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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on October 18, 2006, 01:55:40 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years' time as predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.
Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.
The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.
Interesting stuff.
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That's pretty optimistic, to assume that human race will be around after 3000 years...
And even if it would be around, this guy assumes that the social enviroment remains stable, and unchanged. Frankly, its a nice fantasy, but I don't take it seriously.
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I think there is a dim-witted underclass already emerging within western cultures anyway! :p
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I buy that they can predict the future about as much as...
Well, hell, I've heard brutally blatant con schemes that were more believeable than that.
Though I can understand that the guy has qualifications up the wazoo, it really doesn't seem like much more than a common-sense observation of historic & social trends to get some extra publicity.
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i predict were all gona die during the next 110 or so years
any counterarguments are welcome
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How about this... we make a bet.
In 110 years, if the human race still exists, you pay me (or another person designated by me) $1,000,000, adjusted for inflation/currency change/etc.
In 110 years, if the human race doesn't exist, I'll pay you (or another person that you have designated) $1,000,000, adjusted for inflation/currency change/etc.
Sounds fair to me. ;) :p
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you misread my post i said WE aka the current forum users, not human race.
Im right your wrong.
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I'm assuming thats in dog years and am happy to claim my prize. :p
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I think there is a dim-witted underclass already emerging within western cultures anyway! :p
yes, they're the hollywoodians, or their cousins, the politicians. :p
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years' time as predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.
Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.
The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.
Interesting stuff.
This is the Oliver Curry who holds a Phd “…on the evolution of human moral sentiments — in the Government Department of the LSE.”
http://www.badscience.net/?p=315
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I think there is a dim-witted underclass already emerging within western cultures anyway! :p
yes, they're the hollywoodians, or their cousins, the politicians. :p
I thought it consisted of hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, management consultants, telephone sanitizers and the like, but I guess hollywood actors and politicians would blend in quite nicely.
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Dont forget GTVA command......... :lol:
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Am I the only person who thinks people are unfair to Hollywood?
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That article is so complete bull**** and tripe that I don't even know where to begin. It's offensively retarded.
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well, it makes some of us feel better. those of us that are convinced that our race is pretty much stagnating in that everyone can breed and people with obvious harmful genetic disorders are allowed to pass them on to the next generation.
also, it provides some hope of perhaps a future ruled by the smart people.
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well, it makes some of us feel better. those of us that are convinced that our race is pretty much stagnating in that everyone can breed and people with obvious harmful genetic disorders are allowed to pass them on to the next generation.
also, it provides some hope of perhaps a future ruled by the smart people.
well yeah only that your second sentence effectively destroys the "basis" [read: hazard nonscientific guesswork based on writer's own opinions of what should be] of that idiculous article [read: only good as toilet paper]
edit: If you want to know just what (everything) is wrong with this article and why am I so furious about this even getting "serious" discussion then this sums it up pretty nicely. http://scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts/2006/10/the_nonesense_claim_about_huma.php
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I can't wait to feast on the bones of you lazy Eloi bastards :)
(Cookie for reference)...
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Surely "He carried out the report for men's satellite TV channel Bravo." is enough to show everyone how bollocks this is.
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I can't wait to feast on the bones of you lazy Eloi bastards :)
(Cookie for reference)...
Time Machine
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Cool! I didn't know you could evolve by appointment :D
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"This isn't right. It's not even wrong." -Wolfgang Pauli
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There's way too much world wide interbreeding for that to happen on Earth. Now, if 100,000 years from now we have multiple extra-terrestrial human colonies like I think we will then yes we will split into subspecies, but each subspecies will exist on seperate planets and will be adapted to their local environment, not an intellegent vs. dim-witted split. This is Hitleresque social darwanism bull****. As time progresses, interbreeding will only increase, not decrease, and species division will occur if and only if populations are too isolated from each other to transfer genes. :rolleyes:
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Since when was the last time someone asked a girl or guy in a nightclub their IQ anyway?? Their age I can understand, but never in my life have I heard...
'Sorry, I can't have casual sex with you, you aren't intelligent enough for me.'
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ive used that one, actually.
i despise the dumb.
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but there is a trend for people to stick within there own socal strata, you don't find milionares marrying coal miners very oftine. granted current trends are no were near good enough to cause a split.
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ive used that one, actually.
i despise the dumb.
you don't get laid very often do you
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but there is a trend for people to stick within there own socal strata, you don't find milionares marrying coal miners very oftine. granted current trends are no were near good enough to cause a split.
I think thats bang on. Rich, smart, and attractive (as defined by the notion of the day) people tend to marry and have children with others of similar status. I already think there is a split in the human race. Its not genetic yet...its almost purely social but its been around for a while and it continues to perpetuate. Give it thousands of years and you may start to see genetic divergence. But I suspect not nearly as much as this guy is saying...humans are too sex driven to save up for just the good ones...too many people spreading their genes around at random.
Something would need to seriously change in the way that humans view sexuality for this reality to come true. Its a little pie in the sky.
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That article is so complete bull**** and tripe that I don't even know where to begin. It's offensively retarded.
Hmm. As opposed to defensively retarded?
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The Upper class/Middle class/Lower class divide isn't strong enough for this, and to be honest, I doubt it ever will be.
We're all just going to continue a species-wide steady downward evolutionary path here in the next few thousand years until we're all apes again. Unless of course, you throw genetic engineering into the mix.
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Negative, evolution is driven by extinction. When a species is isolated from its counterparts, and local populations are driven to the verge of extinction, interbreeding between closely related members drives mutations, which accelerate evolution. There are simply too many people, and world-wide and cross-class interbreeding is so prevalant that evolution, upward or downward, is simply impossible. Only if groups of the human race become completely and totally isolated from others will groups evolve to a point where interbreeding becomes impossible. This simply won't happen on Earth, but possibly on extraterrestrial colonies isolated from Earth in the future.
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but there is a trend for people to stick within there own socal strata, you don't find milionares marrying coal miners very oftine. granted current trends are no were near good enough to cause a split.
Who are you kidding, the miners are the millionaires! :p
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Don't be fooled, this "theory" is nothing more than bogus social darwinism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_darwinism).
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but there is a trend for people to stick within there own socal strata, you don't find milionares marrying coal miners very oftine. granted current trends are no were near good enough to cause a split.
Who are you kidding, the miners are the millionaires! :p
Miners get paid pretty damn well. Most around here make a minimum of 14-20 dollars an hour. The mines being coal mines.
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but there is a trend for people to stick within there own socal strata, you don't find milionares marrying coal miners very oftine. granted current trends are no were near good enough to cause a split.
Around here, the minimum starting salary for an operator is a mine is around 80000 a year - if you've got any experience at all that hikes straight up to 100 000, once you've got serious experience and you're not just a grunt any more (e.g. shift manager or whatever) you're getting up into the 150 k plus range, and this is all still base rates - you get Super on top of that, as well as paid leave and stuff, plus you're generally working fly in fly out, so generally on either 2 weeks on, one week off or a nine days on five days off rotation (though some companies do better than that - 6 and 4 is getting common, and I know BHP were running 4 and 4 at one point. Even non miners make ridiculous amounts of money by working on or near the mines - cleaners and dioshwashers are on 100k plus and the same rotation - one bloke went up north and manages a fast food shop and he's on 2000 a week.
Money's even better if you go offshore and woirk in oil and gas. Miners and those working around them are bloody rolling in it.
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:doubt:... a burgerflipper...
better?
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That article is so complete bull**** and tripe that I don't even know where to begin. It's offensively retarded.
Hmm. As opposed to defensively retarded?
No! Fool!
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cylons
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We need genetic engineering!
Or eugenics programs :doubt:
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i despise the dumb.
If you've attended public schools, then I can understand completely.
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:lol: I hate dumb people I just want to rip out their voice box so I don't have to hear them anymore.:hopping::lol:
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We need genetic engineering!
Or eugenics programs :doubt:
All hail the Black Lance, :D
*wishful thinking* Hmmm, genselect bomb, .........
or Casino Royale style- kill everyone over 5ft2 and make all women attractive lol/
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We need genetic engineering!
Or eugenics programs :doubt:
or Casino Royale style- kill everyone over 5ft2 and make all women attractive lol/
Welcome to the secret lair of Dr. Noah... *cue 60s villain music*
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This is the Oliver Curry who holds a Phd “…on the evolution of human moral sentiments — in the Government Department of the LSE.”
It's also the same Oliver Curry who is predicting we will all have bigger dicks or bigger breasts in the future.
http://www.badscience.net/?p=316#more-316