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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Snail on February 15, 2007, 10:30:16 am
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The Myrmidon can carry Helios bombs. Does this make it a bomber?
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I see the Myrmidon as a FS-ised F-104: fast interceptor primarly to be used as a fighter, but that can carry a nuke to blow up the Russians in case they attacked. So: arrive at Mach 2 and low altitude so they don't see you, drop the nuke and return home dogfighting.
The Myrmidon may be the same thing: come in fast, drop 2 Helios against a destroyer, then escape dogfighting.
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Never heard of that fighter, but you have a point
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I think its just a tabling error.
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I think its just a tabling error.
Or a cookie.
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It's an easter egg/cookie whatever you want to call it.
If you want to read a debate about it, read from here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,44591.msg915394.html#msg915394) down. Don't go arguing on about it here, it will just make another locked thread. It's an easter egg and that's it. (Unless :v: says it's canon)
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Wha? Oh. Okay.
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I looked at it as a strategic weapons system designed around the ability to carry Helios. This would also explain why it can't carry any other type of bombs.
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There you go. I don't see how it could be an easter egg as it does not point out towards anything to make a joke out of it. It's not like Fallout 2 where you see the Knights of The Round Table and the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch from Monty Python And The Holy Grail.
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I still think its gotta be a typo in the table. And why on earth the larger Helios and not the Cyclops?
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I looked at it as a strategic weapons system designed around the ability to carry Helios. This would also explain why it can't carry any other type of bombs.
Then why isn't that mentioned anywhere in the tech write-up?
In additon, has there ever been a canon mission where you get the chance to use a Helios and a Myrmidon? You'd think that if that was such a big feature they'd let you use it once.
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Why doesn't someone e-mail :v: and find out? I'm sure they wouldn't be that pissed about us bugging them about such a menial thing.
There you go. I don't see how it could be an easter egg as it does not point out towards anything to make a joke out of it. It's not like Fallout 2 where you see the Knights of The Round Table and the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch from Monty Python And The Holy Grail.
By that logic I could do this:
Fallout 2 isn't like FS2 where there is this mega huge bomb in this medium sized fighter. I don't see how it is an easter egg as it does not point out towards anything to make it seem like some big item can come out of a much smaller box.
Easter eggs don't have to be funny. And also, funny is subjective (I don't know who would find this funny, though).
Look at it this way: It's Easter. Your on an easter egg hunt. You just found an egg. Do you start laughing? No.
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I still think its gotta be a typo in the table. And why on earth the larger Helios and not the Cyclops?
Because who would choose to wield a bunker-buster if they could have a nuke instead? :p
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beceause they can mount more bunkerbusters than nuke's.
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I looked at it as a strategic weapons system designed around the ability to carry Helios. This would also explain why it can't carry any other type of bombs.
But this is not mentioned anywhere else in the tech description.
RNI Systems' GTF Myrmidon replaces the Ulysses as the Alliance's primary space superiority fighter. The Myrmidon has received high marks for speed, maneuverability, armor, and loadout. An ultra-efficient hull configuration provides space for three secondary weapon systems, a first for Terran-Vasudan fighters. [This means that missile banks can be modified before a mission to let it carry Helios warheads]. This versatility enables Myrmidon squadrons to fulfill a range of combat roles, from light assault to heavy reconnaissance. In the Deneb system, the 53rd Hammerheads of the GTD Aquitaine have demonstrated the effectiveness of the Myrmidon against NTF forces.
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Whatever it may be the reason for which it can carry such a powerfull bomb I do not care! I'm just glad I can use it to blow ships to pieces. :D
But youve got a point why the larger Helios and not the smaller cyclops?
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And if :v: wanted to write "Harpoon" in the tables and for mistake they wrote "Helios"? This would also explain why the Myrmidon doesn't carry Harpoons...
I know, it's silly to base an assumption on a single letter, but anyway... ;)
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That's the main possibility if it was a dev error.
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I still think its gotta be a typo in the table. And why on earth the larger Helios and not the Cyclops?
Is there anyplace that says the Helios is actually bigger than the Cyclops? I know bombers can carry more of them but that doesn't necessarily mean the Cyclops is smaller. I only remember it being more powerful due to the use of anti-matter. Again it could be a design thing. Now this is assuming there is not facts supporting size. The Helios could be just a longer weapon that doesn't work with the reload system designed for the Cyclops. Since the Myrmidon can only carry 2 it would not need a bomb reload system. By reload system I mean whatever is going on during the countdown where you can't fire. Heck maybe in time you would see a Boa with a 20 Helios payload that can't carry Cyclops.
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Who has a screenie? Is it the ship you fly, the first few missions in FS2? if so, its a fighter.
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It's the first fighter you fly in FS2, with the Hammerheads.
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Who has a screenie? Is it the ship you fly, the first few missions in FS2? if so, its a fighter.
:wtf:
I thought you were this great multiplayer pilot? You dont know the myrm?
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There is only one possible way they could do it on purpose. Easter egg (for the fifth time). Why else wouldn't they say it in the tech room. Also, it is physically impossible to fit a Helios into a myrmidon in a way that it can be shot (IIRC). FS2 might not necessarily be physically correct, but they don't just put stuff that are so obvious in the game as a serious thing. Oh, wait! It wasn't obvious! For one, you'd never think that a Space Superiority fighter would be able to hold AC bombs. Two, Not one single canon mission allows you to fly a Myrmidon and have the Helios accessible. And three, you would either need to go into the tables, create a mission, or use a campaign to figure it out.
I could understand them doing it by accident, though. It'd be a bit hard not to catch it when checking over the tables, though.
EDIT: I gotta stop using the word 'though'
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I still think its gotta be a typo in the table. And why on earth the larger Helios and not the Cyclops?
I think this is the best evidence for it being a mistake. If they actually wanted to have it carry bombs, the Cyclops would make much more sense. The Helios is supposed to be a restricted access weapon that even a lot of bombers can't carry.
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Maybe it was done for fun in multi...
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"This is the GTCv Dauntless, Myrmidon fighters have jumped in on our port side, Zeta, destroy them before they can utilize their Helios bombs"
There's something wrong with this picture.
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Where'd you get that?
Well people do use it anyway.
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It's the Jabos!
(If you get that...well, you win something. Not the internet though, the internet won't help you.)
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Where'd you get that?
Well people do use it anyway.
I was illistrating the fact that Myrmidons with Helios bombs are preposterous
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Well people will always use Helios with Myrmidons unless they are not allowed. You can't stop them from doing it without not allowing Helios and Myrmidons at the same time at all.
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It's the Jabos!
(If you get that...well, you win something. Not the internet though, the internet won't help you.)
German word for fighter-bomber. Jabo units were typically high speed low flying units that did low angle dive bombing or skip bombing.
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So who's gona be the smartass to vote bomber, just to be the only one?
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The poll's over...