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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: pecenipicek on July 11, 2006, 03:50:38 pm
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Well, inspired by the misterious shrooms thread (:p), i've decided to try and ask you guys what of the... well.. um, how to phrase it...
what have you guys/girls tried? and what are you using still?
i for one have tried marijuana, which oddly enough didnt affect me in any way, even tho that might be the fault of people who rolled the joint...
thats about for the stuff i tried :p
as for stuff i do regularly/semi-regularly, booze, cigs(veeeery rarely...), camomile(smoking it :D not a joke.)
booze makes me semi-hyperactive and most of all tree hugging... cigs.. well, dunno, didnt smoke a lone cig in a looong time
and camomile.... weeeeeeeell :p to me the effect is sorta like getting drunk, without the bad sides... sorta like tripping, but only barely, and the feeling lasts 10 minutes at most.
i would like to try LSD, but its a wee bit hard to get here and i steel havent found two people thrustworthy enough to guard me while i'm tripping... any of you tried LSD?
(or know how to make it? :nervous: )
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What the crap?
And I thought I needed to pay attention to my 'custom' title.
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whaaat? i intended to do a thread like this for quite some time. and i'm 100% sure that it came out a wee bit wrong :p
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doing drugs is on par with shoving a burning stick down your throat. (thats the way I think of it)
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Alcoholic beverages.
Also, I've been trapped in a small room with another person smoking a joint, don't know if that counts. I probably got a contact buzz, but as I said, don't know if that counts for anything. All I know is I felt nice and sleepy.
Otherwise, I steer clear of the stuff. I know I have an addictive personality so I don't wanna let myself get caught up in any of it.
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well, i'm against marijuana and cigs, and most other stuff, my only drugs are booze and camomile(if that can be called a drug...) at the moment...
the only other drug that i'd want to try is LSD.
just for the hell of it... heh...
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The only drug I've taken is alcohol, and I gave that up to try and stay in shape for 5s. A semester long elective on drugs has convinced me you'd have to a complete ****ing idiot to take anything beyond said bevvy.
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If you've never taken a drug, you really are not qualified to say anything about how bad it is, becasue there is a lot of propaganda out there and not all of it is true.
Having said that, I can definately recommend you avoid the following drugs :
cocaine and crack-cocaine (freebase)
heroin
crystal meth
angel dust (PCP)
and any opiate related pill such as hydrocodone (vicodin), codeine, oxycodone, percocet.
Also avoid barbituates like valium and any other weird pills.
DXM (in cough syrup)
Now on to the drugs I recommend experimenting with :
Marijuana (don't smoke it every day or habitually. The first time you may not get high, you probably smoked it wrong. try a few times and you'll get it)
Alcohol (this is a very dangerous drug, only use in moderation and not more than 2 to 3 times a week, lest you become physically dependant and start a tolerance to it.)
Mushrooms (take only in a controlled setting. Do not take more than 1/8 of an ounce of mushrooms at once. Do not mix with other drugs or alcohol. Be prepared to feel ill. Remember that it will end and you only took a drug that will wear off and you will not die.)
LSD(this is highly preferable to mushrooms as it is a lot nicer of an effect, mushrooms are unpredicable and LSD is alot easier to take a measured dose. Do not take more than one dose (hit) your first time (25 to 50 micrograms). Take only in a controlled setting. Do not mix with other drugs or alcohol. Remember that it will end and you will not die. Make sure you allot 12 to 15 hours for the experience.)
Ecstasy(MDMA) (it's very hard to find pure MDMA. Most "e" or "x" pills contain adulterants, caffeine, DXM (cough syrup active ingredient),Amphetamines, or other MDMA precursors (weak forms of MDMA) mixed in with the adulterants. If you take MDMA, make sure you drink plenty of water throughout the experience and take breaks from strenous activity, such as dancing, often. You will feel like you love everyone. This is not a real feeling but a drug symptom, so watch out !)
I think that about covers it for the common drugs. I have taken all of these before, even the bad ones, so I know what is okay and what should be avoided at all costs (there is no good that can come of the drugs on the bad list)
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Interesting. Thanks for the insight as I probably won't be taking any of these. ;)
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I've never used an illegal drug in my life. If you're counting alcohol, I've been drunk four times in my life.
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Well, I'll agree that a massive percentage of 'Anti-Drug' messages are either grossly overstated or simply pulled out of the rectum. However, there are dangers to drugs and people need to be aware of them before any kind of experimentation.
LSD is ok, but you can get what is called a 'Bad Trip', which is a terrifying experience, this is why I have never taken it.
Marijuana is more of a risk because it is usually smoked with tobacco. If you must try it, I recommend you take it in a manner that doesn't involve tobacco.
Magic Mushrooms are unusual, some people they don't affect, other people they have a profound effect on, once again, it's down to personal choice.
I don't recommend drugs, not because they are not enjoyable or fun sometimes, but because I could not, in all good conscience, suggest trying them to people when I have no idea how susceptible to addiction you are. If you are the sort of person who, once they find something they like, tend to spend the next 6 days doing nothing else, then avoid drugs, because you stand a fair chance of getting addicted. If you are capable of putting down something you enjoy in order to get on with real life, then the problem is far less.
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If you've never taken a drug, you really are not qualified to say anything about how bad it is, becasue there is a lot of propaganda out there and not all of it is true.
Having said that, I can definately recommend you avoid the following drugs :
cocaine and crack-cocaine (freebase)
heroin
crystal meth
angel dust (PCP)
and any opiate related pill such as hydrocodone (vicodin), codeine, oxycodone, percocet.
Also avoid barbituates like valium and any other weird pills.
DXM (in cough syrup)
thats the stuff i avoid like hell!
Now on to the drugs I recommend experimenting with :
Marijuana (don't smoke it every day or habitually. The first time you may not get high, you probably smoked it wrong. try a few times and you'll get it)
could be... i dont like the smell actually... nor do i have the money to smoke it even habitually... i just want to try it and properly get high once...
Alcohol (this is a very dangerous drug, only use in moderation and not more than 2 to 3 times a week, lest you become physically dependant and start a tolerance to it.)
i dont drink it anymore too much, once, twice, thrice a month at most and i last got drunk... a bit more than 3 months ago. a week before i started dating my current girl... i prefer liquor vodkas and good beer above everything else
Mushrooms (take only in a controlled setting. Do not take more than 1/8 of an ounce of mushrooms at once. Do not mix with other drugs or alcohol. Be prepared to feel ill. Remember that it will end and you only took a drug that will wear off and you will not die.)
this is one of the things i will never, ever, ever try. i'm just a little bit scared of using mushrooms...
LSD(this is highly preferable to mushrooms as it is a lot nicer of an effect, mushrooms are unpredicable and LSD is alot easier to take a measured dose. Do not take more than one dose (hit) your first time (25 to 50 micrograms). Take only in a controlled setting. Do not mix with other drugs or alcohol. Remember that it will end and you will not die. Make sure you allot 12 to 15 hours for the experience.)
this is what i want to try, i want to feel a trip...
Ecstasy(MDMA) (it's very hard to find pure MDMA. Most "e" or "x" pills contain adulterants, caffeine, DXM (cough syrup active ingredient),Amphetamines, or other MDMA precursors (weak forms of MDMA) mixed in with the adulterants. If you take MDMA, make sure you drink plenty of water throughout the experience and take breaks from strenous activity, such as dancing, often. You will feel like you love everyone. This is not a real feeling but a drug symptom, so watch out !)
i'm not touching ecstasy i any way, shape or form. a friend of mine ended up in a week long coma after taking one such pill... gah. that was a horrid week...
I think that about covers it for the common drugs. I have taken all of these before, even the bad ones, so I know what is okay and what should be avoided at all costs (there is no good that can come of the drugs on the bad list)
thanks, this is much appreciated :)
Well, I'll agree that a massive percentage of 'Anti-Drug' messages are either grossly overstated or simply pulled out of the rectum. However, there are dangers to drugs and people need to be aware of them before any kind of experimentation.
yes, i'm well aware of that...
LSD is ok, but you can get what is called a 'Bad Trip', which is a terrifying experience, this is why I have never taken it.
Marijuana is more of a risk because it is usually smoked with tobacco. If you must try it, I recommend you take it in a manner that doesn't involve tobacco.
Magic Mushrooms are unusual, some people they don't affect, other people they have a profound effect on, once again, it's down to personal choice.
rule number 1 about LSD, from what i gathered from reading various articles, do not ever ever take LSD if your mind is in a boggled state or you're ****ed up at that moment....
I don't recommend drugs, not because they are not enjoyable or fun sometimes, but because I could not, in all good conscience, suggest trying them to people when I have no idea how susceptible to addiction you are. If you are the sort of person who, once they find something they like, tend to spend the next 6 days doing nothing else, then avoid drugs, because you stand a fair chance of getting addicted. If you are capable of putting down something you enjoy in order to get on with real life, then the problem is far less.
appreciated mate :)
i'd like to thank anyone giving tips about this, as it is much more helpfull than those stupid "Drugs are bad, mkay." stuff they usually yell out around here... (my town i mean, i swear to god, if they send me to another seminar about how drugs are bad i'm going to kill somebody, as those seminars usually involve veeeeery gross picture...)
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LSD and Mushrooms are NOT addictive drugs.
LSD has a tolerance factor where if you try to take it again after you have taken it within a short period of time (about 3 days to a week) you need to take double the dose to get any effect. and the next time double again, etc. It is not physically addictive, and I haven't found it psychologically addictive (although you may enjoy the experience, which may lead you to want to take it again) This is the same for Mushrooms. If you eat Mushrooms containing Psilocybin and Psilocin, you WILL have a trip of 6 to 8 hours or more. Those that have no experience took fake mushrooms.
With both LSD and Mushrooms it is possible to have a bad trip. I have had several bad experiences and several profound experiences on psychedelic drugs. Your mental state, the setting you take the drugs in and what occurs during the time you take them and the people you take them with have the most effect on whether you will have a good or a bad time. You are much, much better off taking LSD if you are worried about a bad trip, because in my experience, mushrooms tend to cause worse trips because they make you feel physically ill (puking) unlike LSD which does not. This is due to other posions in the mushroom itself, but it can affect your mental state, which needs to be solid in order for you to even consider a psychedelic drug. You should NEVER take ANY psychoactive drug if you have any history of mental illness, take a Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor, have ADHD or ADD, or another similar disorder or nervous system disorder, or are on any type of medication.
Marijuana can be moderately psychologically addictive. I know this for a fact. It is not physically addictive, like heroin, where if you stop taking it you will be unable to eat, sleep, or stop thinking about getting heroin. But if you smoke marijuana every day for a month and then stop, you will think about wanting to take more and get grumpy. This lasts for about 2 or 3 days and you're over it. For this reason you should not smoke marijana every day (also the tar and chemicals when you burn marijuana may cause lung cancer, think about that... but much less risk than cigs becasue you don't smoke them everyday and you smoke much less marijana than you do with tobacco)
Ecstasy is a weird drug. It is not physically addictive, although i have seen people abuse it and take large quantities, but not because they were addicted to it, but because they enjoyed it. For me, the magic of MDMA is lost after about 10 to 15 times. After that its not as much fun to take anymore, you still feel its effects but they don't seem as amazing or as profound as the first times. It's certainly not in the league of any of the other addictive drugs like cocaine, or heroin.
Alcohol is a drug that can cause physically and psychological dependance. However if you moderate your intake and do not drink more than a few times a week at most, you will not get any of these symptoms. Usually it takes a long time of constant drinking to get dependance. Some people are more addicted to it than others. I'm not one of these people. As with many drugs however, those abusing alcohol or who have a dependence on it will not realize the extent to which they're dependant on the drug. This is exacerbated by alcohol's legal and socially acceptable status. It is a dangerous drug and you should give it respect and be careful with it. Definately don't mix alcohol with other drugs.
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I've seen people get phsychologically addicted to Shrooms, one of them used the excuse that they'd had a 'truth' revealed to them, but couldn't remember it, and kept taking Shrooms to try and refind the 'Truth'. But it's very much about the mental makeup of the person themselves.
The most damaging drugs are probably Alcohol and Tobacco, one of them can bring out bouts of violence or suicidal depression, the other is a massive health risk and almost as addictive as Heroin.
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Personally, I enjoy Marijuana. I feel it should not be legalized however, because its effects depend upon the psychological state of the individual, which can vary. Some people are already bloody mental and shouldnt' take any drugs at all. I don't think those caught with MJ should be punished severely, simply pay a fine and have their stuff confiscated (many cops will attest to the fact they smoke unreported marijuana stolen from teenagers :nod:)
I don't like to be around people when i'm high on marijuana, becuase it makes me feel pretty stupid sometimes and awkward, and you do get paranoiac feelings which you have to learn to ignore. I enjoy it for its' spacializing effect on music and I enjoy unwinding after a long day, smoking a big fat joint and listening to music. And this is only once in a while, I don't do it often.
The other drugs i have experimented with, I no longer have a need to do any of them, and I don't like drinking much, except sometimes you have to have a pint or a glass because other people get uncomfortable if you don't :p
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I've seen people get phsychologically addicted to Shrooms, one of them used the excuse that they'd had a 'truth' revealed to them, but couldn't remember it, and kept taking Shrooms to try and refind the 'Truth'. But it's very much about the mental makeup of the person themselves.
The most damaging drugs are probably Alcohol and Tobacco, one of them can bring out bouts of violence or suicidal depression, the other is a massive health risk and almost as addictive as Heroin.
Yes, but psychological addiction refers to the drug making people want to take more of it. I'm pretty certain they're only going through a phase with those drugs (I went through a tripping phase where i took acid all summer long and such for a year) but this is just the person really.
Psychologically addictive drugs like Marijuana - there are people that swear by smoking MJ every single day for the rest of their life - and do it ! that's a true psychological addiction. Try doing that with LSD or shrooms - you'd end up in the loony bin !
There is something about Marijuana that has a symbiotic relationship with humans. Have you noticed potheads always get into "growing" their own supply - this is certainly the influence of the plant wanting humans to help it spread and procreate. THC is shaped exactly like receptors in the human brain - one of the ONLY plant based chemicals to have such an unusual shaped receptor. It's designed for human consumption. Shrooms and LSD work by inhibiting the brains' adsorbtion of serotonin - a naturally occuring chemical in the brain - so it's not the same as those... anyway now i'm getting into my crazy Weed Plants take over the world theory...
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Yup, my favourite was Marijuana, and, whilst I don't buy it myself any more, I will not say no if someone offers me a toke. I've worked with kids who are on Marijuana every day and your observation is 100% accurate, if you smoke it every day you become reclusive and paranoid, though part of that paranoia comes from the fact that the pastime is illegal, and you are more aware of it when you are under the effect of it, so going home stoned from your mates house can be a harrowing experience.
True about the Shrooms, it may well only be a short-term 'binge', we used to have nights like that, but nonetheless, do it with the wrong substance and it can be dangerous.
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I believe people shouldn't do drugs but they should be legal anyway. Figure that out. ;)
(FYI, the only non-medicinal drug I've ever had is alcohol.)
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alcohol != drugs
stop saying that they do. Anything thats legal shouldn't count.
Sorry, but it's funny hearing you guys say "I like Marujiana" or "I want to try <drug here>" :)
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So Tobacco isn't a drug either?
It's the fact that people don't want to see alcohol as a drug that makes it 10 times more dangerous to be honest. It works by poisoning you and affecting your perceptions whilst in a poisoned delerium, that's why you feel so awful after a binge and why too much will kill you through Alcohol poisoning.
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Alcohol = bad (ungood)
Drug = legal or illegal medicinal (more or less) item
Alcohol != drug
(truthfully, I just don't like hearing it as a drug :nervous: )
Tobacco, drug or not, is deadlier than some illigal drugs. Because it is legal, people just go around puffing it in peoples faces because no one can stop them (unless theyre underage). If they hang around long enough they can damage your lungs, get you addicted etc. (thats only if there close family/freind, even then it's hard to do that) On top of that, people tend to not think of it as that bad compared to some stuff because it's legal (even with all that propaganda in textbooks).
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:lol: Ok, Alcohol is a drug except when thesizzler is drinking it :D
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acttually, the only time I drink it was on New Years Eve. I had about a third of an ounce of wine.
Anyway, (truthfully, I just don't like hearing it as a drug :nervous: )
Iv'e heard this called "drugs and alcohol" so many times in commircials, textbooks, radio, etc, that I got the Idea that it wasn't a drug.
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Well, I guess the best explanation I can give for that is, oddly enough, Tobacco. Look at how long the Tobacco companies subtly manipulated the industry for a long time, to the point where it was actually considered upwardly mobile to smoke. Much the same thing goes on in the Alcohol Industry, they put pressure to be slightly seperated from other drugs, strictly speaking, it IS a drug, but corporate pressure is a powerful thing.
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For a while, I have favoured 8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide. It's good stuff.
It's also known as capsaicin, and it can be found in fruits of genus Capsicum, to variable extents.
It doesn't affect the central nervous system directly in any way, but when you eat it, it invokes an interesting reaction in nervous receptors of mouth membranes. The central nervous system interprets the results of this reaction as pain and start releasing variable amounts of endorphines, which are very powerful opioids and affect the brain in much the same way as, say, morphine. The only difference is that as the endorphenes are a natural part of central nervous system (opposed to other opiates), one can't even in theory develop physical dependance on it.
Other interesting thing I like quite a lot is sleeping. Learn some lucid dreaming techniques and practice them; I've had some pretty wild experiences... some of them might be clssified as "trips".
About all things that go directly to central nervous system I'm more than a bit distrustful. I tend to think that I'm messed up enough most of the time anyway, I don't actually need any chemical boost on it. I mean, what could I possibly achieve by trying some stuff? Best-case scenario - I have some nice time feeling good, big deal. Worst-case scenario - I get some life-lasting side effects (iven though they would be rare, I wouldn't want to risk such things), get convicted of usage of narcotics (or whatever "huumausaineiden käyttörikkomus" is in English), perhaps develop physical/psychological dependance of the mentioned stuff, or perhaps die.
After careful risk-analysis I conclude that I don't really want to try any narcotics.
And yes, I apply same logic to alcohol, which I sometimes drink to small extents, but have never been really drunk. By observation of fellow students I have concluded that I don't want to get drunk, as there is a very high probability of some incomprehensive actions (and their unpleasant consequenses, whatever they are). :p
I don't even like the taste of alcoholic beverages (generally).
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about lucid dreaming... how to make yourself start dreaming like that?
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The first step is usually just to make a conscious effort to remember everything when you dream and write it down. After a while of deliberately storing your dreams in your memory, you'll find you can control certain aspects of dreams when you have them :)
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thanks :)
i've read a bit about it on wikipedia too, i might try it...
also, one other thing puzzled me a bit... there's the paralysis that can happen if your brain doesnt release all the sleep mechanisms, and you wake up but cant move... i have something similar quite often, or is it the exact opposite? anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...
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thanks :)
i've read a bit about it on wikipedia too, i might try it...
also, one other thing puzzled me a bit... there's the paralysis that can happen if your brain doesnt release all the sleep mechanisms, and you wake up but cant move... i have something similar quite often, or is it the exact opposite? anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...
Your in the REM sleep stage, it's totally normal.
During REM sleep your body is essentially paralyzed, and your eyes twitch rapidly, at this point you are actually dreaming.
Dreams can feel totally realistic, I know I've had "falling" dreams before and I wake up as soon as I hit the ground.
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Then there's the king of Lucid Dreaming, falling directly into conscious sleep.
Some people never can do this (I haven't yet), but the idea is to wake up during a REM-stage of the sleep cycle, keep awake for some time and then get onto sleep again. In theory, this is the easiest way to keep oneself conscious while falling into sleep.
Also, I've heard that when it ucceeds, it can be really startling or scary. Some have reported hearing a loud noise when the state of the mind changes from awake into asleep... and some have not actually believed that they are asleep, as the surroundings in the room looked just the same as in the room...
Reality checks are also a good way to help one realize when one sleeps. The first aspect of lucid is realizing that you are asleep. Reality checks help... for example, if you close your mouth and nostrils but you can still breathe, you are most likely asleep. Also, if you glance at a paper, it might appear incomprehensible gibberish. Or the text might be something at first glance, then chance into something else. Also, take a look at the clock; if it shows completely illogical times, you are asleep. Other reality checks are, for example, just pressing the light switch and consciously thinking "hmm, I wonder what will happen when I press that switch?" If you think that it'll turn the lights on/off, it'll probably do just that in a dream... however, if you don't know what it does, anything can happen. If this happens, you know for pretty sure that you are dreaming.
Also, trying to deliberately and strongly push one's hand through a solid wall now and then is a good reality check. If the hand meets an object, it's most likely real world, if it goes through it's dream.
There is a very good lucid dreaming instructions page, but it's in Finnish so linking it here would be close to useless. These directions are from there, and they have worked... sometimes. I have yet to master the skill of Lucid dreaming, I don't have lucids even every month to tell the truth. But when it happens... it's really cool and stuff. :nod:
Some people learn it by themselves, some never master it... but most people have lucid dream(s) multiple times during their life. MAny people just wake up after realizing they are asleep.
Oh, and about this:
anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...
Sounds familiar. You think of something, your body relaxes, and suddenly you hear a loud "wham" or something like that, something like an electric shock goes through you and you're awake again?
It's speculated that this is caused by a remaining primitive reflex from reptile era. It's hypothized that this primitive part of brain is usually mostly inhibited by higher brain functions, but when you get asleep, the higher brain functions get "separated" from other parts of brain, releasing that part to do things, if triggered. It's also hypothized that this primitive part of the brain interprets the relaxation before sleep as a free-fall situation and reacts by sending "twitch" signal to body as a desperate attempt to catch something. But this, of course, is just a hypothized possibility, it's not even a theory yet.
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For a while, I have favoured 8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide. It's good stuff.
Chilli Peppers ? It's interpreted in the mouth as pain because it IS pain. Ouch. I could stab myself to provoke morphine alkaloid release too but I think i'll stick to my herbs !
If you want to have interesting experiences of separating parts of your brain from one another and seeing yourself in a different way, LSD is very much like a lucid dream. You'll see stuff and think stuff that doesn't exist. One time i figured out the meaning to life. It came to me during the LSD experience and I knew at once it was extremely important and had to be written down. I wrote down as much as I could. Next day, when I had returned to sobriety, there it was.... gibberesh, utterly incomprehensible nonsense. It was quite amusing :nod:
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Can you post it?
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Oh yes please! This I must see! :lol:
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Let's see....my list
Alchohol. Lots of alchohol.
Marijuna.
Cocaine.
LSD.
Ecstacy.
Angel dust.
Hashish.
All in my younger days though. My gf would have my ass on the street with broken bones if I touched anything harder then alchohol anymore, and adult responsibilities kind of make that stuff impossible anyway.
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I've tried ecstasy, though only once, and it was, I'll freely admit, a great feeling, but for some reason, I never took it again, the opportunity never presented itself, and I didn't really feel the need to go look for it. Mostly, when I was younger, it was Marijuana, and some Cocaine, though not, I stress, Crack.
Pretty much the same story as you, I grew up, I moved on.
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So far all I've tried is alcohol, which I very quickly learned to not abuse after the first time I consumed it. (I got completely hammered after several mixed drinks... vodka and fruitjuice). So now, if I decide to drink, I will always limit the intake and be sure to NOT DRINK ON AN EMPTY STOMACH.
I've also been in the same room (a small room without any good air-flow, mind you) as three guys who were smoking marijuana, and I think I got a slight high off of that. Nothing real exciting though, and I don't have any desire to try that stuff.
The only thing I'd even consider trying are mushrooms or LSD (in a controlled situation).
On the lucid dreaming subject, I used to have recurring lucid dreams where I could fly. Those were absolutely awesome. I just wish I could have them again. Might need to try giving some of those techniques a try. :)
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If you've never taken a drug, you really are not qualified to say anything about how bad it is, becasue there is a lot of propaganda out there and not all of it is true.
That's logically unsound. A doctor does not need to catch a disease to diagnosis it. That said, heavy painkillers and (briefly) proscribed amphetamines, so it's all been legal, nyah. :p Judging from my experience with the painkillers it's not something I'd find fun.
I know what most of the stuff looks like (that constantly surprises people) because when I was five or so I made a friend whose father was a Postal Inspector (the US Mail has their own little squad of people to deal with crimes involving the mail), and I used to visit their lab in Maryland every once in awhile. We ribbed him about the Unabomber.
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If you've never taken a drug, you really are not qualified to say anything about how bad it is, becasue there is a lot of propaganda out there and not all of it is true.
That's logically unsound. A doctor does not need to catch a disease to diagnosis it.
Good point, but I should say this : The drug education I recieved from the government growing up was wildly inaccurate and wrong. They are just now carrying out serious studies on psychadelic drugs 50 years after they were isolated and discovered. There has been a lot of documented hysteria involving marijuana since 1930. Even now they overstate how bad it is for you. If there was this much propaganda and lies surrounding normal medicine, I would not trust the words of my doctor. Acutally, I dont' sometimes anyway because alot of doctors are responsible for prescribing ritalin (amphetamines) to children and also paxil and zoloft and even opiates to people knowing full well the negative effects of these powerful mind altering (but legal ?) drugs.
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Except for communion wine every other Sunday, I've never taken drugs, nor can I afford to take them without risking losing my job (http://airforce.com/careers/job.php?catg_id=2&sub_catg_id=3&af_job_id=312) that I'm only about a year away from starting.
Drugs just simply sounds a little too... edgy. I'm sure a lot of the people here who've had drugs before have better control over it, but I've got a typically volatile personality in the first place, and I don't really need any of that amplified by anything.
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Except for communion wine every other Sunday
Actual wine?
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Except for communion wine every other Sunday
Actual wine?
Well, it's definitely not just sparkling grape juice. :D
I'm very sure it's wine, as I've seen the bottle that it comes from on numerous occassions.
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If you've never taken a drug, you really are not qualified to say anything about how bad it is, becasue there is a lot of propaganda out there and not all of it is true.
What, you mean in the same way a chemist isn't qualified to tell you about the side-effects of a prescription, or that a mechanic can't fix a problem if they don't own the exact same car and have not had the exact same problem?
I've not had my leg chopped off, but I think I can make an educated guess as to how good it is or is not.
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also, one other thing puzzled me a bit... there's the paralysis that can happen if your brain doesnt release all the sleep mechanisms, and you wake up but cant move...
Yes, that thing called 'sleep paralysis'. A quite from from wikipedia:
Physiologically, it is closely related to the normal paralysis that occurs during REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, also known as REM atonia. Sleep paralysis occurs when the brain is awakened from an REM state into essentially a normal fully awake state, but the bodily paralysis is still occurring. This causes the person to be fully aware, but unable to move. In addition, this state may be accompanied by hypnagogic hallucinations"
i have something similar quite often, or is it the exact opposite? anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...
That sounds more like the opposite to me. AFAIK in the sleep paralysis state it is almost impossible to move your body (except for the eyeballs :) ).
And according to the reports I've seen, the hallucinations are often quite... bad, to say the least. On the positive note, if one has the tendency to experience sleep paralysis, with some practice (mind control, to overcome the fear caused by hallucinations), its supposed to provide a good entry point in to the lucid dreaming state.
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I've had dreams where I've had some sort of 'impact' - even something relatively innocuous like playing footie and getting knocked down - and just jolted (physically jolted, i.e. jerked my body) awake as if I had felt exactly that. It's freaky-deaky.
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Then there's the king of Lucid Dreaming, falling directly into conscious sleep.
I think i've done that once or twice... I mean, i've woken up some time during the night, and as i've consciously falled asleep, i've slowly entered a dream, and bent the content to my will; y'know, place, how many women, etc. But if I remember correctly, I lost control of that dream after a short while as I slowly forgot I was actually dreaming...
Still, very cool...
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thanks :)
i've read a bit about it on wikipedia too, i might try it...
also, one other thing puzzled me a bit... there's the paralysis that can happen if your brain doesnt release all the sleep mechanisms, and you wake up but cant move... i have something similar quite often, or is it the exact opposite? anyways, sometimes when i go to sleep, i dream of say running, and i'm probably in a half-sleep half-awake state, and suddenly i come to a stop and my whole body twitches and i usually hit something hard... what would be the name of that occurence? just wondering...
Your in the REM sleep stage, it's totally normal.
During REM sleep your body is essentially paralyzed, and your eyes twitch rapidly, at this point you are actually dreaming.
Dreams can feel totally realistic, I know I've had "falling" dreams before and I wake up as soon as I hit the ground.
thats waaaay before the rem stage, that usually happens 5-10 minutes after i fall asleep, i simply jolt and regularly hit something *grumble*
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I would guess there's a point between full on REM sleep where your subconscious is active but your physical 'suppressants' haven't kicked in yet, perhaps a bit like sleepwalking/parasomnia.
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I had lucid dreams in the past, it was a technique that professed to allowing you to have out of body experiences. All you have to do is make sure every part of your body is relaxed, I mean you consciously relax every toe, foot, ankle, shin, thigh etc all the way up your body to your head, including your eyelids (make sure your not squinting, or shutting them too tightly) then count to 10 and then back to 1, then count to 9 and back down to 1, then to 8 and back down to 1 etc. counting slower each time and concentrate on your breathing and continue until you realise you are no longer conscious of your body i.e. can no longer feel it! you will slowly drift of to sleep yet are aware you're falling to sleep. You can then try to turn the dream to your will. It's a form of self hypnosis (Auto-hypnosis), you can even give yourself a few hypnotic suggestions, i.e. to give up smoking!
Anyway my list:-
Alcohol - bad, very bad but I like to get hammered once in a while
Pot/Hashish/Marijuana whatever you wish to call it - When I was a student, every w/end, less regularly now
Amphetamines/speed - used rarely in the past during my student days
LSD/Trips - on the odd occassion, when I couldn't get hold of any Pot.
Tobacco - every day for 17 years (apart from 3 weeks in hospital)
A lot of the bad press some drugs get is they say, cannabis leads to other harder drugs. This is only because someone who is likely to break the law to sell Cannabis is also likely to sell so called harder drugs, if they have no Cannabis when you call, they are likely to offer you something else that they have in stock, something that could be more addictive. Same happened to me a couple of times anyway. I had the good sense to refuse but some of my associates weren't so discernng. Last time a saw them they were living on the streets hooked on heroin. Very sad.
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This is possibly interesting, as an aside; http://www.tfy.drugsense.org/tfy/addictvn.htm
* Dr. Jack E. Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California at San Francisco ranked six substances based on five problem areas. Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.
* Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.
* Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.
* Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.
* Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and socIal damage a substance may do.
1 = Most serious 6 = Least serious
HENNINGFIELD RATINGS
Substance Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
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Nicotine 3 4 2 1 5
Heroin 2 2 1 2 2
Cocaine 4 1 4 3 3
Alcohol 1 3 3 4 1
Caffeine 5 6 5 5 6
Marijuana 6 5 6 6 4
BENOWITZ RATINGS
Substance Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine 3* 4 4 1 6
Heroin 2 2 2 2 2
Cocaine 3* 1 1 3 3
Alcohol 1 3 4 4 1
Caffeine 4 5 3 5 5
Marijuana 5 6 5 6 4
*equal ratings
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This is possibly interesting, as an aside; http://www.tfy.drugsense.org/tfy/addictvn.htm
* Dr. Jack E. Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California at San Francisco ranked six substances based on five problem areas. Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.
* Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.
* Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.
* Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.
* Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and socIal damage a substance may do.
1 = Most serious 6 = Least serious
HENNINGFIELD RATINGS
Substance Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine 3 4 2 1 5
Heroin 2 2 1 2 2
Cocaine 4 1 4 3 3
Alcohol 1 3 3 4 1
Caffeine 5 6 5 5 6
Marijuana 6 5 6 6 4
BENOWITZ RATINGS
Substance Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine 3* 4 4 1 6
Heroin 2 2 2 2 2
Cocaine 3* 1 1 3 3
Alcohol 1 3 4 4 1
Caffeine 4 5 3 5 5
Marijuana 5 6 5 6 4
*equal ratings
Of course CAFFEINE! My second most favourite drug. I'm useless in the morning without my cigarette and coffee!
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So... if I was addicted to coffee at uni, does that mean I did drugs during my uni days? Awesome!
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So... if I was addicted to coffee at uni, does that mean I did drugs during my uni days? Awesome!
Yeah you druggie! :D Welcome to the rank and file! :drevil:
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Well... THere has been numerous tests in which spiders were sprayed with different psychotropic substances.
(http://cannabis.net/drug-webs.jpg)
More pictures... spider on LSD:
(http://cannabis.net/spidlsd.jpg)
Spider on mescaline:
(http://cannabis.net/spidmesc.jpg)
Spider on tetrahydrocannabinol:
(http://cannabis.net/spihash.jpg)
and finally... spider on caffeine. :eek2:
(http://cannabis.net/spicaf.jpg)
Didn't found a picture about the effects of ethane alcohol... it'd probably kill the poor spiders, though.
And about chili: I don't find it painful! It's just a strong sensation. And, as opposed to actual pain, capsaicin doesn't inflict real damage; as it wears away, i's gone. Except that the endorphines stay, for a while. A good dose of chili gives me good feeing for the whole day, and... actually I have to say that I like the burn. So I could say I'm mildly psychologically addicted to chili.
It only comes painful if you don't wash your hands properly after cutting chili, and then you happen to scratch your eye... I tell you, it's a memorable feeling and if you are ever threatened with pepper spray... don't do anything stupid.
By the way, chocolate is another good stuff to alter your brain's chemical balance a bit. Eating chocolate (or cocoa, actually) causes the brain to have a boost on serotonine levels. Incidentally, the effects of MDMA (Methylenedioxymethamphetamine) are mostly caused by the serotonin flood it causes, so in a way, chocolate causes much the same thing.
Interesting, eh? I think so too... :nod:
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That stuff about the spiders is cool! :D
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I thought the spider-on-marijuana would just be sitting by the side of the web smoking a spliff and going 'eh man, ah'll get it later, yeah?'
(mind you, you'd expect a good web; it'd get the munchies otherwise)
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Well... THere has been numerous tests in which spiders were sprayed with different psychotropic substances.............
Nice to see your tax dollars going to fund studies to tell us things we already know........
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Oh, I don't know, a lot less people would have a problem with experiments on Spider chemistry to find out the receptors with a mind for using them as toxicity sensors. Still cruelty to animals, but they aren't fluffy, so you won't get animal rights protestors stealing your dead mothers' body or anything.
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ZOMG, where to start with this question.....
Right on the subject of my council estate social history :)
Smoked since 15, I worked 8 months as bar manager so booze is A1 soopah, In my youth i popped e's used speed and cocaine.
Still dabble now depending on the venue.
And of course smoked the green..........
LSD and shrooms are WAAAY bad......... leave well alone i heartily discourage their use.
Post scripte: Smack skag and Heroin are idiots choices. dont even think about considering touching them. (theyre too more'ish)
Spiders is akin to licking frogs, if you can stomach it, go for it :D
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Stoned Spiders!
Me and a few friends once got a fly stoned. We all sat watching the fly buzz around the light bulb and all blew our smoke in it's direction. After half an hour the fly slowly spralled down to the ground and sat there for an hour not moving. We were fascinated! :lol:
So, I think we have found Spidermans Kryptonite! ;7
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Stoned Spiders!
A sequel series to Hangover Mutant Flies (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,34544.msg715231.html#msg715231), maybe? :D
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On the other hand, Stoned Spider, Hangover Mutant Fly sounds like a sequel to a certain well-known oriental movie from couple years ago... :lol:
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Gives a whole new depth to the Drunken Master technique ;)
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i smoked crack once. it made me feel like god for aout an hour and a half. after that i decided not to do it again. only other drug ive used is marijuana, and quite abit of it i might add. when i worked at the pawn shop me my boss and coworkers would roll a blunt, go out to the car and clam bake. wed do this like 3 or 4 times a day. the shop owner didnt care and on occasion hed buy weed off of us. i think he perfered harder drugs. he owned at least 3 different hummers so im sure he could afford an occasional coke party. i havent smoked weed or done anything at all in the past 3 years, save booze. i could though, juneau is the most weed saturated place ive ever lived. everyones a stoner that includes the chief of police. a local judge overturned a state law that would have made it an arrestable offence to have less than an ounce of weed in your posetion. now if you have anything less than an ounce they cant even confinscate it unless they catch you smoking it.
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http://www.joecartoon.com/pages/stoneflies_anim
You know this thread was going there.
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I feel the need to dig up that HudsonD quote while you all are dicussing crazy illegal ****. :p
"You guys are a bunch of pill-poppin hippies. You free-luvin, weed-smoking freaks had better hope you don't find yourself on the wrong side of a wacked out Advil-trip. Take it from me, I used to snort Ibuprofen at Studio 54. I once OD'ed in the men's room mainlining Bayer aspirin and sucrets. Baaah!! you kids never learn - with your piercings, tattoos, hip-hop and analgesics. Learn your own lessons with your face plopped over in your chicken soup and your maniacal grandmother screaming at you to "feed a cold! starve a fever!!"
"Wow. Sorry. I just had a Mentos flasback."-HudsonD, DSC
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eeeeeh? wtf is that*
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Ahhh man, when i view te source i cant find a direct link to the SWf file, has anyone got it so i can watch it offline?
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eeeeeh? wtf is that*
Making a point.