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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on December 02, 2001, 08:29:00 am
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The IDF lifts the closure on PA towns, and the results are clear: this (//"http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/12/02/News/News.39159.html") and this (//"http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/12/02/News/News.39117.html"). (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
EDIT: Weird URL parser... :-/
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
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[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 12-02-2001).]
[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 12-02-2001).]
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Originally posted by sandwich:
The IDF lifts the closure on PA towns, and the results are clear: (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
>snipped for length - see Sandwich's post - Shrike<
Heard that on the radio this morning. It just never stops....
[This message has been edited by Shrike (edited 12-04-2001).]
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Thats terrible (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
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Nothing you can really say......
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My condolences go to those who have been affected and their families.
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Arafat needs to be shot. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif)
There is a reason that I declare people in general as being stupid. Arafat and his followers prove my theory.
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Yeah, I heard about that... my condolences.
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My condolences too. The thing is, that not only Arafat must be shot, there are other people also, both sides. An Israeli paper said that the murder of one of the members of Hamash(sp?) was planned by Saron to provoke attacks by the terrorists.
I guess peace is bad for both sides.
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It's a reliefe to hear from you. I heard about the bombings and have been (tensly) waiting for you to say "you're OK".
Incredible that, in a time when we've shown our capablility at "dismantling" terrorists AND the nations that host them that they would pull this stunt while we're still riled up.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif) of course I still haven't heard what the (non-existant) american response is going to be. This place sure embaresses me sometimes (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
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Why in the world would America respond? Our government doesn't give a pair of fresh roasted chicken's balls in feces about anything but itself- Israel and US citizens included- look at the national news, particularly stories involving the untold hundreds of people arrested for things like being related to foreigners, the "Patriot Act", and us dropping bombs on more Afghan civilians- we only helped Israel when it made us look good, and now we apparently don't care about looking good- and I use "we" in the broadest sense, as the only reason I'm not outta here is 'cause I can't meet the qualifications for a Netherlands citizenship.
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Anybody ever remember the Embargo placed on the US during the 6 day war?
...Didn't think so.
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This thread should be closed immediately. The grenade is about to go off!
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
It's a reliefe to hear from you. I heard about the bombings and have been (tensly) waiting for you to say "you're OK".
Incredible that, in a time when we've shown our capablility at "dismantling" terrorists AND the nations that host them that they would pull this stunt while we're still riled up.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif) of course I still haven't heard what the (non-existant) american response is going to be. This place sure embaresses me sometimes (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
Ditto and a half from me. It's great to see you back around here, Sandwich. I just wish it could be under better circumstances. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
My prayers are there. God bless, dude. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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What is this world turning into? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
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What is this world turning into?
The world hasn't really changed so its not really turning into something else. This kind of conflict has been going on for thousands of years. The names and the way people get killed do change, but the rest remains pretty much the same.
It seems as if things are worse now than before, but thats pretty much just perception.
In the 60's it was the US and Russia pointing nukes at each other (and like they aren't still pointed), in the 18th Century it was Napoleon rampaging through Europe, in the 17th Century it was Protestants and Catholics beating the crap out of each other, burning villages, and rampaging about the countryside. And forgive me if I've missed something major or something important, but I think it all goes to serve my point that nothing has really changed.
It'd probably be a nice thing if it did and we could actually accomplish something positive as an entire species.
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terrorist ********
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Originally posted by IceFire:
In the 60's it was the US and Russia pointing nukes at each other (and like they aren't still pointed), in the 18th Century it was Napoleon rampaging through Europe, in the 17th Century it was Protestants and Catholics beating the crap out of each other, burning villages, and rampaging about the countryside. And forgive me if I've missed something major or something important, but I think it all goes to serve my point that nothing has really changed.
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Maybe World War 2? Wasn't really terrorist actions but shows how stupid A LOT of people are. That one man can convince all these people that the Jews were to blame for WWI. I've read a biography on Hitler and he didn't blame the Jews for WWI in his mind but hated them because they stood out to him. He said at one point. "You could tell a Jewish person from the rest of the people in the city." To him they were not Germans.
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Yeah, I'm back safe and sound. I was actually in the US when the bombings occurred, but my best friend's wife had just gone up to her apartent downtown when one of the bombs went of below. She's ok, though.
Anyways, me = pooped. C'y'all later. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/index.html"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Really sorry to hear this, although this kind of thing seems to be an integral part of our world today... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif)
Yeah, the US could probably do more about this. Although if you think about, every country is like that (if they do another nation a favor it is in their own interest somehow); just the way international politics works... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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what the US did in Afghanistan was not really the right thing to do - instead of breaking all known international laws, they should have actively supported the NA. I say this because , if viewed in a slightly different perspective it amounts to US bullying. Where would the US stop - would they bomb the West bank now? Or Sri Lanka , or Kashmir right here? And on whose side will they be? Will they bomb our state of Andhra Pradesh which is becoming the new IT centre in India because of Govt. forces fighting militants called Naxalites like they did in Kosovo - or bomb our war torn North East , where China and Berma supply arms to warring factions who seek independant homelands? There is a limit to US envolvement everywhere , and in the past they have crossed these limits in a very disturbing way. I hope you all dont ban me or kill me for speaking against your country, but I felt I must share my view with you all too.
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Also , u must realize that the apparent alliance of the US with Pakistan makes the US effort look like kind of a farce. The entiry situation is filled with irony. The Taliban and Osama are actually US creations. Ok they got a lot worse after they wre left to themselves. and Pakistan - their economy is in a ruin - so much so that their President's mansion was put up for rent - all because of their incessant support and supply of arms and ammo to the very forces the US now fights. Even during the weeks of bombing , Pakistan supplied the goodies to the Taliban. the massive riots and ready support by the Pakistani people of the Taliban was overlooked , as was the intensified attacks in Kashmir. Is it fair that the US reserves the right to strike anywhere to avange 1 day of bloodshed , when we have faced the same bloodshed on a much larger scale, since 1947? and after that , it joins forces with the very enemy , while ignoring a true freind in its fight against terrorism ie India? I find all this really shameful and downright unfair, if not kind of racial and greedy.
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Thunder...you might want to close this as this might turn ugly really soon really fast.
IceFire: True..very true. What I fear is it getting worse.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go watch what's left of B5...just so I won't say anything that would get me banned from here.
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"You know you've played Freespace too much when you're driving along trying to use countermeasures to shake off pursuing highway police." - Top Gun
"Oh and Kazan - you have some nice rocks" - Thunder
"stapled myself to an office chair, forgot about it, and was stuck for 2 hours for one thing" - Stryke 9
Material Defender Studios ("http://www.mdstudios.f2s.com/index.html")
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Gaaa! Must...not...respond...too...volatile...topic...
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Hey I'm originally from India as well (Pune, maharashtra), but I think that the US is doing the right thing here since whatever they doing, it is in their own interests. (which is ultimately what matters in world politics) It may not be 'morally' the best thing to do, as may be the fact that the US considers Pakistan its ally, but this is simply the way things work in global politics. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
when we have faced the same bloodshed on a much larger scale, since 1947
My personal opinion is that India is being a bit too "soft" on this issue (US also has this problem although not to such an extent); they have the military might required to hold kashmir by force but keep asking for authorization from everyone else before doing even the smallest thing. What do you think?
Anyway I'm going to get out of here before things get too hot... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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In response to a number of recent posts - I say, keep it up! As far as I can see, this has been (for the most part) a sane, rational discussion. Keep it that way, recognize that even if you know a person is wrong about something, he/she has the right to express it, and be willing to listen to your friends here on the boards and their opinions on the current (ugly) world situation today.
Now, for my 2 pence... I do believe that the US was not overstepping it's limits in going after the "terrorists and nations that harbor terrorisim", but I also believe that they went about it the wrong way. In my opinion, the US did not need to form a world-wide coalition (what a joke) to fight terror. Support, yes. Coalition, no.
People (in a very general sense) need to realize that while a nation such as Syria might condemn 9-11 and verbally support retaliation against the perpatrators, they will not support the US in a world-wide terrorisim seek-and-destroy operation. That would simply be signing their own death warrant.
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America, stand assured that Israel truly understands what you are going through.
"He who laughs last thinks slowest."
"Just becase you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."
"To err is human; to really screw up you need a computer."
Creator of the Sandvich Bar ("http://www.geocities.com/sandvich/index.html"), the CapShip Turret Upgrade, the Complete FS2 Ship List and the System Backgrounds List (all available from the site)
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Ok, possibly my reaction was too strong there. Hey CP5670 , when did u move to the US? Never thought i'd meet an NRI here. Yeah , u could say India is being soft, but then again , it is virtually impossible for us to do what the US did, given the tremendous pressures and tension that already prevail in the region. Pakistan is an easily excitable foe , and would readily resort to nuclear weapons to equalize against the massive Indian Army. And then there's China , and Europe and the US arent going to just sit n watch India blow up terrorist camps n all.
[This message has been edited by RoachKoach (edited 12-08-2001).]