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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Omniscaper on September 02, 2006, 04:55:46 am
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According to this article http://tv.ign.com/articles/730/730321p1.html CBS is planning to give classic trek the 21st century treatment. Hidef remastered from film source and effects modernization... CGI style. I reserve judgement till when it begins airing Sept 16th.
I think CBS is taking a might huge risk here, playing the Lucas act. So much room for error, but at the same time can be quite a makeover to behold. Thoughts people?
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Are they nuts? The goofy "effects" are much of the shows charm. And how would my mind handle the shock when taken from a shiny CGI scene to a bridge made out of cardboard? Nothing good will come out of this, mark my words.
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I'm in two minds... Lets think back to the DS9 episode where they travelled back and revisited "The Trouble With Tribbles" shall we? It actually worked... it was a really popular episode and although they remastered the Enterprise etc. it all looked like it fitted in quite nicely.
If they take that route and don't screw with any of the plot etc. then they might make it quite pleasently remastered. But they could easily push it the other way and lose the charm (as Prophet says) - I quite like the obviously crap models and the entire bridge crew "pretending" to be thrown off their feet when a torpedo hits etc.
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This could work if they only alter certain stuff. Exterior shots, and other ships like the planet killer and the Romulan scout would be nice to see in updated glory. The interior, and the dodgey aliens (par example, The Companion) should be left as-is.
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Heard about this not too long ago, and I for one actually look forward to see what they do with it. I mean, who here can honestly say they didn't like the ultra-retro look of the USS Defiant in 'In a Mirror, Darkly'? There, you had a ship aesthetically designed in the freakin' 60's that actually looked more advanced technologically than the NX-01!
Here's a sample I came across:
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5967/kablahsn8.jpg) (http://trekweb.com/stories.php?threadView=3&changeView=Go&aid=44f6b4539a7d6)
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all i can say SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
i liked TOS now im gonna love it with **** exploding :D
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it'd be nice if they just brought a little more clarity in the special effects, and did the CG models to bring them up to the kinds of detail seen in most treks to date.
(http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/images/6/66/Sisko_meets_Kirk.jpg)
i thought this part was nicely done, little touches like that were nice..
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This has been done before, btw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HSYC6Wlbv8
And more recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9XHmj-dPEY
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The first one sucked. Second looked much better. But I think Okuda effects work will PWN any fan attempt at this.
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I'm quite interested to see how this will turn out. When it comes down to it, the problem with the Star Wars remake wasn't so much the special effects as the fact that Lucas started playing around with the entire storyline. I don't see them being that stupid with Star Trek, if they just update the effects but leave all the dialogue etc exactly as it was, it could actually be great to see. If they start adding CGI non-space scenes to 'enhance the experience' or 'increase continuity' etc, it could turn into a pile of poo, but hopefully they won't do that.
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I'm quite interested to see how this will turn out. When it comes down to it, the problem with the Star Wars remake wasn't so much the special effects as the fact that Lucas started playing around with the entire storyline. I don't see them being that stupid with Star Trek, if they just update the effects but leave all the dialogue etc exactly as it was, it could actually be great to see. If they start adding CGI non-space scenes to 'enhance the experience' or 'increase continuity' etc, it could turn into a pile of poo, but hopefully they won't do that.
:yes:
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No amount of CGI will be able to save Spock's brain...
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I'm in two minds... Lets think back to the DS9 episode where they travelled back and revisited "The Trouble With Tribbles" shall we? It actually worked... it was a really popular episode and although they remastered the Enterprise etc. it all looked like it fitted in quite nicely.
If they take that route and don't screw with any of the plot etc. then they might make it quite pleasently remastered. But they could easily push it the other way and lose the charm (as Prophet says) - I quite like the obviously crap models and the entire bridge crew "pretending" to be thrown off their feet when a torpedo hits etc.
I hated that episode. Don't get me wrong, the CGI things were nice, but another time-travel episode? And worst of all, the butchering of hte klingon past with that ridge thing.. ACK!!!!
Anyway, I allways considered TOS more of a comedy than anything else. Me and my roommate would laugh and laugh at the corny dialogue, redicolous plot, crappy acting and hilarious effects. I allmost chocked from laughing a few times! TOS RULEZ!!!!!
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I'm in two minds... Lets think back to the DS9 episode where they travelled back and revisited "The Trouble With Tribbles" shall we? It actually worked... it was a really popular episode and although they remastered the Enterprise etc. it all looked like it fitted in quite nicely.
If they take that route and don't screw with any of the plot etc. then they might make it quite pleasently remastered. But they could easily push it the other way and lose the charm (as Prophet says) - I quite like the obviously crap models and the entire bridge crew "pretending" to be thrown off their feet when a torpedo hits etc.
I hated that episode. Don't get me wrong, the CGI things were nice, but another time-travel episode? And worst of all, the butchering of hte klingon past with that ridge thing.. ACK!!!!
Anyway, I allways considered TOS more of a comedy than anything else. Me and my roommate would laugh and laugh at the corny dialogue, redicolous plot, crappy acting and hilarious effects. I allmost chocked from laughing a few times! TOS RULEZ!!!!!
HERITIC! BURN HIMM!!
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If they do this tastefully and correctly, which it (preliminarily) sounds like they're trying to do, then it could be a really amazing thing to see. Like Mefustae said, seeing the Constitution-class in full CGI in Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly" was something else; I'll be all for it if this is how it turns out. However, if they go the Lucas route...God save their souls, because Trekkies sure won't.
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God save their souls, because Trekkies sure won't.
:lol:
Except Spock totally kicked God's butt in Star Trek V.
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Except Spock totally kicked God's butt in Star Trek V.
Could you NOT mention that movie while we're.... ever??
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Except Spock totally kicked God's butt in Star Trek V.
Could you NOT mention that movie while we're.... ever??
:yes:
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The Forbidden Country was forbidden for a reason.....................
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my inner cynic is telling me that the only reason why the peeps are paramount want to do this is because they have no other trek to make, so they'll just go back to the first and add a modern polish to it.
:p
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Then repeat @ TNG, then polish up the rest no doubt, By the time thats done,
We'll have even shinier effects to add to the original. Ad infinitum............
(i say that a lot at the moment)
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There's totally potential to redo the Trek image... I'd love to see ANY Trek series done in the gritty, realistic manner of BSG. :D
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I thought that's what DS9 was supposed to be. Or Enterprise (never watched it, so I wouldn't know). Personally, DS9 is my favourite, actually the only one I watched with any sort of consistancy, exactly because of the darker military-themed nature of the show, focusing on politics and society and war, not exploration.
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Then repeat @ TNG, then polish up the rest no doubt, By the time thats done,
We'll have even shinier effects to add to the original. Ad infinitum............
Well, it's cheaper than making any sort of new series.
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I thought that's what DS9 was supposed to be. Or Enterprise (never watched it, so I wouldn't know).
They may have tried to have gritty themes, but their production values were spit-n'-polish Trek SteadyCams. :no:
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But trexxors will go mad and buy the V3.7 tng series 1 just because the enterprise has an extra blinky cgi light.
Thats ridiculous........... :eek2:
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You need help.
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Like smeg i do.............
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I thought that's what DS9 was supposed to be. Or Enterprise (never watched it, so I wouldn't know).
They may have tried to have gritty themes, but their production values were spit-n'-polish Trek SteadyCams. :no:
What, you need shakey-cam to be gritty?
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BSG spent their autofocus budget on Cylon effects. I guarantee if they had steady cam and normal focus, The shows originality would be half of what it is.
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I thought that's what DS9 was supposed to be. Or Enterprise (never watched it, so I wouldn't know).
They may have tried to have gritty themes, but their production values were spit-n'-polish Trek SteadyCams. :no:
What, you need shakey-cam to be gritty?
Can't deny it's pretty effective how they use it (documentary style). Probably helps too, that it allows - IIRC - most of the sets to be full scale and enclosed. (another thing strikes me - if you see the BSG sets vs how they are in reality ala behind the scenes photos, and how they are lit in the show, it's amazing how different - and better - it looks)
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while i agree BSG's quasi-doco camera style is cool, it wouldn't suit the..... well bugger it, it'd look fecking awsome with star trek.
what ST needs, is some serious nads, and grit, the ol' roddenbury utopian vision was all good and fine, back in the 60's. not now, it won't.
ST's universe seems a lot more colorful than what the writers, and the fans, give it credit for, there's a lot of potential for other stories, other aspects, etc.
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Unfortunately, it's impossible to take any actor seriously whilst they are wearing a bright red jump-suit. That always annoyed me about the whole Star Trek thing, even when sending Security details to planets that were solid jungle, they'd still be dressed in bright red 'Ensign Expendable' clothing :(
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Unfortunately, it's impossible to take any actor seriously whilst they are wearing a bright red jump-suit. That always annoyed me about the whole Star Trek thing, even when sending Security details to planets that were solid jungle, they'd still be dressed in bright red 'Ensign Expendable' clothing :(
don't forget they went on to the grey on black with a hint of area color later on.
(http://www.trekmania.net/conference/uniforms1.jpg)
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Yep, they did what they could with the later series, it was like the whole talking point of 'Who cleans the Jeffries tubes?'. Members of the Engineering team could crawl anywhere on the ship using those tubes and never once came out with any smudges or dirt on their uniform.
It's funny in that sequence of pictures, you can almost see Patrick Stewarts cyncicism about the series fading as time progresses ;)
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Reminds me of the Homosapien evolution diagram, But in reverse, As his brow lowers lol
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In the first picure he actually has something that resembles an officers uniform. I have always considered that "line" of uniforms to be the most realistic. It resembles what they did with B5. No tight jump-suits, but loose inoform that looks comfortable and has *gasp* pockets! Pockets!
Althought ST officers don't really seem to need those. Why carry stuff around when you can be sure that next time you need that phasor or magic box of beeping, it will be on you in a belt. It is so ridiculous. If you see someone with a belt with stuff on it you can count on him/her to use it during that scene.
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I watched an episode of Enterprise recently, from season 3, where Archer attacks a fairly weak alien ship to steal their warp coil. Certainly not utopian there.
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thats cause Enterprise very much mirrors the Bush II era