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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Grey Wolf on November 30, 2001, 11:18:00 pm
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Thats just... wrong...
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What... the... hell... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif)
(http://www.gamespy.com/images/index_layout/grudge/pics/malon.jpg)
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I don't usually harp about the graphics in games because there are more important things to worry about but I draw the line at cel shading. Cel shading has to be the gayest thing I have ever seen. When I first saw it (in the new Zelda screens in fact) I thought it was gay but it really hit home when I saw shots of the the game series that started all this nonsenese over at Xbox.com: Jet Set Audio. Out of the three games I seen that use it the only one it really works in is Sheep Dog 'n Wolf but in SDnW the whole point is to drop you into a Warner Brothers cartoon so it can sort of be forgiven.
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Those screenshots were not sopposed to be released. Mr. Miyamoto is trying out different game designs. I read in several articles that he assures that this is definately going to be the final version of the game. And if it is, hey graphics don't make the game. Music, gameplay, and storyline are important. Like Chrono Trigger (the greatest game of all time)
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Look, I realise that historically Zelda was geared at children but to have that so "in my face" by the use of cel shading just irks me, I don't know why.
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"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
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"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
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Originally posted by Unidan:
Those screenshots were not sopposed to be released. Mr. Miyamoto is trying out different game designs. I read in several articles that he assures that this is definately going to be the final version of the game. And if it is, hey graphics don't make the game. Music, gameplay, and storyline are important. Like Chrono Trigger (the greatest game of all time)
of I've seen videos of that new zelda... it's plain ugly imho, I even prefer the old gameboy version...
the best gfx improvment for me? the old gouraud shading (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Link looks like he did in the first Zelda game (the game is even called "Legend of Zelda").But I want both graphical and gameplay progress.
The graphic seems to be targeded (sp) to a younger audience. But at the same time the graphics look like old adventure games (which I love) like Day of the tentacle and Sam 'n Max.
IGN has more screenshots and a movie. The movie looks like it was a real animated movie. http://cube.ign.com/previews/17012.html ("http://cube.ign.com/previews/17012.html")
Pez
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You do realize I will have to kill every last one of you for these blasphemous comments, right?
After my initial shock/horror/revulsion, I began to say to myself, hey that actually looks a lot like Link To The Past (my favourite Zelda so far) in 3D! Mint!
Now I look forward to Zelda GC in quivering anticipation.
Also, a question for those 'Nintendo/Zelda is for kiddies' types out there in computer land: how many little chilluns do you know who could see Ocarina or Majora all the way through? And do you really think Shigsy had five year olds in mind when writing in the really surreal bits of Majora? Do small western children appreciate japanese weirdness? Perhaps...
Sorry for my ranting, but you've touched a very sensitive subject here. How may of you knew that Shigsy was quoted as saying that =N= will also be developing another Zelda looking like the original Spaceworld trailer, the so-called 'grown-up' look? Facts, people...
And finally:
GAMECUBE ALL THE WAY, BABY!!!!!!!
[EDIT]Damn... UBB... code... grrr
[This message has been edited by diamondgeezer (edited 12-01-2001).]
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they use cell shading because they carn't draw good skinz! it makes up for lazy modelers. (He he he)
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Hmm, while it's true that gameplay is important... graphics must matter - or else we'd all be playing in wireframe 3D still (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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But have you seen those graphics? It's like the finest quality Disney cartoon - but it's fully interactive!!!
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer:
Disney
Which is exactly why no one likes it....
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer:
After my initial shock/horror/revulsion, I began to say to myself, hey that actually looks a lot like Link To The Past (my favourite Zelda so far) in 3D! Mint!
Actually A Link to the Past looks better than that... that... THING!
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"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
Wasurenaide...
"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
...Watashi ga iru koto o.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer:
GAMECUBE ALL THE WAY, BABY!!!!!!!
Word to that. Can't wait for the new Zelda.
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If you can play Metal Gear Solid 2 and Halo on it, I'll be happy. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Give me ISs or give me death... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
(actually, i know it's also on PS2, but I'm hoping the GC and XBox will at least force the price down)
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Bah! The graphics on the SNES Zelda games were more appealing...and that was back when gameplay meant everything and graphics didn't matter all that much. (mainly because the graphics on the SNES sucked)
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Originally posted by Setekh:
If you can play Metal Gear Solid 2 and Halo on it, I'll be happy. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
PC, your my only friend (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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You can say that again... and when you have Bleem, nothing can stop you! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) Except for platforms which use cartridges... bah. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Mario Kart..... one of the main reasons for the continued existence of consoles (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Okay, a PC and a GB Advanced. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
(mainly because the graphics on the SNES sucked)
Actually the SNES featured the most advanced graphics subsystem of its time. Too bad the crack smoking engineers (obviousy Nintendo haven't laid them all off yet the Game Boy Advance was able to reach shelves without a screen backlight) paired it with a 3Mhz CPU. To get a better idea of what they did think of putting a GeForce 3 into a 486.
Originally posted by aldo_14:
Mario Kart..... one of the main reasons for the continued existence of consoles (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Mario Kart sucks though... Unless your 5 and need to be encouraged to play nice...
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"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
Wasurenaide...
"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
...Watashi ga iru koto o.
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Except for platforms which use cartridges... bah. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
bah, all those have emumators so no pb (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD:
Mario Kart sucks though... Unless your 5 and need to be encouraged to play nice...
WHAT! Are you mad, man!
Looks at username
Oh, that explains it....
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Originally posted by aldo_14:
WHAT! Are you mad, man!
Looks at username
Oh, that explains it....
I'm not mad, I just hate Mario Kart. The whole thing just screams "play nice kiddies" and that kills the fun. I prefer Wacky Wheels on the PC (the first kart racer I ever played) and Crash Team Racing on the PSX.
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"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
Wasurenaide...
"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
...Watashi ga iru koto o.
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The only games I ever liked on the N64 was Goldeneye and Rouge Squadron.
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"Oh and Kazan - you have some nice rocks" - Thunder
"stapled myself to an office chair, forgot about it, and was stuck for 2 hours for one thing" - Stryke 9
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wacky wheels? whoa, talk about oldies (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
yeah, it was fun, especially in multi
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gh3y. i liked the legend of Zelda: Ocarnica(or whatever) of time. it had good gameplay and (for N64) pretty good graphics. now i know that gameplay makes or breaks the game, but LOOK AT THAT! IT'S A FRIKKIN CARTOON! and look how happy and bright Link is! it reminds me of bat man from the 60's. all bright and cheary, nothing like the dark creature of the night he was meant to be, buti guess that's what happens in the time of the hippies. all peace and love ect.
but that doesn't even look like Link. it's a disgrace. i trust no one has any objections? *Holds out HLP Hammer of IP banning Justice* didn't think so.
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We all seemed to like Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. Some of us seem to think that these two games defined the series - that this is the way Zelda was meant to be. What we are forgetting however, is that those 2 games were the most Un-Zelda games so far. Both of these games were dark and epic. Was Zelda 1 epic? Was Link to the Past dark? No! This new Zelda is returning the franchise to its roots. It may not have the same looks as the 2 N64 games, but I can gaurantee it will be FUN and CHALLENGING. I can also gaurantee that the necessary elements of Zelda will still be there. There will be treasure chests in block mazes, there will be labyrinths, there will be items on cliffs that you have no idea how to get to.
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If this were any other other forum I would flame you all where you stand (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/ninja.gif)
Thorn, you know full well what I mean - the quality of the animation. But then, I knew somone would sday it...
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Why does the Ninja's feet disappear when he pulls out his kitana's?
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Reticulating Splines...
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i think the question is whether or not we actually WANT those old block dungeons back.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
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I honestly cannot see the resemblance between that cel shaded pile of ****e and either A Link to the Past or the original Legend of Zelda but maybe thats because I'm not enough of a Nintendo sheep...
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"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
Wasurenaide...
"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
...Watashi ga iru koto o.
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Originally posted by Carl:
but that doesn't even look like Link. it's a disgrace. i trust no one has any objections? *Holds out HLP Hammer of IP banning Justice* didn't think so.
I think this would be far more effective. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
(http://vertigo1-2.freeyellow.com/Excal_maingun.jpg)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Lets hope Nintendo doesn't turn Rouge Leader into some stupid kiddie game....I will be PISSED if they do.
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"You know you've played Freespace too much when you're driving along trying to use countermeasures to shake off pursuing highway police." - Top Gun
"Oh and Kazan - you have some nice rocks" - Thunder
"stapled myself to an office chair, forgot about it, and was stuck for 2 hours for one thing" - Stryke 9
Material Defender Studios ("http://www.mdstudios.f2s.com/index.html")
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
(http://vertigo1-2.freeyellow.com/Excal_maingun.jpg)
Oh... that's cool... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
And... Go Wacky Wheels! I loved shooting people with hedgehogs. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Oh... that's cool... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
And... Go Wacky Wheels! I loved shooting people with hedgehogs. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
yeah (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
WW still rules (dunno how it would run on my PC tho...)
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I'll have to dig out Wacky Wheels again myself... I don't know how its "let me do the thinking for you" sound card detection routine will fair with WinXPs DOS Sound emulation so I might be playing in silence but I'll give it a try anyway.
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"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
Wasurenaide...
"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
...Watashi ga iru koto o.
Official NMCE www.netwerkin.com ("http://www.netwerkin.com")
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD:
I'm not mad, I just hate Mario Kart. The whole thing just screams "play nice kiddies" and that kills the fun. I prefer Wacky Wheels on the PC (the first kart racer I ever played) and Crash Team Racing on the PSX.
just think...
neither of those games would have existed if Mario Kart hadn't laid out the basic groundwork for the genre...
Originally posted by Monaco:
We all seemed to like Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. Both of these games were dark and epic.
ever turned the gamma all the way up on a PC game & looked at the textures in a high-intensity situation? ever noticed how they appear all blotchy & crap?
well there you have your answer as to why all N64 games had that dark look about them... it showed that they had to use low colour depth textures to save space on the miniscule cartridges...
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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
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Originally posted by Griffon UK:
just think...
neither of those games would have existed if Mario Kart hadn't laid out the basic groundwork for the genre...
True but considering most of Nintendos first part games are aimed at children it took other companies to make a really fun kart racing game.
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"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
Wasurenaide...
"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
...Watashi ga iru koto o.
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You've obviously never experienced the sheer beauty of playing 1 vs 1 on MooMoo farm whilst drunk, then.
MK64 can be one of the most vicious games you can play....
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Originally posted by aldo_14:
You've obviously never experienced the sheer beauty of playing 1 vs 1 on MooMoo farm whilst drunk, then.
MK64 can be one of the most vicious games you can play....
So they fixed the "hit someone, lose coin" bull**** and that balloon crap in multi in MK64 then? I've only ever played the SNES version, the rest look the same to me.
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"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
Wasurenaide...
"Don't stop, baby, dreamin'"
"Don't stop, baby, lovin'"
"Don't stop, babe, believin'"
...Watashi ga iru koto o.
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no, that was still there...
the MooMoo farm was just so annoying when the damn things jumped on your face... it must have been fun while drunk or sumin (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
and Toads Freeway (or whatever it was called) was the definition of violence in the game... forcing an opponent under the wheels of a car was the perfect definition of road rage (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
NO!!! Its a Hyperkinetic Rabbity thing!!!
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Oh... that's cool... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Its an old rendering I did nearly two years ago. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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"You know you've played Freespace too much when you're driving along trying to use countermeasures to shake off pursuing highway police." - Top Gun
"Oh and Kazan - you have some nice rocks" - Thunder
"stapled myself to an office chair, forgot about it, and was stuck for 2 hours for one thing" - Stryke 9
Material Defender Studios ("http://www.mdstudios.f2s.com/index.html")
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Originally posted by Griffon UK:
ever turned the gamma all the way up on a PC game & looked at the textures in a high-intensity situation? ever noticed how they appear all blotchy & crap?
excepted I think WW is older, it came out the same moth as Wing Commander3 (but maybe mario is older, couldn't say, in fact)
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bit of a misquote there (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
NO!!! Its a Hyperkinetic Rabbity thing!!!
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Originally posted by Griffon UK:
bit of a misquote there (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
hem, yeah, nevermind (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by MD-2389:
Its an old rendering I did nearly two years ago. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif)!
You could've fooled me into thinking that was done yesterday, it's damn nice! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)