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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rictor on July 15, 2006, 11:05:23 pm
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http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/15/russia.g8/index.html
Russian President Vladimir Putin has rejected a suggestion from U.S. President George W. Bush that his country should emulate democracy in Iraq.
During a joint news conference Saturday in St. Petersburg, Bush said he raised concerns about democracy in Russia during a frank discussion with the Russian leader.
"I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq where there's a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same," Bush said.
To that, Putin replied, "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly."
Bwahaha! Check out the video here (http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/putinbush.320.240.mov). I guess it's a sign of trouble when reporters start laughing at your head of state during a press conference.
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Buuuuuuuurned.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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This was the best April Fools day joke ever.......
Wait a second, it isn't April Fools :nervous:
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Serves him right really. :lol:
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:lol:
You've got to give what little credit there is for that democracy in Iraq though. As for Russia there just going down hill...
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Hey, Russia has WMDs.
When do the tanks go in ?
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:lol:
You've got to give what little credit there is for that democracy in Iraq though. As for Russia there just going down hill...
What democracy?
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my mistake
Iraq where there's a free press and free religion
I thought that this would be the start to a democracy(freedom part), I was obviously confused at the time of posting. I'm sure that democracy is much, much more than that :nod:
Roanoke whats WMDs?
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Z0MG, Now bush is starting on countries that AREN'T being oppressed lmao..........
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my mistake
Iraq where there's a free press and free religion
I thought that this would be the start to a democracy(freedom part), I was obviously confused at the time of posting. I'm sure that democracy is much, much more than that :nod:
Roanoke whats WMDs?
WMDs are Weapons of Mass Destruction!
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my mistake
Iraq where there's a free press and free religion
I thought that this would be the start to a democracy(freedom part), I was obviously confused at the time of posting. I'm sure that democracy is much, much more than that :nod:
Roanoke whats WMDs?
Well, being able to vote without a) being blown up by a stray US bomb, b) splattered by a suicide bomb or c) shot by a Shia (aka Al-Sadr Militia) militiaman given free-reign over the voting district by the Iraqi police and US forces would be a good start.
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And the embarrassments to Bush just keep on rolling.
Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm)he forgot to take off his mike during a G8 meeting, broadcasting a rather undiplomatic conversation.
Okay, just go here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/) and the link is on the right halfway down the page. Quite humerous, really.
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:lol:
You've got to give what little credit there is for that democracy in Iraq though. As for Russia there just going down hill...
Could you elaborate that arguement?
For all I see Russia is coming up. When Putin came to power he did some major changes toward a more democratic state that no one expected.
Still don't fool yourself calling Russia a proper democracy, it's still an authoritan regime, however right now the tyrant is aprooved by the majority of the people. He cut down a lot of upstart "business men" who tried to turn the country into their own private fiefdom or sell it out for cheap dollars.
Granted, he did it by getting all power to himself, but most russians prefer the somewhat bribable and corrrupt state to the very corrupt and downright nasty maffia types that popped up in the 90'.
Furthermore the Russian millitary is once again starting to pull itself together. Unlike the USA, Russia has managed to practically win its own urbanwar/nightmare (Checniya) which did a lot to that end IMHO.
When you look to the core of it, the whole "freedom/democracy" arguement against Russia is nothing more than a political smokescreen to legitimize intervention in Russian internal and foreign affairs, like dropping Green Berets into Georgia which also happens to be the ideal site for an oil duct to siphon of the oil in Kazakstan.
Calling Putin a just or democratic leader of a free nation is the exegaration of the century.
However denying him the right to defend his country, to proclaim that he has no whatsoever right to prevent America from raping and expoiting the whole region is even more a villany than whatever this ex-KGB-operative-now-president may have ever (either justifiable or not in your book) commited for his country.
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I think the British should take control of said oil... as a neutral party...
:nervous:
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Seconded!
Best option all round i think..... : :nervous:
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And the embarrassments to Bush just keep on rolling. Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm)he forgot to take off his mike during a G8 meeting, broadcasting a rather undiplomatic conversation.
Okay, just go here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/) and the link is on the right halfway down the page. Quite humerous, really.
:lol:
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Irony is that it's probably the first time I've ever agreed with Bush. :D Getting Syria back in is probably the best of a long list of bad solutions at the moment.
Even the Lebonese would probably prefer having the Syrian army in their country than the Israeli one.
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I reckon Bush causes more problems than it resolves........
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like dropping Green Berets into Georgia which also happens to be the ideal site for an oil duct to siphon of the oil in Kazakstan.
oh yeah, about the Kazakh oil (http://www.harpers.org/sb-a-corrupt-brutal-dictator-1152915051.html)...
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:lol:
You've got to give what little credit there is for that democracy in Iraq though. As for Russia there just going down hill...
Could you elaborate that arguement?
I wouldn't say Russia overall is going down hill a lot, probably the same as some countries dealing with similar problems, but I would think they're standing still politically. Improvements to situations within their country are extremely slow to initiate. In the past such occurrences as rebel attacks have been major headlines on the news, and even though the situation in Iraq looks grim I would hope that what news I do watch shows the little amount of progress they are trying to achieve with their current issues. Anyway reading your post Flaser tells me you know more than me about Politics.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/15/russia.g8/index.html
Russian President Vladimir Putin has rejected a suggestion from U.S. President George W. Bush that his country should emulate democracy in Iraq.
During a joint news conference Saturday in St. Petersburg, Bush said he raised concerns about democracy in Russia during a frank discussion with the Russian leader.
"I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq where there's a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same," Bush said.
To that, Putin replied, "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly."
Bwahaha! Check out the video here (http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/putinbush.320.240.mov). I guess it's a sign of trouble when reporters start laughing at your head of state during a press conference.
ZING!!!!!
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Wasn't Iraq the country that the guy was sentenced to death for not believing in Islam? Or am I getting my Middle East Countries mixed again...
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If I recall correctly, that was blown way out of proportion.
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Wasn't Iraq the country that the guy was sentenced to death for not believing in Islam? Or am I getting my Middle East Countries mixed again...
I believe it was the similarly, er, 'liberated' Afghanistan. From what I remember, it was for converting from Islam, the Afghan parliament eventually granted some sort of highly unpopular clemency, and Italy offered the poor sod asylum and thus pulled his arse from the fire.