Post by: CougEr on December 02, 2001, 11:30:00 pm
Similar in class and size to the Colossus. Designs were stolen from a Vasudan concept and applied to their own Shivan technology.
With this baby around no system will ever be secure for the GTF.
Actually this is an exercise I did this week for the modelling part of the course.
Everyone seemed to like making it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
it's a .LWO 4000 poli.
Still too big as a mod for FS2?
BTW, this is an open GL display only. Still, looks as good as a TS render almost.
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Post by: Monaco on December 02, 2001, 11:34:00 pm
Seriously though, isn't the Sathanas the Shivan's answer to the Colossus? At any rate, awesome model.
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Post by: Setekh on December 03, 2001, 01:34:00 am
For animation, I take it?
Post by: Fineus on December 03, 2001, 02:04:00 am
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Originally posted by Monaco:(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif) It's a foot!
It does look kinda like one, but I like it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Post by: Nico on December 03, 2001, 05:35:00 am
Post by: CougEr on December 03, 2001, 09:54:00 am
But I made the subpatch division a little too rich.
and now there isn't really a way to reduce poli without ending up with holes in the hull.
850 poligons max for sub mods ehh?
I'd remake it if it would be used, somehow.
CougEr
Post by: Thorn on December 03, 2001, 10:49:00 am
Post by: Nico on December 03, 2001, 11:18:00 am
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Originally posted by Thorn:
I looks more Vasudan than Shivan to me...
yeah, I wanted to say that too, just forgot (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Post by: deep_eyes on December 03, 2001, 04:44:00 pm
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Originally posted by Monaco:
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wtf.gif) It's a foot!
!!!!!!lol!!!!!!
but why they need an answer when they got sathanasas? doesnt this make sense?
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Post by: CougEr on December 03, 2001, 07:01:00 pm
Often news of strategic operations resulting in losses to the alliance is not divulged to the media for obvious reasons.
The designs of 3 heads monster, code name: BELZEBU', were in fact intercepted by the NTF during a raid to a Vasudan-Terran blockade in Capella.
It is allegedly said that Admiral Bosh's Iceni mysteriously jumped in during the final part of the raid and managed to capture a Vasudan evacuation shuttle containing the plans for what it was supposed to be a new and most powerful Terran-Vasudan destroyer. Later realized and identified by the Shivan as the 3 heads monster: BELZEBU'. The source of the original design (Vasudan) might explain its looks.
Following the capture and loss of those plans, the selection for an alliance winning design was rushed through and awarded to the next proposal in line, The Colossus.
Using as point of reference copies of the stolen plans, The Colossus was built slightly better than Belzebu'.
A race in time to complete the two Argonauts saw both opposing forces working hard at beating each other and the confirmation of an elaborate spy network operating on both sides.
The new terran-Vasudan Argonaut was realized in record time... despise of the redesigns, major improvement and modifications to all its weaponry, communication, armour and navigation subsystems.
Unfortunately the Shivans had other plans in the making and suddenly, just as the attention of the conflict was focussed on the two Argonauts construction, the Shivans unleashed yet another of their well kept secrets from their arsenals in the war arena: The Sathanas.
Intelligence later confirmed that the Sathanas was in fact one of many Argonauts now being released and deployed by the Shivans for control of several systems.
The war had just taken a turn for the worst for our alliance.
- From the recovered files of the GTVA Central Intelligence Agency.
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Post by: KillMeNow on December 03, 2001, 07:57:00 pm
Post by: IceFire on December 03, 2001, 08:11:00 pm
Ontop of that, I have trouble believing that the Shivans would need to steal technology from anyone.
The Sathanas class as I figure it are fairly ancient. The Lucifer probably even more ancient.
Anyways, not to discredit your modeling work. Its pretty good and it has some fairly nice lines!
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Post by: RoachKoach on December 03, 2001, 08:20:00 pm
and its impossible for the shivans to ever make a ship to respond to something they see in time. their fleets that engage us are probably so old that the last sathanas was created when our 1st orion was put into production, and yet they can wip our @sses every time.
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Post by: RoachKoach on December 03, 2001, 08:21:00 pm
Post by: KillMeNow on December 03, 2001, 08:37:00 pm
Post by: Vertigo1 on December 03, 2001, 08:58:00 pm
I'd loose the big engine section completely and have little small ones along the rear section of the ship. Maybe one or two on the nose for added manuverability. It looks like its gonna fly in a constant loop as it is right now. You can also cut back on the polygon count by reducing the smoothing a bit.
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Post by: Su-tehp on December 03, 2001, 08:58:00 pm
And the Shivans weren't anywhere near GTVA space until 2367 so they couldn't steal ANYTHING (let alone a ship design) from the GTVA until that time.
Just my two cents
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Post by: CougEr on December 03, 2001, 09:09:00 pm
It was later realized and identified by the Shivans as The 3 head monster.
The shivans "UNLEASHED", (not built) THE SATHANAS.
According to intelligence reports, the Sathanas and the other Shivan Argounauts for this matter, are very old.
Practcally ancient according to our chronological records.
Carbon testing made to some recovered fragments of the Lucifer after its destruction by our forces,
defines the time of construction same as the Knossos ancient portal discovered in the Gamma Draconis system.
Graviton fluctuations constantly present in that system also are contributing factors to the believe
that some kind of temporal distortion is present there.
Amazingly enough that is the system where *The ESS-7000 was moved to by the Homs to avoid further temporal distortions
to the time line.
Although there is no actual proof to confirm that the Sathanas does in fact belongs to the same period,
it is commonly believed that the Shivan Argounats must have been built way before the begining of this war.
Probably for a different conflict but not deployed until recently for other reasons.
The non deployment of such forces by the Shivan until recently put forward further speculations and a validates
the Homs theory that the Shivans main base or home planet is not with in our known systems.
The time it took for those Argonauts to arrive from where ever they came from, could justify the great distances
they had to travel to arrive here in aid of their invation.
Now... does it make sense?
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Post by: Vertigo1 on December 03, 2001, 09:16:00 pm
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Post by: CougEr on December 03, 2001, 09:25:00 pm
fixed!
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Post by: Vertigo1 on December 03, 2001, 09:33:00 pm
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Post by: deep_eyes on December 03, 2001, 09:33:00 pm
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Originally posted by IceFire:
Sorry, but I have trouble believing that the Shivans designed and built the Sathanas to counter the Colossus.
Ontop of that, I have trouble believing that the Shivans would need to steal technology from anyone.
The Sathanas class as I figure it are fairly ancient. The Lucifer probably even more ancient.
Anyways, not to discredit your modeling work. Its pretty good and it has some fairly nice lines!
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i agree with icefire, simply because of the large number of sathanasas seen in the game, anyone can logically say that either, these ships have been around for years, the shivan forces are far larger then anyone can imagine, and or that they are possibly an organic living organism that has technology built into it, or the above combined. but in anycase, the colossus was ment to deal with Lucifer class ships and below, not Lucy Part Duex EX aka the sathanas.
Post by: Thorn on December 03, 2001, 09:48:00 pm
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Gamma Drakonis not Gamma Drakonies. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Its Gamma Draconis....
Post by: CougEr on December 03, 2001, 09:56:00 pm
re-20 years to build Colossus...
I have 2 words for you all
Temporal distortion
in Gamma Draconis.
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Post by: CougEr on December 03, 2001, 10:19:00 pm
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Originally posted by KillMeNow:easy, set up texture rendered view in display option for all the vierwports you want to have : a) indipendent BKG and b) indipendent zoom and center.
couger - you seem to be quite good with lightwave so how you save a wireframe view in modeler as an image file???????
then set up PSP to capture full frame. Save as JPG. Go to PS. Save again for web at the right compression. As per view 35%. small enough to upload as full size.
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Post by: Nephilim on December 03, 2001, 11:56:00 pm
Post by: CougEr on December 04, 2001, 12:08:00 am
To save a wireframe view of a model as an image you can use the preview option bottom right end of the screen and save as whatever... making sure that the display properties are set to wireframe and not textured surface.
You might need Adobe Premier or any other desktop editing program to convert the saved avi to sequential frames and choose the frame you need. As I suspect Lightwave prerview does not save single frames.
But if it does, need I say any more?
Or, Option 2 (and this is the way I would most likely go because it offers more control of all lighting options). You can set up the Lightwave scene to render what you have and saved on the layout scene (view from camera). Remember to make a copy of your object and work with the copy as you'll need to unify the properties of all the poligons in to a single texture. The texture of the desired object should be set in property of that object to render only the outline. Basically that shows all the poligons. Make sure you have one flat color with no specularity and 100% diffusion as texture. Light it with a single distant light ( default).
The third Option is to , again render the LW scene but the camera properties will be set to wireframe as opposed to REALISTIC.
There you go, as per usual in Lightwave there is always more than one way to do something.
Regarding the speculation of Belzebu' and the Shivan Armada, heheh I was only playing with the concept.
That will remain a quick model I made for the course and I accept with enthusiasm all the critique made to it so far.
It's great to get feed back.
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Post by: CougEr on December 04, 2001, 12:17:00 am
and no one out yet... this is a good game!
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Post by: CougEr on December 04, 2001, 02:11:00 am
here it is a quick render of ess-7000
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Post by: Setekh on December 04, 2001, 04:17:00 am
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here it is a quick render of ess-7000
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Post by: CougEr on December 04, 2001, 08:09:00 pm
Aided by alien technology (HOMS TECHNOLOGY) the ESS 7000 project was commissioned by the Earth visitors, the HOMS when calculation of forthcoming probable impact with free celestial bodies started to refelect the vulnerable position of Earth in its current orbit around the sun. Mining for prime material, twelve C class planets nearby the sun solar system started immediately. The construction of the ESS 7000 took over 20 years to complete.
Ultimately the function and purpose of ESS-7000 "Erthsustain" is to seek out "free space" in a newer solar system ready to accommodate the placement of the Earth.
A secret and ulterior plan of the Great Council of Twelve however reflects more the
Uno's Spiritual vocation.
To seek out every species and to co-ordinate the Final unification.
The Ancient ones is a group of very old Unos, a sub culture of the HOMS, and also eight members of The Great Council of twelve, the main government body of the HOMS.
They have had, as the basic blocks of their religion and beliefs, a notion that all races and civilization in the known Universe originated from one place alone.
No matter how an where each species evolved and travelled to, they would all unify back to the origin one time.
Okay so... This is the basic preamble for a continuation of the Free Space story. One that if accepted by the Film Studios I'm dealing with at present, could see a new sci-fi TV series emerging out of it.
Yeah... I'm working on it!
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Post by: Anduril on December 04, 2001, 10:12:00 pm
Post by: CougEr on December 05, 2001, 02:50:00 am
Amazing, your reaction to that notion is perfect!
I'm right on target then presenting the ohh, so important part following here.
extract from a treatment for the creenplay of episode 1, The Great Homs Story...
...Lead by a small group of those sobversive characters, as the Homs Security Commission referred, now even larger masses where making their way to the only launch pods that were left unattended.
A few hours later a ragtag group of small craft in a convoy were exiting the system.
It was as if they let them go.
The working conditions and the human exploitation so clearly depicted in that report to the Security Commission as probably the only favourable point towards any one who would now refuse to work on project ESS.
But it was too late to make a difference.
2 weeks later the proper classification code of 7000 was given to the project making it now ESS-7000, code name: "Earthsustain"
The only thing left was the long awaited anchoring of our planet to the two stationary frags.
That day would coincide with the 50th anniversary of the arrival of the visitors on Earth, The Homs.
The people left on Earth where not afraid of the discoloration of their sky or the constant overcast weather over their heads any more. They knew the Homs did what they did in the interest of everyone. Just like they fixed the OZONE layer, deplited so much that no one was able to go outside anymore without frying.
Or the green house effect, or the cure for AIDS and cancer and the prevention of that horrible pestilence discovered in all particles of hidrogens of our atmosphear.
Work by the Allied World States continued on Earth to repair the St. Andrews fault line with that incredible device made available by the HOMS.
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Post by: Nico on December 05, 2001, 05:35:00 am
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Originally posted by Anduril:
20 years?!?!!? To build something with at least 10 times the volume of the Earth? Try 2000. Run some REAL labor calculations, and even if you assume every man, woman, and child is working at a professional level from birth to death, there is no way that that is possible.
then youn can use nanobots.
Post by: Vertigo1 on December 05, 2001, 11:29:00 am
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Post by: Griffon UK on December 05, 2001, 11:41:00 am
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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
NO!!! Its a Hyperkinetic Rabbity thing!!!
Post by: NeoHunter on December 06, 2001, 08:11:00 am
But seriously, I think its a original model only a bit strange...
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Post by: TDM/JM on December 06, 2001, 11:00:00 am
Moving a planet with bigger-than-the-planet-sized-technology? Wouldn't it be easier to break the planet down to molecular or even Planck-scale components, build a big ark, drive it to a new system, and reconstitute the ark as the planet, again? If you've got the tech to build the thing you've drawn, you've got the tech to do sub-molecular desconstruction and reconstitution on a planetary scale -- and that would be simpler, more cost-efficient, less risky and less prone to failure. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: Nico on December 06, 2001, 11:16:00 am
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On ESS-7000:
Moving a planet with bigger-than-the-planet-sized-technology? Wouldn't it be easier to break the planet down to molecular or even Planck-scale components, build a big ark, drive it to a new system, and reconstitute the ark as the planet, again? If you've got the tech to build the thing you've drawn, you've got the tech to do sub-molecular desconstruction and reconstitution on a planetary scale -- and that would be simpler, more cost-efficient, less risky and less prone to failure. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
A.
wouldn't it be simpler to move everything from the planet to a ship the same size?
Post by: CougEr on December 06, 2001, 12:28:00 pm
I thought I was pretty much out there, especially when I came up with the concept of Earthsustain, which in terms brought about the Homs. A story I've actually been playing with for almost 5 years now.
Your questions are not only intelligent but founded by some correct theories.
However, for reasons none other than theological to the protagonists, Earth is the chose planet in the beliefs of the Unos and therefore I'm obliged to follow it in the storyline.
The shier vision of our own planet glowing intensly in the darknes of space, encapsulated by two gigantic structures must be a profoundly moving experience. Surely one that would bring to the surface several emotions our home planet is renowned for.
Any one here remembers the comments of the first astronauts in that Gemini capsule when they saw our planet from orbit up there?
Or the term: "Brave new world" used ohh so many times before?
It's one for Humanity. The fact that Earth or Sol has become the catalist, the host to THE UNIFICATION is important.
Three species feature in this story: Terrans or humans, us in other words,
The Homs, a terran humanoid way more advanced technologically than mankind,
and the Unos, again another form of Humanoids but with distinctive characteristics like: a most culted species, spiritual beings not unlike the Vulcans of Startrek.
I know what most people would be saying now, That's not original. The vulcans are Startrek.
Yes, I agree but in my experience as a story teller it's not the components of the story that need to be original but the concept itself.
And in answer to the comment about Earthsustain being a bit blocky.
Considering the massive size of te structures the dettails would be obscured at that distance.
Pretty much like Earth itself looks like a ball, the two frags look like two cylinders.
It's the Chaos theory all over again. Fractors.
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Post by: Carl on December 06, 2001, 12:43:00 pm
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looks as good as a TS render almost.
maybe a TS render by someone who knows nothing about the program.