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Title: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Polpolion on August 09, 2006, 01:02:21 pm
When the newer series was played a while back (the current one) I saw one part of the first episode of it, but that was all I saw of it. My dad, though, saw a good amount of and decided to get some of the original series out from teh library. I decided to watch those, and I realy liked it. I have now seen all the episodes in the original series except for maby a few here or there. I am not sure if anyone here watches the original series, because it was aired when even the oldest of HLPBB was very young. I have two questions if anyone here knows the awnsers:

In the episode with Count Iblis in it, what did apollo and starbuck see in that crashed ship? I have a hunch, but I'm not positive  :)

and

Why exactly did the series become cancelled? (not enough veiwers, low ratings, stupid publishers)


I started watching the newer series, but it seems weird after the original. Like the original was beaten up a whole bunch (and a part was ripped off in starbuck and boomer's case :p ) and what was left became the new series.

Althogh I enjoy the original series more, I nevertheless am look forward to that BSG:BTRL mod coming up.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Dark Knight on August 09, 2006, 01:13:30 pm
I've watched all the original BSGs, they aired them on the BBC when I was about 12 or maybe 14.

It was cancelled due to a mixture of the (then) hefty bill of one million $ an episode and though strong, steadily declining ratings. After its cancellation however, it was realized the time-slot was really to blame for the poor ratings. Sunday night just wasn’t a good time for sci-fi.

But it and the new BSG don’t really compare. I look at them as different beasts and treat them very differently. They share themes but are very different types of show, I like ‘em both though… maybe the new one more, but only because Boomer’s hot.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Mefustae on August 09, 2006, 07:43:18 pm
Why exactly did the series become cancelled? (not enough veiwers, low ratings, stupid publishers)
For a TV-show that was effectively a Star-wars clone, it's not at all surprising the writers ran out of ideas, and the effects go old rather fast, I mean, people got tired of watching the same Viper blow up the same Raider again and again.

And then of course, there was Galactica 1980, which... well, it existed.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Turambar on August 09, 2006, 07:54:25 pm
no it didnt.  there is no such thing. 
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: IceFire on August 09, 2006, 08:07:26 pm
The new BSG is definately better in my mind on every count.  The changes they made are their own.  I think of BSG original and new as largely separate sharing the same theme and basic premise but otherwise different.  The new BSG is just what sci-fi needed.  A strong character and story driven sci-fi where the technology provides the setting and the backdrop but not the main focus.  The implications of technology are front and center as is the human experience.

I keep thinking this is what they should have done with the next Star Trek series.  Not the same theme...but take the characters to the front...make the stories on the characters and the issues and not gadget of the week.  Thats what the original Star Trek was about.  It wasn't about Kirks newest phaser...it was about Kirk surviving or out smarting or out drinking or out womanizing :)
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Polpolion on August 09, 2006, 09:27:59 pm
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I keep thinking this is what they should have done with the next Star Trek series.  Not the same theme...but take the characters to the front...make the stories on the characters and the issues and not gadget of the week  ----->    Thats what the original Star Trek was about.  It wasn't about Kirks newest phaser... it was about Kirk surviving or out smarting or out drinking or out womanizing :)



What? Did you just contradict yourself 3 times?

Please explain in different words. I am too stupid to get that :/ :)
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: redsniper on August 09, 2006, 09:53:53 pm
He's saying the original Star Trek was more about wit and character than technobabble.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Polpolion on August 09, 2006, 10:06:41 pm
Oh.

I admit you're right, but imagine if it had BOTH! I mean, you can't have a sci-fi without spaceships or high tech lasers? And who dosen't like a nice plot with real people?
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: redsniper on August 09, 2006, 10:21:32 pm
Lasers and spaceships are great as long as there isn't so much nonsensical explanation of how they work that the plot suffers.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Polpolion on August 09, 2006, 10:42:58 pm
You mean stuff like "the endoplasmic riticulum charges the neutron blaster, vaporizing the lead bonding strips allowing the plutonic ribsom to serve as a catalyst causing a reaction between the Dextrose encrusted splastic ganglien and the main cathode of the zinc mixture of zinc and dihydrogen monoxide." or just 10 minutse of constant explosions and random space fighting?


EDIT: sorry, I know what you mean, I just wanted to say that :p
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Kosh on August 09, 2006, 10:45:14 pm
The original BSG was campy beyond belief. The writing was poor (sure it started out fine, but it went downhill from there), the dialogue was bad, and, while the special effects were good for the time, they quickly became very repetitive (because they literally used the same scenes over and over again all the time).
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Polpolion on August 09, 2006, 10:50:23 pm
Why dose it seem like the galactica always gets owned by a couple of Raiders? You never see it do anything unless it has a couple squadrons of fighters with it!
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Mefustae on August 09, 2006, 10:54:01 pm
Why dose it seem like the galactica always gets owned by a couple of Raiders? You never see it do anything unless it has a couple squadrons of fighters with it!
New Galactica comes from a more realistic school of though, as in even a single fighter-class vessel can carry weapons big enough to make it a dire threat to a ship the size of Galactica, not unlike the Freespace universe, to be honest. Anyway, wait until 'Resurrection Ship pt2' just after the halfway mark in Season 2. Trust me, you'll be eating those words, indeed.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 10, 2006, 04:00:49 am
I'd say the reverse, actually. Old-school Galactica was in desperate need of fighter support to keep the Raiders away. The newer Galactica eats Raiders for lunch. The problem for it lies in the fact there tend to be more Raiders then it can chew up and spit out.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: IPAndrews on August 10, 2006, 04:04:04 am
no it didnt.  there is no such thing. 

Spoken like a true fan. Well done sir  :yes:
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Wobble73 on August 10, 2006, 04:38:15 am
Wasn't Galactica 1980 those horrible made for TV movies where earth was found by the Galactica and they had those silly flying motorbikes?
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Mefustae on August 10, 2006, 04:41:27 am
Wasn't Galactica 1980 those horrible made for TV movies where earth was found by the Galactica and they had those silly flying motorbikes?
No! We promised we'd never speak of it again!!
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: karajorma on August 10, 2006, 05:05:06 am
You must have dreamed it Wobble. Surely no one would ever think that such an idea could possibly be a good enough for a single episode let alone a ten episode run.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Wobble73 on August 10, 2006, 05:13:34 am
You must have dreamed it Wobble. Surely no one would ever think that such an idea could possibly be a good enough for a single episode let alone a ten episode run.

No, it was a long time ago when I saw them, on video in my last year of primary school, (I.E. a very very long time ago) but i'm sure they were feature length episodes. I was actually a big fan of Battlestar and remember being disappointed in them! I don't remeber much of the original series now mind, just a few episodes were Starbuck was gambling in some very cheesy looking casinos with sparkly hexagonal playing cards?
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Mefustae on August 10, 2006, 05:19:20 am
No, it was a long time ago when I saw them, on video in my last year of primary school, (I.E. a very very long time ago) but i'm sure they were feature length episodes. I was actually a big fan of Battlestar and remember being disappointed in them! I don't remeber much of the original series now mind, just a few episodes were Starbuck was gambling in some very cheesy looking casinos with sparkly hexagonal playing cards?
Oh for crying out loud. Way to play the game, man. *Sigh*
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: IPAndrews on August 13, 2006, 07:02:03 am
rofl
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Polpolion on August 13, 2006, 08:49:46 am
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In the episode with Count Iblis in it, what did apollo and starbuck see in that crashed ship? I have a hunch, but I'm not positive 

No one knows, right? :nervous:
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 13, 2006, 06:52:43 pm
Except the writer. Maybe not even him though.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Polpolion on August 15, 2006, 09:26:23 pm
Now that I have watched the opening special and first 3 episodes (I am watching the 4th as I speak) of the new series, I am forced to say that the only thing that I like better in the original series was the theme song. I mean, the music for the new sereis is more of along the lines of bongos and humming.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Kosh on August 15, 2006, 10:06:53 pm
The music theme for the new series better fits the situation. Do you think that the music should be happy and relatively cheerful (like it was in the original) after a nuclear holocaust?
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: Polpolion on August 15, 2006, 10:20:13 pm
Depends which side you're on...
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: IceFire on August 15, 2006, 10:56:16 pm
Oh.

I admit you're right, but imagine if it had BOTH! I mean, you can't have a sci-fi without spaceships or high tech lasers? And who dosen't like a nice plot with real people?

All that tech stuff is the background...the scenery...its what you introduce as just being part of the universe.  You should get to know the universe through the characters.  How the Phaser works and what frequency its modulated at isn't that important to the plot.  In the original Star Trek they didn't do that.  Phasers were stun or kill...high or lower power and that was it.  Fan tech manuals can go and expand on that stuff but the TV show should focus on people in small groups and large.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: ZylonBane on August 16, 2006, 12:54:34 pm
Now that I have watched the opening special and first 3 episodes (I am watching the 4th as I speak) of the new series, I am forced to say that the only thing that I like better in the original series was the theme song.
The new BSG still has the old theme music. It now exists in-universe as some sort of patriotic Colonial march.
Title: Re: Brand-new BSG fan
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 16, 2006, 03:28:53 pm
It's the Colonial Anthem. And it's at least been remastered. The new one is of much better quality.