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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on October 20, 2006, 09:45:31 pm
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First it was DVD sniffing dogs, now this
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Scouts_Piracy_Patch.html
LOS ANGELES -- A Boy Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, etc., etc. He is also respectful of copyrights.
Boy Scouts in the Los Angeles area will now be able to earn a merit patch for learning about the evils of downloading pirated movies and music.
The patch shows a film reel, a music CD and the international copyright symbol, a "C" enclosed in a circle.
The movie industry has developed the curriculum.
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There are still enough boy scouts to make a difference?
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This is so unlike the Boy Scouts. They're usually such a free-thinking organization.
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How come I'm starting to think of Carnivorous Letter C (http://carnivorousletterc.ytmnd.com/) every time Copyrights are mentioned? :lol:
But hey, that would be a kick-ass scout patch: Carnivorous Copyrighted C chewing a pirate... :mad2: :nervous: :lol:
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This is so unlike the Boy Scouts. They're usually such a free-thinking organization.
I just thought they were gay.
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Thats a bit harsh is it not?
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Is it really? A congregation of boys around a campfire, all sleeping together out in the nature.
I don't think it gets any more gay than that.
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Is it really? A congregation of boys around a campfire, all sleeping together out in the nature.
I don't think it gets any more gay than that.
i think sticking your dick into someone's butt would be gayer than that but i could be wrong
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Well I'd assume under the setting, that's what they'd be doing. I was contemplating the amount of gayness one can score on the "Richter scale of Homosexuality" regarding the setting, not the actual act of being gay, because I was fairly sure everyone knew what "gay" entails.
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Well I'd assume under the setting, that's what they'd be doing. I was contemplating the amount of gayness one can score on the "Richter scale of Homosexuality" regarding the setting, not the actual act of being gay, because I was fairly sure everyone knew what "gay" entails.
dude it's not gay if the balls don't touch
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Ugh. :wtf:
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First it was DVD sniffing dogs, now this
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Scouts_Piracy_Patch.html
LOS ANGELES -- A Boy Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, etc., etc. He is also respectful of copyrights.
Boy Scouts in the Los Angeles area will now be able to earn a merit patch for learning about the evils of downloading pirated movies and music.
The patch shows a film reel, a music CD and the international copyright symbol, a "C" enclosed in a circle.
The movie industry has developed the curriculum.
So the Boy Scouts are being taught that downloading music and movies without paying for them is wrong and deprives people of money?
Sounds horrible. :rolleyes:
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Heh, yeah, must go with Nuclear on this one, Boy Scouts has always been about teaching 'good society skills' to youths in the guise of having fun, no-one would raise an eyebrow if they got an 'I don't shoplift' badge for example....
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Enough with the boy scout flaming, if you guys are so pathetic that you're actually going to joke (or seriously believe) that being a scout = homosexuality then you can leave right now before I have to ban you. Yes BlackDove, I'm talking to you.
As for this anti piracy badge... well it's a fairly inoffensive way of trying to teach people not to steal software/music/whatever. If they think it'll have any major effect on the amount of people who download stuff then they're mistaken, but it's not something I can see as worth getting wound up over.
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I don't quite give a **** who you're talking to.
My hypothesis that boy scouts are the perfect breeding grounds from turning latent homosexuality into active should be fairly on point. Not to mention it can also be used as a guiding stone for people to sway towards homosexuality before trying heterosexuality.
And it's your own fault if you assume that me outing boy scouts is any kind of "flaming". I don't recall saying homosexuality is a bad thing. If you think so though, that's your own god damn problem.
Now either ban me for no good reason whatsoever (well... maybe you can ban me on account that I'm off topic, I see that's a grave crime around here) so you can have your show of power or get the **** out of my face.
Hmm I wonder if I said "****" and "****" enough times to show my contempt for "The Man" clueless about what his business should be...
Now that's another thing to contemplate. I guess I'll have time for that after this post.
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Yes, you will. I've just been waiting for a reason for a while.
See you in a week :)
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now they need a merit badge for knowing why its bad to mix art with buisness.
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Yes, you will. I've just been waiting for a reason for a while.
See you in a week :)
Yay! Let's see how many more BWO testers we can ban :doubt:
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I think it's more a question of how many get themselves banned.
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Well, that was... refreshing.
My objection to this badge is that it seems to have corporate sponsorship - where does that end?
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Children©
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Well, that was... refreshing.
My objection to this badge is that it seems to have corporate sponsorship - where does that end?
Well, it's not as if it's blatant advertising or the like--educating the scouts on how movies are made and exactly how much work goes into the process to help them realize just how much a kick in the nuts piracy is isn't particularly evil.
Yes, you will. I've just been waiting for a reason for a while.
See you in a week :)
Yay! Let's see how many more BWO testers we can ban :doubt:
Well, tell them to not shoot off their mouths then. :)
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Holy crap. They're turning boy scouts into something that some wuss pussy assed little boy can do.
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I much prefer girlscout cookies to another pioneer movement.
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My scout troop was designated by some as the a**hole troop. At night at camp, we all dressed in black (facepaint too) and raided other troop camp sites. We had an arsenal of super soakers, water grenades, and airhorns. And Blackdove, grow the hell up.
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My scout troop was designated by some as the a**hole troop. At night at camp, we all dressed in black (facepaint too) and raided other troop camp sites. We had an arsenal of super soakers, water grenades, and airhorns. And Blackdove, grow the hell up.
:wtf: Hitler Youth Much?
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My scout troop was designated by some as the a**hole troop. At night at camp, we all dressed in black (facepaint too) and raided other troop camp sites. We had an arsenal of super soakers, water grenades, and airhorns. And Blackdove, grow the hell up.
hahahahhahah awesome :yes: Getting back to basics.
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My scout troop was designated by some as the a**hole troop. At night at camp, we all dressed in black (facepaint too) and raided other troop camp sites. We had an arsenal of super soakers, water grenades, and airhorns. And Blackdove, grow the hell up.
The closest thing I ever did to that was have a big capture the flag game my troop vs. another troop at like midnight.
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My scout troop was designated by some as the a**hole troop. At night at camp, we all dressed in black (facepaint too) and raided other troop camp sites. We had an arsenal of super soakers, water grenades, and airhorns. And Blackdove, grow the hell up.
:wtf: Hitler Youth Much?
:wtf: How the hell do you get Hitler Youth from that?
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Probably because they were wearing black. I'm going to assume it was a joke.
Our troop (or a few of us) did the same sort of thing TA.. It extended to such (hilarious) practical jokes as:
- Moving another troops toilet tent inside a larger marquis tent and then pitching it. They had just moved in so it wasn't a dirty job.
- Taking a load of Brownies little stuffed animals (and the chairs they had bought for them) from outside their individual tents one night and sitting them in a circle around a neighbouring camp fire.
- Stealing one of the girls underwear and tying it to the top of one of the tents where she couldn't reach it (we were a mixed sex troop). (She then got me back by getting some of my own underwear and tying it up a flag pole so that when the flag was unfurled - my boxers were there for all to see).
Those were some of the memorable ones. We were a childish bunch but it was a laugh all the same.
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Probably because they were wearing black. I'm going to assume it was a joke.
Kal has won many intarnets! This place is getting too serious...
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I wasn't offended or anything, I was more confused on where you got Hitler Youth out of that. I'm afeared I'm not much edjimucated on the happenings of the Hitler Youth, so I frankly didn't understand the reference.
Man, this place is getting way too serious.
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Hitler Youth was used much like the pioneer movement as a form of having children spy for their government. The hitler youthturned in their own parents if they saw them doing anything ani-nazi germany. The pioneer movement turned in people to the KGB if thy saw anything anti-communist. Now the boyscouts turn people in to the MPAA for seeing people rip or download music.
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Well, sure, wouldn't you tell the police or the cashier if you saw someone walk out of the store after stashing a CD in their sweater? This isn't turning people in for being "unpatriotic" or the like, but for blatantly stealing music.
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well, they may not be gay, but theyre certainly taking the MPAA's shaft.
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Well, sure, wouldn't you tell the police or the cashier if you saw someone walk out of the store after stashing a CD in their sweater? This isn't turning people in for being "unpatriotic" or the like, but for blatantly stealing music.
well if you were in space wouldn't you have a hard time breathing?
analogy: irrelivent.
copying!=stealing.
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Hitler Youth was used much like the pioneer movement as a form of having children spy for their government. The hitler youthturned in their own parents if they saw them doing anything ani-nazi germany. The pioneer movement turned in people to the KGB if thy saw anything anti-communist. Now the boyscouts turn people in to the MPAA for seeing people rip or download music.
To be fair their training also included open warfare with each other while at "camp". Full on fisticuffs and raids on each others positions.
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If anyone has a full 40gb Ipod with fully legal songs, I would laugh at them so much. Assuming about 75 cents (US) per song and about 7mb per song, they spent about $4300 (US) on songs. Then again, I wouldn't know... :nervous:
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Well, sure, wouldn't you tell the police or the cashier if you saw someone walk out of the store after stashing a CD in their sweater? This isn't turning people in for being "unpatriotic" or the like, but for blatantly stealing music.
well if you were in space wouldn't you have a hard time breathing?
analogy: irrelivent.
copying!=stealing.
Ripping pages out of books, photocopying them, and putting them back together = a long process of illegally copying books that deprives the publisher and author of money.
Ripping songs out of CDs, copying them, and someone else putting them on a new CD = a slightly-less time-consuming process that still deprives producer and artist of money.
Better?
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You don't deprive anyone of any money if you never had any intention of buying said CD/Book/Buttseks. Most music I download I would never think of buying, so by downloading there's simply no loss whatsoever to anyone, and a gain for myself. A truly victimless crime, like extortion, or murder.
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i go for the try-before-you-buy methodology. imagine how pissed off i would be if i decided to buy 3 doors down's second and/or third cd's because i liked the first one.
i did the same thing with caesar iv. if i had actually bought that game and been unable to play it, i would have been ****ing pissed. now im just kind of annoyed instead.
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i go for the try-before-you-buy methodology. imagine how pissed off i would be if i decided to buy 3 doors down's second and/or third cd's because i liked the first one.
i did the same thing with caesar iv. if i had actually bought that game and been unable to play it, i would have been ****ing pissed. now im just kind of annoyed instead.
I usually try to do that, except when I try, I usually forget to do the buy part.
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You don't deprive anyone of any money if you never had any intention of buying said CD/Book/Buttseks. Most music I download I would never think of buying, so by downloading there's simply no loss whatsoever to anyone, and a gain for myself. A truly victimless crime, like extortion, or murder.
:wtf: What's your method of thinking here? You're still downloading it and obtaining without buying it, whether you like it or not; that's exactly what I've been saying is wrong. You gain it without the artist or producer getting anything back.
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But the artist wouldn't be receiving money either way! What i'm saying is that my downloading a CD when I had no intention to buy it in no way deprives the original artist of any monies whatsoever. In fact, one may argue that when I download a CD, I may be enticed to pay for a legit version, or recommend it to my peers, thus earning the artist more money than would have originally been capable.
Anyway, all that aside, most of these people live in considerably larger houses than most and work far less than the average joe, so i'm not exactly all that enthusiastic to defend their wallets to begin with. :doubt:
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furthermore the downloading of the wares in no way costs the companies/individuals anything, and does not impede the sale of said wares to other people.
aside;
I have bought far more CDs sence I started downloading music than I ever would have before.
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Just a thought; is borrowing a legit CD off a friend and listening to it considered piracy? What about if you sell a "legally obtained" CD in a garage sale?
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what about recording off the radio?
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All these examples show that pirating music is like pirating books; it just doesn't make any ****ing sense whatsoever and any complaints are unfounded and pure bull****. Seriously, let's get some proper figures not tainted by the bull****-artists in the RPAA/MPAA/ETC and see whether or not it's a serious issue, or just an urban myth perpetuated by greedy ****tards.
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Just a thought; is borrowing a legit CD off a friend and listening to it considered piracy? What about if you sell a "legally obtained" CD in a garage sale?
First: no. Your friend's copy was purchased, and you're not copying it, are you? Second: no.
furthermore the downloading of the wares in no way costs the companies/individuals anything, and does not impede the sale of said wares to other people.
aside;
I have bought far more CDs sence I started downloading music than I ever would have before.
I've got no problem with try-and-buy; I've got Real Rhapsody on right this second, actually, and I always try out new CDs before going out to buy them. What I'm against is downloading music and then not buying the CD. Then again, I've got a very select few artists who I'll actually listen to, so I don't spend a whole lot of money buying CDs, so opinions here may vary.
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The problem is that there is no attempt at compromise, punters know they are getting screwed over by the Music Industry, the Music Industry knows that many people prefer to pirate music rather than buy it, and the ones that download the music know that the prices are only really an excuse because it wouldn't matter what they cost, free would be cheaper.
Until the Sabre rattling and threats and bullying stop and each one accepts that the other has a point, nothing is ever going to change.
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so would it be stealing if I saw some device on sale at my local hardware store, and decided to fabricate one of my own by looking at the original and copying every part out of stuff I had around the house?
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No, that's not odd. That's you using equipment that you've already bought to make a finished product.
Which has nothing to do with CDs and pirating music. What you're talking about is ripping CDs and burning new ones with songs you've compiled from CDs around the house. Nothing wrong there--you've bought the CDs. Problem is, if seeing the shiny new device at the store is like seeing a new CD you need, then chances are you don't have the songs on that CD already, unless, of course, you download them illegally. Either way, that's one of the oddest comparisons I've seen in a long time.
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they are both examples of copying something, one case you consider it stealing another case you consider it just fine.
ok, fine, lets change it a little sence you seem to have a problem with that. ok, so lets say a friend of yours just bought the device, and you come over and take it apart and figure out how it works using all sorts of tools and raw materials and make a new one. how is that any different than going to your friend and using tools (computer/rip/burn software) and materials (blank CDRs) to make a copy of it?
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Your friend bought the device, and you took it apart to find out how it worked, and then used materials from around the house to build one yourself. Sounds like a great learning experience, but not pirating.
The only equivalence we can get here is literally waiting on the highway until a box with the device falls off the back of a truck (or just stealing one out of the store; same difference). That way, you don't pay for it at all, whereas with disassembling, you use stuff you've already bought to replicate it.
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well what is the difference between what I described and going over to your friend's house and copying there CD?
what is the difference between going to your friend's house and copying there CD and going to a random stranger's house and (with there permission, let's say you heard the music playing outside, you went up and asked if you could make a copy) and copying there CD?
what is the difference between going over to a person's house and copying there CD and having them sending you a copy?
why would having the medium of transportation being the internet change anything?
why would making a copy of a copy be any different?
generally, every song you get off the internet came from a CD that was bought, sometimes it's from a radio, it generally was at one point in time 'legally' owned by someone.
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Because plagiarism exists.
There is a difference between making your own stuff and copying down something and claiming its yours.
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Just a thought; is borrowing a legit CD off a friend and listening to it considered piracy? What about if you sell a "legally obtained" CD in a garage sale?
First: no. Your friend's copy was purchased, and you're not copying it, are you? Second: no.
Although for the second you could be considered a missed sale, i.e. the record label could be missing out on a sale of a new cd/tape/8-track/record :P
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Hey, what about making 'back-up' copies of library materials? Is that okay? :nervous:
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...well crap. Suddenly I'm glad I didn't stay on with the troop as an assistant scoutmaster after turning 18.
On the other hand, it does say LA-area only, and I'm fairly certain that you can't just unilaterally declare a new badge, National has to approve it. So somebody is going to get fired.