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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: aldo_14 on February 22, 2007, 07:40:19 am
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(http://politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/USA%20Today%20poll.GIF)
Is this real?
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And people in Real Life wonder why I rant about religion...
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I doubt that's an unbiased poll, actually. Anti-Catholicism is after all the last of the respectable prejudices.
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Anti-Catholicism, at least in my experience, tends to generally be more directed towards the pope and Vatican than the followers, though.
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I'm suprized the bias against the last two-five is so small. I would have expected at least twice as much bias against atheists and gays.
Mormons and multiple marages I would expect more hate as well.
would have expected the 'old' group to have faired better though.
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IIRC there's only been one catholic president, right? Kennedy? And look what happened to him >..>;;
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well then, guess they wont elect me, i'll have to take it by force.
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Religious bias sucks ass...
Generally, people want someone who has faith in SOMETHING (namely, a God). They don't want a wishy-washy person who will bend whatever way society bends (ehem, HILARY CLINTON MUST NOT BE PRESIDENT FOR THAT VERY REASON).
I would personally vote for a woman or a black; I would really like it if Colin Powell would run for the presidency... I think he would be an excellent candidate. He is a moderate, willing to help out Liberals if it is right. I believe that both democrats and republicans would vote him into office; he seems to me to be the right man for the job.
But whatever... all I really care is that someone like Hilary Clinton (and other, worse, politicians) don't get into the Presidency... many New York-ers still believe her husband was a great president...
All we need now is a "I survived Roe v. Wade" shirt for everyone born in the last 34 or so years!
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Generally, people want someone who has faith in SOMETHING (namely, a God). They don't want a wishy-washy person who will bend whatever way society bends (ehem, HILARY CLINTON MUST NOT BE PRESIDENT FOR THAT VERY REASON).
I would have thought the former was bad (faith is - by definition- unbendable and irrational belief, which is fine for God but not foreign policy), and the latter is surely democracy emphasised.
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just cause you don't think there is an invisible man liveing in the clouds doesn't mean you are "wishy-washy"
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just cause you don't think there is an invisible man liveing in the clouds doesn't mean you are "wishy-washy"
Oh absolutely; I'm just saying there's 2 sides to every coin, and conviction can easily become intransigence and inflexibility. Personally, as long as it's kept personal, I couldn't give a monkeys about whether a leader is religious or not.
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I was actually talking at the other guy...
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I was actually talking at the other guy...
:o
It applies to my statement as well though, I think. (that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!)
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In the question it says "your" party, but the Republican party would never dream of nominating most of these categories. The survey presents an unrealistic, unrelatable scenario to half of the people who took it. :p
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Yay the anit-atheists win. I declare a day of world peace.
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Yay the anit-atheists win. I declare a day of world peace.
must.... resist.... urge! :drevil:
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(http://politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/USA%20Today%20poll.GIF)
Yay for prejudice and discrimination!
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Now all we need is to find an atheist, homosexual, 72 years old, hispanic woman who's been married 3 times.
Anyway, I'd be surprised if those who answered those polls knew what an atheist is.
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http://politicalbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/USA%20Today%20poll.GIF
Is this real?
Is it really religious bias, or is it just human nature? Of course you'll want to elect someone who has values similar to your own. What the poll fails to show is why someone wouldn't vote for a particular candidate; hell, Bill Clinton was a terrific president, but there are those who wouldn't vote for him due to his issues with marital unfaithfulness, or Robert Byrd for being a former KKK member, or Patrick Kennedy for having a drug problem.
"Well-qualified" and "well-liked", unfortunately, don't really go hand-in-hand in American politics anymore. People will jump onboard with candidates with fantastic stories or a lot of hype (see: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama) but ignore those who are genuinely qualified for the job (see: Evan Bayh).
People will nitpick candidates and politicians for the most stupid reasons. That's a fact of life. However, the reason I typically don't give polls too much credit is because of the information that the poll doesn't offer or didn't ask. It could show that people would oppose a Catholic president simply because he is Catholic, or it could show that they oppose him because some of his Catholic views may play too big a role in his politics. In other words, what's really being looked at here: is it the people's religious bias, or the politician's religious bias? I'm willing to bet money that it's a fair mix of both.
And what exactly does "well-qualified" mean? A Harvard law degree, six years in the state legislature, and twelve years or so in Congress, but someone who is known to be a religious advocate? Someone who can keep an open mind and not let his religious beliefs or racial affiliations influence his decisions to the point of favoritism, but has little political experience?
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If it's an election, then everyone has the RIGHT to elect whomever he wants FOR WHATEVER REASON HE WANTS..right?
What the hell is biased or predjudiced about?
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If it's an election, then everyone has the RIGHT to elect whomever he wants FOR WHATEVER REASON HE WANTS..right?
What the hell is biased or predjudiced about?
Based on a single piece of information, these people think can judge if that person would make a good leader or not. That is prejudiced because they make the assumption that one will be a bad leader, simply because she is a woman (example). Making a connection that has no basis in reality, only in their indoctrinated mind.
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If it's an election, then everyone has the RIGHT to elect whomever he wants FOR WHATEVER REASON HE WANTS..right?
What the hell is biased or predjudiced about?
Yeah, but they can still be biased; making a certain decision for reasons that you shouldn't be making that decision by. You shouldn't vote for somebody based on race, or homosexuality, etc. unless you sincerely believe that it will negatively affect their policies regarding the country.
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So none would vote for Rupaul..
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If it's an election, then everyone has the RIGHT to elect whomever he wants FOR WHATEVER REASON HE WANTS..right?
That's one of the major complaints about democracy...
The idiots don't know what they're ****ing voting about.
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Is that really how much the crucifixion cost? Damn-- bargain at twice the price.
Folks, at prices like this you can't afford NOT to kill Christ!
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Yep, pretty much! :nod:
I guestimated prices at today's standard based on Home Depot. Couldn't find anything for lumber, so that's a pure guess.
I guess I should factor in all the labor that went into it though. All the work riling up the crowds, 30 pieces of silver to Judas for betraying Christ, plus the wages of the Romans that flogged Christ, along with those that accompanied Him on His journey, plus the spear that cut him open to make sure he was dead. Also the wages of the executioners. So I guess it's a bit more thant I put there, but you get the idea.
Folks, at prices like this you can't afford NOT to kill Christ!
IDK if you were trying to be sarcastic or not, but sadly, this is more true than it sounds. We need the salvation that comes from Christ on the Cross. However, it's already done. All you gotta do is realize that you and I are the reasons it had to happen, and accept the gift of somebody else taking the Death Penalty we most definitely deserve.
As to not derail the topic anymore, we may want to start a new thread about this. Anyone up for a little debate?
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IDK if you were trying to be sarcastic or not, but sadly, this is more true than it sounds. We need the salvation that comes from Christ on the Cross. However, it's already done. All you gotta do is realize that you and I are the reasons it had to happen, and accept the gift of somebody else taking the Death Penalty we most definitely deserve.
Nah, I don't believe in sarcasm when it comes to Jesus.
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If it's an election, then everyone has the RIGHT to elect whomever he wants FOR WHATEVER REASON HE WANTS..right?
That's one of the major complaints about democracy...
The idiots don't know what they're ****ing voting about.
It's basically impossible for a declared athiest to win the presidency in America, as sad as that is.
IDK if you were trying to be sarcastic or not, but sadly, this is more true than it sounds. We need the salvation that comes from Christ on the Cross. However, it's already done. All you gotta do is realize that you and I are the reasons it had to happen, and accept the gift of somebody else taking the Death Penalty we most definitely deserve.
:wtf:
I think we got ourselves a fundie here!!!!!!
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IDK if you were trying to be sarcastic or not, but sadly, this is more true than it sounds. We need the salvation that comes from Christ on the Cross. However, it's already done. All you gotta do is realize that you and I are the reasons it had to happen, and accept the gift of somebody else taking the Death Penalty we most definitely deserve.
Nah, I don't believe in sarcasm when it comes to Jesus.
Well in that case, thank you, sir.
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If it's an election, then everyone has the RIGHT to elect whomever he wants FOR WHATEVER REASON HE WANTS..right?
What the hell is biased or predjudiced about?
Well, say I was recruiting for a job, and you were the top candidate, but I decided I didn't like your accent and thus gave it to some other guy (let's just say he's, ummm, an arab-nationality homosexual aetheist). Would that be a fair or right thing to do? Would it be the best hiring strategy for the company?
Is that really how much the crucifixion cost? Damn-- bargain at twice the price.
Folks, at prices like this you can't afford NOT to kill Christ!
Damn right! I'm off to find Tom Cruise* and a B&Q and make the next Messiah.
*because Ron Hubbard is dead already, and the Pope doesn't qualify as a leader of a loony fringe religion any more, what with Catholicism being too popular.
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*because Ron Hubbard is dead already, and the Pope doesn't qualify as a leader of a loony fringe religion any more, what with Catholicism being too popular.
Only in the mind of protestants was the pope a leader of a fringe religion.
Catholics are the biggest, no other religion comes close to the numbers the catholics have.
Just a reminder
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*because Ron Hubbard is dead already, and the Pope doesn't qualify as a leader of a loony fringe religion any more, what with Catholicism being too popular.
Only in the mind of protestants was the pope a leader of a fringe religion.
Catholics are the biggest, no other religion comes close to the numbers the catholics have.
Just a reminder
I'm well aware of the size of Catholism, I think you missed my point. Christianity itself wasn't always massed.
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If it's an election, then everyone has the RIGHT to elect whomever he wants FOR WHATEVER REASON HE WANTS..right?
What the hell is biased or predjudiced about?
Based on a single piece of information, these people think can judge if that person would make a good leader or not. That is prejudiced because they make the assumption that one will be a bad leader, simply because she is a woman (example). Making a connection that has no basis in reality, only in their indoctrinated mind.
I assume you pick your canditates on pure, unrelenting logic?
Peple pick whom they like. Exactly why is that or on what basis - who cares, who knows.
Hell, I like some pople and I don't know why I like them (charisma maby?)... I just do.
Logicly you should elect someone on how good a job you THINK he might do. At the end of the day the diplomats or books the candidate wrte mean little - you really don't know whom to trust. So I guess pople go by their gut feeling.
So I guess you would never elect someone you percieve as stupid.. Isn't that also a bias? A prejudice against stupid people? What makes you think he wouldn't make a good leader (hell, I see stupid epople ruling countries all over the world - if anything stupidity seems to be a requirement)
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It doesnt really matter... all you need to be president nowadays is the $100 million entry fee to start campaigning 2 years ahead of time, then the $100 million for the final 6 months.. oh and a bunch of talking tv heads that tell people what you had for lunch while you begged for money and told people how much you care.