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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Vasudan Commander on January 09, 2007, 09:46:17 pm
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As most of you know, most shivan ships focus their beam cannons to aft, leaving their sides, top, belly and rear exposed
I cant remember the mission number exactly, but it involved taking out the Sathanas' main guns , in preperation for its conflict against the colossus. After doing so, a demon class destroy jumped in and engaged a sobek.
Strangely, the demon does -NOT- focus its firepower to the aft, but rather, evenly disperses it around its entire hull. Very odd, but very effective.
Anyone else notice this anomaly? Any theories on it ? I think the shivans developed the demon as more of a defensive ship that didnt need excessive amounts of fighters protecting it while it engaged warships that were in front of it. The Demon, disputably, more dangerous then the Ravana.
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thats because you need both types of warships, which firepower some types which firepower on front, and other on sides...
Anyway I always wondering why the Shivan don't add more beams on the Demon... look at the front for example, I not talking about adding more Lreds, but, if you replace the 2 turrets and the missile launcher on front of the Demon which Sreds, the Demon will be highly difficult to beat...
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I always considered the Demon to be one of the most effective destroyers of the game. I think the Shivans would use it more on a defensive role since its slow and to break enemy defensive positions like node blockades hence the beam cannons being on the sides and its heavy armor, I always get the feeling that the Demon must be a really old design too.
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I always considered the Demon to be one of the most effective destroyers of the game. I think the Shivans would use it more on a defensive role since its slow and to break enemy defensive positions like node blockades hence the beam cannons being on the sides and its heavy armor, I always get the feeling that the Demon must be a really old design too.
It IS a fs1 ship.
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I know that, but I mean I think its really old design, possibly in service with the Shivans even before FS1.
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The term "Aft" on a ship refers to the back of it......
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thats because you need both types of warships, which firepower some types which firepower on front, and other on sides...
Anyway I always wondering why the Shivan don't add more beams on the Demon... look at the front for example, I not talking about adding more Lreds, but, if you replace the 2 turrets and the missile launcher on front of the Demon which Sreds, the Demon will be highly difficult to beat...
If you put some more SGreens in an Orion it'd be tougher... that doesn't make it doable.
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It's called.....
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BALANCE.
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It's called.....
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BALANCE.
Exactly. See, if you went and added some SReds to the Demon, it'd fall over!
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As far as hull rating goes, the Demon has a significant advantage over the Ravana. (The Demon took quite a few Helios' before it went down, while the Ravana went down with only about a dozen cyclops')
I guess there-in lies the fact. The Demon is a defensive destroyer, Ravana an offensive destroyer.
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Remember that in FS1 a demon is destroyed by a couple of tsunamis.
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You mean the Typhoon? IIRC tsunamis in FS1 were just large bombs :p Unless it really did get destroyed by just a few bombs, but then it must have already been heavily damaged.
And yes, the aft of a ship is it's rear, not the front. The bow or fore (sp?) of the ship is the front.
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You mean the Typhoon?
I think he's talking about the Eva. Whatever, I wouldn't compare an FS1 battle with an FS2 battle. The FS2 Demon has 60% more hitpoints than the FS2 Ravana, making itself and it's turrets much stronger. Imo the Ravana is a joke. If it doesn't attack a ship frontal, it's toast.
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As most of you know, most shivan ships focus their beam cannons to aft, leaving their sides, top, belly and rear exposed
I cant remember the mission number exactly, but it involved taking out the Sathanas' main guns , in preperation for its conflict against the colossus. After doing so, a demon class destroy jumped in and engaged a sobek.
Strangely, the demon does -NOT- focus its firepower to the aft, but rather, evenly disperses it around its entire hull. Very odd, but very effective.
Anyone else notice this anomaly? Any theories on it ? I think the shivans developed the demon as more of a defensive ship that didnt need excessive amounts of fighters protecting it while it engaged warships that were in front of it. The Demon, disputably, more dangerous then the Ravana.
The Moloch also does a fairly good job of covering itself from below, as that is where its beams are.
Note that the Shivan strategy of not remaining in one place for particularly long dictates that most of its warships be offensively-designed, with main weapons in front. The Demon I assume would be more defensive mostly due to its role as a flagship or a carrier, not necessarily intended for an offensive role, but more just to launch strikecraft and defend itself against just about anything that could threaten it.
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Remember that in FS1 a demon is destroyed by a couple of tsunamis.
If you look at "more than twenty" as "a couple," then yes, it's just a couple. :p
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You mean the Typhoon?
I think he's talking about the Eva. Whatever, I wouldn't compare an FS1 battle with an FS2 battle. The FS2 Demon has 60% more hitpoints than the FS2 Ravana, making itself and it's turrets much stronger. Imo the Ravana is a joke. If it doesn't attack a ship frontal, it's toast.
But if it -DOES- attack a ship head-on, its lethal. Remember what it did to the Actium and the Lysander ?
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Yeah... I took out both the Ravana's front beam cannons before they fired in a Myrmidon.... and the Lysander still instantly went down... that's power. :rolleyes:
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The Moloch also does a fairly good job of covering itself from below, as that is where its beams are.
Most people dislike the Moloch because of its loose beam coverage. If they'd installed some kind of halfway beam with damage halfway between the SRed and LRed, but with the LRed's fire-wait, it'd be ALOT more lethal. As it is, its anti-cap beam firepower matches that of a Rakshasa light cruiser. That said, the HTL upgrade has an upper nose cannon, which is just BEGGIN' for an LRed to give it a bit of offensive punch.
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In FS1 it actually took only 7 tsunami's to take out the Luci. One for each engine: 2 and one for each generator: 5. Not exactly sure if that counts though. XD
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In FS1 it actually took only 7 tsunami's to take out the Luci. One for each engine: 2 and one for each generator: 5. Not exactly sure if that counts though. XD
It'd take a helluva lot more to actually destroy it, not just knock out its subsystems. Even in FS2 standards, its superior to the Ravana. I guess the shivans thought it wasnt 'cost-effective' to mass-produce them :lol:
They'd rather mass produce Sathanas' instead :blah:
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You mean the Typhoon?
I think he's talking about the Eva. Whatever, I wouldn't compare an FS1 battle with an FS2 battle. The FS2 Demon has 60% more hitpoints than the FS2 Ravana, making itself and it's turrets much stronger. Imo the Ravana is a joke. If it doesn't attack a ship frontal, it's toast.
But if it -DOES- attack a ship head-on, its lethal. Remember what it did to the Actium and the Lysander ?
Oh, yeah, it damaged the Actium to 50% and had the Lysander self-destruct. ::)
(sorry for using the rolleyes smiley in advance....)
And the FS1 Demon had 60% less armor than the FS2 Demon. And it was the Eva.
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So... wait... I distinctly remember doing nothing more to the Lucifer than killing its engines first and then taking out only the reactors... and BOOM, it's exploding out of the hole-in-space. Needless to say I had come under the impression that if you destroy its reactors, it dies.
It doesn't work like that, does it? *sighs*
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For gameplay and storyline purposes, yes, taking out all 5 of the Lucifer's reactors is enough to set off a "chain reaction" that takes down the entire ship. However, I'm unsure as to whether that behavior is caused by specific FREDding in the mission in question, or if it's something that's hard-coded into the Lucifer's table entry.
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Undoubtedly, it's FREDed, as I tried the same thing in a (n00bish) mission after I discovered FRED.