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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on November 16, 2006, 02:01:49 am
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http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9005047&intsrc=hm_ts_head
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the problem with drm is that its useless against non-protected media. people can rip to analog if need be. mp3s and other drm-less formats should still work. if they dont, then alot of people with big collections will be pissed at microsoft.
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Someone will have the whole system reverse-engineered and publish a way around it within a few months.
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The problem with DRM is that it just doesn't work.
If you can see it and hear it, you can record it. Simple as that.
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I don't like the "Hard Drive can't be accessed if it switches computers" thing though.
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Well, you'll still have Linux.
You have to make choices. If you want games, either get a console or get a Vista machine. I fy ouwant system felxibility, dual boot or build a second machine.
;)
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The problem with DRM is that it just doesn't work.
If you can see it and hear it, you can record it. Simple as that.
Which is where the DRM in HD-DVDs comes in. It makes it so that the signal quality is diminished, or completely cancelled out if all of the hardware that handles the stream doesnt support encryption and DRM.
Bull****, IMO.
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which is were high def camera's come in...
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The problem with DRM is that it just doesn't work.
If you can see it and hear it, you can record it. Simple as that.
Which is where the DRM in HD-DVDs comes in. It makes it so that the signal quality is diminished, or completely cancelled out if all of the hardware that handles the stream doesnt support encryption and DRM.
Bull****, IMO.
Black market FTW
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There'll be a workaround within a month or two.
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The problem with DRM is that it just doesn't work.
If you can see it and hear it, you can record it. Simple as that.
Which is where the DRM in HD-DVDs comes in. It makes it so that the signal quality is diminished, or completely cancelled out if all of the hardware that handles the stream doesnt support encryption and DRM.
Bull****, IMO.
And how does it know that the kit it's connected to isn't lying about its capabilities? Companies pull **** like that all the time. Some DVD drives claim features they do not, in fact, have.
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which is were high def camera's come in...
Entirely my point.
As Hi-Def viewing technology becomes cheaper and more widespread, so does the Hi-Def camera technology.
And once the image and sound have left the screen and speakers respectively, they're up for grabs.
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I think consumers are not going to take to this DRM technology. It's just so draconian and heavy-handed that it will piss a lot of people off. The public may not be involved enough to know the consequences of all these stupid things put forward by "content holders", but it will become quite clear to them when the consequences manifest themselves on their computers. And then, as Khruschev said, vee vill bury you!
I'm in agreement with this article that DRM is a serious threat to the viability of the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats, and by extension, the PlayStation 3. Look out, Sony!
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So, wait, ok - if I can't take a hard drive out of my computer and plug it into another one anymore, how do they expect people to go about system upgrades, IT people to go about their general tasks, and restore companies to glean data off of a dead HD?
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Theres going to be a lot of issues with custom computers and stuff with that.
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BitLocker's optional. If you want to use the disk in another machine, turn it off.
Of course, Dell et al will leave it on by default, so the average user will still get screwed by it.
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drive encryprtion has been around forever, sence 2k, but microsoft just decided to rename it as a new feature. i just hope its off by default. or il be forced to use a legacy file system, if it even supports em.
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It's off by default and in fact only available in the Business Edition and Ultimate since it's really corporate customers that will be interested in this.
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It is indeed off. And you need a system with a hardware TMP or something to use it anyway.
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So if I were to build a new rig and load it with Vista, I wouldn't need to worry much about the locked-up hard disk when xferring it to another computer?
I consider myself an average user... either way I'm still against all this crap.
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I just built my computer and installed vista on it. My HDD isnt locked by default.
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So if I were to build a new rig and load it with Vista, I wouldn't need to worry much about the locked-up hard disk when xferring it to another computer?
I consider myself an average user... either way I'm still against all this crap.
There's nothing to worry about that wasn't there in Win2k. You might have to take ownership of some folders, but that's it.
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There's been selective *software* encryption available since 2000 (possibly NT4 although I'm not sure). That's still available in Vista AFAIK, but there's also the BitLocker hardware encryption support which is non-selective and presumably doesn't impact performance because it has a dedicated module to encode/decode.
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There's been selective *software* encryption available since 2000 (possibly NT4 although I'm not sure). That's still available in Vista AFAIK, but there's also the BitLocker hardware encryption support which is non-selective and presumably doesn't impact performance because it has a dedicated module to encode/decode.
ok, i was just under the impression that microsoft was selling an old feature under a new name. im still skeptical about it, its most likely just a minor upgrade to the old code.
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To what? It's new. It's hardware based, as opposed to software based. A chip, called a TPM must be on the motherboard for it to work, and the HDDs need to be partitioned in a special way as well. It's different than software encryption, and it'sdisabled by default.
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:sigh: of minor relief
TBH, stuff such as this has been the reason why I've been skeptical about going for a new console or building a new computer (the latter is getting vital, I'm still on an old AGP board although the parts are only 2 years old). Things like dynamic adverts, DRM, extra payment for add-ons even after you've paid $50 for the initial product et cetra...
...which in turn is related to me playing at the arcades instead of a decent and long-lasting PC game. I might be spending more, but if all this continues in the long term, I think the home gamer will have to shell out more too, so maybe the difference in expenditures might not be much by then.
Might just be me and my thoughts though... sorry if I went OFT by mistake. :)
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Ain't no way in hell to make this system foolproof. As someone said, if you can see it and hear it, it can be recorded. If you want cross-platform and hardware and software compatibility, then there's no way to make the system air-tight.