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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Aardwolf on August 07, 2006, 03:45:53 am
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First let me state that everything in my posts in this topic is IMO, and it will be quite difficult (and pointless) to try to convince me that I am wrong on one of these issues.
I personally must say the Taurvi does not look at all Shivan, other than that it is red, and the Aeshma is like the "stereotypical" Shivan fighter. While the Aeshma is a sort-of cool ship, it's too similar in appearance to other Shivan ships for me to really like. Why are the Lilith and Cain exactly the same model they should at least have like one polygon slightly different texture or maybe an extra spike or something cool like that!
The Ptah is cool, but its texturing is somewhat off. Bes should be in the retail campaign it is awesome. Mentu looks stupid, and its design makes the front higher than the back. They need more destroyers and a better cruiser. Also sentry guns. Don't give me that "leave this aspect to the Terrans" nonsense, just come up with something better than the Edjo, you stupid Icthyophiles! Actually, no. Vasudans are cool. Forget I said that. (Thinks briefly of Mel Gibson)
As for Terran ships: Erinyes = ugly vomit bag vomit vomit phlegm puke dirty diapers ship, Herc 2 is boring, Ares needs retexturing, Why are the Fenris and Leviathan exactly the same model they should at least have like one polygon slightly different texture or maybe an extra spike or something cool like that!
And why don't we ever get to find out what the Ancient's looked like? I want more Ancient artifacts than one lousy Knossos. (Or three, for that matter.) Something like the Shivan Comm. Node but Ancient would be awesome.
Edit: and a lot of non-canon ships are lame and derivative.
It's late. I'm cranky. My 2D FS2 game isn't coming very smoothly. Gimme tokens!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Errr.... Token?
Anyway, I hated the Taurvi until I looked at the animated glowmaps. The dots... they move :eek:
Oh, and the Lilith/Cain and Leviathan/Fenris are :V: being lazy. BUT the Ares ist der fuhrer. Erinyes is one of those things you use to pick hairs off your feet. Ptah does't have animated glowmaps so it should burn in hell (if it did, it should be bathed in paradise). The Aeshma is s**t. Really. The Basilisk is FAR better than that... that thing. FS1 = Shivan, FS2 = Bugs. And the Mentu sucks get over it.
Oh, BTW your 2D game looks nice.
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Erinyes and Ares are both ment to look experimental/strange/different, which they do quite well. No one uses the Ares anyway, the erinyes rocks too bad with its 8 guns. ;)
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wow after 5 years weve still got nub threads like this
all the awacssss were ugly
ravana is a sterotypical shivan ship
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How dare you!!! Saying the Erinyes is better than the Ares is like saying the Herc is better than the Herc 2 just because it has two more primary hardpoints. :mad2:
Anyway, I used the Erinyes for only two missions: Clash of the Titans II and Apocalypse (a.k.a. Incoming Transmission), as it had a much better speed and god-given primary weapons, but ran out of secondaries WAY to fast.
And the Lucifer is WHEY better than the Ravana (though it does look cool).
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Erinyes and Ares are both ment to look experimental/strange/different, which they do quite well. No one uses the Ares anyway, the erinyes rocks too bad with its 8 guns. ;)
I beg to differ - the Ares is my favourite ship to fly :) Plenty of armour with a massive payload to boot. A tad slow perhaps, but with some energy diverted there from shields/weapons it's not too bad :)
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Yush!
Erinyes and Ares are both ment to look experimental/strange/different, which they do quite well. No one uses the Ares anyway, the erinyes rocks too bad with its 8 guns. ;)
I beg to differ - the Ares is my favourite ship to fly :) Plenty of armour with a massive payload to boot. A tad slow perhaps, but with some energy diverted there from shields/weapons it's not too bad :)
I absolutely swear I agree with you. :nod: Ares fighters have a MUCH higher secondary ability, and much heavier armor. I loved flying the Ares and the Herc Mk.2
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Ugly? The Orion.
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Is that Raa?? Anyway, I think, that the Orion is one of the most Terran ships you can get. Blocky, compact, powerful (?). Symbol of Terran pride. :nod:
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Let's see...pretty much all of the Terran and Vasudan sentry guns (except the Mjolnir), Erinyes, Argo, Pharos (the FS1 nav looked better), TAC 3, Sekhmet, SC 2, SAC 3 (the high poly one looks much nicer), Aeshma and Mephisto (don't look Shivan).
And I also use the Ares over the Erinyes in most situations. The Erinyes is useful in Dunkerque for its speed, but in all the other 70th missions I would much rather have the extra armor and secondary capacity (more tempests) than the second quad primary bank.
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First let me state that everything in my posts in this topic is IMO, and it will be quite difficult (and pointless) to try to convince me that I am wrong on one of these issues.
So why did you even post this? If no one is supposed to disagree with you, what's the use of expressing your opinion.
Many of the things you listed could be fixed by switching to FSO with the mediaVPs, the Cain / Lilith and Fenris / Leviathan in particular
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I wasn't saying "don't respond," I was saying "don't try to convince me otherwise."
Geez.
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i do find it interesting, how a descriptivist comment like "i disagree with you", and a prescriptivist comment like "i will convince you", are sometimes assumed to be the same thing.
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i think most of the FS2 Terran ships are ugly as sin. As far as fighters go, i prefer the more conventionally 'boxy' FS designs.
i think the entire "Shivan ships as insects" idea is overdone in FS2. FS Shivans looked quite satisfyingly alien, whereas the sequel's craft seem vaguely too Earthlike (the first time i saw the Sathanas, i thought "honestly, it's just a bloody big tick").
i think the Vasudan ships are generally ugly, but i do appreciate how they at least appear extraterrestrial, for the most part.
Best ship: (in appearance) Hercules; (in performance) Ares
Worst ship: (in appearance) Erinyes or Moloch; (in performance) Artemis
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Is that Raa?? Anyway, I think, that the Orion is one of the most Terran ships you can get. Blocky, compact, powerful (?). Symbol of Terran pride. :nod:
Well, aside from propaganda for a Setekh render....... :rolleyes: :p Those are precisely the characteristics I find least attractive about it
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The Orion is from the "looks like a warship" school, which I consider to be good. Most Terran capital craft are.
I've been playing Derelict SCP...and I have to say that the more I look at it, the more the Lucifer annoys me. It doesn't look...Shivan enough, for some reason.
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Sorry :sigh: , today has been one disaster after another, and I'm in a bad mood :mad2:
Lucy is too round I think, to look entirely Shivan. Really though, I think the FS1 era ships at least, all look good, and since 3.6.8 or so, all of the ships (besides the Bes maybe) look really good, especially due to the moddlers.
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Is that Raa??
ahh!
I was wondering why I had never seen him before.
Anyway,
Orion = cool
Hecate = bad in HDR and nebulea
lucy = okay
demon = too chunky
perseus = okay
enrinyies = too long
aries = weird texture
herc 2 = meh
herc 1 = blocky
myrm = too curvy
bonergraze = meh
medusa = okay
deimos = cool
fenris/leviathan = strange
aeouls = cool
sobek = okay
hatshepsut = pregnant
ravana = meh
taruvi = funny
moloch = cool
cain/lilith = meh
astoroth = eww
mephisto = no
typhoon = which ways up?
mara = nice
ashema = meh
hygia = cool
nephtyis (zod support) = okay
mentu = bad
aten = bad
ursa = needs fixed texture
(IMO)
:nervous:
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The Abel-class cruiser in Inferno R1 looked really stupid. (No one said we had to stay limited to retail.)
What I hate are those animated glowmaps on some Lucifer models, in which the the dots "rotate". I'm sure you know what I mean. I like the look of the HTL Lucifer much better.
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Orion = cool
Hecate = bad in HDR and nebulea
lucy = okay
demon = too chunky
perseus = okay
enrinyies = too long
aries = weird texture
herc 2 = meh
herc 1 = blocky
myrm = too curvy
bonergraze = meh
medusa = okay
deimos = cool
fenris/leviathan = strange
aeouls = cool
sobek = okay
hatshepsut = pregnant
ravana = meh
taruvi = funny
moloch = cool
cain/lilith = meh
astoroth = eww
mephisto = no
typhoon = which ways up?
mara = nice
ashema = meh
hygia = cool
nephtyis (zod support) = okay
mentu = bad
aten = bad
ursa = needs fixed texture
(IMO)
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So the only ships in the game that you like are the Orion, Aeolus, Moloch and the Hygeia? :lol:
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He said the Mara was "nice", and several others were "okay".
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I vote we make a standardised rating system, not that 'nice', 'okay' & 'cool' aren't good, but it would help comprehension. :nervous:
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Five star rating system
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Ugly? The Orion.
The Orion is a beauty.
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wow after 5 years weve still got nub threads like this
all the awacssss were ugly
ravana is a sterotypical shivan ship
I guess because many of the n00bs here have not played FS2 for a long time and/or have not had a chance to voice their opinions on things like this. This thread if for n00bs, by n00bs. Let's just let them have their fun.
And I think the Collossus resembled a baseball bat/shotgun too much. :nervous:
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I propose a Zods out of Ten rating system.
Ie- The Argo 4 zods out of ten.
where as the ellysium gets 6 out of 10.
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I'd just like to add for the record I ****ing hate the term 'n00b' and variations thereof.
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:pimp: Agreed.......
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10=like more 0=like sucks
Orion = cool 9/10
Hecate = bad in HDR and nebulea 7/10
lucy = okay 8/10
demon = too chunky 6/10
perseus = okay 8/10
enrinyies = too long 8/10
aries = weird texture 6/10
herc 2 = meh 7/10
herc 1 = blocky 8/10
myrm = too curvy 7/10
bonergraze = meh 7/10
medusa = okay 8/10
deimos = cool 10/10
fenris/leviathan = strange 6/10
aeouls = cool 9/10
sobek = okay 8/10
hatshepsut = pregnant 8/10
ravana = meh 6/10
taruvi = funny 4/10
moloch = cool 9/10
cain/lilith = meh 6/10
astoroth = eww 5/10
mephisto = no 3/10
typhoon = which ways up? 6/10
mara = nice 9/10
ashema = meh 7/10
hygia = cool 9/10
nephtyis (zod support) = okay 8/10
mentu = bad 5/10
aten = bad 3/10
ursa = needs fixed texture 8/10
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The hi-poly Elysium gets at least a 7... it's the prettiest shoe box I've ever seen
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Hecate is one of the ugliest in my opinion-- worse by far than the Orion. Rating: 2 Zods. About the in-nebula thing: you can put a bridal dress on a pig, but it's still not going to be a fun honeymoon.
Edit: I find your spelling of Boanerges quite comical. And who's Raa?
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Taristin now, I think. Eithter that or Raa's position has been eusurped by him.
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Taristin, Goob changed it for him (though he didn't ask). I was really weirded out and confused by that. The Hecate reminded me of something from Robotech or something (those two beam cannons on the front look like something). And yeah, the Hecate looks very ugly. About one year ago I would have spelt Boanerges 'Bonenerjes'.
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Ares is my favorite fighter, come on whats better then blowing up shivans while flying a potato.
Hecate is ****ing ugly
Long live the orion
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Hecate is a beauty once you have the HTL version that is, and the Boanerges is know in some places as the "Boaner" even though it sucks.
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The Boanerges has "WTF?" written all over it for me. Pronounciation, shape of bomber, name....
I like the Hecate though. With reflective maps it really doesn't look half-bad.
Now the Ravana.... it looks cool, but I have to ask: what is with it's discombobulated shape? It looks twisted to the side, almost, if you look at it from behind (*cough* Bosch Monologue 4 *cough*)
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Actually, I like the Ravana. I love the way the tubes change color when you change the angle.
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I like the Ravana too, just saying it looks bizarre, even by Shivan standards.
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Taristan
Taristan
/me !
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Oh sorry, Tarista - Taristin. :nervous:
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*fumbles with edit button and keyboard
Uhh, what?
:)
I hate it when people misspell my handle.
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actualy the Hecate looks a lor meaner then it actualy is. it is a wonderfull looking ship toghether with the orion and the Hatsheepsuit!
But I must say nothing says terran pride and terran technological might better the the Orion. I mean that thing even after what 50 or so years still has the abilaty to eat distroyers for breakfast take a second course of corvettes and for desert some cruisers.
Also the Ravana looks rather ugly but beautiful because it is an alien ship which well inspires fear most of all.
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But I must say nothing says terran pride and terran technological might better the the Orion. I mean that thing even after what 50 or so years still has the abilaty to eat distroyers for breakfast take a second course of corvettes and for desert some cruisers.
Errr... No. The only destroyer I can remember an Orion defeating is a Hades (The Hades got shot once and it got disabled. After a while it got killed easily, with the Orion at 80%). And the Typhon loses in FS1, but then again so does the Lucifer at the right angles. And an Orion from 50 years ago probably had ML-16's on its big turrets and what, Disruptors on its normal guns. The Orion has probably been retrofitted a hundred times, and only its frame was still used. But anyway, the Orion IS the best Terran destroyer.
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The only ship I honestly consider *ugly* is the Boanerges (sp?) The angles, the textures, it's just... :ick: (My opinion, of course)
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I guess because many of the n00bs here have not played FS2 for a long time and/or have not had a chance to voice their opinions on things like this. This thread if for n00bs, by n00bs. Let's just let them have their fun.
And I think the Collossus resembled a baseball bat/shotgun too much. :nervous:
im not taking away anything, its jsut crazy to me that stuff like this still exists
/me doesnt come in here much anymore
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But I must say nothing says terran pride and terran technological might better the the Orion. I mean that thing even after what 50 or so years still has the abilaty to eat distroyers for breakfast take a second course of corvettes and for desert some cruisers.
Errr... No. The only destroyer I can remember an Orion defeating is a Hades (The Hades got shot once and it got disabled. After a while it got killed easily, with the Orion at 80%). And the Typhon loses in FS1, but then again so does the Lucifer at the right angles. And an Orion from 50 years ago probably had ML-16's on its big turrets and what, Disruptors on its normal guns. The Orion has probably been retrofitted a hundred times, and only its frame was still used. But anyway, the Orion IS the best Terran destroyer.
The only reason an orion could beat the hades is because the hades is weak in fs2. They took away half its hitpoints and gave it less firepower than an orion I mean come on.
That said Orion and hades(fs1 version with shivan super lasers and 800000hp) are my favorite ships.
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It still had really bad subsystems
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Yeah but in FS1 it was god :nod:
Up until a couple weeks ago I was only playing FS1 and converting mods over to it
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Up until a couple weeks ago I was only playing FS1 and converting mods over to it
:blah:
WHAT?
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You should release the backported mods... some people are into that kind of thing
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You should release the backported mods... some people are into that kind of thing
I would but my computer crashed and I lost them all.
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im fairly certain that exists already
hence the forum 'Freespace Conversion'
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FreeSpace Conversion (FreeSpace Port) ports FREESPACE 1 to FREESPACE 2. BS403 is porting FREESPACE 2 to FREESPACE 1...
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which begs the question, why?
that engine cant handle some of the stuff the FS2 engine can i thought
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I don't personally like to do it, it's just that some people go for that stuff (they call it "backporting")
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Is that like all the people who still use the retail engine for some reason? Bizarre.
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Yeah, it's like porting the FreeSpace Port to FreeSpace 1...
Besides, how would der beams work?
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Same way the Lucy's beams work in FS1
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Flux guns? Oh, right. I tried making Terran beams a long time ago using the Hornet's trail. They looked pretty good. :nod:
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I backported mods because at the time i didn't have freespace 2 and I wanted to enjoy some of the ships and mods of fs2 even though I didn't have it.
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Has it been said yet that there are no stupid designs, only stupid people?
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Whatever happened to the good old Apollo? That thing was badass, IMO. The valkareyelyooo (forgot how to spell it lol) is cool too.
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Valkyrie... that would take four clicks to find out from the wiki
(sorry I'm in a bad mood :mad:)
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The Valkyrie was a bit fragile IMO, but it was MUCH harder to kill than the Ulysses. :doubt:
Hope nobody saw the original post. :nervous:
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Well, since I"m in a good mood :D., links
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/GTF_Valkyrie
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/GTF_Apollo