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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on January 11, 2007, 10:10:52 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6248835.stm
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Pretty-boy Beckham is over-rated anyway. Typical of the Americans to go for star power over actual football prowess. Cause he'll, like, look good in the magazines, and that's what's really important.
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good-riddence beckham, your a lousey england captain.
Terry looks the deal along with furgey.
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Pretty-boy Beckham is over-rated anyway. Typical of the Americans to go for star power over actual football prowess. Cause he'll, like, look good in the magazines, and that's what's really important.
Yay! Random, typical, uninformed, ignorant, and uncalled for anti-Americanism!
Anyway, I don't pay attention to sports in general, sooo....boo or yay?
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Yay! Random, typical, uninformed, ignorant, and uncalled for anti-Americanism!
Anyway, I don't pay attention to sports in general, sooo....boo or yay?
If you don't pay attention to sports, how can you say he's wrong about Beckham? :wtf:
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There's pro soccer in the US? :eek2:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer)
I thought it was a myth.
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Yay! Random, typical, uninformed, ignorant, and uncalled for anti-Americanism!
Random, typical, uninformed and ignorant yes. But not...what was that last thing? Ah, lighten up, it was more a swipe at Beckham than the States (I try to limit those to political talk ;);))
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well he is going to earn 250 million $ for a five year contract. lucky bastard
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer)
I thought it was a myth.
A notable feature of MLS is that all the player contracts are with the central organization, not with the teams. The players are allocated by the central organization to the teams in a balanced way. The separate teams are mostly individually operated. This structure permits MLS to impose a team-wide salary cap compatible with US law.
:wtf:
Won't this affect pretty-boy's team?
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Isn't he getting paid more money now?
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Yay! Random, typical, uninformed, ignorant, and uncalled for anti-Americanism!
Anyway, I don't pay attention to sports in general, sooo....boo or yay?
If you don't pay attention to sports, how can you say he's wrong about Beckham? :wtf:
I was talking about this part:
Pretty-boy Beckham is over-rated anyway. Typical of the Americans to go for star power over actual football prowess. Cause he'll, like, look good in the magazines, and that's what's really important.
Although to be honest it looks like I misread it, I thought he said "Typical of Americans" instead of "Typical of the Americans". The "the" con notates a certain group, while without it it seems to say that he's saying that of all Americans. My bad.
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Isn't he getting paid more money now?
Why else would he go?
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Nobody pays attention to the MLS here... this is one of the dumber things I've heard in a while. All the major papers are covering it and all the regular people say "who cares?"
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I don't care about football (American soccer).
1) it's not broadcast in the U.S. (probably because we all suck )
2) I played before, and it wasn't all that fun (probably because I sucked :p )
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alot of children are learning football at a young age in the U.S and beckham may encourage ven more people so in 10-20 years, who knows, the U.S.A might win the world cup (doubtful)
Beckham is past his best though
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lol like the usa will win european style football championship. you got Italy, france, senegal, brazil, uk, germany, greece i mean there good. but i wouldnt mind if the underdog punched above its wait.
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alot of children are learning football at a young age in the U.S and beckham may encourage ven more people so in 10-20 years, who knows, the U.S.A might win the world cup (doubtful)
Beckham is past his best though
Yeah, but the rest of the world doesn't want the US poking its nose where it doesn't belong. They're happy to have NASCAR, American football and pig wrestling, and the rest of the world is happy to have real sports. No one would benefit from the two sides mixing.
If the US does enter the mainstream and embrace football, I fear it will be in the most abnoxious manner possible. They're very competitive, and will make a point of throwing enough money at the sport to trounce all the earnest-yet-poor countries. No country that I know of has commercialized its sports to the degree that the US has. Football is about spirit, not corporate sponsors and 8-figure salaries for the players. Admittedly, the commercialization of the sport has already been ongoing for quite a while, but I don't see how the US' involvement will help matters.
yes, I know, I'm terribly anti-American. But on this issue, I think I'm actually right
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to heck with American soccer, I'm still waiting for Canada to win ...go Canada...yeah...wait hockey's on? oh....well lets get that on then...go leafs!
Getting North Americans to pay attention to Soccer/football is going to be hard, and Beckham isn't enough by far. heck, baseball can barely hold onto its fans, and its America's national pastime. soccer doesn't stand much of a chance at the moment.
at any rate:
Back to Hockey Day in CANADA!
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might be something to do with steroids and other drugs to cheat the sports. example athletics.
i dont mind nascar its exciting, albiet going around in circles for 200 laps but that doesnt really matter imo.
i dont mind the usa entering into other sports i mean recently there has been no f1 driver in f1 and now look, you got scott speed.
as for nascar why i as a european find it exciting is someone like paul menard winning his first race and denying someone like J. J. Yeeley. but my first time i thought of it as something really dull, i mean its like this. left, then another left, and another left after that. then you got the interesting part with the aerodynamics and so on. but back to the point.
i doubt beckham will help the usa with its campaign to win the football wc. i seriously doubt it.
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NASCAR isn't about going round in a circle; it's about going round in a circle, bursting a tyre, flying off the circuit into a crowd of leering rednecks and going "BOOM!"
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I thought it was about getting head from your sister.
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I thought it was about getting head from your sister.
What if you don't have a sister (or indeed female cousin, auntie or known mother)?
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In America, soccer is played together by little girls and boys. Then they grow up and never play it or watch it again.
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In America, soccer is played together by little girls and boys. Then they grow up and never play it or watch it again.
Because it's boring.
Well, it's all the mindset, I suppose; Europeans have soccer, a non-contact, high-energy sport, while Americans have heavy-hitting games like football that are based around two people making physical contact in order to determine the end of a play, or sports that rely on vast amounts of risk such as open wheel and stock car racing.
On that subject, while I'm not particularly a NASCAR fan (born in Indianapolis, so I'm much more of an open-wheel person), I enjoy racing in general.
Yeah, but the rest of the world doesn't want the US poking its nose where it doesn't belong. They're happy to have NASCAR, American football and pig wrestling, and the rest of the world is happy to have real sports. No one would benefit from the two sides mixing.
If the US does enter the mainstream and embrace football, I fear it will be in the most abnoxious manner possible. They're very competitive, and will make a point of throwing enough money at the sport to trounce all the earnest-yet-poor countries. No country that I know of has commercialized its sports to the degree that the US has. Football is about spirit, not corporate sponsors and 8-figure salaries for the players. Admittedly, the commercialization of the sport has already been ongoing for quite a while, but I don't see how the US' involvement will help matters.
yes, I know, I'm terribly anti-American. But on this issue, I think I'm actually right
The second paragraph of your post I will agree with. Every single sport in the US has become extremely commercialized.
The first paragraph, however, seems to be much more a cheap shot at American stereotypes. That's annoying.
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What if you don't have a sister (or indeed female cousin, auntie or known mother)?
Then you use a watermelon, or some other large fruit, and possibly become another mildly amusing human interest story to appear on SNL's Weekend Update.
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I enjoyed playing soccer a great deal when I was in Germany. It's hard to watch when it's not on TV though, and it is a different pace than American football.
American football isn't nearly as much fun as it used to be though. Watching tattoo necked thugs celebrate every time they make a tackle, even when they're losing? No thanks. But mainly it's because they go to commercials now every time the ball is turned over. It's too much TV scripting, the game doesn't flow anymore, and the sportsmanship has been replaced with "attitude". It's just easer to change channels.
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In America, soccer is played together by little girls and boys. Then they grow up and never play it or watch it again.
Because it's boring.
Well, it's all the mindset, I suppose; Europeans have soccer, a non-contact, high-energy sport, while Americans have heavy-hitting games like football that are based around two people making physical contact in order to determine the end of a play, or sports that rely on vast amounts of risk such as open wheel and stock car racing.
On that subject, while I'm not particularly a NASCAR fan (born in Indianapolis, so I'm much more of an open-wheel person), I enjoy racing in general.
Yeah, but the rest of the world doesn't want the US poking its nose where it doesn't belong. They're happy to have NASCAR, American football and pig wrestling, and the rest of the world is happy to have real sports. No one would benefit from the two sides mixing.
If the US does enter the mainstream and embrace football, I fear it will be in the most abnoxious manner possible. They're very competitive, and will make a point of throwing enough money at the sport to trounce all the earnest-yet-poor countries. No country that I know of has commercialized its sports to the degree that the US has. Football is about spirit, not corporate sponsors and 8-figure salaries for the players. Admittedly, the commercialization of the sport has already been ongoing for quite a while, but I don't see how the US' involvement will help matters.
yes, I know, I'm terribly anti-American. But on this issue, I think I'm actually right
The second paragraph of your post I will agree with. Every single sport in the US has become extremely commercialized.
The first paragraph, however, seems to be much more a cheap shot at American stereotypes. That's annoying.
nuclear1's post QFT. Rictor, every thread I see you in that has to do with the world outside computers (and sometimes in them), I see you make a cheap shot at Americans. It only shows you as being more bigoted. Although I do agree with the second paragraph in Rictor's post.
Anyway, yea, Americans enjoy different types of sports than Europeans, and nuclear1's right, it's all about the mindset. Europeans enjoy a game of soccer that's played for 30-45 minutes where no one scores a goal, then go crazy over a 1-0 win. Americans enjoy the bottom of the 9th inning where you've got the home team on base and the score is 43-45.
Neither approach is bad (Rictor), and neither one is worse or less valid than the other. So stop it with the US/EU taste war and just learn to love the differences. That's what makes foreign girls so interesting ;)
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you got that right!
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Oh come on, guys-- how is the image of pig-wrestling not hilarious?
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Anyway, yea, Americans enjoy different types of sports than Europeans, and nuclear1's right, it's all about the mindset. Europeans enjoy a game of soccer that's played for 30-45 minutes where no one scores a goal, then go crazy over a 1-0 win. Americans enjoy the bottom of the 9th inning where you've got the home team on base and the score is 43-45.
That's not a fair description of footie, though :)
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Because it's boring.
Well, it's all the mindset, I suppose; Europeans have soccer, a non-contact, high-energy sport, while Americans have heavy-hitting games like football that are based around two people making physical contact in order to determine the end of a play, or sports that rely on vast amounts of risk such as open wheel and stock car racing.
Beg differ. American football is annoying with its stop-start business. Baseball slow.
And does rugby mean anything to you?
How about basketball?
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Basketball is American as well :p
And anyway, football is more about strategy (I recall someone on this forum *****ing that football "required too much thought"), and baseball is really only fun when you're actually there, otherwise, yea, it can be pretty boring and slow.
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Basketball is American as well :p
That was the point.
High-energy non-contact sport...
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Non contact? Where are you watching basketball?
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Non contact? Where are you watching basketball?
It's as no-contact as Nuclear seems to think soccer is. :p
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far from it, alot of contact just to stop that ball. ive seen alot in nba recently :P.
(NBL) baseball has its dull moments i usually just skip the season and watch the home run rounds how many dominicans or cubans can get homeruns, but then again you got that japanese fella who throws the ball hits the ground and bounces to the bat.
as for american football league NFL. well thats more rugby and tag team then anything else on a artifical surface surrounded by plastic and bosses with steam coming out of thier ears if they dont win.
then you got the adverts every strike out and change over for baseball. every timeout and quarter time in basketball. then you got every tackle, timeout and score in football.
anyone see sy stallone talking to uk press at everton, about beckham and what he thinks the future is?
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As an aside, during the 1994 World Cup, apparently the 'merkins wanted to divide the matches into quarters in order to have more ad breaks.
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And this people is why chess > every other sport.
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i like chess :P was 4 time schools champ at one time before i made a little error, 2 years past and i was doing chess for fun, i got what i needed.
anyhow did anyone at all see salveser stallone talking about beckham and how he will be good for the football worl in the usa?
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Because it's boring.
Well, it's all the mindset, I suppose; Europeans have soccer, a non-contact, high-energy sport, while Americans have heavy-hitting games like football that are based around two people making physical contact in order to determine the end of a play, or sports that rely on vast amounts of risk such as open wheel and stock car racing.
Beg differ. American football is annoying with its stop-start business. Baseball slow.
And does rugby mean anything to you?
How about basketball?
Of course there are exceptions. I was just saying that, in general, Americans tend to favor high-contact and high-risk sports such as football and racing. This is why more people tend to have Superbowl/Indy 500 parties than World Cup/World Series parties. :p
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Football is easily as high contact as American Football in my viewing, though, and the likes of F1 and Touring Car (ala TOCA) are pretty much equally risky; I'd say it's something a little harder to characterise than simply contact and risk.
I have to admit watching American Football on holiday and finding it incredibly boring and struck me as pretty low contact compared to rugby union; obviously you need to be a conisseur to appreciate a sport properly; well, in some cases - although I can still enjoy rugby, tennis, ice hockey, snowboarding (well, the races at the winter olympics) etc without knowing too much about them.
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Bah..................I prefer Snooker.
:lol:
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Football is easily as high contact as American Football in my viewing, though, and the likes of F1 and Touring Car (ala TOCA) are pretty much equally risky; I'd say it's something a little harder to characterise than simply contact and risk.
I have to admit watching American Football on holiday and finding it incredibly boring and struck me as pretty low contact compared to rugby union; obviously you need to be a conisseur to appreciate a sport properly; well, in some cases - although I can still enjoy rugby, tennis, ice hockey, snowboarding (well, the races at the winter olympics) etc without knowing too much about them.
Point taken. I suppose it more depends on how one was raised to view sports as well; Americans will in general appreciate baseball, football, basketball, and IndyCar/NASCAR racing simply because they were raised with those sports on the television, whereas Europeans more cover soccer and rugby, but notsomuch football.
(And just in case anyone hasn't noticed, in my posts, 'football' is used to denote American football and 'soccer' used to broadly encompass both soccer and European football, though I'm sure there are significant differences)
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Football is easily as high contact as American Football in my viewing, though, and the likes of F1 and Touring Car (ala TOCA) are pretty much equally risky; I'd say it's something a little harder to characterise than simply contact and risk.
I have to admit watching American Football on holiday and finding it incredibly boring and struck me as pretty low contact compared to rugby union; obviously you need to be a conisseur to appreciate a sport properly; well, in some cases - although I can still enjoy rugby, tennis, ice hockey, snowboarding (well, the races at the winter olympics) etc without knowing too much about them.
Point taken. I suppose it more depends on how one was raised to view sports as well; Americans will in general appreciate baseball, football, basketball, and IndyCar/NASCAR racing simply because they were raised with those sports on the television, whereas Europeans more cover soccer and rugby, but notsomuch football.
(And just in case anyone hasn't noticed, in my posts, 'football' is used to denote American football and 'soccer' used to broadly encompass both soccer and European football, though I'm sure there are significant differences)
AFAIK the NFL Europe failed pretty much everywhere except Germany, so coverage is minimal. It was only ever really a feeder for the NFL teams (to send their reserves out to gain practice or something), anyways. I believe basketball and ice hockey are very popular in certain areas of europe, though; offhand, I think the Serbians like the former and the Czechs the latter (for example). I don't know about American Football, but in the UK and - I believe - places like Italy and Spain, the football team you follow is very much part of your personal identity.
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I don't know about American Football, but in the UK and - I believe - places like Italy and Spain, the football team you follow is very much part of your personal identity.
Then there's one thing Americans and Europeans have in common. In some places, you're almost seen as a cultural traitor if you don't follow your local team, and even worse if you support a different (or even rival) team. (i.e. one in Indianapolis would be essentially murdered if you supported New England, given the two teams rivalry; the tension is almost on par with the Red Sox-Yankees situation).
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I don't know about American Football, but in the UK and - I believe - places like Italy and Spain, the football team you follow is very much part of your personal identity.
Then there's one thing Americans and Europeans have in common. In some places, you're almost seen as a cultural traitor if you don't follow your local team, and even worse if you support a different (or even rival) team. (i.e. one in Indianapolis would be essentially murdered if you supported New England, given the two teams rivalry; the tension is almost on par with the Red Sox-Yankees situation).
How many US cities have 2 teams in the same sport, though? This is something I'm quite curious about, because to me it seems the US lacks anything on the scale of, say, the Old Firm or the Boca-River derbies.
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I don't know about American Football, but in the UK and - I believe - places like Italy and Spain, the football team you follow is very much part of your personal identity.
Then there's one thing Americans and Europeans have in common. In some places, you're almost seen as a cultural traitor if you don't follow your local team, and even worse if you support a different (or even rival) team. (i.e. one in Indianapolis would be essentially murdered if you supported New England, given the two teams rivalry; the tension is almost on par with the Red Sox-Yankees situation).
How many US cities have 2 teams in the same sport, though? This is something I'm quite curious about, because to me it seems the US lacks anything on the scale of, say, the Old Firm or the Boca-River derbies.
Well I know that New York does this (Mets/Yankees for baseball and Giants/Jets for football), as does Chicago (White Sox/Cubs for baseball) but AFAIK those are the only examples in mainstream American sports.
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Well I know that New York does this (Mets/Yankees for baseball and Giants/Jets for football), as does Chicago (White Sox/Cubs for baseball) but AFAIK those are the only examples in mainstream American sports.
That's quite interesting, because you'd be quite hard pressed to find a club in, for example, British football without some form of a local rival (at least at the top level); like the 4 or 5 london clubs playing each other (Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Fulham), Liverpool vs Everton, the Manchester derby, the Old Firm derby, etc.
Although admittedly it's a wee bit rarer in europe because the big derbies are often the likes of Juve - AC (Turin - Milan), or the Classico (Real Madrid - Barca), even in that case it's still geographically close compared to (I'd imagine) most inter-state derbies. (admittedly, the Classico is practically a Spain-Catalonia international, and owes a lot to the Franco era too)
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Although admittedly it's a wee bit rarer in europe because the big derbies are often the likes of Juve - AC (Turin - Milan)
Actually, here in Italy the big derbies are Milan vs Inter (the two Milan teams), Roma vs Lazio (the two Rome teams) and (but I'm not sure about this) Torino vs Juventus (the two Turin teams). But I'm not really sure about what I said so far, there has been a mess due to corrupted arbiters so some big teams are in a lower "series" now.
I am the exception that confirms the rule here: I hate soccer/football, which is Italy's national sport, but I like some American ones, like baseball.
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Although admittedly it's a wee bit rarer in europe because the big derbies are often the likes of Juve - AC (Turin - Milan)
Actually, here in Italy the big derbies are Milan vs Inter (the two Milan teams), Roma vs Lazio (the two Rome teams) and (but I'm not sure about this) Torino vs Juventus (the two Turin teams). But I'm not really sure about what I said so far, there has been a mess due to corrupted arbiters so some big teams are in a lower "series" now.
I am the exception that confirms the rule here: I hate soccer/football, which is Italy's national sport, but I like some American ones, like baseball.
You're right (in a sense); I was thinking of the Derby d'Italia, which is Inter rather than AC versus Juve. Juventus were the only team relegated due to the Calciopoli scandal, ending up in Serie B (at one point relegated to Serie C1, but winning an appeal - as did Lazio and Fiorentina, who IIRC had been due to go down to Serie B but ended up in Serie A with points penalties).
Apparently Juventus - Fiorentina is also somewhat of a heated affair, although it's not officially a derby AFAIK.
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hehe no kidding, i like baseball to an extent. i love nascar and indy :P.
your talking about ravalries, try Celtic vs. Rangers, these 2 have been at it for a while now.
i dont even like soccer, i even find tennis more interesting! and that is the most dullest and boring thing on the planet as far as i am concerned.
although i wouldnt mind snooker, Rocket Ronnie vs the darlin of ireland. or Higgins vs Ebdon. atleast there some skill involved (hand-eye coordination, brain power, motor controls), unlike kicking a bit of rubber around for 90 minutes, now thats boring.
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For a while? Try since 1888....
(although, to be fair, it wasn't the same hotbed then as it is now)
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like i said for a while awhile can mean along time.
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I don't like soccer because I find it boring, too. Also, I consider it (and the Calciopoli scandal quite confirmed this)
much wrestling-like: many matches' outcome is already planned, there is not much real playing (but this is only my opinion). And it's quite weird that you hear more about soccer players in gossip services in the news than in sport services... :doubt:
I also find boring some American car racing, like NASCAR and drag races (well... actually I prefer drag races for the spectacular accidents :nervous:), mainly for their scarce track variety (although I like very much drag racing in videogames, like NFS).
It would be very nice if here they'd broadcast Red Bull Air Races and similar things, but I don't think they would broadcast it for the only 4 or 5 people that know the Red Bull Air Races... :doubt:
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They actually transmitted the Red Bull Air Races here in the UK, but it was on Chennel 5 (which is the cheapo channel) at around 1 on a Monday morning. As for Soccer, I am one of the people that don't think it worth kicking the ball around for 90 minutes for a 0-0 draw (which happens regrettably quickly). I am more a Rugby person myself (Rugby being like American football but without the need for such extensive body armour).
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now thats a proper contact sport, with blood.