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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mobius on September 10, 2006, 05:40:41 pm
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Five years ago,the Twin Towers were destroyed causing the terrible death of thousands of innocent people,leaving wounds in our harts. :(
The entire FreeSpace Community is close to the relatives of everyone who has lost a friend,a son,a wife,an husband. :yes:
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Five years ago tommarow...
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
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We are GTM+1 here,so....
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GMT*
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Meh.
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Meh.
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Please some serious posts here...
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Seriously. Meh.
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I seriously don't care.
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Please some serious posts here...
Some people, myself included, are at that stage in all seriousness. It's been five years. I no longer see the need for such large scale grief. Rememberence day is one thing, to remember millions who died in a long war. 9/11 is just one terrorist act. Spectacular, terrifying to some Americans, but still just another attack. It shouldn't be given any credence.
I seriously don't care.
I wouldn't go that far.
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But the consequences of this terrorist act..we can see them every day in the television...
We are you from then?
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The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
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The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Agreed. It may not be significant to the rest of the world, but to Americans, this being the third attack on their soil in history (1812, Pearl Harbor included), and it being on such a huge scale makes it significant. Plus, like LGM said, this wasn't just 'one terrorist attack'; that's just like saying Archduke Ferdinand was just 'one guy who got shot.' This event has shaped the world, for better or for worse.
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But the consequences of this terrorist act..we can see them every day in the television...
We are you from then?
No, the consequences of allowing the act to be used for political gain can be seen every day, in television or otherwise.
And I'm from the United Kingdom.
The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Yes the world has changed. We're even further from capturing U/Osama than ever. Pissing away resources in Iraq has made that a racing certainty - which incidentally means we destabilised one of the few secular regimes in the region. The US has made every attempt to cripple the UN. Both the US and the UK have moved towards police states...
And it all comes back to the consequences as I stated in the the first paragraph of this post. It was not the act itself, but the exploitation of the public perception of the act that has led us here.
The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Agreed. It may not be significant to the rest of the world, but to Americans, this being the third attack on their soil in history (1812, Pearl Harbor included), and it being on such a huge scale makes it significant. Plus, like LGM said, this wasn't just 'one terrorist attack'; that's just like saying Archduke Ferdinand was just 'one guy who got shot.' This event has shaped the world, for better or for worse.
Fourth, actually. You forgot the first attack on the WTC.
Edit: Where's an0n when you need him? :doubt:
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All politicizing aside...
That day changed so much for people, not just in the U.S.A.
What I have chosen to remember the most is how so many people were able to put aside all the little things that we usually argue about and let divide us and we were just able to be united and suppotive of each other.
That, for me, was the hope rising from the ashes of the towers: hope for what is good in humanity.
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The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Agreed. It may not be significant to the rest of the world, but to Americans, this being the third attack on their soil in history (1812, Pearl Harbor included), and it being on such a huge scale makes it significant. Plus, like LGM said, this wasn't just 'one terrorist attack'; that's just like saying Archduke Ferdinand was just 'one guy who got shot.' This event has shaped the world, for better or for worse.
I would be millionaire if that war would never started :(
But the consequences of this terrorist act..we can see them every day in the television...
We are you from then?
No, the consequences of allowing the act to be used for political gain can be seen every day, in television or otherwise.
And I'm from the United Kingdom.
The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Yes the world has changed. We're even further from capturing U/Osama than ever. Pissing away resources in Iraq has made that a racing certainty - which incidentally means we destabilised one of the few secular regimes in the region. The US has made every attempt to cripple the UN. Both the US and the UK have moved towards police states...
And it all comes back to the consequences as I stated in the the first paragraph of this post. It was not the act itself, but the exploitation of the public perception of the act that has led us here.
The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Agreed. It may not be significant to the rest of the world, but to Americans, this being the third attack on their soil in history (1812, Pearl Harbor included), and it being on such a huge scale makes it significant. Plus, like LGM said, this wasn't just 'one terrorist attack'; that's just like saying Archduke Ferdinand was just 'one guy who got shot.' This event has shaped the world, for better or for worse.
Fourth, actually. You forgot the first attack on the WTC.
Many English soldiers died too,if this is important for you.
You can't remove such things from your head.Your sons will study them at school and probably ask you some questions... :pimp:
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The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Agreed. It may not be significant to the rest of the world, but to Americans, this being the third attack on their soil in history (1812, Pearl Harbor included), and it being on such a huge scale makes it significant. Plus, like LGM said, this wasn't just 'one terrorist attack'; that's just like saying Archduke Ferdinand was just 'one guy who got shot.' This event has shaped the world, for better or for worse.
I would be millionaire if that war would never started :(
But the consequences of this terrorist act..we can see them every day in the television...
We are you from then?
No, the consequences of allowing the act to be used for political gain can be seen every day, in television or otherwise.
And I'm from the United Kingdom.
The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Yes the world has changed. We're even further from capturing U/Osama than ever. Pissing away resources in Iraq has made that a racing certainty - which incidentally means we destabilised one of the few secular regimes in the region. The US has made every attempt to cripple the UN. Both the US and the UK have moved towards police states...
And it all comes back to the consequences as I stated in the the first paragraph of this post. It was not the act itself, but the exploitation of the public perception of the act that has led us here.
The world of 5+ years ago has drastically changed. Think about it.
Oh, and if all you have to say is "I don't care", then pardon the unusual ferocity, but shut the hell up.
Agreed. It may not be significant to the rest of the world, but to Americans, this being the third attack on their soil in history (1812, Pearl Harbor included), and it being on such a huge scale makes it significant. Plus, like LGM said, this wasn't just 'one terrorist attack'; that's just like saying Archduke Ferdinand was just 'one guy who got shot.' This event has shaped the world, for better or for worse.
Fourth, actually. You forgot the first attack on the WTC.
Many English soldiers died too,if this is important for you.
You can't remove such things from your head.Your sons will study them at school and probably ask you some questions... :pimp:
Okay, NOW your disjointed method of replying to posts is starting to cause problems. First of all, I'm Scottish and either way I'd refer to them as British soldiers; Secondly, What things exactly are you talking about? Do you even understand the point I'm making? And where did these soldiers die, precisely?
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In Iraq.
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I'm sorry to upturn the thread. But LOL.
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I remember what happened, but I'm not going to get all tore up about it. I usually try to deal with grief by overcoming it, or whatever caused it. :)
EDIT: Damn, I just sounded like one of those overly optimistic pill-heads. Oh well.....
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*hangs head, raises glass*
September 11 WILL be remembered throughout the world. It is the day the "Big Dog will rattle his cage" (Toby Keith, American Soldier). Americans won't forget, and we CERTAINLY will NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES let the rest of the world forget!
I think that every year, starting from the time the first plane hit and ending at midnight, we light the lights that were light to heaven:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Wtc-2004-memorial.jpg/400px-Wtc-2004-memorial.jpg)
May we never, ever. . . forget.
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Will everyone just STFU already? I'm tired of hearing about it. Between 3 movies, several documentaries, and everybody and his brother throwing their unneeded 2 cents in, I wish the whole discussion would just go away. Those who dont wish to STFU should just piss off and give the situation the peace it deserves.
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9/11. the beesting that prompted the biggest, most reckless swelling the world has ever seen.
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Will everyone just STFU already? I'm tired of hearing about it. Between 3 movies, several documentaries, and everybody and his brother throwing their unneeded 2 cents in, I wish the whole discussion would just go away. Those who dont wish to STFU should just piss off and give the situation the peace it deserves.
Yeah, I agree!
Wait, you were talking about Freespace 3, right?
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Will everyone just STFU already? I'm tired of hearing about it. Between 3 movies, several documentaries, and everybody and his brother throwing their unneeded 2 cents in, I wish the whole discussion would just go away. Those who dont wish to STFU should just piss off and give the situation the peace it deserves.
where do you live?
and no, I will not shut up. It's us Americans who get things done, so we get the braggin' rights. . .
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Will everyone just STFU already? I'm tired of hearing about it. Between 3 movies, several documentaries, and everybody and his brother throwing their unneeded 2 cents in, I wish the whole discussion would just go away. Those who dont wish to STFU should just piss off and give the situation the peace it deserves.
where do you live?
and no, I will not shut up. It's us Americans who get things done, so we get the braggin' rights. . .
Umm, we havn't killed Osama-bin-laden yet and we havn't found the "nukes" in Iraq yet and we havn't stableize our economy yet, we havn't stableized gas prices yet...
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Will everyone just STFU already? I'm tired of hearing about it. Between 3 movies, several documentaries, and everybody and his brother throwing their unneeded 2 cents in, I wish the whole discussion would just go away. Those who dont wish to STFU should just piss off and give the situation the peace it deserves.
where do you live?
and no, I will not shut up. It's us Americans who get things done, so we get the braggin' rights. . .
I'm sorry, but that is the most ridiculously hilarious relpy in this whole thread.
And really, bragging rights? Bragging about the fact that your country let TWO JETS fly directly into the tallest buildings in the world. Huh?
9/11 was a huge **** up. The best the world can do is get over the dead, clean up, rebuild and make sure it never happens again.
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Will everyone just STFU already? I'm tired of hearing about it. Between 3 movies, several documentaries, and everybody and his brother throwing their unneeded 2 cents in, I wish the whole discussion would just go away. Those who dont wish to STFU should just piss off and give the situation the peace it deserves.
where do you live?
and no, I will not shut up. It's us Americans who get things done, so we get the braggin' rights. . .
Ok, this post made me come on here just to reply to it.
Dear Mr. Spartan_0214:
Shut the **** up.
Sincerely, Unknown Target
Seriously little boy. I'm ****ing American and I'M tired of hearing this bull**** about 9/11. Get your head out of your asses America, and welcome to the rest of the ****ing world. Sure, it was a tragedy, I feel horrible for those who lost their lives in it, but the Cult of 9/11 (yes, I just coined that term) has got me absolutely pissed off. A lot of Americans (not all, mind you, as is obviously apparant) practically worship the tragedy of 9/11 - and when I say worship, I don't mean as in a good way, I mean it in the way where they are absolutely fanatical, and refuse to let everyone else forget about it,even though if they really want to make the world safer, they themselves have to move on from it.
I AM AMERICAN, AND I WANT THIS WORLD TO BE SAFE. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KEEP GOING ON ABOUT 9/11 AND EXPLOITING IT!
And another thing - that absolutely IDIOTIC three year old comment about "we're American and we get bragging rights" - I am so pissed off at that I feel like looking up your home adress and kicking your ass, pissing on your face, and then shoving your mangled body in front of the mothers of the thousands of other troops from the thousands of other countries who have lost their lives in their own fights, for good or bad, and make you SAY THAT TO THEM. Goddamnit, shut the **** up you ignorant little twat. It's people like you that are the reason the world hates us right now.
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/Mistah_Kurtz/wonka_flame.jpg)
I'm impressed that it actually took until the second page.
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Damn it, every bloody year... :rolleyes:
It's painfully obvious that you can't hold a 9/11 memorial thread on a forum without generating flames, so let's all just agree that it's a ****ed up thing, and we should just let the dead rest easy and move on with our lives.
I'm thinking we should all take Scuddie's advice and STFU, so i'm going to be the annoying voice of civility and call for a good, hard locking.
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UT: i'm glad someone said it
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No no, I don't want to see this locked. Come on, we can salvage this thread. Here, I'll start:
What does everyone think about the Stacker at Burger King? I mean, I was really excited because I thought it was the size of a Whopper and I was all like, "Wow that's the best thing ever." But then I ordered one and it was just the size of a regular burger, and my hopes and dreams were shattered. Has anyone else had these feelings?
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/Mistah_Kurtz/wonka_flame.jpg)
I'm impressed that it actually took until the second page.
RAAA!!!
*EDITED OUT BUT IT WAS VERY VERY VERY FUNNY I'LL ASSURE YOU THAT
EDIT:
since this thread is locked, I'll just edit my thoughts in... Kali's comments in the last post was good. :nervous:
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No no, I don't want to see this locked. Come on, we can salvage this thread. Here, I'll start:
What does everyone think about the Stacker at Burger King? I mean, I was really excited because I thought it was the size of a Whopper and I was all like, "Wow that's the best thing ever." But then I ordered one and it was just the size of a regular burger, and my hopes and dreams were shattered. Has anyone else had these feelings?
I like the new stacker but i think it's a liitle overpriced
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*wonders why we don't have such a hopla on Dec 7*
just imagine all the extra fat you were robbed of by not having a Whopper sized Stacker :P
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/Mistah_Kurtz/wonka_flame.jpg)
Ya think?
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9/11 threads are hilarious as hell
they have flamewars and carnage and death and amerikkka, all in one compact package
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9/11 threads are hilarious as hell
they have flamewars and carnage and death and amerikkka, all in one compact package
All on the internets too!
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I would suggest a mod lock any and all 9/11 threads that appear to prevent arrogant posters from making a mockery of a tragedy.
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There's a lot of feeling about this, nobody wants to make a mockery of the people who died, or make less of the fact that America was attacked, but there are also very definite hints that the whole thing has already been made a mockery of by being used to 'fix' things that were never broken, and make broken things worse.
I do sympathise with the American people, but will we have a day for Iraq, a day for Lebanon, a day for Afghanistan, we already have a day for Israel and the terrors of the holocaust, and now we have a day for the US, why shouldn't all countries that suffered losses not deserve a day of remembering?
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Will everyone just STFU already? I'm tired of hearing about it. Between 3 movies, several documentaries, and everybody and his brother throwing their unneeded 2 cents in, I wish the whole discussion would just go away. Those who dont wish to STFU should just piss off and give the situation the peace it deserves.
where do you live?
and no, I will not shut up. It's us Americans who get things done, so we get the braggin' rights. . .
Ok, this post made me come on here just to reply to it.
Dear Mr. Spartan_0214:
Shut the **** up.
Sincerely, Unknown Target
Seriously little boy. I'm ****ing American and I'M tired of hearing this bull**** about 9/11. Get your head out of your asses America, and welcome to the rest of the ****ing world. Sure, it was a tragedy, I feel horrible for those who lost their lives in it, but the Cult of 9/11 (yes, I just coined that term) has got me absolutely pissed off. A lot of Americans (not all, mind you, as is obviously apparant) practically worship the tragedy of 9/11 - and when I say worship, I don't mean as in a good way, I mean it in the way where they are absolutely fanatical, and refuse to let everyone else forget about it,even though if they really want to make the world safer, they themselves have to move on from it.
I AM AMERICAN, AND I WANT THIS WORLD TO BE SAFE. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KEEP GOING ON ABOUT 9/11 AND EXPLOITING IT!
And another thing - that absolutely IDIOTIC three year old comment about "we're American and we get bragging rights" - I am so pissed off at that I feel like looking up your home adress and kicking your ass, pissing on your face, and then shoving your mangled body in front of the mothers of the thousands of other troops from the thousands of other countries who have lost their lives in their own fights, for good or bad, and make you SAY THAT TO THEM. Goddamnit, shut the **** up you ignorant little twat. It's people like you that are the reason the world hates us right now.
Hippo approves of UT's and Scuddies' message.
Let the god damn event go to our past. It was big once, and it was ok the first or maybe second aniversaries, but 5 years of this is stupid, repetative, and just needs to stop.
Mourning for 5 years is like being in high school for 5 years. It means you're retarded, or trashman. (or in parts of europe where theres 6 years of high school in which case you should imagine i said 7).
And heres a little info for everyone considering telling me to stfu too. I'm american. I'm a firefighter. On 9/11/01 343 firefighters died in the single mass firefighter death in modern times in the US. But they died doing their jobs, just like the NYPD that went into the tower to evacuate people, but they know as well as every firefighter on the face of this planet that their next call could be their last, and they dont question that. To drag up the fact that they died over and over and over is like showing graphic pictures of a crime at a trial, it does nothing but make the jury sick.
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spartan your ****ing stupid, honestly, the military gets stuff done, not you, go back to your junior high homework
Now I had a cousin who died in the 2nd tower(NYPD) and a brother and father who have both spent time in Iraq/Saudi, so yes this day still does matter to a whole lot of people, just because you werent directly affected by it doesnt mean thousands of other people werent. Have some compassion and stop being antiAmerican assholes, you know who you are some of you. To some people(including me) this is still a ****ty day 5 days later, and will probably be 10 years from now
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I find Anti-Americanism to be a fad.
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To be honest, I find accusing people of being Anti-American is getting to be just as much of a fad.
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you knew whe you clicked on the link you were going to see two types of people:
the 'We are the American here to save the world on our white horse of justice' people
and the 'you horable people let all those Africans starve to death' people
as big as the one group's head is the other group is just as bad, of course people will lean one way or the other and it won't seem that way, but it is.
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Yay for the day the media and the politicians mercilessly rape the memories of five thousand dead. :blah:
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I think this topic should be locked before more flame ensues. Each person has their own way of remembering the day and dealing with it and others should respect that too.
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Wow. You guys are pathetic. I mean, really, really pathetic. I'm tempted to shut HLP down for the day just because I don't want to hear any more pathetic babies whining, from either "side". Whatever happened to your pride at HLP being a place where we can hold civilized debates on inflammatory topics?
Pathetic.
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Whatever happened to your pride at HLP being a place where we can hold civilized debates on inflammatory topics?
:wtf: Civilized debates here? One of us has been living in a parallel universe.
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Whatever happened to your pride at HLP being a place where we can hold civilized debates on inflammatory topics?
:wtf: Civilized debates here? One of us has been living in a parallel universe.
Or perhaps just in the past. :(
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I know this is locked and I'm not going to unlock it for further comment - but I missed it while it was active so I'd just like to say..
..that there have been many many other terrorist attacks, attacks by America on foreign countries and attacks by other countries on other countries..
Where are your memorials for them?
I'm not trying to cheapen what happened at the WTC. It was a tragedy that all those lives are lost. But in the years since (and this isn't a stab at anyone here, more society in general... mostly Americas because it was their soil) I've seen countless people saying "we shall never forget" and what a horrible thing it was. If we can all agree that terrorism is "wrong" and horrible then where are our days of rememberance and reflection for those who've died since 9/11 due to the War on Terror?
Both sides have killed civilians since then. I find this a bitter pill to swallow as, if it's terrorists that do it, it's a massacre of innocents. If it's allied forces that do it then it's an unfortunate accident, friendly fire or someother politically acceptable label.
I fear that in this war, neither side is innocent. I'd sooner see a day of rememberance for all those civilian casualties of fighting in the world, so that we can remember that while terrorism is wrong - we're responsible for our own actions as well.
And that's my 2c. Sorry that this won't be opened for discussion but I guess it was locked for a reason and so locked it shall stay.