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Title: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Mustang19 on November 13, 2006, 10:40:29 am
Have any of you guys noticed that there is a Terran installation but no Shivan or Vasudan equivalent? Does this imply anything canon-wise, like the Terrans are the only people at home in space and Vasudans only use space for transporting materials from planet to planet? Or maybe there are plenty of Vasudan and Shivan installations, it's just that none of the missions take place deep enough inside their territory for you to see one. In fact, in the whole FS1 campaign, you only see an Arcadia twice (one during the mission where you escort the shield prototypes, the other time is the Joutenheim). I just got FS2 so I haven't played through the whole campaign yet, but it doesn't look like it uses the Arcadia very much either.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 13, 2006, 10:51:52 am
We never saw earth during the FS2 campaign, bu tyou assume that it exists  :P
Meh.........
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Mobius on November 13, 2006, 12:28:20 pm
We will never see a Shivan Installation:seeing it means penetrating deeply in their territory,which is impossible.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Unknown Target on November 13, 2006, 01:46:21 pm
And IIRC the GTI Ganymede is a combo of both GTA and PVN tech.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Goober5000 on November 13, 2006, 04:18:33 pm
Or maybe there are plenty of Vasudan and Shivan installations, it's just that none of the missions take place deep enough inside their territory for you to see one.

Probably.  But lots of modders have made their own Vasudan and Shivan installations.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 13, 2006, 05:35:22 pm
is that really as many times as you see an Arcadia Installation???
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Goober5000 on November 13, 2006, 05:58:26 pm
No, it appears twice in the FS1 campaign (three times if you count the FSPort credits mission) and twice in Silent Threat (three times if you count Arcadia debris).
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 13, 2006, 06:37:45 pm
still, that's not a lot compared to my campaign...OPPPPSSS, I've said too much...  ;)
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Iron Wolf on November 13, 2006, 06:45:23 pm
Perhaps the Vasudans use arcadias modifed for them? Like the argo in mission 26m return to Babel. It seemes to be modifed for Vasudan use, judging by the head animation.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 13, 2006, 06:57:27 pm
Or maybe there are plenty of Vasudan and Shivan installations, it's just that none of the missions take place deep enough inside their territory for you to see one.

Probably.  But lots of modders have made their own Vasudan and Shivan installations.

Quite ugly ones, at that...

EDIT: Forgot the :p.



:p
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Titan on November 13, 2006, 07:10:46 pm
/spoiler/ who says we'll never get far into shivan territory.... we'll get in there without getting our butt kicked. read this carefully a couple dozen time and you'll see were i'm heading... think politics.....hope you catch on... ;7 /spoiler/
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Dark Hunter on November 13, 2006, 07:38:33 pm
Quite ugly ones, at that...

EDIT: Forgot the :p.



:p

I don't think the Cairo or the Karnak look all that ugly...
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on November 13, 2006, 08:10:03 pm
And IIRC the GTI Ganymede is a combo of both GTA and PVN tech.
How is that possible? It was developed before the alliance.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 13, 2006, 08:40:38 pm
Quite ugly ones, at that...

EDIT: Forgot the :p.



:p

I don't think the Cairo or the Karnak look all that ugly...

The cairo looks like a squid, and the karnak like a steering wheel...
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Dark Hunter on November 13, 2006, 08:55:29 pm
And the Arcadia looks like someone took a gigantic drill to its midsection. Seroiusly, what is with that hole right through the center? The docking bay is in another place, and you couldn't squeeze a capship in there...
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 13, 2006, 09:05:28 pm
The docking bay is "outside" the installation, on that disc-like protrusion.

If you're talking about the fighter bay, it's well hidden, small, and, IMHO, in a really good spot for an Installation.

I think they might have that hole in the installation so that access to either side is easier. Think about it, if fighters are dispatched from the fighter bay, it's a hop, skip, and a jump through that hole to get to the other side, rather than having to go all the way around....
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Trivial Psychic on November 13, 2006, 09:25:41 pm
The other Arcadia seen in FS1 (not including ST), not including the GTI Riviera in the opening cutscene, would be the Beta Aquilae instellation, right before the Lucifer torches it ("Failure to Communicate"?)

I agree that the Karnak isn't a terrific example of a Vasudan station, in that it looks too much like a copy of DS9.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: BlackDove on November 13, 2006, 10:20:41 pm
The Ganymede as a station has to be of TV design.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Dysko on November 14, 2006, 12:41:45 am
In the last mission of "Operation Templar" the HoL uses an Arcadia, IIRC.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Titan on November 14, 2006, 03:52:11 pm
ya, i dont get that part..... why an arcadia? probably because in the mission before that they say it's the last hamma o' light destroyer.....
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Nuclear1 on November 14, 2006, 08:03:10 pm
ya, i dont get that part..... why an arcadia? probably because in the mission before that they say it's the last hamma o' light destroyer.....

That's because they're too different ships. Outpost Nagada was the Arcadia, and the Tanis was the destroyer.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Mad Bomber on November 14, 2006, 08:09:49 pm
Thought of another Vasudan installation. The GVI Ogdoad from Casualties of War.

(AKA the space flower/orange juicer)
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: wtf_cl0vvn on November 14, 2006, 08:18:55 pm
My guess about the installations is that they only put them in the central areas of systems, around core planets, or wherever they have some already established strong military (permanent) presence, so that theyre no that vulnerable. Therefore, since you never really see those places in FS1, they dont really have a lot of them.

And, since, you never really see the Vasudan home systems either, there's no real need for the GVI. and same for the shivan equivalent, but to a greater extent.


Excuse me if I came across as a total newb...i'm pretty new here.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Mad Bomber on November 14, 2006, 08:24:05 pm
Actually that was well said. :)

Welcome to HLP. I'd do the big Beam Welcome (TM) but I'm too lazy :p
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 14, 2006, 08:33:13 pm
I'd actually rather you didnt use that stupid beam anyway :p
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 14, 2006, 09:15:56 pm
this one?:

:welcome:
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 14, 2006, 09:22:48 pm
:mad: yes...
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: spartan_0214 on November 14, 2006, 09:26:18 pm
:nervous: Sorry.....couldn't help it, my n00b-trigger finger's getting itchy.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 15, 2006, 03:31:43 am
I always thought of Zods as predominantly a colonial society, Vas Prime obviously being akin to Sol, Once gone all refugees would bust a groove to planetary colonies like the one in the opening mission "surrender belesarius"





Hee Hee, WTF CLOWN,

A beam proff Noob, this cant be right.......*consults the book of HLP apocalypse*


Yep its there, one of the first signs...

"Around the time your most handsome member leaves, a noob will deny the beam of welcoming. This heralds the forthcoming end "



So we gotta beam ya although i am technically not leaving for good, unless the Admins change the web address by Magick.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: wtf_cl0vvn on November 15, 2006, 12:10:42 pm
lol...i do not wish to deny the welcome beam...lets not spell the end for HLP.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Blue Haired Maniac on November 15, 2006, 01:23:29 pm
No, it appears twice in the FS1 campaign (three times if you count the FSPort credits mission) and twice in Silent Threat (three times if you count Arcadia debris).
And in the FS2 campaign, the Arcadia Installation appears twice (three times if you count the one training mission)...
Enif Station (Epsilon Pegasi)
3rd Fleet HQ (Capella)
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: ShivanSpS on November 15, 2006, 04:35:00 pm
for the first part of my campaing the player is flying in Vasudan Prime and yes, I used the Karnak for a central station, using the Arcadia, in Vasudan prime in a pre-shivan timeline is ridiculus.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 15, 2006, 04:36:12 pm
:nervous: Sorry.....couldn't help it, my n00b-trigger finger's getting itchy.

I actually really dont care about the beam, it's the lengthy spammy speech I despise. ;)
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Shade on November 15, 2006, 04:45:48 pm
I can only agree, that speech is well worn. It was old even when I recieved it like a year ago, and filled with in-jokes that with a few exceptions even the people using it probably don't get these days - I mean, I haven't been around anywhere near long enough to get all of them, and most people using the beam now have been here shorter than I have. The really long time members already seem to have left the thing to die.

It's funny though, isn't it? A noob greeting being perpetuated, essentially, by noobs. Those who really have the veteran status to warrant using it, don't, as they seem to realise it's been done to death.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on November 15, 2006, 05:13:44 pm
In other words, the Welcome Beam Effect is spreading in the same manner as a virus. Well, then, the solution is simple. Quarantine you say? No, we'll just bombard their homeworld from orbit. I mean, "sterilize" it. Yes, that's what I meant.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 15, 2006, 05:54:33 pm
How about we simply limit its usage?
It's become a sort of "e-penis." New members seem to like posting it, and keeping track of how many they have given out, but that defeats its purpose. It doesnt exist to  be a competition between members. It was originally a nice warm welcome, but it has been done to death, and that horse that you all keep beating is nothing more than a skeleton at this point.
Please, just let it rest in peace.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Shade on November 15, 2006, 06:20:06 pm
Speaking of noobs... did HLP just get linked to from someplace big or something? There's like 150 guests on the forum at the moment.

[Edit] Make that 250+, even.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on November 15, 2006, 06:57:23 pm
Speaking of noobs... did HLP just get linked to from someplace big or something? There's like 150 guests on the forum at the moment.

[Edit] Make that 250+, even.
All adbots.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: wtf_cl0vvn on November 15, 2006, 08:03:25 pm
About the Shivan Installation question...

isnt there some mod where you DO see a SI? im pretty sure its somewhere on Inferno, but i cant check right now (****ing residence hall network is down)

a hive or something...
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Ace on November 15, 2006, 08:08:15 pm
The other Arcadia seen in FS1 (not including ST), not including the GTI Riviera in the opening cutscene, would be the Beta Aquilae instellation, right before the Lucifer torches it ("Failure to Communicate"?)

I agree that the Karnak isn't a terrific example of a Vasudan station, in that it looks too much like a copy of DS9.

*grumbles about his mistake of asking Dark to make it somewhat DS9-like*

The idea was that the pylons would be docks like on the Ganymede, when they're used as such it's less DS9-ish.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Dark Hunter on November 15, 2006, 08:24:20 pm
About the Shivan Installation question...

isnt there some mod where you DO see a SI? im pretty sure its somewhere on Inferno, but i cant check right now (****ing residence hall network is down)

a hive or something...

Inferno has two installations: the Arachanas (Looks like a four-point star), and the Hera (Hive installation).
The Arachnas was also in Into the Depths of Hell.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Blue Haired Maniac on November 15, 2006, 10:25:06 pm
In other words, the Welcome Beam Effect is spreading in the same manner as a virus. Well, then, the solution is simple. Quarantine you say? No, we'll just bombard their homeworld from orbit. I mean, "sterilize" it. Yes, that's what I meant.
Actually, let me look through our handbook....ah here it is...

"Behold, the purity of the Welcome Beam will be tarnished by those considered to be impure. In time, The One will bring balance back to the Welcome Beam. He will eat all his transgressors and gain their knowledge. And in so doing, he will become immortal, and live a life in small air ducts above the boards."
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 16, 2006, 01:07:22 am
Ok, for real now, the Carl references are lost on 90% of you. It really is time to let it die.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 16, 2006, 03:35:02 am
Speaking of noobs... did HLP just get linked to from someplace big or something? There's like 150 guests on the forum at the moment.

[Edit] Make that 250+, even.

PC Gamer uk at one point at least.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Iron Wolf on November 16, 2006, 05:07:30 pm
Ok, for real now, the Carl references are lost on 90% of you. It really is time to let it die.

looking though his old posts, I can't even figure out how everyone associated him with shivans....
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 16, 2006, 05:16:55 pm
It was because at one point he claimed to have filled out an online application for something as Carl T Shivan, and has since recieved mail for that name at his home. IIRC.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Turey on November 16, 2006, 05:56:21 pm
Want another example of something that dates back to the beginnings of HLP, and that we probably shouldn't do anymore?

GOING OFF-TOPIC!

Back on topic.....  ::)

I haven't seen anyone mention the other GVI on Hades, the GVI Cheops, which I personally like.

Though why the .rar it's in is called GVICheaps.rar, I'll not take a guess at.
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Dark Hunter on November 16, 2006, 06:44:04 pm
The reason no one mentioned it is probably because it isn't a big, full-size installation like the Arcadia. More like a lonely little science station.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Cheops as well.  :yes:


There was one Vasudan installation (forgot the name), that was just an Arcadia with Typhon textures.  :ick:
If you don't like the Karnak or the Cairo, that might be your best bet though! :lol:
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: Taristin on November 16, 2006, 07:23:05 pm
Want another example of something that dates back to the beginnings of HLP, and that we probably shouldn't do anymore?

GOING OFF-TOPIC!

Back on topic.....  ::)


Comments like that... Hmm, why is Taristin bitter? :rolleyes:

I haven't seen anyone mention the other GVI on Hades, the GVI Cheops, which I personally like.

Though why the .rar it's in is called GVICheaps.rar, I'll not take a guess at.

IIRC, I was the one who took Dark's station, remapped it, fixed the PATHing, and released it as the Cheops. But that was about 5 years ago if it was a minute. Id forgotten about that abomination (though I did like how it looked).
Title: Re: Galactic Vasudan Installation?
Post by: CP5670 on November 18, 2006, 05:52:05 pm
I use the Cairo in my missions (the original one with the flower light things). It looks very good to me and goes well with the other Vasudan stuff.

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It was because at one point he claimed to have filled out an online application for something as Carl T Shivan, and has since recieved mail for that name at his home. IIRC.

The original reference was in TAS. Actually, to this day I still don't know whether he got his name from that thread or his real name is actually Carl. :p

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The reason no one mentioned it is probably because it isn't a big, full-size installation like the Arcadia. More like a lonely little science station.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Cheops as well.

There was one Vasudan installation (forgot the name), that was just an Arcadia with Typhon textures.
If you don't like the Karnak or the Cairo, that might be your best bet though!

I also think the Cheops somehow looks small but it's actually almost as big as the Arcadia.

As for the other one, it was the GVI Abydos. Nobody knew how to make models in those days except for Dark (this was before PCS, Modelview, FSMM and all that stuff), who was rarely around, so retextured stuff was the norm. :p