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Title: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Herra Tohtori on September 15, 2006, 12:09:31 am
BBC News: US Iran report branded dishonest (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5346524.stm)

Quote from: BBC
... In a leaked letter, the IAEA said a congressional report contained serious distortions of the agency's own findings on Iran's nuclear activity.

...

Signed by a senior director at the International Atomic Energy Agency, Vilmos Cserveny, the letter raises objections over the committee's report released on 23 August.

It says the report was wrong to say that Iran had enriched uranium to weapons-grade level when the IAEA had only found small quantities of enrichment at far lower levels.


Why do I get the picture that I've seen something very similar before?  :sigh:

Oh wait! That's because, unfunnily enough, they did!

It's incredible, what those people try to feed to the world. It's even more incredible to me that they can actually keep saying things like that and stay in the office.

On the other hand, I think it's a shame that with their previous actions, US has pulled the whole world along with it to a syndrome of "the boy who called wolf".

Even though I do consider Iran to be greater threat to its neighbours and the world than Iraq, I am also highly suspicious of reports of that danger coming from US direction. They have destroyed their own credibility almosst completely in my eyes, and this newest failure to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth just strengthens my doubts of ever trusting anything that comes out of that tube of propaganda that used to be the Government of the United States of America... They seem to be saying anything they will, everything they will and nothing but what they will to say, and they donät seem to be concerned about whether it actually fits the real world around them.

I suppose they would argue that black is white if it suited them for any reason. Oh wait, black is white, when its viewed ad the light of sufficient intensity... like a nuke.



-Tell me. What do you do with nukes?
Burn them in nuclear reactors!
Burn!
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...

-And what do you use in reactors apart from nukes?
More nukes!
Shh!
...Uranium?

-So, why are nukes used in reactors?
<pause>
B--... 'cause they're made of... uranium?

-Good! Heh heh.
Oh, yeah. Oh.
-So, how do we tell whether it is made of uranium?
Build a reactor out of it.
-Ah, but can you not also make reactors that use coal, oil or natural gas?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...

-Does uranium float in water?
No. No.
No, it sinks! It sinks!
Throw it into the pond!
The pond! Throw the nuke into the pond!

-What also sinks in water?
...Stones!
...Iron!
...Everything that has density over 1000 kg/m^3! :nervous:
...Lead! Lead!

-A gun!
Oooh.
-Exactly. So, logically...
If... it... weighs... the same as a gun,... it's made of uranium.
-And therefore?
A nuke!
A nuke!...



If someone has already opened a topic with same content, well... I couldn't find it.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Kosh on September 15, 2006, 12:50:05 am
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They have destroyed their own credibility almosst completely in my eyes, and this newest failure to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth just strengthens my doubts of ever trusting anything that comes out of that tube of propaganda that used to be the Government of the United States of America...


But many people in America never ask questions. Like that chip that is now in American passports, I had to read about that in the Guardian. Has anyone asked any questions about this? Has there been any contraversy? Nope. American people are sheep that are being led off of a cliff.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Ford Prefect on September 15, 2006, 01:55:52 am
Well, you see, the fact that we don't know whether there are nukes in Iran means that those nukes are simultaneously existent and nonexistent. We have to invade Iran to collapse the superposition of states! I think that's obviously what Congress is getting at.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Herra Tohtori on September 15, 2006, 01:59:39 am
Yeah... but in doing so, they also collapse their own state's superposition... :lol:

Schrödinger's Nuke... that's a good one.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Rictor on September 15, 2006, 07:29:35 am
Yeah... but in doing so, they also collapse their own state's superposition... :lol:

Well played. All hail Herra Tohtori, master of the pun.

The sad thing is that while the IAEA's problems with Iran's nuclear program are relatively small, technical and isolated, at least according to what I've read, the US has successfully manage to spin that into "Look, the IAEA says that iran is going to nuke Chicago within the next 15 minutes", and a good chunk of the American population has bought it.

Am I right to assume that the push to punish Iran, whether with sanctions or whatever, is viewed with almost universal skepticism over in Europe? I mean for God's sake, they just pulled this same **** not three years ago, and yet there's still people out there, even intelligent ones, who nod their head gravely and start making comparisons to appeasing Hitler in '39.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Janos on September 15, 2006, 08:24:47 am
Yeah... but in doing so, they also collapse their own state's superposition... :lol:

Well played. All hail Herra Tohtori, master of the pun.

The sad thing is that while the IAEA's problems with Iran's nuclear program are relatively small, technical and isolated, at least according to what I've read, the US has successfully manage to spin that into "Look, the IAEA says that iran is going to nuke Chicago within the next 15 minutes", and a good chunk of the American population has bought it.
Well, paint us ****ing surprised - I mean this is the first time this administration... oh wait

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Am I right to assume that the push to punish Iran, whether with sanctions or whatever, is viewed with almost universal skepticism over in Europe? I mean for God's sake, they just pulled this same **** not three years ago, and yet there's still people out there, even intelligent ones, who nod their head gravely and start making comparisons to appeasing Hitler in '39.
You are actually wrong. Most people think that if it is undeniably found that Iran is actually in breach of NPT and refuses to disarm, then SOMETHING must be done. It's just that no one wants USA to go all gun-ho and ruin everything. We are not very worried about Iran because right now they seem to have beef with USA and, to lesser proportions, Israel.

And those who make the inevitable Hitler comparison should be slapped on a cheek and laughed out of the pub.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Nuke on September 15, 2006, 08:29:04 am
it is simply our time to fall. we will be the instigators of ww3. and we will suffer for it.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Night Hammer on September 15, 2006, 09:04:29 am
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Mefustae on September 15, 2006, 09:10:38 am
it is simply our time to fall. we will be the instigators of ww3. and we will suffer for it.
Oh, stop being so dramatic. The Greenhouse Effect will kill us first.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Janos on September 15, 2006, 09:18:02 am
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"

"... but the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the defendant."

Edit: Fixed outrageously stupid typo
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Wobble73 on September 15, 2006, 09:21:00 am
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"

"... but the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the defendant."
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Nuke on September 15, 2006, 10:34:47 am
it is simply our time to fall. we will be the instigators of ww3. and we will suffer for it.
Oh, stop being so dramatic. The Greenhouse Effect will kill us first.

hippie!    ::)
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Bobboau on September 15, 2006, 11:14:36 am
as I've said, I'll let Europe handle this one, go on, show us how it's done.

if you want some help with anything just ask, but you're in charge this time.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Rictor on September 15, 2006, 11:34:48 am
Somehow I doubt your politicians would agree. And anyway, the EU seems to have the same objective, which is preventing sny[/url] nuclear program, peaceful or otherwise, only they favour the carrot over the stick. Personally, I make no difference between one who wants to deprive you of rights with kind words and economic incentives over one who wants to do it with threats and punishment.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Herra Tohtori on September 15, 2006, 11:39:50 am
That's easy!

...if the US hadn't vommitted such a gigantic amount of outrageous screw-ups in the middle east that it's now almost completely unrealistic to even hope for peaceful conditions there during our life span.

What it would demand is:

-Way better standard of living to get those people more educated. And to diminsh the damage that the Western world has inflicted upon those countries; many of the poorest citizens there blame West for the conditions there, and to my shame I must say that they are not entirely wrong in their accusations.

-To achieve better life standarsd and education, secularized, non-corrupt governments must be get into places of the religious authorities currently holding the reigns in too many third world countries.

-To get secular governments into position of power, the level of education must be raised, because uneducated people cling to old traditions, believeing that they are the only real option, and do not vote capable people into power, but instead the religious authorities... despite the fact that they haven't actually made many good things happen to those countries.

So it's kinda vicious circle... To get rid of religious governments you must improve education, and to improve education you should first get rid of the religious authorities as governments.


The single case of Iran is also easily solved (in theory). If it becomes certain in clear terms that they are indeed putting together a nuke, it must be stopped since it would be a proof that Iran is violating the nuclear restriction pact that it has signed. It should be that simple, but there are, naturally, *difficulties* along the path.

It is the way to actually find out whether or not a nuke is brewing that causes most difficulties. Historically (pre-Iraq war Mk.2), the US hasn't actually been really good at this; the UN weapons inpectors SAID that there was no evidence of WMD's in Iraq, yet the US adminstration was *sure* of their existence. And that causes problems for Europe also in the current semi-crisis, so it's actually not "fair" to just say to Europe "okay, you show us how it's done" after the US made such a task exponentially more difficult by miserably failing in gathering OR analyzing intel last time. Or maybe they just lied, I dunno...

Now, IAEA's report has been misquoted and deformed to look like it would say that Iran was developing a nuke, when in fact it did not say so. So now they don't even use their own intel to back up their claims - they instead distort OTHERs' reports so that they would say what they want.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Janos on September 15, 2006, 12:07:35 pm
as I've said, I'll let Europe handle this one, go on, show us how it's done.

if you want some help with anything just ask, but you're in charge this time.

which one of us
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Bobboau on September 15, 2006, 02:08:54 pm
well, I was expecting the lot of you to form something of a commitie, but if one of you want's to just grab power of the situation that's fine as well.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Nuclear1 on September 15, 2006, 03:56:50 pm
as I've said, I'll let Europe handle this one, go on, show us how it's done.

if you want some help with anything just ask, but you're in charge this time.

which one of us

Any one of you will do fine. It's like I've been saying all along--the European countries should be the ones cleaning up the messes in Africa and the Middle East (excluding Iraq, that's our job, and Lebanon, that's the UN's job) that they made with centuries of imperialism and shoddy boundary drawing.

Not saying the US hasn't done plenty of that, but I can't think of many examples where US-controlled territories or other regions affected by the US have actually spiraled into AIDS epidemics and wanton ethnic genocide as Europe caused the Middle East and Africa to devolve into.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Flipside on September 15, 2006, 04:25:52 pm
You're thinking Empirically, not economically. Yes, Europe screwed around in Africa and the Middle East, yes, in some cases we made a complete disaster of it, but the current situation stays as it is because of the trading and employment practices in a lot of countries Europe and America included (as well as, it should be noted, their own government in many cases).

The UK established the Nation of Israel in the Middle East, this much is certainly true, but the problems in the Middle East continue on such a large scale not because of the existence of Israel, but in the fact that the majority of Palestinians are poor, oppressed and living in constant fear. When you're desperate, you'll jump on any cause that comes along, no matter how radical, especially when not only are you being told that Israel are recieving 'better treatment', but see it with your own eyes. Of course, you aren't told the whole story, they don't mention the Embargos and Sanctions that their own parties' Terrorism has caused any more than American politicians would voluntarily discuss Gitmo Bay.

The 'hatred of Israel' is a requirement to be part of one of the few organisations that can provide food and clothing, if being fundamental will get you that, most Palestinians would pay that price just to survive, and once you're in, the Dogma WILL brainwash you.

The weight for that situation, I feel is something we all have to carry.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: vyper on September 15, 2006, 05:30:00 pm
as I've said, I'll let Europe handle this one, go on, show us how it's done.

if you want some help with anything just ask, but you're in charge this time.

which one of us

Any one of you will do fine. It's like I've been saying all along--the European countries should be the ones cleaning up the messes in Africa and the Middle East (excluding Iraq, that's our job, and Lebanon, that's the UN's job) that they made with centuries of imperialism and shoddy boundary drawing.

Not saying the US hasn't done plenty of that, but I can't think of many examples where US-controlled territories or other regions affected by the US have actually spiraled into AIDS epidemics and wanton ethnic genocide as Europe caused the Middle East and Africa to devolve into.

Indonesia, par example.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Nuclear1 on September 15, 2006, 06:11:24 pm
as I've said, I'll let Europe handle this one, go on, show us how it's done.

if you want some help with anything just ask, but you're in charge this time.

which one of us

Any one of you will do fine. It's like I've been saying all along--the European countries should be the ones cleaning up the messes in Africa and the Middle East (excluding Iraq, that's our job, and Lebanon, that's the UN's job) that they made with centuries of imperialism and shoddy boundary drawing.

Not saying the US hasn't done plenty of that, but I can't think of many examples where US-controlled territories or other regions affected by the US have actually spiraled into AIDS epidemics and wanton ethnic genocide as Europe caused the Middle East and Africa to devolve into.

Indonesia, par example.

Ah, but Indonesia was never a US territory. That, again, was a European hold--the Dutch owned it until WWII.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 15, 2006, 08:53:59 pm
and a good chunk of the American population has bought it.

There are a couple of fundemental misconception here that need to be corrected. Nobody actually bothered listening to the Congressional report, nobody actually believes a damn word Bush says anymore, so we're all kind of sitting here on our hands on the issue. (This may actually be more dangerous, not less.) Aside from the threat by the Joint Chiefs to resign en masse if Bush tries to invade Iran, it's a physical impossiblity to find the forces to do it with. The real danger, here, is if the next adminstration withdraws from Iraq they'll actually have the forces available to do something about it...in addition to leaving Iraq in ****ty situation. If you think the Middle East is ****ed up now, you ain't seen nothing yet.

The best time to kill Iran's nuclear program is in its infancy, now; the further along they are the more difficult it becomes. The current problem is that unless we open the nuclear door ourselves (which is not going to happen; the two-man rule) some of Iran's facilities are not vunerable to airstrike...at least until they accept the 30,000 lb deep penetrator into service. Then something might happen. But that's at least six months in the future. So the issue is on hold for at least six months.

Israel might be willing to do it on their own hook, and they've got the nukes to dig the facilities out, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Kosh on September 15, 2006, 09:46:27 pm
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(This may actually be more dangerous, not less.)


Sounds like you've bought it though.......
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 15, 2006, 11:33:14 pm
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(This may actually be more dangerous, not less.)

Sounds like you've bought it though.......

I really meant that, Mr. W. Bush having seen where public support got him last time, he might view a "meh" attitude as safer.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Herra Tohtori on September 16, 2006, 04:14:55 am
and a good chunk of the American population has bought it.

There are a couple of fundemental misconception here that need to be corrected. Nobody actually bothered listening to the Congressional report, nobody actually believes a damn word Bush says anymore, so we're all kind of sitting here on our hands on the issue. (This may actually be more dangerous, not less.) Aside from the threat by the Joint Chiefs to resign en masse if Bush tries to invade Iran, it's a physical impossiblity to find the forces to do it with. The real danger, here, is if the next adminstration withdraws from Iraq they'll actually have the forces available to do something about it...in addition to leaving Iraq in ****ty situation. If you think the Middle East is ****ed up now, you ain't seen nothing yet.

The best time to kill Iran's nuclear program is in its infancy, now; the further along they are the more difficult it becomes. The current problem is that unless we open the nuclear door ourselves (which is not going to happen; the two-man rule) some of Iran's facilities are not vunerable to airstrike...at least until they accept the 30,000 lb deep penetrator into service. Then something might happen. But that's at least six months in the future. So the issue is on hold for at least six months.

Israel might be willing to do it on their own hook, and they've got the nukes to dig the facilities out, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen.

It was Rictor you quoted, but otherwise I quite agree.

And, of course the reason why not many outside USA and a diminishing number even there believe what Bush says anymore. As I said, they made themselves the boy who called "wolf, wolf".

And about killing Iran's nuclear programme: It is only justified if it becomes certainty that they indeed are brewing a bomb. Aquiring that certainty would be difficult at best times with reliable intelligence services, and making people realize that there was reliable information about it would be even more difficult.

Now, after the Iraq WMD fiasco, it would be nigh impossible to convince anyone that there really was a nuke, regardless of how good and solid the information actually is.


I really would hope the US current (and previous!) government had read their fairy tales as child - perhaps they would have known something about calling "wold" several times in a row.


The situation itself is quite simple - either there is a nuclear weapon programme on Iran, or there isn't.

For the normal people it looks like this: Either there is or isn't a programme, but regardless of world leaders (mainly Bush and his puppeteers) say about the matter, there's no way for normal people to know who is telling the truth, who thinks they are telling the truth and who is lying.

If the US would now introduce some intel to world to prove Iran's nuclear weapons programme's existence, Average Joe would have several choices to choose from:

-They tell the truth and are right, and there is a NW programme in Iran.
-They tell the truth but are wrong, and there is no NW programme in Iran. This is what many people would think, because at least the Bush adminstration claimed this was the case with Iraq.

-They are lying and they know it,  there is no NW programme in Iran. This is what also many people would think, because some think there's no way Bush adminstration could've actually thought there was WMD's in Iraq... I'm kinda between these two options; I bet some of the adminstration knew that intel was not completely reliable, and decided to interprete it in a creative way.

-Last  choice - they are lying and they don't know whether there is a NW programme or not for sure, but there just happens to be one.


So... what gives. The US adminstration has driven themselves into a corner, and Ahmadinejad seems to be an opportunistic leader - OR he's just the figurehead. Everyone should know that the true power in Iran is firmly held by religious leaders. And they might actually have a cunning plan behind all of this. This very dangerous game - dangerous to Iran, not to religious leaders, mind you - goes like this.

There might not be a NW programme in Iran, but creating the impression that there was one, they actually do more harm to United States than with having one.

If this is the case, it's really ingenious... Iranese religious leaders form the leadership of fundamental islamistic world, if you allow me to use this term. They see US as the beginning and end of all evil... well not all, but great portion of it. They want to harm the beast, but they know they don't have physical power to do it. Having a nuke would not really matter. So they might have weaved this scheme to utilize the situation created by US rash actions against Iraq:

-In fundamental islamic mentality, losing face can occur much more often than in west. If millions of moslims think that teh United States has "lost their face", then this is effectively the case.

-If the US doesn't do anything to Iran, even when they are practically spitting all the world in the face, then it seems to Average Abdul that the US has lost their face.

-If the US - or anyone else, for the matter - does something against Iran, be it military offense, economical sanctions or whatever, and later it is revealed that there never was a nuke programme, two things happen. One; Iran becomes a martyr and two; the whole crisis will be reduced - in Avarege Abdul's eyes - to yet one example of incompetence, depravedness and evilness of the Western world.


So it's a win-win situation to the religious leaders of Iran.

Even if Iran as a state was destroyed or occupied by western troops, the religious leaders would gain hella lot of support from elsewhere in islamic world. Also, there would be no evidence of them being part of this scheme. If they were killed, well, yet more martyrs... :shaking:

This is purely speculation, but I wouldn't be surprized if this really was the case.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Janos on September 16, 2006, 05:44:41 am
well, I was expecting the lot of you to form something of a commitie, but if one of you want's to just grab power of the situation that's fine as well.

****ing danes powergrabbin'

edit: ok let's bring some actual content here.

Europe as it is is just a part of a continent - it would be better to speak of EU. And right now EU, being a cluster**** of different countries and cultures, tries to get things done via UN because we're pretty dedicated to it. If UN decides to do something then yeah, ok.

Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Bobboau on September 16, 2006, 06:34:04 am
yeah, whatever, you guys deal with it.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Janos on September 16, 2006, 07:14:13 am
yeah, whatever, you guys deal with it.

ok thanks then you can propably shut up about it and let us do it our way ok and also plz don't throw gasoline into this fire we're having enough problems as it is we don't need vitriolic rhetorics which just tense the situation ok right thanks bye oh yeah and one more thing if you even think about using pre-emptive force or something the healthy **** you because it will only make the things worse and more difficult and after that every threepenny tinpot dictator will go for the nuke route
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Herra Tohtori on September 16, 2006, 07:22:36 am
I don't have problem with United States affecting things all over the world.

What is a problem to me and many others is that US seems to think that it is somehow justified to do those things regardless of what other countries have to say about it, even alone if necessary (thogh of course they accept help from those few who agree...).

Take the latest conflict in Iraq for example.

The attack was "justified" by a UN Security Council decision number something, at least that's what the US opinion was.

The UN Secretary-General didn't agree with that interpretation, but in the end it didn't matter the slightest bit. This is a good example how the US has historically acted with UN. If the UN decisions suit them, fine. If they don't suit the US goals, they disregard them. Or as in this case, make them say something that they actually didn't and then claim that the UN agrees with US...

If the US actually worked along with the UN instead of urinating on it almost as much as the "rogue states", I don't think people would mind it that much. It is good thing to have people around to make sure things don't go awry, but the problems begin when the police starts to do what they want to do regardless what the law says.

I mean, what's the point of actually having the UN around if the biggest most powerful country in the world does not feel like they should submit themselves to its authority? I thought that UN was supposed to be about universal law and an authority above individual, national states that have decided to join the UN. What the US does, and has been doing for decades, has made the UN more of a reincarnation of the League of Nations, except that formally the US was never part of the LN... paradoxally, LN could never accomplish anything because the US wasn't a member state; now UN can't do anything that US doesn't agree to, but US can seemingly do whatever they do, even if the UN doesn't agree.


Synopsis: US is part of the world. Europe is part of the world. Iran, unsurprisingly, along with all other "rogue states" is part of the same world.

Europe can't solve the problems caused by "rogue states". Neither can US, as has been proved by (at least to this day) miserably failed attempt to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, too.

Solving problems of the world requires unity, and it also requires willingness to submit to common decisions. Democracy cannot work if some people only agree to decisions that suit them, and disregard the ones that cause them disadvantage.


Why oh why did the concept of national states ever develope? :rolleyes:


And Janos... :wtf:

Your comments would be easier to comprehend if you didn't write them in one, grammatically challenged, 92-word sentence. Punctuation is your friend... :nervous:
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Janos on September 16, 2006, 07:27:24 am

And Janos... :wtf:

Your comments would be easier to comprehend if you didn't write them in one, grammatically challenged, 92-word sentence. Punctuation is your friend... :nervous:

Punctuation is the enemy, punctuation must be destroyed. Punctuation is the little death etc. etc.
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Bobboau on September 16, 2006, 07:38:11 am
ok thanks then you can propably shut up about it and let us do it our way ok and also plz don't throw gasoline into this fire we're having enough problems as it is we don't need vitriolic rhetorics which just tense the situation ok right thanks bye oh yeah and one more thing if you even think about using pre-emptive force or something the healthy **** you because it will only make the things worse and more difficult and after that every threepenny tinpot dictator will go for the nuke route

what part of 'you guys deal with it' confuses you?
Title: Re: IAEA: Congressional report of Iran's nukes ""erroneous" and "misleading"
Post by: Herra Tohtori on September 16, 2006, 07:41:10 am
Quote from: Me Myself
Synopsis: US is part of the world. Europe is part of the world. Iran, unsurprisingly, along with all other "rogue states" is part of the same world.

Europe can't solve the problems caused by "rogue states". Neither can US, as has been proved by (at least to this day) miserably failed attempt to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, too.

Solving problems of the world requires unity, and it also requires willingness to submit to common decisions. Democracy cannot work if some people only agree to decisions that suit them, and disregard the ones that cause them disadvantage.


Why oh why did the concept of national states ever develope? :rolleyes: