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Title: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Unknown Target on October 31, 2006, 02:48:39 pm
And it looks like it's NK:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea

Looks like they realized their mistake pretty quick after the entire world turned on them and didn't roll over like they thought we all would :)
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Mr. Vega on October 31, 2006, 05:26:01 pm
Or Kim Jong Il is just schizo.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Kosh on October 31, 2006, 05:55:16 pm
Either it means that they blinked because they were scared, or it means they don't have that second nuke ready to test.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: achtung on October 31, 2006, 08:47:37 pm
Either it means that they blinked because they were scared, or it means they don't have that second nuke ready to test.

First the second part, then the first.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: WeatherOp on October 31, 2006, 10:16:22 pm
Hurray for gas prices! ;7
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: aldo_14 on November 01, 2006, 03:05:55 am
It's largely down to the Chinese getting pissed off enough to cut oil aid to NK.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 01, 2006, 03:47:17 am
Thank got that Team America were around to save us :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: IPAndrews on November 01, 2006, 09:14:37 am
Bush is a dick, and Kim Jong Il is an asshole.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Fragrag on November 01, 2006, 09:24:32 am
Bush is a dick, and Kim Jong Il is an asshole.

Whoever adds to that analogy dies..
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: vyper on November 01, 2006, 10:29:39 am
Tony Blair is a pussy?
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 01, 2006, 10:57:21 am
Valid point :lol:
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: bloated on November 01, 2006, 11:36:46 am
Bush is a dick, and Kim Jong Il is an asshole.
Whoever adds to that analogy dies..

sad but true and both are tyrants in their own special way.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: vyper on November 01, 2006, 11:44:10 am
A bold statement, to be sure... :drevil:
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Roanoke on November 01, 2006, 12:05:54 pm
I was surprised to read SK have been providing aid to NK since NK's farm system collapsed circa '97......
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: aldo_14 on November 01, 2006, 12:12:53 pm
I was surprised to read SK have been providing aid to NK since NK's farm system collapsed circa '97......

NK might be a threat, but the last thing SK wants is for them to totally collapse and consequently send millions of food-seeking, poverty-striken and starving refugees into Seoul.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Bobboau on November 01, 2006, 01:26:44 pm
well would that be worse than sending in millions of explosive laden projectiles?
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: aldo_14 on November 01, 2006, 01:51:47 pm
well would that be worse than sending in millions of explosive laden projectiles?

It's a hell of a lot more likely.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Rictor on November 01, 2006, 04:42:41 pm
I feel I should draw your attention to this 'ere article
http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-20/a_north_korean_blaze_of_glory_.html

It makes a pretty bold conclusion, basically that because the NK government hates Japan more than anything, finally has a weapon and delivery mechanism to strike at them and knows it has no future as a viable government or nation, NK will nuke Japan then surrender to South Korea before anyone can strike back.

Pretty far out, I know, but admit it: it makes for a hell of a lot better reading than the usual news.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: bloated on November 02, 2006, 12:13:49 pm
NK will nuke Japan then surrender to South Korea before anyone can strike back.

interesting but it would require something that isn't true.

the current regime is living better than the populace as is the military, they get everything the ppl get nothing why give that up.

it's also doubtful that they would evere surrender to South Korea..... hating Japan is a luxury they can afford nuking Japan is not.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Roanoke on November 02, 2006, 12:48:45 pm
NK will nuke Japan then surrender to South Korea before anyone can strike back.

interesting but it would require something that isn't true.

the current regime is living better than the populace as is the military, they get everything the ppl get nothing why give that up.

it's also doubtful that they would evere surrender to South Korea..... hating Japan is a luxury they can afford nuking Japan is not.

that would actually be an interesting moral and political dilema. Can't really return the favour if NK surredners, but then how could they be allowed to get away with such a thing ?
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Ulala on November 02, 2006, 03:40:09 pm
Make them pay like everyone made Germany pay? :rolleyes: Not like they could really afford it anyway.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: vyper on November 02, 2006, 04:08:19 pm
Ahuh, cause we all know how well that ended...
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Ulala on November 02, 2006, 04:11:40 pm
Right.

Clarification: I didn't mean that should actually be done. I'll add the sarcasm smiley to my previous post.
[edit]Ah, much better. [/edit]
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Janos on November 03, 2006, 09:08:52 am
NK will nuke Japan then surrender to South Korea before anyone can strike back.

interesting but it would require something that isn't true.

the current regime is living better than the populace as is the military, they get everything the ppl get nothing why give that up.

it's also doubtful that they would evere surrender to South Korea..... hating Japan is a luxury they can afford nuking Japan is not.

Yeah that, and they should sue for peace as soon as they launch the nuke and seriously, I don't think that would stop US (and now call me tinfoil, but Japan has everything needed for a nuke, it's just not put together) from counterstriking at once. Propably even before a nuke hits Tokyo.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: bloated on November 03, 2006, 12:31:42 pm
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Yeah that, and they should sue for peace as soon as they launch the nuke and seriously
hooray I found the insert quote's option..... :)

anyway calling a truce after dropping a nuke won't work, I'm surprised it's even mentioned.

Iraq didn't do anything but sit around for 12 years and get accused and they've since been destroyed, regime toppled and are currently saying bye bye to any and all of their oil revenue.

North Korea is still around because they haven't used nukes but once you play that card you don't get it back.

sueing for peace would require North Korea to have about 100 reliable and accurate Nukes, then using 1 would just piss everyone off and trigger a new cold war.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Unknown Target on November 04, 2006, 11:33:16 am
I feel I should draw your attention to this 'ere article
http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-20/a_north_korean_blaze_of_glory_.html

It makes a pretty bold conclusion, basically that because the NK government hates Japan more than anything, finally has a weapon and delivery mechanism to strike at them and knows it has no future as a viable government or nation, NK will nuke Japan then surrender to South Korea before anyone can strike back.

Pretty far out, I know, but admit it: it makes for a hell of a lot better reading than the usual news.

Funny thing; Korea is saying that Japan must withdraw from the nuclear talks, because they're "political imbeciles": http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_nuclear_japan.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Roanoke on November 04, 2006, 03:47:02 pm
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Yeah that, and they should sue for peace as soon as they launch the nuke and seriously
hooray I found the insert quote's option..... :)

anyway calling a truce after dropping a nuke won't work, I'm surprised it's even mentioned.

Iraq didn't do anything but sit around for 12 years and get accused and they've since been destroyed, regime toppled and are currently saying bye bye to any and all of their oil revenue.

North Korea is still around because they haven't used nukes but once you play that card you don't get it back.

sueing for peace would require North Korea to have about 100 reliable and accurate Nukes, then using 1 would just piss everyone off and trigger a new cold war.

I doubt there'd be a cold war as N/K has no real allies and communisim is pretty much outta business too.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: vyper on November 04, 2006, 04:01:03 pm
Arms races have a habit of getting out hand though. Push the Japs far enough, they'll start pushing back. Remember
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Flipside on November 04, 2006, 07:15:48 pm
The thing is, a lot of people remember things about the Japanese soldiers being told to grow beards to fit in during their tours in Iraq etc, many don't realise that, now that the post-war agreements are starting to be nullified, Japans biggest weakness is numbers, but they more than make up for that in ingenuity. If I were North Korea, I really wouldn't want to piss off Japan.
Title: Re: Someone finally backed down in the North Korea nuke talks
Post by: Rictor on November 04, 2006, 07:58:27 pm
Yeah, especially with Japan's pacifist period seemingly at an end after 60 years. You've got a bunch of hardliners in government, many of them from influential nationalist families, who are again coming around to the view that it is right and proper that Asia bow to the Land of the Rising Sun. It certainly doesn't bode well for North Korea, who have no realistic chance of matching Japan politically or economically. Which is why I think that they may be just crazy enough to go out in a blaze of glory, knowing that it is the only way they can ever hurt Japan.