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Title: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 27, 2006, 05:36:17 am
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14051364/

Stupid Bush, Stupid Congress, Stupid Homeland Security, Stupid Dishonest Contractors
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: aldo_14 on July 27, 2006, 05:36:55 am
Don't forget the stupid war and global destabilisation!
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 27, 2006, 05:49:48 am
The world was already destabilized and all wars are inherently stupid.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Mefustae on July 27, 2006, 05:52:45 am
I'd be lying if I said I found this development in any way surprising.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Rictor on July 27, 2006, 09:17:59 am
Defense contractors? Corruption? That's unpossible! The entire military/security industry is little more than a way for corrupt public officials to transfer large amounts of money from the public purse to their buddies in the defense industry. Despite being the most powerful military on Earth, America is still getting like ten times less than it paid for. If Russia had a 500bn/year  military spending, they would have conquered the world long ago and would be on their way to Mars by now.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 27, 2006, 10:40:18 am
That's unpossible!

Yes quite,

Corruption is part of everyday life. Its just the way the world works, Think of forums as microcosms of life, (not this one for the following examples but you will see what i mean) There is inherent hate in some people that will just stem forth and present itself at hapless individuals. In the same place people will happily potter about unknowing of things going on two feet from the (board space-tiime) People just need to dabble in crime now and then, its our nature (as a species not individual)..
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Flipside on July 27, 2006, 11:16:13 am
Dumb enough to do it, smart enough to know it's wrong.

Oh, what a piece of work is man.....
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: karajorma on July 27, 2006, 11:21:47 am
Defense contractors? Corruption? That's unpossible! The entire military/security industry is little more than a way for corrupt public officials to transfer large amounts of money from the public purse to their buddies in the defense industry. Despite being the most powerful military on Earth, America is still getting like ten times less than it paid for. If Russia had a 500bn/year  military spending, they would have conquered the world long ago and would be on their way to Mars by now.

Well then. We should be really happy that the Americans are a corrupt bunch then. It's not our money going down the drain after all :)
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 27, 2006, 11:30:32 am
The thing about homeland security is the fact that is was hastily put together. That and the fact that contract specialists and officers and are becoming more and more rare these days. It will get worse when the babyboomers retire. The US Gov't just doesn't have enough to be any way effective. This is how messes like this develop.

In regaurds to Russia. If they had that much money they would either, loose it like nuclear weapons, or corrupt party officials would take their share.

Also, don't equate HLS and the Defense Department.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Mefustae on July 27, 2006, 11:39:02 am
In regaurds to Russia. If they had that much money they would either, loose it like nuclear weapons...
Jeez, misplace a few small nuclear weapons and it haunts you for life.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: brozozo on July 27, 2006, 01:19:40 pm
You know, the Department of Homeland Security sounds like some contraption from a George Orwell novel. Thank goodness they can't get their **** together.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 27, 2006, 01:57:32 pm
I am not part of the DHS...or do you mean you[as in personalization]
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: brozozo on July 27, 2006, 03:03:30 pm
Wow, I completely forgot to type a word. I'll go back and fix that.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Harbinger of DOOM on July 27, 2006, 03:24:41 pm
Bush's legacy..........
The longest stream of bull**** ever recorded.
Period.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Ulala on July 27, 2006, 05:04:59 pm
Makes you wonder how things would've gone without 9/11..
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 27, 2006, 05:45:28 pm
We would be less in debt for starters.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Bobboau on July 27, 2006, 09:26:48 pm
IIRC, red, you were always more on the conservitive side of the bench, weren't you?
(note this is not to be construde as and implication of you being a 'coolaid drinker' or anything other than clarification on your general political position)
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 27, 2006, 11:29:42 pm
I WAS, and my thoughts in some regaurds are still considered "conservative" by others. But I am actually libertarian, which is odd, since I work for the DoD. I try to recogncile this by being the best civil servant I can. But there were a number of issues that have really challenged my thinking and forced me to abandon my allegence to the republican party. Things like throwing up barriers to trade while demanding that everyone else not do so has really made me angry. I do not favor trying to protect US Companies as such. I also have renounced my membership publically here on the boards. I didn't even vote for a presidential canidate in 2004. Now, just because I don't vote republican doesn't mean I am going to vote democrat either, but had I the opportunity when I was younger I would have voted for Mike O'Pake, state legislator, from Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Mars on July 28, 2006, 12:23:54 am
Picks up a piece of sky from the ground and glares at Bush.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: aldo_14 on July 28, 2006, 02:52:27 am
I WAS, and my thoughts in some regaurds are still considered "conservative" by others. But I am actually libertarian, which is odd, since I work for the DoD. I try to recogncile this by being the best civil servant I can. But there were a number of issues that have really challenged my thinking and forced me to abandon my allegence to the republican party. Things like throwing up barriers to trade while demanding that everyone else not do so has really made me angry. I do not favor trying to protect US Companies as such. I also have renounced my membership publically here on the boards. I didn't even vote for a presidential canidate in 2004. Now, just because I don't vote republican doesn't mean I am going to vote democrat either, but had I the opportunity when I was younger I would have voted for Mike O'Pake, state legislator, from Pennsylvania.

I think if you (were to) ever get to the stage of defining political philosophies by party rather than party by political philosophy, you're screwed anyways.  After all, what would Labour make socialism be, then?
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 28, 2006, 02:55:49 am
Basically, my underlying philosophy is similiar to the libertarians. But I don't always agree with them.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 30, 2006, 04:38:33 am
And it gets worse
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/world/middleeast/30reconstruct.html?ei=5065&en=d3a3895d0d6aaf78&ex=1154836800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Harbinger of DOOM on July 30, 2006, 05:08:00 am
OMG!
How the hell did we even let that stupid son of a ***** even get a glimpse of the oval office?!
People are so retarded sometimes...............
GRRRR
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Turambar on July 30, 2006, 10:52:17 pm
Basically, my underlying philosophy is similiar to the libertarians. But I don't always agree with them.

i just dont like libertarians because all of the libertarians that i know personally have annoying voices, large noses, and are reciculous know-it-alls. 

democrats will bring lots of government workers, lots of low level jobs, and lots of low level corruption, which eventually will make its way back into the economy.

republicans will cut everything out and have high level corruption, where very few people get a crapload of money, and the money just kind of sits there.


i think thats how america works.  im not sure.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 31, 2006, 09:46:45 am
IIRC, red, you were always more on the conservitive side of the bench, weren't you?

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating; the Republican Party is no longer conservative in any meaningful sense of the words. So there are a lot of us out here who are conservative and no longer Republican.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: Bobboau on July 31, 2006, 06:56:02 pm
I just wanted to make sure before I pointed out how Bush has now lost signifigantly amung even the people who are suposed to be his power base.
Title: Re: Bush's Legacy
Post by: redmenace on July 31, 2006, 08:57:49 pm
well yes, he has.