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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: BlackDove on October 09, 2006, 05:00:34 pm

Title: Firefox v2.0
Post by: BlackDove on October 09, 2006, 05:00:34 pm
Aside from loading things faster, I just noticed it spell-checks everything you write.

I know a lot of people could use that, so I decided to be nice (read: pompous asshole) and provide you with a link (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/all-rc.html).

Enjoy.

As far as personal experiences go, I don't think I'm crazy. It loads stuff up faster than 1.5 did.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Polpolion on October 09, 2006, 05:09:33 pm
:eek: Built in spell-checker!!!!????

I still got, like V1.3/2 or something like that.

EDIT: Holy... Crap... This = double plus good.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Ford Prefect on October 09, 2006, 05:22:15 pm
Do they have custom themes for 2.0 yet?
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: BlackDove on October 09, 2006, 05:34:13 pm
Not my black one yet, nope, but the Noia will suffice until that one's updated. There are only a handful that are 2.0 compliant.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Bobboau on October 09, 2006, 05:47:40 pm
I've got a large grey box on the bottom of every screen now...
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: BlackDove on October 09, 2006, 08:16:25 pm
Well as long as it improves your grammar before you hit "post", gray boxes or not, I'd say it's worth it.

Smart people usually have a lot to say, which benefits everyone in one way or another, and it's partly wasted when it's incoherent.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Mars on October 09, 2006, 09:05:24 pm
Aside from loading things faster, I just noticed it spell-checks everything you write.

I know a lot of people could use that, so I decided to be nice (read: pompous asshole) and provide you with a link (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/all-rc.html).

Enjoy.

As far as personal experiences go, I don't think I'm crazy. It loads stuff up faster than 1.5 did.

To be honest ASpellfox does this just fine already
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: BlackDove on October 09, 2006, 11:08:33 pm
Yes, but that's optional. This one's embedded in the options to be on by default.

Firefox's tagline should be "Trying to make the internet better by annoying one grammar illiterate blog writing dip**** at a time".

I'm hopeful that people who get the 2.0 will improve their grammar when the thing tells them they can't type.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Scuddie on October 10, 2006, 01:03:30 am
Hopefully 2.0 will focus not so much on trivial things like proof-writing, and actually focus on being more than a pure horse**** browser that consumes more resources than the OS it runs on.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Turey on October 10, 2006, 01:34:13 am
OH MAN THIS IS NICE!


if Firefox crashes, when you start it up the next time, it will ask you if you would like to re-open all the tabs you had open when it crashed!
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Cyker on October 10, 2006, 02:11:12 am
"Firefox 2.0 - Twice as many features ripped off from Opera!"

"Why wait for FireFox 5 when you can have Opera now!"


 :D
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Prophet on October 10, 2006, 02:20:22 am
Trulies. Opera had that feature for some time now. The spell checker sounds cool, but not revolutionary. If I'm in a hurry I use google. That's my proof reader. :)
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Windrunner on October 10, 2006, 05:47:47 am
I hope they fixed the damn memory leaks. That was one thing that bothered me the most about FF. It could sometime allocate up to 150 MB of memory,
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Cyker on October 10, 2006, 10:50:43 am
You can wait for them to fix it, or you can get Opera now! :D

(Okay okay I'll stop... eventually ;))
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Fineus on October 10, 2006, 10:52:50 am
Does anyone know how you can remove the search bar thingy from the interface? I've found options to remove the individual search engines (all but one of them anyway) but I can't get rid of it all together.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: BlackDove on October 10, 2006, 11:03:31 am
You can wait for them to fix it, or you can get Opera now! :D

(Okay okay I'll stop... eventually ;))

Opera is for pussies.

Does anyone know how you can remove the search bar thingy from the interface? I've found options to remove the individual search engines (all but one of them anyway) but I can't get rid of it all together.

Why would you want to?
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Fineus on October 10, 2006, 11:05:51 am
Because I already have Google.co.uk set to my home page and don't need a search bar cluttering up the interface.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Kazan on October 10, 2006, 11:08:15 am
OH MAN THIS IS NICE!


if Firefox crashes, when you start it up the next time, it will ask you if you would like to re-open all the tabs you had open when it crashed!

SessionSaver extension for 1.x
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Kazan on October 10, 2006, 11:08:53 am
I hope they fixed the damn memory leaks. That was one thing that bothered me the most about FF. It could sometime allocate up to 150 MB of memory,

blame the javaVM
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Kazan on October 10, 2006, 11:10:06 am
You can wait for them to fix it, or you can get Opera now! :D

(Okay okay I'll stop... eventually ;))

yeah because we really need ad-supported hackware that does some of the same ****ty things that M$ does (adds new "features" to the standards)
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Cyker on October 10, 2006, 11:23:59 am
You can wait for them to fix it, or you can get Opera now! :D

(Okay okay I'll stop... eventually ;))

yeah because we really need ad-supported hackware that does some of the same ****ty things that M$ does (adds new "features" to the standards)

What the hell are you talking about? Aside from a few deviations, Opera is pretty much as specs compliant as you can get. Firefox has added more 'features' to the standard by far!

And Ad Supported Hackware?!

You're a bit behind the times dude... let me be the first to welcome you to the Year 2006  ;)



Kal: In Opera or FireFox?
In FireFox, Right-click on one of the buttons; You should get a context-menu with Navigation Toolbar, Bookmark Toolbar and Customize...
You can disable some of the tool bars, or Click Customize and then you can Drag the unwanted bits away.

In Opera 9, Right-click on one of the buttons; Again you get a context menu. Click on Customize and from here you can change the Skin, Panel, Toolbar and Button settings. I'm for the search bar you just untick the searchbar and it'll go away :)
Hopefully this will be close enough that you can figure through any differences - I've re-written the interface INIs for my Opera quite heavily, removing stuff I never use and adding things I do use often...

Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: BlackDove on October 10, 2006, 11:29:15 am
Because I already have Google.co.uk set to my home page and don't need a search bar cluttering up the interface.

So set Hard Light as your home page and use the navigator for Google?

And what Opera Fanboy said is right, just drag it away onto the customize window.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Fineus on October 10, 2006, 11:38:53 am
Ahh onto the customisation window. That did the trick. I had already tried dragging it just about everywhere else.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Prophet on October 10, 2006, 11:39:09 am
Enought with the Opera flaming allright? It's a fine browser and I haven't had any problems with it so far. And while I prefer Opera over Firefox, I still don't go around badmouthing Firefox users. IE really is piece of ****, and I have no problems about making fun of it or it's users. But what comes to Opera and Firefox, they are pretty much equally good browsers.

And for the tenth time, Opera is completely ad free.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 10, 2006, 11:43:34 am
Here's something interesting: http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html (http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html)

I don't know if you are already familiar with this, but the test results are... interesting.

Obviously, Firefox 2 test results are for beta version, so they are not really reliable, but other wise I think it gives quite good picture of browser speeds and other properties.


And talking about the standards... Opera 9 was the first browser to completely pass the Acid 2 test (http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2). Later, more browsers have passed it, but Opera was the first one. Firefox 1.5.0.7 does not pass the test. Don't know about FF2, however.

Ads have been away from Opera releases since I don't even remember what version. Perhaps it was 8 something? Whatever.

Besides, Opera has much better mouse gesture features than any FF extensions I've tried. The FF mouse gesture recognition just isn't as good as in Opera. Though that's partially a question of getting used.


On Opera, I particularly like the use of "g" in the address. Type, for example, g Hard Light and it does a Google search on keywords Hard Light. No need to use the search bar. :D
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Shade on October 10, 2006, 12:01:24 pm
FF and Opera are both good browsers, so I really don't see a point of arguing which is better as it's mostly a matter of taste. I prefer FF, some friends of mine prefer Opera... but we all loathe IE in unison ;)

By the way, Firefox will do that way of searching too, if you want it to. Takes all of two minutes to set up. Plus you can set up other keywords for different searches in the address bar as well. In my case for example, if I start with "g" it searches google, with "wiki" it searches the wikipedia, "faq" searches gamefaqs, "myth" the encyclopedia mythica (the #1 resource when you can't come up with a decent Freespace ship name), "dict" searches dictionary.com, and of course just typing a phrase without any keyword does an "I feel lucky" google search on it.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Prophet on October 10, 2006, 12:13:11 pm
Guess what? You can do that in Opera too... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Shade on October 10, 2006, 12:17:50 pm
I expected as much, as I said, they're both good browsers :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Cyker on October 10, 2006, 12:24:10 pm
That's the cool thing about Firefox - The Extensions system is VERY powerful and fairly easy to code for too!

With the right extensions, you can give Firefox all the features Opera has, e.g. mouse gesturing, internal torrent support, crash recovery, on-the-fly page hacking (as in Greasemonkey), improving things like the cookie, popup, download, search and password handling to levels at least as good as Operas (Seriously, do this; FF's baseline handling really sucks...) and more!
Heck, the only things you can't give it are Opera's speed and stability ;)

I'd love to get a similar thing in Opera - You get a *damned* lot of functionality out the box, but that's pretty much it. You can customise what's there to obscene levels, but there is no real facility to extend what it can do as easily as the FF Extensions system (Sorry, but Widgits don't even come close... IMHO they're a horrible waste of code; They don't do anything that can't be done in a Panel...).

That said, I'm not sure I'd trade the Firefox Extensions system for Opera's speed and stability...


Erk... but have I started another flamewar?!  :nervous:

So... uh... how about that Lynx browser..? *runs*
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Shade on October 10, 2006, 12:32:46 pm
Would go well with Pine for email... :D
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Pyro MX on October 10, 2006, 12:41:33 pm
And talking about the standards... Opera 9 was the first browser to completely pass the Acid 2 test (http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2). Later, more browsers have passed it, but Opera was the first one. Firefox 1.5.0.7 does not pass the test. Don't know about FF2, however.

FF2 won't pass Acid2 test since it uses the same engine as FF1.5. However, FF3 will have a new version of the Gecko engine and it should pass Acid2. That said, a browser is not necessarly better than another one because it passes the Acid2 test. Some web pages that displays correctly in FF don't in Opera 9 (altough it can happen that Opera displays pages that FF don't render correctly up to now, I had more display bugs in Opera).
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Scuddie on October 10, 2006, 12:50:36 pm
The one thing Opera suck at is JavaScript...  But I suppose since JavaScript in itself sucks, the implementation of it must also suck.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Mars on October 10, 2006, 10:36:25 pm
To be honest the biggest advantage of FF is extendability... it blows Opera and IE 7 out of the water that way.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Polpolion on October 11, 2006, 02:57:08 pm
anything blows IE out of the water...
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Mathwiz6 on October 11, 2006, 03:21:05 pm
The one thing Opera suck at is JavaScript...  But I suppose since JavaScript in itself sucks, the implementation of it must also suck.

Too true...
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: Scuddie on October 11, 2006, 04:58:03 pm
anything blows IE out of the water...
Say that to someone who doesnt have alot of system memory.
Title: Re: Firefox v2.0
Post by: IceFire on October 11, 2006, 05:00:41 pm
anything blows IE out of the water...
Say that to someone who doesnt have alot of system memory.
The reason they get away with that is because part of IE's memory consumption is hidden in other windows subsystems that are always running because IE is integral to the OS.