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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Inferno => Topic started by: Rampage on February 20, 2007, 04:00:10 am
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Do you want INF SCP released released by the end of 2007 or sooner? Well, this is your chance to do something about it! As most of you know, INF SCP (if you don't know what it is, feel free to do a search on this forum) is being fervently worked on again, especially with mission design. The story is pretty much worked out for the next 30 or so missions, so we want to give you guys a chance to help us out.
So I'll just cut to the chase - if you want to FRED for INF SCP, the INF SCP team will need a sample mission from those interested. The mission must:
1. Be coded for FS2 Vanilla and/or SCP (that means no MediaVP specific stuff and no MODs).
2. Have a story that moves the mission along (linear or slant - it doesn't matter).
3. Be well structured and organized (that means it must be well-coded, w/ briefing and debriefing).
4. State clearly what the player is expected to do.
5. Be aesthetically appealing (do your best with backgrounds, appropriate ships, etc.)
6. Be unique (it is your creative piece, so give it your ownership in creativity)
7. Have chatter (amongst wingmen, capital ships, and/or enemy ships) to move the story along.
8. Be written in English (US or UK) as best as you can.
9. Have no spelling or grammar errors (as few as possible - it's a sign of professionalism).
10. Be bug free (probably the most important criteria).
The things listed might be a little daunting, but they're second nature to any decent FREDder. Also I'm not looking for THE perfect mission. To do that, you can play one of Blaise Russell's campaigns. Also, if English is not your primary language or you have difficulty with the English language, then ignore numbers 7 and 8. But if you DO speak English, please attempt number 8 as best as you can. You can submit your mission here as an attachment until we get our share of FREDders.
I haven't run this over w/ Sid or Woo yet, so I can't be certain you'll have something to do immediately after we (most likely me) approve your mission. But chances are, after you're hired, you'll FRED one mission per week. Feel free to post any questions here. No question is too stupid or insignificant.
Woo, feel free to sticky this at your discretion.
- Rampage
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Criteria 1 - No mediavp specific stuff either please
Criteria 2 might be difficult to achieve as they are making a single stand alone mission, not a campaign
Criteria 5 doesn't really matter as well, since there are many different backgrounds and stuff it doesn't really matter for a sample, and all of our mission backgrounds will use set templates
Criteria 9 discriminates against those who aren't English native who might be able to make good missions, but end up weaker at dialogue. There's a reason we have testers and people who check that sort of thing.
Criteria 3 is quite important, since others will be editing and checking the mission a decent flow of the sexps and proper naming of events is required
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Woo makes several good points here - - I've updated the list.
Moreover this is a talent search for FREDders, so we won't go uber-crazy over little stuff. Just try your best. Be creative!
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Anyway, I uploaded the file to filefront. It's @: http://files.filefront.com/z_ntffs2/;6778862;;/fileinfo.html
NTF mission in Alpha Centauri. The NTD Alsace must capture the planet Alpha Centauri V from Vasudan forces. I didn't do too much research, and canonically the Alsace has already been destroyed earlier in a multi mission in the Sirius system. But yeah. And Command is CM1 because it's the NTF anyway.
You like?
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I have experience with both Inferno and FRED...and the two thing combined since I FREDded about 30 missions.
I can implement them with nice backgrounds and cutscenes. I'm sorry Steadfast isn't completed yet...you would appreciate our work.
Can you be more specific? I have no time to imagine missions...
I may UL one of my old missions that have been scrapped from SthCrs...boh...
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You guys should know LGM's good at FRED.
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The mission doesn't have to be new. If we can play it in FS2 SCP, then it counts as in. We just want to see your FREDding abilities.
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Have you played my mission for INFA2 (not official yet tho)? That's also a good example of my ability.
I'd say I'm about average or just over average. What do you think?
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Well I can use variables of any kind and advanced conditionals. I use manipulation of coords and orientation. I add and remove background bitmaps when I create cutscenes. I create in-mission cutscenes(take off, important events and landing).
But at the moment I have no time to think about mission ideas. Simply write here a kind of mission you want-this will also help you. For ecample, if you choose an NTF raid on a GTVA depot with events x,y and z...we create missions that are similar each other so you can realize what we are capable of.
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Mine is a special attack on a convoy to draw out the GVCv Sopedu. Then the NTD Alsace arrives to attack the Sopedu. Vasudans deploy reinforcements and try to attack the Alsace while it recharges its jump drives. The player must destroy the convoy, the Sopedu and GTVA reinforcements. Maybe you could base it on that one?
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Too ugly...
Eh eh I was joking.
I need something else...what you have posted isn't enough. Also, Rampage should choose the type of mission, not you(no offense).
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Well I've already created one... I don't wanna create another. :P
A snail can only work so fast.
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Mah...are you able to create 130kb missions with full backgrounds, cutscenes and stuff?
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Are you implying that I suck?
All I said was that I don't want to create a second mission.
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No, I'm not saying that you suck. I just say that the use of advanced SEXPs and conditionals brings you to a certain level that may be ok for INF.
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Or sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic. My bad. :)
I can create good enough backgrounds, I have limited ability at cutscenes and I can use quite complicated SEXPs, and use all types of number variables (haven't figured out or even tried to do string variables).
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See? You have to learn. I always use string variables. They're useful.
:lol: Read The FAQ, you useless Goober5000 fan! :lol:
Basically I did this:
In thie first cutscene of the first mission of Steadfast,you take off from the carrier. Since the EA and the GTVA are allies, pilots can use fighters of both Alliances.
The camera points at the player wing taking off(trick!). You may select different fighters for your wingmen. Using a nice string variable system, I made the camera follow the fastest member of Beta wing(yes, in Steadfast you're Beta 1)....
Using variables, I made messages not to show up when the comms are jammed....
Mini-cutscenes of squadron flyby....
Background-add(and remove)bitmaps....
ecc.ecc.
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I like Goober5000 because he delivers justice to trolls. At least he does it more than the more classic admins.
Fiiiiiiine, I'll go read the FAQ..
a time later:
Wow I read the FAQ a few times and now I got it. Scary. Whoa, now I get why you guys like Kara so much. :)
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I won't write Gaia anymore(unless we are in a Steadfast environment)if you stop writing Kara inSTEAD of Karajorma. I will also write instead as you mortals do. Ok?
Do you get it? With variables,scripting and advanced SEXPs and conditionals we can make Inferno the best campaign ever. It has everything-mods and new musics, with some new cbanis. A nice FREDding and everything's ok.
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Call it what you want, I'm still writing the abbreviated form of Karajorma. Just that I myself got a little confused till I remembered that you decided to rename Melia to Gaia (well re-rename since it originally was Gaia then was changed to Melia and then back to Gaia again).
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Well Woo wanted to call it Gaia. Venom impeded it. Now that Venom's MIA, he may use the old name.
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's true, but I don't really think he cares anymore.
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Alea iacta est.
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Meaning?
Sorry, I don't speak much Italian and ETAK's not working. :P
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That's Latin...you can't find "t" at the end of a word in Italian...
These are Caesar's words....before the Civil War.
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No wonder ETAK couldn't understand it... It wasn't Shivan in the first place...
Are you implying there's going to be a civil war between the Inferno fans who want to rename the Melia to Gaia?
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Alea iacta est is what Julius Caesar said before starting the Civil War.
It means "the dice is taken". "There's no turning back". Do you understand? What have you done in the past 2,000 years?
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:wtf:
You're starting to become ambiguous here.
Why are you saying this now? Are you implying there's going to be a civil war between the Inferno fans who want to rename the Melia to Gaia?
Or are you saying you just hate me?
Or are you saying that there's no chance of you saying that the Gaia is still the Melia because the Melia was renamed to Gaia in Steadfast therefore you do not want to keep the old name, which is Melia, and use the other name, which is Gaia, because that's how it is, with Gaia as Melia, in Steadfast?
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I simply say that the Melia is Gaia in Steadfast and the name can't be changed another time...or not?!?
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I wasn't talking about steadfast. I was talking about posting it in the forums. To avoid confusion. You can call it GTI Suck my Balls in Steady for all I care (but I wouldn't recommend it :P).
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Sucking Balls?!? You look weird!
Ok, that thing is the GTI Melia...
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Hey. Watch the flame war. :ick:
That's pretty impressive, LGM. I believe that the skills you have most do not. Although I don't think INF SCP will have missions that use anything too complex, but you never know.
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LGM, I think, should definitely go into the team. His missions might need grammar testing and proofreading, but they will certainly be one of the best.
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There could be a problem: if my missions have cutscenes, the others should have cutscenes too...and we'll need time for them.
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Um, those words don't me "the dice is taken" they mean "The die is cast." As in thrown, rolled. Like at Vegas at a craps table. Once you throw those dice, there's no going back.
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No. It isn't refered to the launch of the dice...it's refered to the simple action of taking it.
Anyway, I started working on a NTF based mission that takes place in Regulus before the rebels attempt to penetrate in GTVA space.
The mission is in another computer, so actually I can't work on it. I will work on it tomorrow.
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Dude, you are so wrong. Taking a die in hand doesn't mean a thing. It's only when you throw it that there's no going back.
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Blame Caesar, not me. I simply wrote one of his most famous sentences.
Someone says Alea tracta est...
Anyway, you should know that it means "the games are started".
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The dice game bragging is. :P
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I think what you've done is quote a misquote. Like people saying "Once more into the breach." You'll find the line is actualy "Once more unto the breach, dear friends! Once more!" from Henry the Fifth.
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Can we get back on topic now...?
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Ha-hem I wrote Caesar's sentence in the right way.
Back on topic: I forgot the pendrive so my WIP mission is still on the other computer. I made the initial cutscene.
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Hehe, you know you're going to get in... :D
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Not really.
For obvious reasons, I will post the mission in our private forum....
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That's cheating! I tested my own mission!
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I don't want everyone to know how in-mission cutscenes are...the first campaigns to use them must be Steadfast and INFA(or/and INF SCP)...SthCrs will wait...
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INFA may not have cutscenes, that monstrosity I made was a test of my own skills.
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Why not? With cutscenes, we can do everything we planned, like discussions...
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the first campaigns to use them must be Steadfast and INFA(or/and INF SCP)...SthCrs will wait...
Then we are already beaten :p
Shrouding the Light and Flames of War already use cutscenes
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If LGM is right, I would be very surprised as the feature has been in the game for a very long time.
It is also to be noted that the campaign 'Time of Change' for retail also has in-game cutscenes, but they rather suck since the targeting reticle gets in the way.
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the first campaigns to use them must be Steadfast and INFA(or/and INF SCP)...SthCrs will wait...
Then we are already beaten :p
Shrouding the Light and Flames of War already use cutscenes
We widely use cutscenes and shift background between each other. Also, we use in-mission cutscenes=original.
Technological superiority also used that kind of proto-cutscenes.
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Nope, other campaigns have in-game cutscenes=not original.
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In every mission?
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oh, in that case,
every mission is cutscene=original. (or rather 'has' cutscene, not completely cutscene).
:)
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There are at least two cutscenes for every mission + several cutscenes that aren't playable.
We have scrapped the old m25. Now we have 10 missions scrapped in Episode One :D
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Back where he started, huh?
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I earned that nick with hours of useless work.
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You mean making 5 missions, scrapping 4 of them, making 4 more missions, scrapping 2 them, deciding the entire idea was bad and scrapping the remaining missions and restarting?
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And that my friend, is the best way of coming out with the best products :P
Experiment, scrape, experiment some more, scrape again... untill you have a near perfect product :)
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LGM's missions ARE perfect, he just scraps them anyway. :P
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Well Steady ep1 has 10 missions scrapped. Ep2 has 2 or 3. SotGW has 3 missions scrapped and Colossus 4. The record is up to SthCrs, however there are about....20 missions scrapped or something similar.
And that my friend, is the best way of coming out with the best products :P
Experiment, scrape, experiment some more, scrape again... untill you have a near perfect product :)
I think mission 6 of Steadfast is a superb example.
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:lol: Read The FAQ, you useless Goober5000 fan! :lol:
:wtf:
I like Goober5000 because he delivers justice to trolls. At least he does it more than the more classic admins.
Yarr. Truth, Justice, and the American English Way. :nod:
And this thread looks like it could use some post pruning. :drevil:
I earned that nick with hours of useless work.
Actually, you earned that nick because your name is Mobius. But scrapping missions works too. :)
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I earned that nick with hours of useless work.
Actually, you earned that nick because your name is Mobius. But scrapping missions works too. :)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I can't believe I missed that!
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There are 2389902810572905820745027593 people or things called Mobius and you choose the most strangest description. Wow.
[JRRT Expert on]
Turey, you say tha your nick is a short form of Turambar. It should be the short forum of Tùrin. :P
[JRRT Expert off]
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http://rapidshare.com/files/19312185/stm1.fs2
Here's my test mission.
It's happening after Capella's supernova. A lot of Shivans is coming to the Vega. 3rd Fleet HQ is in danger...
I'm fredding since a five-four years, I'm beginner modeller and experianced modder(Tables, sometimes effects)
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3rd Fleet HQ is in Capella... It got blown up in Dunkerque.
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It was only a sample :P
I don't know where are HQ's :P Imagine that it's a 6th fleet hq ;) :ick:
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That one's in Epsilon Pegasi. :P :P
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Okay... GTI Memphis? :P
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That's a Vasudan destroyer. :p
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D'oh.
My test missions are the first missions of Steadfast. Snail, play them and tell me what do you think! :lol:
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Well 3th HQ got blown up in Capella so it might've been restored in Vega. ;)
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So what's with my mission? :P
Qwer - I'm not specialist in universes and ect
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Vega is the location of the 4th Fleet IIRC.
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After Capella GTVA left with virtually no fleet. IMHO maximal count would be four destroyers. With such a small number of vessels it's pointless to keep many fleets so all would be liquidated except two-three.
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You have any canon evidence of that?
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The only fleets mentioned in the FS2 campaign that did any fighting were the GTVA 3rd Fleet, the 13th (?) Vasudan Battlegroup, and the Colossus Fleet. Given that there seems to be one Fleet per heavily populated system, and there are 40 systems in the GTVA, not that much of the GTVA military was even involved in Capella.
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Errr.... 5th Fleet? Wasn't the Aquitaine in the 3rd Fleet? Eh? Eh? EHHH?!!
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Fixed. :D
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Snail - no, but my common sense says so and I belive it as it's highly likely (also take a look at note to DH).
DH - 40 systems? :wtf: Take a look at nodemap and you've got 27. Also there are evidences for it, that GTVA had 26 fleets/battlegroups. Now for total count of GTVA destroyers take a note that NTF lost 8 (!) destroyers in the last phase of war. Such a high count means NTF probably had at least 1,5 of that value (remember that war lasted for about 1,5 year). Count Bosch's genious here and GTVA would have three times of that number. That means they had about 60 destroyers before NTF rebelion (and most likely more were built during it). Next note is that Shivans destroyed majority of GTVA forces in Capella (which was probably almost everything they had). Now the question is - how many GTVA Destroyers were there in the beginning of Battle of Capella? Let's count - from about 70 destroyers (about 60 plus about 10 built during NTF War) some would be destroyed during NTF Rebelion. Let's assume it would be about 30 destroyers destroyed and 40 left. From that about 10 NTF remaining ones are destroyed plus the same number of GTVA by both NTF and Shivans. This gives us about 20 remaining GTVA destroyers in Capella. From this let's assume 4/5 are destroyed (briefing of last mission says that "Allied fleet has been pulverized", so 4/5 looses should fit this), so it gives us 4 remaining GTVA destroyers (maybe even less).
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Remember though that we don't know how heavily populated some of the outlying systems are. How many Terrans and Vasudans were on Altair, for example? You wouldn't have more than a small colony (canon points at a research base/archeological dig in that system), and I doubt a fleet would be assigned to protect such a small presence there. By contrast the capital Beta Aquilae might have a massive fleet presence there to ensure that the administrative and civilian administration is well-protected.
Also Qwer, "Allied fleet has been pulverized" could simply mean the 3rd Fleet. All this stuff is extremely speculative at best.
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All this stuff is extremely speculative at best.
Aye.
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Also Qwer, "Allied fleet has been pulverized" could simply mean the 3rd Fleet. All this stuff is extremely speculative at best.
Extremely speculative? :wtf: 100 juggernauths knocks to GTVA front door, Bastion must reach EP jump node and GTVA makes different move than sending most of remaining forces to Capella? Sorry, but this is much against my common sense and logic. :doubt:
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Err... I didn't see 80 destroyers at Capella? :doubt:
The amount of destroyers in that post is INSANE. Absolutely. They could build 100 Colossi with that. ::)
With that sort of resources and building power, then building the Colossus would take at most 1 year probably.
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Have you read my earlier post carefully? I wrote about 20 destroyers in Capella, not 80.
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Meaning that there are still 60 destroyers left, not the 'entire fleet destroyed', and certainly not only 4.
Plus, there is absolutely NO canon evidence of any of this stuff. The insane number of destroyers is just wrong...
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60 Destroyer count was before NTF rebelion. Until Capella it dropped to 20 (of course in my theory). I suggest reading my long post again.
And fact that there is no direct evidence (one indirect one was present in my long post) doesn't mean everything I've written is surely total @#$%&@#$ (actually I sometimes have feeling that at least 10% of HLP community thinks that way). On the other hand you also have to explain small destroyer count before NTF Rebelion. What would it be? Everybody was drinking Bosch Beer for 1,5 year and then started blowing up each other for few weeks? :p
EDIT: do you have ICQ/MSN? It'd be more comfortable to discuss it that way. ;)
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I'd say the destroyer count would be about 40 destroyers, for the entire GTVA (Terrans and Vasudans). Hey, I had a great idea, how about a fleet breakdown! (I love these :D)
GTC Fenris - about 40 or so
GTC Leviathan - about 20-30 or so
GTC Aeolus - 24+ (confirmed by database, but the NTF may have made more)
GTCv Deimos - ~30
GTD Orion - 15
GTD Hecate - 5
GTVA Colossus - 1 (duh)
GVC Aten - probably 10-20 (destroyed by former GTA, mothballed)
GVC Mentu - ~20
GVCv Sobek - ~30
GVD Typhon - 15
GVD Hatshepsut - 5
So for the GTVA, they have:
Cruisers - 84
Corvettes - 60
Destroyers - 40
However, after the NTF rebellion, this many ships are left (not only defected, but destroyed by the NTF too):
Cruisers - 36 (32+16 defected or destroyed)
Corvettes - 43 (11+6 defected or destroyed)
Destroyers - 25 (10+5 defected or destroyed)
I will admit that these figures are almost pure speculation.
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Cruisers - 84
Corvettes - 60
Destroyers - 40
Only 2 times more cruisers than destroyers? :eek2: This count should be at least 3 times more. Also too few corvettes, 2 times is optimum IMHO.
GVD Typhon - 15
GVD Hatshepsut - 5
It's a bit strange that you've missed important tech description which says that Typhoons have been almost completly replaced by Hatshepsuts. :P
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Cruisers - 84
Corvettes - 60
Destroyers - 40
Only 2 times more cruisers than destroyers? :eek2: This count should be at least 3 times more. Also too few corvettes, 2 times is optimum IMHO.
GVD Typhon - 15
GVD Hatshepsut - 5
It's a bit strange that you've missed important tech description which says that Typhoons have been almost completly replaced by Hatshepsuts. :P
Well, it's a sane amount judging from the numbers of Aeolus class that were produced (24 is a low number, many, many Fenris were produced but were most likely destroyed by Shivans and Vasudans in the 1st Great war. Plus, remember, Corvettes will replace cruisers, and there are only 2 classes of corvette. The GTVA fleet is entering a new 'transition-era' in shipbuilding and technology or something).
Ah. Then probably:
GTD Orion - 23
GVD Typhon - 5
GVD Hatshepsut - 7? (it is very unlikely the GTVA can produce more than 1 destroyer a year).
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Also Qwer, "Allied fleet has been pulverized" could simply mean the 3rd Fleet. All this stuff is extremely speculative at best.
Extremely speculative? :wtf: 100 juggernauths knocks to GTVA front door, Bastion must reach EP jump node and GTVA makes different move than sending most of remaining forces to Capella? Sorry, but this is much against my common sense and logic. :doubt:
Of course they wouldn't send their entire fleet there. It doesn't make sense to deployvaluable resources against an insurmountable enemy. If you send 20 destroyers against 20 juggernauts, what do you get? 20 large wrecks and half a million personnel dead.
Anyway, this is getting heavily off topic. I've looked at the beginning of the thread and I think the whole open endedness to the offer isn't a good idea when it comes to choosing people to work for us. How about instead writing a very broad description of a mission, and seeing how well people implement it in FRED?
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Well LGM would suck at that since he needs a very detailed description to make a mission :P
BTW, how's INFSCP coming along now that you're back? :)
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That's not completely true. Check my doc about m9 and m20...you will easily notice that I've EXPANDED the original concept of both missions. :P When I have time and/or imagination, I come out with interesting stuff.
Welcome back, Sid!
Anyway, open FRED, place a destroyer, then a corvette. Move it and look how big a destroyer is. There could even be 4-6 corvettes for each destroyer. Remember that the NTF built the Iceni, that was impressive.
Tech descriptions say that the Hatshepsut is the primary Vasudan destroyer and only a handful of the old Typhons remain. Unlike the Terrans, the Vasudans seem to have more advanced destroyers.
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I'm not really back as such, just sitting on the sidelines and putting the occasional bit of work in every now and then. I'm getting more interested in modelling actually. :D
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I see.
You're not like people here:
http://forums.acecombatskies.com/index.php?act=idx/
They're just supposed to spam and sometimes say "I have problems with my personal life". They're nothing compared to you, since modelling/FREDding and spamming are two separate things.