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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: ZmaN on September 26, 2006, 03:37:36 pm
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Pirating over bittorrent. I got some questions though.
Number 1: I'm not exactly sure how they found me but they did. Appparenty the "ESA Has faith to believe that my IP was pirating stuff." So gay. anyways...
I would like to know though. They did find me using bit torrent, but will they find me using uploading services like megaupload or sendspace or rapidshare? If I take off my port fowarding, will taht stop them from monitoring me? (not that I am installing bit torrent again)
Anyone else ever have this happen to them?
BTW, my cable company is Cablevision, and I use optimum Online.
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I'm not exactly sure how they found me but they did.
Perhaps your massive ammounts of dl/up gives them something to suspect?
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I'm not exactly sure how they found me but they did.
Perhaps your massive ammounts of dl/up gives them something to suspect?
Yeah I did have ALL the sims 2 expansions downloading at once, and all were running at about 150-175 kbps download, 5kpbs upload (i set a limit)...
I jsut wanna know if they can find me on rapidshare! Becasue I found this site that has all sorts of games to download (not all legal :() but they download through uploading services like rapidshare and megaupload.
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Did you not have an IP filter up by any chance?
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Would port forwarding really make a difference? I guess it depends what you're forwarding for. Hmm.
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Firstly, the have to prove it was pirate material you were downloading rather than legit torrents. Secondly, even then they will simply terminate your account for breach of the terms of use.
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Would port forwarding really make a difference? I guess it depends what you're forwarding for. Hmm.
Nope...port forwarding happens between your router/firewall and computer. They still see the IP of the router regadless...your just forwarding ports through the router. They can still shape your traffic by port if they want to.
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Ah, I see now. Thanks for clearing it up! :)
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I had this happen, I think it was from me downloading a huge volume of music for a funeral though, not my BT stuff, unfortunately my Mom never bothered to show me the email, so I don't even know if it was me or perhapse my sister downloading stuff that got us into trouble.
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Bittorrent dosen't like me. I use Azureus. And I only download one thing at a time.
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Azureus is bit torrent.
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I use Ktorrent to download bittorrents
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im not using torrents at all for awhile. lol...
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Whenever I go looking for a torrent of something it invariably doesn't work.
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Did you not have an IP filter up by any chance?
ummmm.. sorta kinda i think i----
no..
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Pirating over bittorrent
How do they know the stuff wasn't legit?
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if youre smart youl run an anti-p2p filter. but that still doesnt keep the cable company off your back, if you blocked their ip then you cant connect. if they looked at what i download all they will find is a bunch of unsigned black metal bands who only want to get their message of hate and evil out and dont give a **** about the means. i only share enough to keep my ratio at 1, and on emule i just leech. its important to keep your share folders relitively empty too, just keep what youre downloading or seeding, and move it when youre done. if youre really anal about it, go find a good proxy, as thats the only way to hide your ip.
as for how they detect. piracy is policed 100% by the organizations whos copywrites are being infringed upon (directly or through investigators, or cartels like the riia). i guess they could have bots that seek out any torrents or hashes of their stuff. for p2p they just look at peoples share folders and hit printscreen. this is whe whole of their evidence. so its important to hide your shares from the public. if you want to release (and if you do i salute you) your gonna have to pay for a high throughput proxy service. another technique for riaa-avoidance ive seen emerging is the use of password archives that require you to go to a forum and ask for it. its not foolproof but if your case is too hard to proove, and if the person looking is payed by the bust, there gonna go after easyer prey.
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but will they find me on rapidshare????????
I found a program called anonymizer. I installed it and when I went to look at my ip on www.whatismyip.com, it came up with the fake IP.
Maybe that should keep them off my tail...
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keep your share folders relitively empty too
That's a must in my experience. A friend of mine was contact by (20th Centuary Fox I think) with a cease and desist order because he was sharing Family Guy .avis over Kazaa. The only way this happened is because he didn't clean out his shared folders.
That said... Piracy is bad, m'kay?
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it doesnt apply to me becasue bitcomet is gone.
can companies track my rapidshare downloads??????
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are you kidding, anyone on the internet can track anything youre doing. its just a matter of not drawing any unneccisary attention.
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are you kidding, anyone on the internet can track anything youre doing. its just a matter of not drawing any unneccisary attention.
Untrue.
Torpark (http://torpark.nfshost.com/) offers anonymity, though at the price of making the connection sloow. It's primarily meant for people who live in China or North Korea or Saudi Arabia or Iran and places like that where... certain... parts of Internet are unaccessible (and being caught of accessing them may result in death penalty).
That's obviously limited to direct downloads. But in theory, if it happened to spew me an US range virtual IP number, I could probably watch Galactica Webisodes through it - that is, if it weren't so bloody slow. :rolleyes:
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I don't see how that thing would help, the computer you use as the proxy would belong to someone and would have it's connectionsloged, and you'd still be able to back track it to the user.
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Azureus is bit torrent.
Torrent = the file that you open up using a client that allows you to download stuff in a P2P connection (like Kazaa and Limewire except not)
BitTorrent = a program that opens up and downloads torrent files
Azureaus = a different program that opens up and downloads torrent files
http://www.bittorrent.com/
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
That help?
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Actually bittorrent is a peer to peer er... system, method, something like that, in which you have torrent files (duh) and bittorrent clients to open said files such as the default client (your 1st link) and the Azureus client (which is the best).
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Azureus is bit torrent.
Torrent = the file that you open up using a client that allows you to download stuff in a P2P connection (like Kazaa and Limewire except not)
BitTorrent = a program that opens up and downloads torrent files
Azureaus = a different program that opens up and downloads torrent files
http://www.bittorrent.com/
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
That help?
Uh... how hard did you actually look at the definition? BitTorrent is the name of the protocall too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_torrent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_torrent) That clear things up?
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crossposting, FTW.
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~15 seconds apart :D
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I have Optimum Online at home. Never had an issue. You must have been suspect to scrutiny for using heavy bandwidth, and upon investigation, they found you.
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using a proxy isnt a 100% fix. ilicit proxys arent always set up right and they may have security holes in them. proxy services are for security not piracy. piracy through them, if detected, would require them, in order to protect their own ass, check their logs and turn you in.
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This topic is treading a fine line. ZmaN's asking how not to get caught pirating, the answer's simple; don't pirate.
No matter what services you use, your ISP will always know how much bandwidth you are using and will investigate data packets you send and receive. If they find majority of your bandwidth used by encrypted packets, then that is a reason enough to be alarmed. Not only that but they are able to trace these packets back to their source, using a proxy will only strenghten their reason to investigate further. Of course, so much depends on your ISP. Some will investigate on their own, some won't care until pressured by authorities and some will require definite proof from said authorities before taking any action.
You can discuss about piracy, P2P and whatever, but helping ZmaN to continue illegal activities is going against the forum rules.
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Azureus is bit torrent.
Torrent = the file that you open up using a client that allows you to download stuff in a P2P connection (like Kazaa and Limewire except not)
BitTorrent = a program that opens up and downloads torrent files
Azureaus = a different program that opens up and downloads torrent files
http://www.bittorrent.com/
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
That help?
Uh... how hard did you actually look at the definition? BitTorrent is the name of the protocall too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_torrent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_torrent) That clear things up?
It was kind of obvious that I meant the client bittorrent when I said "Bittorrent dosen't like me, I use Azureus".
What you're saying is like saying "I can do this" and getting a response like "What? You can of green beans do this?"
That clear things up?
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This topic is treading a fine line. ZmaN's asking how not to get caught pirating, the answer's simple; don't pirate.
No matter what services you use, your ISP will always know how much bandwidth you are using and will investigate data packets you send and receive. If they find majority of your bandwidth used by encrypted packets, then that is a reason enough to be alarmed. Not only that but they are able to trace these packets back to their source, using a proxy will only strenghten their reason to investigate further. Of course, so much depends on your ISP. Some will investigate on their own, some won't care until pressured by authorities and some will require definite proof from said authorities before taking any action.
You can discuss about piracy, P2P and whatever, but helping ZmaN to continue illegal activities is going against the forum rules.
no I'm not pirating anything as of this week and so forth. I'm trying to keep the cable company as far as possible from me right now. Thats partly a reason why my FTP is down...
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"FTP server" set off a red flag for me, as I know it's something that not all cable ISPs allow (servers on their connections).
Found some funny info on Optimum Online. Apparently, they practice a very interesting practice of capping the upload rates of their subscribers by at least 1/3 if they upload at the full connection speed for more than a few minutes. The only evidence they have that this is fully acceptable and that the user is actually getting what they're paying for is a clause in their agreement that says that they'll take whatever means necessary to maintain the security and stability of their servers. Optimum Online does not alert the user that this has happened, and will only inform them once they call that on the fourth occurence of this, their service will be terminated.
The "Boost" version of the service apparently allows servers to be run. I'm guessing that the standard service agreement forbids running a server, since I've only seen the Boost service mentioned with servers (To the exclusion of normal service). The website has no effective way to compare the two, however. Furthermore, OO has apparently stated that capping also applies to servers running on the Boost connection.
So I'd say that by running any kind of server, you're putting your connection speed/existence at risk.
And if you need to ask people whether or not your uploads/downloads with a certain filesharing program can be monitored, I'd make a wild guess that you may be thinking about doing something not entirely legit.
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"FTP server" set off a red flag for me, as I know it's something that not all cable ISPs allow (servers on their connections).
Thanks for reminding me.
I still host game servers from time to time though, and it apparently isn't noticed. :nervous:
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If OptOnline cracked down on game servers, then the greater metropolitan area would be without service :p
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my isp has a good attitude twards people running servers. of course my service has a capped monthly usage, and for every gigabyte over you go they charge you 20 bucks. its also a very slow connection compaired to the 3 megabit cable connections you get elsewhere. theyre are so in the stone ages that they use static ips. infact im thinking about running a freespace dedicated server on my moms computer, i just need to figure out how to run it in the background so she wont notice it while she does ebay.
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well most people who download off my ftp are going at about 200 kpbs, and since we get like upto 2.5 megabits service (and i've tested that), i dont think I ahd ever hit the threshold for that.
I think they saw ALOT of downloading from bittorrent on my part (seeing as I had about 750 going down at one time). That HAS to be it.
However the thing I dont get is that when they indicated the "infringing file", it was the daemon tools setup program. Whcih makes me think that the name of the torrent (sims) triggered this...
Still, no more pirating for me.
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can companies track my rapidshare downloads??????
Because no one who actually knows thing won't answer, I'll do it.
I quess they can. But I seriously doubt that you would be worth all the trouble. Thats my operating philosophy. I don't share much. I operate erraticly, and I live in Finland. Thus I should be generally safe since coming down on me would be way too much trouble than it's worth. :D
They would have to first discover that you download from Rapidshare. Then they need to find out what you dl. Then they need to to find out if that is illegal. That should take some effort and, unless you are a god or mentioned the word t.e.r.r.o.r.i.s.m in email or forum, you are not that interesting. ;)
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can companies track my rapidshare downloads??????
Because no one who actually knows thing won't answer, I'll do it.
I quess they can. But I seriously doubt that you would be worth all the trouble. Thats my operating philosophy. I don't share much. I operate erraticly, and I live in Finland. Thus I should be generally safe since coming down on me would be way too much trouble than it's worth. :D
They would have to first discover that you download from Rapidshare. Then they need to find out what you dl. Then they need to to find out if that is illegal. That should take some effort and, unless you are a god or mentioned the word t.e.r.r.o.r.i.s.m in email or forum, you are not that interesting. ;)
lol..
I guess kinda like spam filters...