graphic aspect of that episode's conclusion was spliced from the broadcast. (Thankfully, thanks to the "subbie" mentioned above, I was able to see the ending as it was intended.) While this edit was rather heinous, especially considering what aired during Trinity Blood's premiere an hour earlier (TB was broadcast with a TV-MA rating, while E7 had TV-14), there's at least some evidence to suggest that it was Bandai themselves, and not [as], who excised the shot. [as] has the MA rating available, so the only logical explanation is that the license for the series contains some sort of stipulation about it. With any luck, we'll be able to get an answer about this relatively soon.
So, to cut a long story short, Eureka 7 =/= generic mecha, and Eureka 7 most decidedly =/= Evangelion. If you're a fan of fantastic character development and a plot that is gradually revealed to you over 50 episodes, then I highly recommend picking it up some time. (I would probably advise against starting to watch the premieres now, since you'll be utterly lost.) If you're not a fan of these things, then go back to watching whatever ****ty series you do enjoy.
P.S. Also, major props to both Bleach and Trinity Blood's premieres on [as] last night. That was one hell of a 90-minute anime run. :)
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alreight, you have a link to this eppisode? I'll give the show a second chance.
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Stuff.
Fine, fine, that's great. Now tell me this: how well did they handle the mecha aspect of it? What would you say it's closest to if you had to compare their handling to something else?
Because just like Eva did, a giant robot show with crappy handling of the giant robots is an instant failure. Regardless of all other attributes. Blow your..."gimmick", if you will, and you've shot yourself in the foot.
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Because just like Eva did, a giant robot show with crappy handling of the giant robots is an instant failure. Regardless of all other attributes. Blow your..."gimmick", if you will, and you've shot yourself in the foot.
The only good mecha-oriented shows I have seen are Full Metal Panic and Vision of Escaflowne, both are something all of you should watch if you have at least little interest in the genre or even anime in general. I just might torrent E7 and see what's the fuss about.
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Stuff.
Fine, fine, that's great. Now tell me this: how well did they handle the mecha aspect of it? What would you say it's closest to if you had to compare their handling to something else?
Because just like Eva did, a giant robot show with crappy handling of the giant robots is an instant failure. Regardless of all other attributes. Blow your..."gimmick", if you will, and you've shot yourself in the foot.
First off, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by Eva having "crappy handling" of the mechs. The Angel fights were probably my favorite part of the whole series, particularly in episodes like 18 and 24. I'd appreciate it if you could clarify what you mean.
As far as Eureka 7's mech handling goes, I don't really know enough anime to compare it to anything else, but I'm fairly sure that it has some rather unique elements. The mechs in the series (mostly called LFOs) have both a wheeled vehicle mode and a standing humanoid mode. It's in this humanoid mode that they're able to "fly." The boards that they fly on make use of a property of the planet's atmosphere known as "trapar," short for "transparent particles." They essentially reflect off of the trapar to generate lift. (There's an element of surfer culture to the series as part of this; for instance, two of the characters are named Gidget and Moondoggie.) There seems to be a whole lot of mystery behind the trapar that hasn't been explained yet at the point of the series [as] has reached, so I know there's more there. As far as the mechs themselves go, we already know that there's something very special about the Nirvash Type Zero, which Renton and Eureka pilot, but exactly what that is, we don't know yet. If that's not what you wanted to know, then again, just add some further detail.
However, if you had really read all of my post, you'd know that the way the mechs are handled isn't really all that crucial to the series as a whole. Like I said, this isn't a series that revolves around the mechs. While the LFOs and their fights are important to the series as a whole, they're a far second to character development and relationships. The true soul of the series is in the way that it fleshes out its characters, making them seem very human and realistic in a way I've rarely come across before in fiction. Renton's neither the utterly idealistic stereotypical teenage mech pilot nor the utterly morose and depressed Shinji archetype. He's a regular 14-year-old boy, with the same overbearing optimism, mood swings, and emotional immaturity of pretty much any 14-year-old out there. Holland, another of the main characters, seems to be the suave leader of a cool counterculture group, but both Renton and the viewer soon see that he's got a huge amount of emotional baggage and stress. Again, when it comes down to it, this series is about character development, primarily the relationship between Renton and Eureka. The mech action is just the garnish on top of that. There's no "gimmick" here.
The only good mecha-oriented shows I have seen are Full Metal Panic and Vision of Escaflowne, both are something all of you should watch if you have at least little interest in the genre or even anime in general. I just might torrent E7 and see what's the fuss about.
Fury, I'd highly recommend giving the series a shot. It may not be something you find yourself hooked on right away, but if you give it enough time, you'll most likely wind up really enjoying it. I personally fell in love with it almost immediately, but I've heard of plenty of people who took up until the mid-teens, or particularly episode 20, where [as] is right now, to really get hooked. It may not even be a certain point that you can define, but you suddenly realize how much you're enjoying it. I have it on very good authority that things just keep getting better from here on out, so I'm very much looking forward to continuing to follow it.
P.S. One other thing I ought to mention is that this is the first truly original series produced by BONES, the same people who worked on things like the Bebop movie (and I believe most of the people there were also involved with the series), Wolf's Rain, RaXephon, and Fullmetal Alchemist. Dai Sato, who contributed to Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Wolf's Rain, Ghost in the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex, and Ergo Proxy, was the man behind the series composition. There's some serious talent that went into making this series, and it shows.
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wow you've realy got to be streaching it to tell me that a show with giant robots who's primary mode of locomotion is to surf through the sky, doesn't have a gimmic. I'm sorry but that is a huge hurtle to overcome in the suspention of disbelife department, this whole thing sounds like a bad gundam wing fanfic. and the fact that you dismiss this as some triviality makes me distrust you jugement.
but as I said, find last night's eppisode on youtube or the such and I'll look into it.
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Torrent the fan sub. If you want I can transfer it to you as well.
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First off, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by Eva having "crappy handling" of the mechs. The Angel fights were probably my favorite part of the whole series, particularly in episodes like 18 and 24. I'd appreciate it if you could clarify what you mean.
Basically it comes down to a vast overdose of sillytech. They gave the EVAs a time limit on their activity without a direct connection to a power source, which was a rather neat idea and made a lot of sense. It could have been much more developed, hell, it could have been what set the damn show apart in terms of mecha. Adds more suspense if you're racing the clock every time you get disconnected, or having to fight power levels and an Angel at the same time.
Instead they went and invented some damn "berserk mode" silliness to get around it when it got in the way instead of handling it like they could write worth ****. Dragging out the Plot Devices Inc. crap like that is something I'd expect to find in a bad fanfic. It's poor writing. It reeks of author fiat. It reeks of not thinking, of stupidity, of not being willing to face up to your mistakes.
Handling the mecha well means more then just cool fight scenes. Yes, Eva had those. But the overall way they treated the EVAs and how the EVAs fit in to everything else in the show was handled in a very half-assed manner.
As far as Eureka 7's mech handling goes, I don't really know enough anime to compare it to anything else, but I'm fairly sure that it has some rather unique elements. The mechs in the series (mostly called LFOs) have both a wheeled vehicle mode and a standing humanoid mode. It's in this humanoid mode that they're able to "fly." The boards that they fly on make use of a property of the planet's atmosphere known as "trapar," short for "transparent particles." They essentially reflect off of the trapar to generate lift. (There's an element of surfer culture to the series as part of this; for instance, two of the characters are named Gidget and Moondoggie.) There seems to be a whole lot of mystery behind the trapar that hasn't been explained yet at the point of the series [as] has reached, so I know there's more there. As far as the mechs themselves go, we already know that there's something very special about the Nirvash Type Zero, which Renton and Eureka pilot, but exactly what that is, we don't know yet. If that's not what you wanted to know, then again, just add some further detail.
Shades of MS Gundam's Minovosky physics. The White Base and similar-sized intra-atmospheric flying objects, and much later on in the UC continuity individual mobile suits, did rather the same thing via Minovosky Drive...but without the surfboards. They never did bother to really explain the Minovosky particles either, at least in the show, so don't get your hopes up too much.
I never did like DC Comics' Silver Surfer either.
But I digress. It seems you're thinking more shallowly then I am accustomed to. I will relate to you a story, and then you can see what I kind of things I look for when I talk about handling the giant robots well.
08th MS Team, of the UC Gundam continuity, is the best mecha show ever made. Perhaps it's not fair to compare it to this, since 08th was shorter and probably invested considerably more in quality animation. But then again what makes it the best could have been done with stick figures if anyone had bothered to think before. Quite simply someone went "Hey, wait a minute, we've been having them jump like humans all this time. We've already established they have to use thrusters to jump, since they are huge chunks of metal. We should stop having them jump like humans then." And so when they drew Terry Sanders' RX-78[G] jumping at the Apsalus I, they made it look like it was a giant robot that was being lifted off the ground by it's thrusters and not a guy inside a suit of armor jumping. 08th MS Team has much else to recommend it, of course, but it's touches like that which seperate the great from the merely good.
They bothered to think, you see. They woke up and realized that they're dealing with a multi-ton sixteen-meter-tall humanoid war machine, and hey, this is not a prop on the order of a nifty gun. This a prop on the order of a Viper or the Galactica itself on BSG. To properly make use of it requires the same kind of attention to detail and thought. Yes, you can just wave it around going "Oooh shiney!", but that merely displays to the world one's immaturity as a writer or director.
However, if you had really read all of my post, you'd know that the way the mechs are handled isn't really all that crucial to the series as a whole. Like I said, this isn't a series that revolves around the mechs. While the LFOs and their fights are important to the series as a whole, they're a far second to character development and relationships. The true soul of the series is in the way that it fleshes out its characters, making them seem very human and realistic in a way I've rarely come across before in fiction. Renton's neither the utterly idealistic stereotypical teenage mech pilot nor the utterly morose and depressed Shinji archetype. He's a regular 14-year-old boy, with the same overbearing optimism, mood swings, and emotional immaturity of pretty much any 14-year-old out there. Holland, another of the main characters, seems to be the suave leader of a cool counterculture group, but both Renton and the viewer soon see that he's got a huge amount of emotional baggage and stress. Again, when it comes down to it, this series is about character development, primarily the relationship between Renton and Eureka. The mech action is just the garnish on top of that. There's no "gimmick" here.
Surely you jest.
Fine, then Gundam Wing was Heero and Relena's love story and had no gimmick. Wake the hell up, man, and smell the flowers. You even make reference to surfer culture being a part of the show and you say it has no gimmick?
But I digress.
For better or worse it has assigned itself the label of mecha. This carries with it certain, rather large, baggage. I.E. the aforementioned 16-meter-tall humanoid war machine baggage. Perhaps I'm being unfair. Perhaps dealing with a reality like BattleTech that got down into the nitty-gritty of the care and feeding of giant robots, that really considered the implications of having these things stomping around all the time and leaving your sidewalks in ruins, spoiled me. But then again, perhaps I should not countance the bad behavior of those who don't bother to think about such things.
I must also point out that its uniqueness, aside from the highly questionable surfer bit, is simply not there. Your description brings forcibly to mind Zoids Chaotic Century, which was ultimately about Fiona and Van, not the Liger. But I suspect the Liger was handled better.
And those who contributed gives me no faith. It frankly reads a lot like my anime crap list, with exception of Bebop. Wolf's Rain is garbage. The others have their moments but can't escape the fact they're fundementally unbalanced; they are characters floating around without adequate support from anything else, the technically well-executed equivalent of Saturday morning faire. Perhaps they've learned their lesson by now. But I doubt it.
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Ey! I liked FMA! and GITS:SAC
( :lol: haha makes a funny acronim)
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Ey! I liked FMA! and GITS:SAC
( :lol: haha makes a funny acronim)
Nobody's perfect. :nervous: :p
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God, I royally suck at giving this series the pimping it deserves. Let me try to take this one step at a time...
wow you've realy got to be streaching it to tell me that a show with giant robots who's primary mode of locomotion is to surf through the sky, doesn't have a gimmic. I'm sorry but that is a huge hurtle to overcome in the suspention of disbelife department, this whole thing sounds like a bad gundam wing fanfic. and the fact that you dismiss this as some triviality makes me distrust you jugement.
If this was just my judgment alone to go on, then you might have reason to doubt me, but it goes a lot farther than that. I know several enormous anime fans (we're talking people who've seen what probably amounts to a few hundred series here) who picked this up subbed, fell in love with it, and eventually wound up ranking it in their top 5 series they'd ever seen, right up there with things like Cowboy Bebop, Paranoia Agent, and Monster. I know the "I know a guy" line might not do much for you, but these are people whose anime fandom I respect immensely, and they're ones who got me into the series in the first place.
As for what you're actually asking about, you might not believe it, but what I said is true. Yes, the mechs in this series use what are essentially giant surfboards to fly. Yes, the aircraft on this planet use the same technology, which essentially consists of reflective films that use specific subatomic particles in the atmosphere to generate lift. But that's it. There's no "stretching" here. You find out that that's the way things are, and then we move on with the plot. It's honestly not too hard to get past. Like I said, the whole mecha aspect isn't even remotely what the series focuses on at all. This is just about as far from Gundam as you can get, and it's sure as hell no "fanfic." We're twenty episodes in, and we're still mostly in the dark about what's going on in this world. The series takes its time to build an intricate plot, just giving you enough sniffs along the way to keep you hooked.
As for YouTube, what's to stop you yourself from going out there and finding it? Last night's episode was 20, but I will say that it probably won't make much sense, nor have any sort of real impact, if you haven't been watching up until then.
*lotsa stuff*
I barely know where to start here, but I'll give it a shot. First off, regarding Eva, I don't think you can call a main component of the truth to the series a mere "plot device" made to get around the whole time limit issue. That wasn't what it was there for at all. But I'm not here to talk about Eva, so I'll move on...
I don't really get what the heck you're on regarding 08th MS Team. I've never seen any of the Gundam series, and to be perfectly honest, I don't have too much desire to. Even if I had seen this series, why the hell would I care how mechs jump? Maybe I'm just fundamentally different than you with what I'm looking for, but that seems like the most trivial, nit-picky thing to focus on. You seem to be forgetting one thing: this is science fiction. Last time I checked, giant robots are pretty much the most unfeasible weapon of war ever devised in the imagination of writers. Who gives a damn if they're "scientifically" accurate? That's part of the whole "suspension of disbelief" thing. At least to me, the plot, characters, artistry, soundtrack, and general quality of a series are infinitely more important than its adherance to any sort of "realistic" standards.
Still, for the record, I will go ahead and say that this series doesn't treat the LFOs as "giant toys." They, too, have thrusters that they use to enter standing mode and to maneuver in flight. (Once again, I fail to see what makes thrusters so "revolutionary.") They're powered by rechargable batteries; the lack of charge became an issue in this past episode. They have actual physical limitations in flight; it isn't all "let's fly wherever/whenever the hell we want to." They are as vulnerable as the mechs that the enemies of the Gekkostate (the main group of protagonists) pilot. One other little detail I didn't mention before is that the machinery in this world requires devices called Compac Drives to enable their control; we don't exactly have all the details on what they do yet. In short, there's a hell of a lot of thought put into mech design and function here, and dismissing it without ever having seen an episode doesn't make much sense to me.
The funny thing is, though, that none of what I argued in that last paragraph really matters in the grand scheme of things. I assure you, I'm fully "woken up" here. This series isn't a mecha, and classifying it as a mecha is a mistake. It's a human drama that just so happens to have mechs in it. There's nothing at all self-delusional about that. (As for the surfing, there's no "gimmick" here, and it's not even close to prevalent throughout the series; it's an homage by the creator to 50s California culture. There are plenty of references in this series, to things as varied as electronic music synthesizers and Steve Jobs. A whole lot of thought went into all of this.) Again, like I said before, I've never seen Gundam, so comparisons to it mean nothing to me. But I can tell you that this series is at a much higher level than any sort of Zoids drivel. There's excellent story structure, incredible character development, and an underlying care to drawing the viewer deeper and deeper in. I'm not just pulling all of this out of my ass; it's become apparent to me as the series has gone on that I truly love these characters, and I have a hell of an emotional investment in what happens to them. That, to me, is what good anime, and good storytelling in general, is all about, and that comes through loud and clear in this series.
As for dismissing the entire works of BONES so cavalierly, I'm sorry, but I think that's pretty absurd. The series I mentioned contain among them some of the best-loved and most critically acclaimed series to come out of Japan in the past few years. Ghost in the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex was a ****ing brilliant series; I don't know how many times I've seen the first season, but I'm still gaining new insights into the plot every time I watch. Wolf's Rain was artistry at its best, so sad yet so beautiful. (I shouldn't even have to mention the fact that the incomparable Yoko Kanno did the soundtracks for these two.) Champloo was an amazing blend of anachronism and hip-hop with feudal Japan, with three complex and evolving main characters to boot. Fullmetal Alchemist threw in all kinds of plot twists over its 51 episodes and kept all of us watching it on [as] on the edge of our seats until the very end. Saying these don't have "adequate support" or that their characters are "flopping around" is about the most narrow-minded view I've ever come across. BONES is renowed for their animation quality and the subsequent quality of the series they've produced. You can't just write this up as "garbage" when it's included in "best series" lists everywhere.
...Look, I know this probably didn't do anything at all for you. I normally wouldn't get so worked up about this, but this is a series I've grown to absolutely love, and seeing it get ripped from people who've had not so much as a sniff of it just pisses me off. If my words didn't do anything, then try taking a look at this (http://media.putfile.com/Eureka-seveN-Season-2-Preview). It's a preview that one of the subbies on the [adult swim] forums put together for the second season of the series, which we're in now. At the very least, it'll give you a slight insight into the character and mech designs of the series, even if it can't begin to show you the way the plot and characters have slowly and steadily unfolded from episode 1.
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Ey! I liked FMA! and GITS:SAC
( :lol: haha makes a funny acronim)
Nobody's perfect. :nervous: :p
Full Metal Alchemist was an ace series and a movie! Definitely worth watching. Ghost in the Shell on the other hand... well, the movies and series were decent.
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/me fully endorses Mongoose's post above.
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(I shouldn't even have to mention the fact that the incomparable Yoko Kanno did the soundtracks for these two.)
I love Yoko Kanno's work, soundtrack of Vision of Escaflowne is still one of my favorites. :)
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I love SAC.
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I've never heard of Adult Swim, and to be honest i dont think i'll be following this line of thought much :ick:
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I kinda watched a few eps of E7 back when it started up in japan. since then I kinda dropped it. not because I didn't particularly like it, but because I didn't feel like watching what (after 10 eps or so) seemed to be just your average mecha show. don't get me wrong. I love BONES. They're definitely among my top 3 anime studios. It's just, I kinda expected another Kenran Butoh Sai.
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Since the average rating of E7 in animenfo is also 9.3, I decided to download E7 1-13, 14-26 and 27-39 torrent batches. I hope the show is at least decent to warrant downloading 9GB and uploading 18GB. (my personal target share ratio is 2:1 :p)
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I had like 10:1 for a while, but then the uni mailed me and said "WTF?"
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I had like 10:1 for a while, but then the uni mailed me and said "WTF?"
Hell, at our school, they give judicial strikes for "illegal file-sharing." :p
I can understand what you're saying about your opinion of it after 10 or so episodes. After the relatively dramatic opening three-parter, the series does slow down somewhat, spending several episodes focused mostly on character exposition and development. (I'm not saying that these episodes are bad, but they do have more of a deliberate pacing to them. There are also plenty of plot points in there, although from all I've been told, they probably won't make much sense until you get much further into the series.) It's actually right after episode 10 that we start to get into some of the heavier plot stuff, and that's where the series really starts to set itself apart; episode 12, in particular, is probably one of the trippiest half-hours of TV you'll ever see (but in a good way, mind you :p). From what I've been told, the episode I just saw, 20, pretty much marks the point where the series takes off on all cylinders, and from this end, it's easy to see how that's the case. This isn't really the type of series for those who want instant gratification, but from all the comments I've heard about it, everyone who gave it a chance and stuck with it for a little while ended up completely hooked before too long.
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Colonol Dekker - "I've never heard of Adult Swim, and to be honest i dont think i'll be following this line of thought much"
HERESY! :p
From what I've seen it's visually appealing, obviously has drawn out character/story depth, and not too dificult to add a factor of "suspension of disbelief" even on the surfboard issue...
Ya know? Like in the 70's all those mecha I fell in love with that are way too heavy or awkward to actually move or fly right (with no apparent mechanics designed to add thrust or elevation for such huge and ungaunly masses..) BUt is that REALLY important? It was entertaining!
And from the above description, Renton sounds better than my initial impression of "Shinji-lite" :lol: getting better all the time...
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Gundam Guyver Patlabor and a bit of MD Geist FTW !
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I watched E7 eps 1-10 yesterday. So far I am not overly impressed but not downright disappointed either. What puts me off the most, are the two main characters who are 14-16 year old kids. It's hard to relate and take the characters seriously. Not only that but the characters have been pretty generic types so far, but I hope that to change in the remaining 40 eps.
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I watched E7 eps 1-10 yesterday. So far I am not overly impressed but not downright disappointed either. What puts me off the most, are the two main characters who are 14-16 year old kids. It's hard to relate and take the characters seriously. Not only that but the characters have been pretty generic types so far, but I hope that to change in the remaining 40 eps.
at some point someone is going to attack or something and then he will shout out just exactly what ridiculous attack he will do no
i always shout "NERD PUNCH" when i hit my girlfriend
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:wtf:
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i always shout "NERD PUNCH" when i hit my girlfriend
lol wtf
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Dammit, Holland! Last night's episode was kinda :(... but in a good way.
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i always shout "NERD PUNCH" when i hit my girlfriend
lol wtf
The domestic situation beggars belief........ :eek2:
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:eek2: It's doing it again! Kicking arse, that is. Just saw ep 27 on Adult Swim Fix, so if anyone is going to watch this on Saturday (probably just Mongoose) thar be spoilers, sort of.
Anyway, I'll just give context-less, awesome details. Ex-Special Forces peeps are a bit daft. Bullet proof vests aren't much good against point blank machine gun bursts to the gut. Exploding corpses, ala Deus Ex and Snake Eater, are hardcore.
That is all.
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Yeah, I saw it myself. Very good stuff, although it just can't top last week. Episode 26 was one of the most beautiful half-hours of entertainment I've ever seen. :)
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Next couple of episodes are awesome BTW.
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Ep 26 was great except that that whole rainbow pseudo-seven swell thing didn't quite jive with me. My favorite part by far was when Charles was out in his LFO trying to nab Eureka and she was dodging all over the place, while the whole time that awesome orchestral music was playing in the background. Just... wonderful. :cool:
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the whole series' all pretty ****ing awesome. 'cept the g'damn ending, obviously.
but then again, it's BONES we're talking about. they've never let me down. anyone who likes this one should check out kenran butoh sai for more excellent character-driven mecha anime. (and of course rahxephon)
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/me has just seen the second to last episode.
/me is bricking shats.
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Huh, you're pretty late to the party. :p
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meh, the show is just too ****ing generic, and the skybording robot thing makes it imposable for me to take it seriusly.
Exactly... Ironic coming from somebody whos trying to find NGE DVDs
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Huh, you're pretty late to the party. :p
I've been watching it on TV, at one episode per week. :p
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Same here...
Ep 49 that just played had some nice panning using the digital animation.
Very smooth flow of the action there.
How the GekkoGo almost stopped on a dime, pointed up, and proceeded to do a series of
forward thrust spirals in order to escape the drone weapons... is beyond explaining in normal physics.
Heh, I thought I had a fairly good idea of it's speed and capabilities until it did that. ^_^
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Hehe, redsniper, I was just thinking of firing off a message to you to see if you were still keeping up. :)
Words simply cannot describe what this episode was like, nor what it did to me. I mean...my God, this was beyond amazing. Dai Sato and BONES deserve every ounce of credit in the world for this masterpiece. All I know at this point is that the time between here and next Saturday night had damn well better move more swiftly than any week I've experienced before...
(Also, for the sake of absolute safety, there's no way I'm looking back in this thread until next Sunday. :p)
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I have the E7 Complete Best CD/DVD set, of which I made a review on my forum.
The DVD has the full openings and closings (CN cut out a fair amount, particularly
from the last OP) which looks quite nice as to color quality on DVD. It also has the two game
OP's and a AMV of sorts for the series... rather long and good in and of itself.
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yeah, you can also see the full intros and outros on youtube and download them from asfdotcom.net.
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I missed all of AS last night due to me being crap-a-brick tired, I was mostly upset about missing bleach, but now that I think about it I was sort of wondering what was going to happen in this as well, this show did end up semi-passable, due largely in part to a dramatic reduction in skyboard related scenes.
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Well, I like having the real thing... including the books, cards, and so forth -
which I'm aware are available as scans/torrents.
Another part of it is l enjoy getting a much better price than most other folks.
Such as Amazon has sets in the $60-80 range... I got mine for about $40
Not sure if anyone knew this or not, but there is a GekkoGo model out there.
It was made for the last WonderFest, I've seen a couple available.
I don't suppose anyone has the E7 model book? It might come in handy if modeling
references were needed.
Bob - you missed a good episode.
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no I didn't,
youtube,
I just watched the next (last) one too, I like how it ends with posably the greatest act of vandalism humanity will ever know :)
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Gaaah! No hinting, no spoiling! You're fine now, just... don't go any farther.
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I worded that very carefully so that it would only make sense after the fact.
I will admit the last few episodes were very nice, and the ending was pretty satisfying, which is more than can be said about most animes.
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:shaking: ONE HOUR LEFT!!! THE END IS NEAR!!!
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...aaaaand apparently [as] cut off the last 4 or so minutes of the episode, which leaves me feeling rather unsatisfied...
I realize the last scene probably doesn't contain any epic plot twist or revalation, but I'm just kinda lacking that sense of closure or finality I was hoping for. :blah:
Anywho, their forums are going bananas now, and if you could use <img> tags there I would most certainly be goatse'ing the place to hell right now. I guess I'll have to go hit up Youtube eventually and see what I missed. :doubt:
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Actually it was fairly important... they also messed up the credits and the opening
too. Considering what I've read in the last 10 hours or so, it changes the ending quite a
bit as to being open vs. closed.
I'm pretty ticked off at AS for cutting it like that when now I know what I missed
(went forum hopping). Supposedly a OVA may be in the works, another line of prequel
manga has been announced. A fan made 51ish festival episode exists too. The 13th JP
DVD also had a boy with wings and blonde hair, and a girl with Eureka's teal hair but no
wings standing at the beach with regular surfboards on the cover... so who knows there.
One place for info and scans of the art books is here -
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Eureka_Seven/
Now I'll have to result to downloads after I can get broadband or wait for the DVDs
to finish being released when AS simply could of cut the dumb commercials by 5-6 minutes.
Where's Carl? I've got a job for him in AS's air ducts... :eek2:
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you know the scene they cut out actually really confused me, I mean it went from "go live on earth and be an example for everyone" to "hmm I wonder when they are gona get back..."
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Hey, if I'd just spent the last year busting my ass to save the world, I'd want some time alone with my girl too. :D
Funny you should mention the cut scene...this Monday, BrandMerrill, a Williams Street employee, posted on the message boards stating that [as] apologized for the "butchering" of the final episode and would be re-airing it "as complete as possible" this Saturday at 1AM. What's more, he posted today that episode 50 will be placed back on the [as] Fix in its entirety for all of next week, starting tomorrow. It is nice to see them show some true concern for the opinions of their fans once in a while. :)
Also, I never did post anything about my thoughts on the series in here, so let me quote myself from a post I made on the [as] forums on the day after the finale:
I think the only words I can form about the focus of this entire maelstrom are that, out of all the works of fiction I've seen on TV, in a movie theater, or through the pages of a book, none have touched me in such a profound and powerful way than this series has. I make it a conscious point not to rank the series I watch, because I like many of them for many different reasons, but if I ever decide to change that in the future...I think that Eureka 7 would have to shoot to the top by default. If someone had told me a year or two ago that I'd be shedding tears of joy over the relationship between a 14-year-old boy and an otherworldly girl, I'd have laughed myself silly at them. It's been an honor, a privilege, and a pure delight to have taken this journey, and at the end, all I can do is look back over the whole thing with total awe. So yes, if I could take one thing from this night and keep it with me, it'd be Renton and Eureka, and what their love for each other was able to accomplish.
I stand by every word I said there; this series was jaw-droppingly amazing and utterly heartfelt, and the ending fit it perfectly. Watching it all unfold is definitely an experience I'll keep with me for a very long time.
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I'm not sure I'd go as far as jaw dropping, but it was very very good
and I'd like to see Bones come out with more... it's been the best thing on
AS since... um... hold on *thinks*
Well I can't remember back that far :blah:, and I've watched CN since before
the Sailor Moon days.
That edit really did tick me off quite a bit, as it was unnecessary and uncalled for
when it changes the ending that much. Their rerun of it unedited was appropriate
and I'm glad to see the fans are still at least listened to in some fashion.
(Now if we could just get them to dump the commercials and lousy programming. :doubt:)
I wrote these up for another forum as closing thoughts...
"Some things still puzzle me...
1. Eureka kept the wings (I'll assume due to Renton liking them)
2. What part of the planet was "evaporating"? If it was the scub coral then why was Belforest still intact? In that case what happened to the Earth which you might say was "inside" the core of the Eureka planet.
3. We get the 1 year later note, so what happened to the Gekko crew and Talho's child?
4. What was that motorbike and tent setup that went by just before Renton and Eureka were shown? Was that their gear or was that someone else?
5. Sadly we don't get to see the Super Ezumo do much at all after all that upgrading, it was supposed to have some additional homing laser...
6. What happened to the crew on the Ezumo? They had no fuel after giving it to the Gekko and the planet broke up...
7. What were the 7 green orbs that shot out around the planet?
8. I've read about the dub being inaccurate in places, but the wording given when the kids stopped to wish on the star seems to indicate that R&E hadn't come to the children... or they did pick them up from Holland and just hadn't come back from the woods yet. It's a minor point, but it does remain a question.
9. Because the scubs left, does that mean the trappr and wave ability has gone with them?
10. Will Eureka be a better soccer player with those wings? After all it's something that I find very few have thought of... is that Holland said that one day they all would return to face the other team again.
Some things in the manga have been said to be canonized, but others not... which makes little sense. Like Anemmonie's daughter."
The final version of the Nirvash I wasn't expecting, I'd seen the one shrouded in darkness during the opening and thought that was the last version. Don't think I like it over the Spec 2 though... particularly since it was a one seater (stander?) to begin with and no jet mode.
Eh still, E7's not a bad concept for a mod down the road... hopefully the fanbase will
continue on.
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I'll take a stab at those, if you'll let me:
1) Eureka's wings were part of her evolution as a Coralian over the course of the series, so it wouldn't make much sense for her to lose them just like that simply because she was going to remain on Earth. The fact that she attained that distinctive look also helps to reinforce the whole "humans and Coralians living in harmony" concept. Plus, like you said, Renton likes them. :)
(As a side note, Renton's "Can I touch them?" wins my vote for the most innuendo-tastic line of the series. :p)
2) As the Nirvash said during her final speech to Renton and Eureka, half of the Scub Coral was departing the Earth to journey to the "tenth plane," in order to find a way for all humans and Coralians to live together in peace, without the threat of destruction. (Presumably, the Coralians also took with them the humans that had been absorbed by the Scub Coral, as we see images of Norbu, Sakuya, Adrock, and Diane receding with the Nirvash.) In an overview shot of Earth near the end of the episode, we can see that large portions of the Scub Coral have vanished, revealing the planet's original surface below. As Gonzy said, "there's no reason why there can't be more than one path to enlightenment;" the Scub Coral that left would be working in their own dimension to make cohabitation possible, just as Renton and Eureka would be on the Earth. As for Bellforest, it was presumably on one of the portions of the Scub Coral that remains; although the series doesn't specify, I'd assume that the Coralians had enough discretion to not destroy humanity's settlements, seeing as how they want to co-exist with them and all. :p
3) We don't get any specifics about the future of Holland, Talho, and the rest of Gekkostate, but considering the tone of the whole series, I think it's safe to say that Talho gives birth to a happy, bouncing baby, while Holland is going about trying to right the wrongs of his brother; I'd assume that the rest of Gekkostate is right there with him.
4) If you take another look at that shot, you'll notice Dominic, Anemone, and Gulliver sitting next to the motorbike and looking up at the moon.
5) It's true that the Super Izumo didn't have to do much in the end, but that's all the better for Jurgens and Co.; fortunately for them, the military was too occupied by the massive hordes of Antibodies to attack them. :p We did see it fire off a few shots at one point, I believe.
6) I don't think that Jurgens necessarily gave the Gekko his entire fuel supply, and even if he had, I'm sure they were able to bum a lift from someone before too long. We do see Dominic and Anemone safe and sound at the end, after all.
7) If I had to guess, I'd say that those orbs were some sort of signal or stimulus to the Scub Coral to begin their journey to the tenth plane.
8) From what I've heard, the dub was just about exact to the original at that point. From the conversation between Axel and the kids, I'm fairly sure that Renton and Eureka hadn't returned yet. When Axel says to Maurice, "Out of all the members of this family who've ever left this town, your poppa was the only one to ever come back," he goes on to say, "The fact that I have three great-grandchildren here with me is proof of that." That second line leads me to believe that Renton and Eureka hadn't returned in person yet, but that, for Axel, the fact that the kids are there counts equally as Renton returning. (I'd assume that Holland dropped the kids off with Axel, seeing as how he was their only remaining family member.) All of that being said, and again, considering the theme of the entire series, I have no doubt and my mind that the two of them will return home before too long. (In fact, the final frame of the original Japanese broadcast of the final episode is a beautiful colored pencil sketch of Renton, Eureka, Axel, and the kids all standing together; this shot wasn't included on the Japanese DVD, so it's uncertain if it'll be on the American release.)
9) Like I said above, half of the Scub Coral is still on the planet, so I'd guess that the trapar waves are still there. The reffers need somewhere to lift, after all. ;) (Speaking of which, the cover art of the final volume of the Japanese DVD release shows a young brown-haired boy with green wings and a young green-haired girl standing with surfboards on a beach...maybe Renton and Eureka's kids will inject a bit of old-school into the reffing community. :))
10) Who knows; they might give her some sort of advantage. If/when Gekkostate goes to play that team again, they'll need all the help they can get. :p
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1) Side - I was more surprised that Eureka was shown at the end of 49 to have gone
"completely jello" and yet she returned to her original state without any disfigurements
and added the wings at the start of 50. Although this might be attributed to the cluster
and her not being able to return.. The fact that Renton said the wings were warm, sort
of surprised me as well. Considering that whatever she has as a cardiovascular system,
would have to pump through the wings as well - for them to be warm. She's not solar powered.. :)
3) Sure but was the baby a Talhoan (boy) or Hollandette (girl)? :D
4) Nope I couldn't see that in AS's run. I think the credits may have been sped up a bit.
Plus the credits themselves blocked a lot of what there was to see.
5) Yes that was right before the high speed shuttle from the lab (carrying Dr. Bear) showed up
around 48 or 49 I think. That was mostly LFO though.
8) Not to be nitpicky, but you left out Axel's "comperable" (sp?) in his statement about the kids.
The sketch can be seen at the Wikipedia E7 page... although better quality ones are around.
9) You mean this image for the forum banner... ^_^
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Eureka_Seven/index.php?s=08c360142ec25b25a5fc0aabf06ea056&showtopic=218&st=0
Granted it's a crop and enlargement... but least you can see it better than most of the DVD case shots.
If you want the case shot itself - http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k219/TheL0st0ne/Eureka%207/BCBA-2262.jpg
10) Heh well I was thinking about some sort of jump kick Eureka could do... ^_^
Least she wouldn't have to step on Holland's face to get some altitude.
Oh and for final episode purposes, screencaps listing here:
http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=3913993&view=by_date_ascending&page=39
Some nice fan art:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Magil/1167644235843.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Magil/1173435644697.jpg