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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rictor on January 18, 2007, 12:11:30 pm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=429490&in_page_id=1770
Sex offenders could be forced to have hormone injections under radical plans to tackle crime being considered by Downing Street.
Strategists think the injections - effectively the "chemical castration" of sexual predators to suppress their urges - would help prevent attacks.
What a bold, brilliant plan! Thank you Tony Blair and New Labour for taking such progressives measures to cleanse the human filth from our perfect society. Know that the people and government of the Third Reich stand with you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Prevention_of_Hereditarily_Diseased_Offspring) and applaud your visionary efforts.
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I tremble with excitement just thinking about how many future Alan Turings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_turing#Prosecution_for_homosexual_acts_and_Turing.27s_death) will be subdued by the steady hand of public order.
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It's the Daily Mail; whilst I wouldn't doubt the governments capacity for stupidity, perhaps it would be best to find a reputable source rather than a racist, xenophobic tabloid with the editorial standards of a swamp?
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lets face it the idoits in the 2 houses are complete idoits. they dont have a clue at what there doing, when tony blair is gone, its upto gordon brown to change things, but i dont even think he will do anything different. welcome ot the united kindgom government.
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lets face it the idoits in the 2 houses are complete idoits. they dont have a clue at what there doing, when tony blair is gone, its upto gordon brown to change things, but i dont even think he will do anything different. welcome ot the united kindgom government.
Quoted for truth.
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Well, that's why they're 'idoits'.
To be fair, the HofL has done a decent job with regards to things like 90 day detention; or at least, the best job you could expect. It's strange that an unelected anachronism seems to have more interest in defending democracy than the elected government......
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Wow.
You guys would be perfectly justified in having a rebellion.
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You guys are right, chemicals are just wrong,
They should be using scissors. :p
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Daily Mail?
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Comparing this to eugenics isn't quite accurate. Regardless of one's opinion of these measures, the goal is not genetic filtration, but rather to prevent individuals from committing sex crimes. I'm not in favor of it, but "eugenics" didn't exactly pop into my head when I read this.
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Nice, pink T-shirts in Switzerland for sex offenders. Europe, you will never fail to amaze me with your overly-enforcing governments...
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Wow.
You guys would be perfectly justified in having a rebellion.
And yet, oddly, I'd rather live here than the US.
ACtually, I'd probably most want to live in Spain or something, but I don't speak the language :)
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What you have to bear in mind is that the government tends to consider everything.
There's always ideas like this floating around and they have to do studies and research them just so they can say they've been discussed and found to be unviable.
Like I bet we've got contingency plans for if France ever launched a nuclear attack on London.
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Like I bet we've got contingency plans for if France ever launched a nuclear attack on London.
Plans? Plans? Those we finished a looong time ago... :nervous:
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Like I bet we've got contingency plans for if France ever launched a nuclear attack on London.
Psst! Canzel ze attack! Zey're on to uz!
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Interesting proposal. Do they have some research data to support that?
By the way, scissors are very interesting proposal too. What about scissors plus chilli pepper?
Sorry, can't help it :D
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As a sidenote, apparently several US states have, or have experimented with, chemical castration. For example, California has mandatory castration for 2nd offencesfor paedophiles. So I'd imagine said strategy unit is floating these proposals...these ideas, at least partly with an eye on California. It is the nature of government, unfortunately, to bow to the mob (such as is led by the likes of the Daily Mail, oddly enough - they'd be the type to support castration of Romany gypsies; after all, their founder was an outspoken supporter of Hitler and Mussolini).
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As a sidenote, apparently several US states have, or have experimented with, chemical castration. For example, California has mandatory castration for 2nd offencesfor paedophiles. So I'd imagine said strategy unit is floating these proposals...these ideas, at least partly with an eye on California. It is the nature of government, unfortunately, to bow to the mob (such as is led by the likes of the Daily Mail, oddly enough - they'd be the type to support castration of Romany gypsies; after all, their founder was an outspoken supporter of Hitler and Mussolini).
If that weren't so sad, I'd laugh.
Here in California, chemical castration is the last thing sex offenders need to worry about. Go google "Prop 83" or read about it here (http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2006/10/24/prop_83_sex_off.html).
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Damn, it's both sad and retarded. I read most of those posted comments and man those people are assinine, they don't even know what the **** they are talking about. One or two seem to have a clue.
Let me know when the revolution starts, I got my sword ready to get all "Dark Ages" on the clueless...
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/VforVendettaNorsefire.jpg)
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Damn, it's both sad and retarded. I read most of those posted comments and man those people are assinine, they don't even know what the **** they are talking about. One or two seem to have a clue.
Let me know when the revolution starts, I got my sword ready to get all "Dark Ages" on the clueless...
would you care to name, names?
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Nice, pink T-shirts in Switzerland for sex offenders.
What now ? I must have missed that one, care to elaborate ?
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What now ? I must have missed that one, care to elaborate ?
read the article. it's at the end.
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Nice, pink T-shirts in Switzerland for sex offenders. Europe, you will never fail to amaze me with your overly-enforcing governments...
(...)prisoners in Texas are forced to wear pink T-shirts.
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Well, as has been pointed out, this IS the daily mail, but I put a comment anyway...
Yes, because our courts have never ever made a mistake and found someone guilty of something they didn't commit. And pumping their bodies full of chemicals won't have any negative effect on their metabolism whatsoever...
I wonder, when a 16 year old boy gets caught having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend, which is statuatory rape of a minor would people support it then?
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And here was me thinking this thread would be about Shettygate.
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Why don't we remove the frontal lobes of all convicted criminals? You know, for stability and all.
This is ****ing eugenics. This is ****ing Brave New World. This goes beyond the death penalty. Here the door is open for the state to be given the power to alter a person's mental makeup as they please. The right to free will is much more inviolate than the right to live. The most conservative column in America wouldn't dream of suggesting this. I know I am very, very angry right now, and I am probably going to regret saying this, but if Blair proposes such a bill, and if it even comes close to passing, then I wouldn't have any problem with Blair being assassinated. I've tried to be pacifist, but the fact is I'm pretty sure I would be willing to go to war and kill to prevent this stuff from happening.
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It honestly ain't too bad. It just keeps sexual predator's libido down. They won't do it again.
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The real issue here is: what next. Sure, maybe it will keep predators clean... but who says they'll stop at that?
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This is ****ing eugenics. This is ****ing Brave New World. This goes beyond the death penalty. Here the door is open for the state to be given the power to alter a person's mental makeup as they please. The right to free will is much more inviolate than the right to live. The most conservative column in America wouldn't dream of suggesting this.
Sounds good to me. :p
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Jesus ****ing christ.
It's the Daily Mail.
It's a ****ty tabloid.
It's equivalent of the Weekly World News.
They report utter and complete ****.
ps. ****
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Every country has its tabloid rag, but somehow I got the impression (limeys, back me up on this?) that while they may not be a bastion of journalistic excellence, they're not the type of flat-out make stuff up either. Anyway, it's a valid subject for debate.
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Every country has its tabloid rag, but somehow I got the impression (limeys, back me up on this?) that while they may not be a bastion of journalistic excellence, they're not the type of flat-out make stuff up either. Anyway, it's a valid subject for debate.
Actually, the Daily Mail are the type of newspaper that would not just spin news out of proportion for political goals, but also flat out invent it. It is a gutter trash tabloid, and I wasn't joking when I said it was racist tripe.
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Unfortunately, there's not a (seemingly) listing of the various Mail falsehoods over the year - this page has some, though; http://www.studentbmj.com/back_issues/0800/reviews/300.html
he Daily Mail reverted to its old tricks with its headline, "Make way for asylum-seekers, nurses told" (26 June). The asylum seekers had been housed in a nurses' hall of residence, and the article suggested that resources had therefore been taken away from "deserving" Brits. The true culprit was the accommodation office of John Moores University in Liverpool, which had failed to inform or consult the nurses about moving them out to a different hall of residence. But, as always, it was the asylum seekers who were to blame.
Earlier in the year, the Sun and the Daily Mail had been the subject of a formal complaint to the Press Complaints Commission by the Asylum Rights Campaign, a consortium of refugee and human rights organisations. A major focus of the complaint was their inflammatory coverage of Romany gypsies, which reached a peak in March.
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The Daily Mail targeted individuals. In the case of Maria Nistor and her 4 month old son named "Lucifer," the pursuit filled innumerable column inches. "This Romanian was smuggled here with her children in the back of a lorry," said the paper (1 March) alongside a photo of a smiling woman in a swirling skirt carrying a baby. It went on to say, "A court heard how she now gets £20 an hour begging, £230 benefits a fortnight, and a three-bed house."
Three more days of sanctimonious headlines followed, such as "Look how they repay our generosity" and "Scroungers endangering a noble ideal." But on the fifth day, an abrupt twist put the Home Office in the dock. The Daily Mail had discovered that "the Romanian gipsy [sic] twice convicted of begging with a baby while claiming benefits is an immigration service spy" (5 March). She was not even an asylum seeker but had been granted false asylum papers by the Home Office in exchange for informing on other members of her community, the Daily Mail admitted. But by now the damage had been done.
You can also peruse some listings of Mail scare stories (usually about MRSA) here; http://www.badscience.net/?cat=15
If I really tried, I could dig up hundreds of Mail stories and point out them as being variously xenophobic, racist, or simply spun into lies.
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I'm afraid Aldo's right Rictor, I'd say that of our popular tabloids, the Mail is possibly one of the few that I would actually list under the Sun for accuracy and quality of reporting.
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Are you guys forgetting the Sunday Sport and the Daily Sport?? The Daily Mail has to be second only to these two?
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Well, I stand corrected.
...it's still a valid debate, since obviously the prospect isn't too crazy, as certain states have adopted it.
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This proposal carries a disgusting stench of religious roots. This is essentially what they did in biblical times, only with scissors (as someone mentioned earlier). FFS, lock em up, do whatever, just dont alter their ****ing brains.
If any of you guys have seen "A Clockwork Orange" you'll know exactly what I'm afraid of here.
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Haven't seen the movie, but I've read the book. Good point KappaWing. But hopefully, the government won't be so..... extreme.... :eek2:
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Well, I stand corrected.
...it's still a valid debate, since obviously the prospect isn't too crazy, as certain states have adopted it.
Well, the point is that it's a prospect. It may be suggested in a policy document, but it may be that same policy document ruled it out as ineffective and illegal; certainly it'd be a very **** thing if adopted, but it's not even a solid policy proposal yet - let alone one entering parliament.
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Haven't seen the movie, but I've read the book. Good point KappaWing. But hopefully, the government won't be so..... extreme.... :eek2:
You read it? I said **** it after one page.
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Is that when you beat up the coke machine? ;7
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lets face it the idoits in the 2 houses are complete idoits. they dont have a clue at what there doing, when tony blair is gone, its upto gordon brown to change things, but i dont even think he will do anything different. welcome ot the united kindgom government.
Quoted for truth.
aaaaaaaaaand Requoted.
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Haven't seen the movie, but I've read the book. Good point KappaWing. But hopefully, the government won't be so..... extreme.... :eek2:
Can you read?
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Is that when you beat up the coke machine? ;7
Is this some kind of inside joke? I don't get it. Coincidentally, in Syrup (a book by one of my favorite authors, Max Barry), the main character beats up a coke machine.
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Yes it is an inside joke but I'll just link you here...
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart)
...and stop posting about this because I dont want to derail this thread with a sensitive topic.
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Uhhh...right.
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It's equivalent of the Weekly World News.
But the Weekly World News is TRUE! I get all my news from WWW and The Onion! :)