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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The FRED Workshop => Topic started by: Centrixo on January 22, 2007, 09:25:00 am
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ive almost completed something based completly on most or all of the technologies in the fs universe only, inferno ships, fs1 ships, fs2 ships, and a few other ships not particularly known but count, when i say fs univarse only i mean ship derived from fs that means babylon 5, descent etc are excluded.
The Galatea, Bastion, Hades, Collosus, Aquitaine, Psamtik, Lucifer, Sathanas, Hedetet, Memphis etc. there all in there. revived and living all in one 35 mission campaign, you will see losses, wins & draws.
its not BOE style, its concept is based on unpredictability.
ATM im stuck with trying to open up model view to ships on certain mods, all it says is i cant access the texture maps.. im trying to find a way to open these and create ship entries, no luck so far.
i originally planned to deliver the mod 4 days ago, but its been moved back 4 weeks and 2 days, if not then im not sure when.
i will have credits and i am working on them ATM, i wont take full credit for this campaign, the people who put thier time into these ships, thier names are going to be mensioned.
the mod computer requirements are the same as SCP launcher.
it can run on most SCP Builds, unless im mistaken.
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So... it's kinda like a "what-if" thing where you pit those ships against each other? Heh, sounds like my Ship Gallery mod. :drevil:
MDLView is simply unable to open certain texture files. It doens't mean that they're missing, just that MDLView is unable to open them.
If you're putting the Hades in, do it a favor and make it the FS1 Hades. In other words, double its hitpoints. It's very weak otherwise.
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And give it a better Engine subsystem, one shot and it's disabled, then the Orion runs rings around it, firing shot after shot until it explodes. :doubt:
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Technology nemesis has been cancelled due to administration giving me crap about telling me to 'knock it off' when i recived NOTHING about knocking it off. and myside; for genrally being a jerk on a consisant basis, my bad there but still wont change me.
Also RTD wars is cancelled for the same reason, thank your adimistrators for that.
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what the hell are you talking about :confused: ? just work this out with them.
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hehe how can i work with the admins if they start making some crap up about me to knock it when i didnt get a single hint? if they do this then i dont see any reason to trust them on when they say.
they removed the ground from underneath me without warning and i landed on something, i build and was ready for. they see me down there pick me up, put me back on the groud again, how can i trust they will not do this again?
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What does HLP have to do with your mod?
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ahh the arguemnt of i dont care for your mod and its not relevent, if so say so.
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hears another one, i play HLP SCP like you, and in your life you created or tried to create a campaign in your life sometime like me, what has it got to do with hlp? this mod was build around and ENTIRELY on hlp scp, dont forget what forum your posting in.
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Erm, I think what they're asking is why do the admins of HLP have any authority to tell you what campaigns to write and what not to write? So you use the SCP, that doesn't mean anyone has the right to tell you what to do with it.
Now if you were trying to get it hosted on HLP, that would be another matter, since they do have the right to refuse hosting. But you can get it hosted elsewhere if that was the case, it doesn't mean you have to stop building it.
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Uh, yeah why penalize everyone else for your inability to get along with mgmt ?
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these admins ovbiously dont give a of pile of phesces for anyone else except themselves and thier friends, as thats the case in all places ive been to and here is no different, i know the pattern when i join any forum that is ran by americans.
it usually ends up with me getting kicked out and is always the way.
the problem is no one picks that up, that i have the wrong end of the stick and no one points me in the right direction, what every american does 1st without thinking is make the situation worse, 2nd even if they think about it i dont understand because its clearly ovbious, you speak in slang and construct sentences different from english in europe, 3rdly if that dont work just give up and throw us in the piranna pond. consisant in every forum i have been in and isnt a cooincidence.
i cant host it because i tried construction a website and its soo boring. so many <body> Example </body> and <color> red, 255 </color>
the admins dont give me authourity, incase you havent heard yet is that you can create this campaign because you felt like it and all that hard work will be played by others and send them situations that havent been encountered, what the admins did is punish me and i automatically punish everyone else, from not finding out what this campaign is about from me to the community unfortunatly.
i am a persisant character, and i dont give up. im not talking myself up that is what is true, i also overreact aswell maybe because; as i said no one will help me in the right direction incase i become misguided, the same with slang english(confused and doesnt really know whats going on).
now you know what is wrong with me, when i argue i argue to the rotten end or until i become disillusioned.
also while im talking about what im like, <my view on admins> i dont care who is an admin or not, there like everyone else, there treated the same and no different, some really like to abuse thier power if they dont get what they want. in this case it happend here, they didnt get control from me because of what i said at the beginning of this paragraph and clearly abused thier powers witch removed the floor from underneath me.
end of the line, the admins want to mess with me then go ahead because i wont go down without a fight. and on that note that is what has been on my whole life. i punishing everyone else from the administrations **** up, and thats simple.
they didnt warn me about anything so this is the result, sorry guys.
@ neoterran you talk with the admins, i recived jack all about knocking it off.
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Well, look, i don't know what happened with the admins, but from the articulation you appear to be capable of from your posts, I'm pretty sure it was some kind of misunderstanding.
I don't always get along with everyone else here either, but that's life, you get in some squabbles sometimes, and don't take it too seriously it's just words on a forum.
I don't think you should refuse to post cool work for freespace you've done just because some people here got pissed off at you (or vice versa)
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no worries i got other plans in the tube, i wont say anything about until i feel its good enough, providng the admins dont abuse thier powers.
im writing this in a serious and fast thinking mode, but not angry. but i understand that problem.
its the competitive nature of the human what makes all idoits, and no one is outside that zone, its all either testosterone or eastrogen, the normal precived picture of when i attack someone is angry, when obviously they dont think out exactly whats going on linking with 1st consistant pattern in a forum, and reply only to make any situation volitile into an all out conflict.
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...I have no idea what's happening here.
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sounds like a behind-the-scenes disagreement by PM or some such thing.
Anyway, go to one of the other popular FS hosting sites, I.E. gamewarden.com. I like the idea of this mod.
But yes, I get what you are saying about things being lost in translation. Even between American English and European English.
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...I have no idea what's happening here.
+1
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alright i have serveral different plans in the tube.
1st: Rise of the NTF, a campaign based on the NTF rebellion, the objective being to help adimral bosch, from the very humble beginnings of the rebels to the end of the rebels, based over 15 years of conflict. you are Ensign Harry Lister you defected to the NTF shortly after hearing the BETAC was signed, you are a member of Zeta squadron based on the NTD Syracuse. the NTD Syracuse man in charge is Commander Muhammad Farisha, an Indian with a temper!.
2nd: Secrets and Lies, a campaign based on the dead GTI and living SOC, you play as Lieutenant Vicard Veers apart of the 67th Vasudan GVI unit, you accepted citzenship as a vasudan because your views on the 'terran effect' was big, you go through the campaign to unravel to sinister going-ons, between the GTVA command, GTI, SOC, HOL and the 'terran effect'.
3rd: Pirate Enclave, you are in the GTVA and you daughter has been killed by pirates, or so you told to think so, but it all appears to more going on than what meets the eye, you play as Ensign Benjamin Harris a pilot with a attitude and a mouthful of words to rival GTVA command!. there is one person who is constantly around Pirate Metal Head(Lieutenant Commander) Yuji Haisho a japanese who doesnt give up.
i have other ideas but there more excentric
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Uh, Centrixo, not to knock your ideas but the NTF started up only a few years (18 months?) before the Second Shivan Incursion, and was wiped out during it... how are you going to go for 15 years of NTF rebellion?
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Centrixo. Saying that the admins don't care about anything else than themselves and their friends is, to be honest, completely illogical and even downright insulting towards them... I ask you to consider this: HLP is a medium-sized internet community. It also provides hosting services for some rather big downloads in addition to forums. Currently it's hosted on same server with Game-Warden, another reasonably sized community, and as you surely know, bandwidth and servers cost money.
Where do you think this money is coming from? It comes from admins' pockets. Those admins that, by your words, only care about themselves and their friends. In other words, the existance of HLP is in itself a complete debunk of your claim, because if they indeed only cared about themselves and their frends they would keep all this stuff to themselves in a closed-doors community and certainly they wouldn't use their money on making it possible for us to be here.
Also, I recommend you do some thinking about how you want to be perceived here. Because whether you believe it or not, your own behaviour is the only thing that dictates how you are treated in Internet. In Internet, people can never have any prejudice towards each other - but starting from first impression, they start forming an image of a person who they are interacting with, and the only thing affecting that image is what you do. Not what you are like, but what you do, unlike in RealWorld(TM). Same applies to admins and moderators - they have a task to do, and it is to keep the forums civil. They cannot be expected to give privileges to anyone just because "that's who I am" -explanation.
Perhaps you should also consider this. If you get kicked out of somewhere, are the people who kicked you out responsible - or are you responsible for making them kick you out? After all, the majority of users in HLP have had no problems with adminstaration. I'm sorry to hear that ou have had. However, in most cases admins don't want to kick anyone out. It's the last resort if other methods have failed. In which case communication breakdowns can play a vital role, but those can usually be straightened out before lasting harm is done.
the admins dont give me authourity, incase you havent heard yet is that you can create this campaign because you felt like it and all that hard work will be played by others and send them situations that havent been encountered, what the admins did is punish me and i automatically punish everyone else, from not finding out what this campaign is about from me to the community unfortunatly.
Pardon me for saying so but that gives a really, really childish image of you. Not that being childish is in any way excluded from grown-ups - just look at world politics - but it does tell something about people.
If you feel abused by admins, clear it up with them, but why do you feel like you have to punish other people for it?
Also - why in blazes would you need special authority to create your own campaign? You have all the needed authority to do so as you are. Most people doing their own mods don't have own forums or hosted space for their stuff, you know - that's reserved for big mods/conversions that really need a lot of space and generate a lot of discussion. Most single campaigns for FS_Open are done right here on this very forum, as far as I know.
i am a persisant character, and i dont give up. im not talking myself up that is what is true, i also overreact aswell maybe because; as i said no one will help me in the right direction incase i become misguided, the same with slang english(confused and doesnt really know whats going on).
There's nothing wrong with being persistant, but the definition of truth is a thin line in water in the first place... Usually truth has something to do with reality and facts. And to tell the truth, I've observed cases in which you have refused to offer either facts or anecdotes to back up your opinion, you've just said that you don't want to argue and when people kept asking about it, you became hostile. And in other case, you - as far as I remember - didn't want to here any arguments that contradicted your opinion. Things like that are not the best things to do in discussion. It's the equivalent of dropping into a conversation, saying whatever - perhaps about some really emotional issue like ID theory - and when someone asked something about your opinion, you would say that you didn't ask for opinions, now STFU and accept that I'm right. :nervous:
Would you enjoy immensely if someone told you that your opinion is not appreciated, go away? I think not. I certainly wouldn't like that. That's why I don't do that...
There's a difference between being persistent and being oblivious to contradictory facts or evidence, too, but let's not get to it now...
now you know what is wrong with me, when i argue i argue to the rotten end or until i become disillusioned.
There's nothing wrong in that per ce, but the techniques used must be in accordance to common forum conduit. If you violate forum rules in the process of Not Giving Up, you will be first warned (which has happened) and then other disciplinary actions follow (which seemingly has also happened). It's as simple as that. Following instructions is up to you - if you don't understand them, ask for clarification. There are several non-native english speakers understanding the instructions pretty fine, too. So saying that you didn't understand something is just trying to elude liability IMHO. If you don't understand it, ask what it means. If it's not explained to you if requested, then it's a different thing altogether.
To any degree, I have to ask why does the argument need to become rotten? In my experience, almost everything goes without admin intervention until one or another argumentee starts attacking the other one instead of his or her claims. In which stage he or she automatically loses the argument by showing that it's impossible for him/her to invalidate the claims of the other and by starting personal assault instead.
also while im talking about what im like, <my view on admins> i dont care who is an admin or not, there like everyone else, there treated the same and no different, some really like to abuse thier power if they dont get what they want. in this case it happend here, they didnt get control from me because of what i said at the beginning of this paragraph and clearly abused thier powers witch removed the floor from underneath me.
That much should be obvious for everyone... I for one wouldn't stay very long in a forum of admin asslickers getting some special treatment. Luckily, this is not one of those forums (if such exist).
I suggest you try treating everyone the same way you would treat an admin instead of treating admins the same way you treat everybody else... :nervous: That might help. Then again, I don't even think who's admin and who's not. Usually I just treat everyone with equal respect and I've never had any problems with adminstration, or individual members for that matter. And believe me, I can be persistent as well... :)
end of the line, the admins want to mess with me then go ahead because i wont go down without a fight. and on that note that is what has been on my whole life. i punishing everyone else from the administrations **** up, and thats simple.
Trust me, no one wants you to go unless you give a reason to think so. So take a deep breath, read the forum rules through and ask clarification if something is strangely written, because not understanding rules is not a plausible reason for not following them. It's not bad thing to ask, but ignorance to find out is and will result in things like this.
they didnt warn me about anything so this is the result, sorry guys.
Did too. If you didn't read it that is not their fault. If I remember correctly, karajorma gave you a warning after you resorted to name calling, further detail I'm not interested in.
I personally am still forming my opinion about you, and right now it seems that there have been severe, multiple misunderstanding about many things in both your end and possibly in admin end, but as I don't know more about it, I won't judge either - good thing I'm not expected to do so, too. :D
I also hope that you become assimilated end up as contributive community member so that many of us may have opportunity to play your campaign.
Finally, I want to express my wish that you don't interpret this message or any part of it as an attack against your personality or be offended by it. It's not intended to be that, but just my observations and some friendly advice.
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Usually truth has something to do with reality and facts.
:lol: :yes:
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first off, money is a illusion so what you say about this stuff, clearly its obselete.
secondly, you are clearly a friend of the admins so i expected this.
thirdly, im pointing out that in every forum as you say is precentions of other people, its not just me i look at you and i think 'ffs another retard who has his head up his ass' so immediatly attack.
fourthly you clearly have misinterprited what i say to make me look bad, so it reinforces point 2, now i ask a person who isnt a friend of the admins, then i would get a fairer view unlike this typical damn right stupid defense view.
fifth, its my conclusion you ovbiously see me as a big threat, and want to try the super omgmf intelligence reply to try nulify what i said.
sixth, the past is the past so why bring it up? you ovbiously have nothing to use against me so why have i bothered replying?
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Whoa, calm down here. Let's get a few things straight.
1) Centrixo, according to the ban log, you were being a jerk to other people on a regular basis and warned to cut it out. When you didn't, you were banned. It was only an enforcement of the rules. Nothing personal, just business.
2) It was only a two-day ban, for goodness sake. Long enough to make a point, but much too short to adversely affect any sort of project you were working on. This forum is not a chat room; nobody cares if you're not here every single hour of every day.
3) This board is not run by Americans. I'm the only American on a staff of 10 admins. The others hail from Canada, the UK, Ireland, France, Brazil, Finland, Sweden, Israel, and Australia.
4) Nobody told you that you couldn't develop your campaign here, or post it here, or any of that. I have no idea where you got that impression.
5) And finally, if you're going to refuse to participate in the community just because of a single action by the administration, then Herra Tohtori is right, you are acting like a child.
EDIT: And Herra Tohtori isn't a "friend of the admins", as you put it. Are you going to label everybody who disagrees with you as a teacher's pet?
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:wtf:
I guarantee it requires money to run this server. And I'm not even involved.
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for the love of... delete this crap goober if your going to do something right, do it now.
oh and one last point, i said i wont go down without a fight, and this is conclusion of that fight, tech nemesis is gone.
does anybody read these words "unusual english & Unpredictable"?, it says alot of what you dont know about me...
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Well, I certainly see the "unusual English" part.
But Centrixo, something you don't seem to see here is that no one, I repeat: NO ONE, is trying to "combat" you or eliminate you as a threat. I honestly cannot see how you got that impression. We are simply trying to get you to calm down a bit.
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first off, money is a illusion so what you say about this stuff, clearly its obselete.
If you want to get philosophical about illusions, that's fine by me, but don't you think that if the admins only thought of themselves, they would rather buy themselves brand new shiny computers to play Freespace Open with than put money into expensive server hard- and software as well as ISP fees?
secondly, you are clearly a friend of the admins so i expected this.
As Goober said, I have no particularly friendly relationships with the adminstration, but for some reason or another I have never had a single problem with any of them either.
But if you want to define friend like that, you're gonna have to say that everyone in HLP who has no quarrell with adminstration is admins' friend. I guess that works out too. Otherwise I would have say that you have some makings of a great conspiracy theorist.
thirdly, im pointing out that in every forum as you say is precentions of other people, its not just me i look at you and i think 'ffs another retard who has his head up his ass' so immediatly attack.
I do not understand this sentence. It doesn't make much sense after the world "people".
Not just you what? You mean you're not the only one who thinks I've got my head up my ass? :lol: Well, that's an intereseting stance if I interpret it right (i think it was some kind of vague example, however). But who attacks whom? Are you attacking me, or do you perceive me as attacking you? :shaking: Or is someone else attacking the supposed retards in every forum?
fourthly you clearly have misinterprited what i say to make me look bad, so it reinforces point 2, now i ask a person who isnt a friend of the admins, then i would get a fairer view unlike this typical damn right stupid defense view.
I don't deliberately misinterpret anything ever. I make interpretations by what I can understand about people's writings, and where you have meant something else that you write it's not my fault. Or perhaps I should just disregard everything you say as noise that can mean anything you want it to mean?
fifth, its my conclusion you ovbiously see me as a big threat
Negative. I saw you as a possible member of the community who could actually interact with others in some other way than on your one-way terms (that seems to be agreeing with you), but as I said, it's what you do that form people's view on you in Internet, and the picture is forming all the time. The picture seems to be that when people disagree with you, you become hostile. Make your conclusions about that if you wish. :sigh:
Think about it - what kind of a threat could you possibly be to either HLP or me personally? None whatsoever, ust like I am no threat to you. So please stop sparring, there's only your shadow to fight with. Only thing you are a threat to is your own credibility (or what is left of it), and relations to other forumites here.
and want to try the super omgmf intelligence reply to try nulify what i said.
This is my normal way of writing. Do a search and you'll find that most of my messages are like this. Although I would say that for most people my text is probably closer to intelligible than intelligent. But it's true that I don't hesitate to use long words.
sixth, the past is the past so why bring it up? you ovbiously have nothing to use against me so why have i bothered replying?
You tell me pilot, I'm informed on a need to know basis. It's you who brought this mess any further than the end of your temporary ban. You deemed it necessary to try and exert some sort of "punishment" against the community. If you didn't want to talk about this, why do a thing like that in the first place and announce it publicly if you didn't want any response?
...And why do I feel like I'm talking to the hand? :rolleyes:
Anyway, this is my last message considering this matter. I feel that if this message is misinterpreted as badly as the previous, anything further I could write would not do any good, so...
Do what you please with these charred remains of once promising project, I have nothing further to say unless Centrixo "becomes disillusioned", as he himself worded out, and decides to perhaps continue the project. :blah:
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Some of you apparently aren't familiar with his posting history around here. This guy gets absurdly defensive over just about anything. This must be the seventh or eighth thread where I've seen him starting a fight over nothing in the last few months. :p
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Just wait long enough and an example of Godwin's Law of internet debates will manifest here. 2:1 he calls someone a nazi soon, or says that the mods are just like nazis.
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for the love of... delete this crap goober if your going to do something right, do it now.
oh and one last point, i said i wont go down without a fight, and this is conclusion of that fight, tech nemesis is gone.
does anybody read these words "unusual english & Unpredictable"?, it says alot of what you dont know about me...
Doesn't it say exactly what we know of you?
C'est la vie.
Anyways, communities like this basically function - like real life - alongside the concept of people having basic respect for each other; politeness, mainly. It's a little bit of a 'sharper' equilibrium than real life, though, because it's (i.e. any internet forums) a situation where there is almost complete anonymity and isolation - you can very easily have a poke and then run off never to be seen again. The consequence is that, firstly, small insults can if allowed rapidly grow out of all proportion (usually into something involving all-capital text, poor spelling, bold words and - a favourite of a certain member-who-shall-remain-nameless-but-we-can-call-Mr-K - _underscored_ _text_ _like_ _this_ _but_ _also_ _red_) and secondly we have a sort of admin peer group to prevent stuff growing out of hand into playground fighting quickly.
Anyways, point being, if you go about insulting everyone like a petulant child, and then regard the consequences as nepotism rather than the response of moderator groups to someone acting like an arse, you will very quickly find yourself ostracised. Much in same was as being barred from a pub for ogling the barmaid, spitting beer over other customers and refusing to pay for your pint.
Really, it's up to you how you want to behave.
:)
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But Centrixo, something you don't seem to see here is that no one, I repeat: NO ONE, is trying to "combat" you or eliminate you as a threat. I honestly cannot see how you got that impression. We are simply trying to get you to calm down a bit.
I have to correct this.
He annoys me like all hell, and frankly, yes, I am predisposed to take a combative posistion since he has basically proved to be everything that makes my Tuesdays (when I'm responsible for the online fiction group I help moderate) a living hell. I have long searched for an adequate set of descriptors for such people, but in the end it always defeats me. I'm not trying to chase him out, though arguably I would like to eliminate him as a threat by seeing him reform his behavior.
He happened to catch me in a bad mood one day, and I fear I threw the book at him in this regard. Perhaps that's what triggered this.
However I am in no sense a friend of the adminstration here. I've been monkeyed and temp-banned and argued with them 'til everyone was blue in the face. With friends like these...well, you probably know the rest.
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you really dont know what im up to? lol you should of figured it out by now!.
in that mark of annoying the hell out of someone, i come here for some fun but when someone starts on me i will terrorise everyone if i have to, trying to find control of me is like trying to defuse a mine in africa, i wont let you control me, i am one of these people who frankly wont act like everyone else, i have my own views and opinions, you might find them childish but tough luck, this is to make sure no one can control me.
forums are created for 'freedom of information act' and somewhere along the lines someone made a mistake in creating a position called an admin, basically a power abuser, and the freedom of information act has now became a set number of rules.
ok lets defeat this attack, all against 1.
this is become EXACTLY what i said, this is a perfect example of what i set out to do. my points are valid i made sure they heard me,
now point 5 applies to me. why did i bother starting this? this is an information gathering task for an example, and i just proved it.
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you really dont know what im up to? lol you should of figured it out by now!.
I've figured out that you're trying to push your limits. This is the second warning I've had to give you today. Stop it with the martyrdom complex; you're making yourself look like a child and annoying the heck out of everybody else.
I'm closing this thread before it gets any worse than it currently is.
Centrixo, a final piece of advice. If you've been kicked out of every online community you've been to, then maybe you should consider that your behavior is the reason, not the world out to get you.