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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Woomeister on January 16, 2002, 04:41:00 pm
Designed shortly after the loss of the Colossus at Capella. The Eleutherios is the first Juggernaught class vessel that can be massed produced. The design focussed on a powerful cannon that could destroy a Sathanas in a few shots from a far distance. However a lot of reactor power is needed just to fire once. The recharge rate is 2 minutes at peak effiency.
The designed was halted due to budget problems untill the recent threat by the Earth Alliance and the Shivans.
 
 
 
Model Details:
9995 polys
11105 verts
3.1km*793m*6km
65 turrets
Modelled in truespace 5

FS2 Low poly version:
 
Model Details:
1126 polys
1119 verts
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Grey Wolf on January 16, 2002, 04:49:00 pm
Nice ship
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Zeronet on January 16, 2002, 04:56:00 pm
Cool Hanger!!!   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Did you use deform to make any of the shapes used their? Im trying to break out of angular designs.

[This message has been edited by Zeronet (edited 01-16-2002).]
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Woomeister on January 16, 2002, 05:03:00 pm
I only use a few tools for my models:

Sweep
Tip
Delete face
Add face
polygon draw
polygon bevel
Uv tools and glueing tools

I use no deforms or boolean on my ships. All are one one primitive which are swept out basically  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: LAW ENFORCER on January 16, 2002, 05:13:00 pm
No offense but it looks REALLY easy to make the Low version... just a cube extruded (= E)scalled (= S), E,S,E,S,E,S select new part, E,S,E,S, New part, E, S, other side, E S then do the little parts sticking out (on side beams, extrude endges on back and front to effect, finished, more or less...

The top one looks much better, unfortunatly I only have Amapi 4.15 (on a mag) so my High poly skills are limited... severly!
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: LAW ENFORCER on January 16, 2002, 05:19:00 pm
Almost forgot the good! I like the hangar too! does it go right through?

I think the ship is REALLY cool (apart from the big beam thing, with out it it is better)

Textures are standard, in use but nicely done it looks good. over all I would say...  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: vadar_1 on January 16, 2002, 05:29:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by LAW ENFORCER:


I think the ship is REALLY cool (apart from the big beam thing, with out it it is better)

it needs the big beam thing! think of homeworld:cataclysm, the KUUN-LAN (or whatever), was just a worthless mining ship that built really slow. But with the seige cannon it had some actual combat use!

Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: LAW ENFORCER on January 16, 2002, 05:34:00 pm
I meant in the looks department (essecily the LOW POLY version... Uhhgg!)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Thorn on January 16, 2002, 05:37:00 pm
The command ship isnt totally useless without the siege cannon. The rapid fire deck guns on it rip fighter wings apart, and once you get the energy cannon upgrade its even worse. You can lead assaults with the thing...
Anyway, back on topic..
That ship doesnt seem big, but it sure does look like it could take a beating and keep on going...
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Woomeister on January 16, 2002, 05:45:00 pm
Ships of the Line ("http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/sotline.jpg")

This ship is the third of this design type, the cannon was added to make it a bit more different to the other two.

It was made from a cylinder, not a cube, the hangers don't go all the way through but are massive and it will be able to take a pounding  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Alikchi on January 16, 2002, 05:52:00 pm
Very nice  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: mikhael on January 16, 2002, 05:54:00 pm
You know, I didn't like this thing at first glance. Actually, I still don't, but it certainly presents an imposing figure. I'd feel unsteady if I was flying into to try to take it down. For that, it gets a big  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/icons/icon14.gif)   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

In the Ships of the Line pic venom posted, I love the center one. Its gorgeous.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Woomeister on January 16, 2002, 06:01:00 pm
Umm I posted the pic, venom has nothing to do with these ships

The middle one is the SOC Olemus, Infernos new flagship.
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 16, 2002, 06:16:00 pm
I give it a "meh". With a "well..." added for concept. All in all, it reminds me a bit of my Ultimatum concept (which I'll never satisfactorally complete, what with my sucking at everything not RDS), what with the multiple bridges and all, but it looks like maybe 10 minutes of work copying turrets, lathing/extruding, and adding what detail there is. The fact that you deny using timesaving measures means little. Make it more complex, and you have a sweet-assed ship in the making, and next time I'll say something nice!

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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Woomeister on January 16, 2002, 06:28:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
The fact that you deny using timesaving measures means little.

???
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 16, 2002, 06:33:00 pm
The booleans, etc. Boolean op takes about... lessee... 1/9 the time of any other method. Never mind. That wasn't even a factor in my final judgement.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Woomeister on January 16, 2002, 06:36:00 pm
I haven't used them since my newbie days, they cause far too much clipping and create far too many unwanted verts.
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 16, 2002, 06:43:00 pm
Ah... what prog? Truespace?

[sound of insane laughter rolls through forum]
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Sorry, didn't realize you were using... that. Gets extra credit for effort- up to a "hmm..."!

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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: mikhael on January 16, 2002, 07:58:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Ah... what prog? Truespace?

[sound of insane laughter rolls through forum]
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Sorry, didn't realize you were using... that. Gets extra credit for effort- up to a "hmm..."!


Booleans in pretty much every 3d modeller suck, and should be avoided as much as possible. Admittedly, Truespace has some of the worst. However, if you've got half a clue about your tools, you can get the same affect as a boolean with nearly the same speed but much more reliably.

In fact, about the only thing I would trust to a boolean is a 2d polygon, and even then, copying points and building a whole new poly is probably just as fast.


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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Nico on January 16, 2002, 08:10:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by mikhael:


In fact, about the only thing I would trust to a boolean is a 2d polygon, and even then, copying points and building a whole new poly is probably just as fast.



lol, in max, it's the one I avoid most, 2d polyguns, it will never remove the faces right

Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Ryx on January 17, 2002, 02:01:00 am
I like it better than the Colossus! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Mad Bomber on January 17, 2002, 05:39:00 am
Looks great!

By the way, what's the bottom one called? Just out of curiosity.
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Alikchi on January 17, 2002, 07:43:00 am
No name yet
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Darkage on January 17, 2002, 09:29:00 am
Purdee dude me likes (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Zeronet on January 17, 2002, 12:13:00 pm
Can you fix boolean problems? I tend to use them quite a bit, although recently(30mins ago) i found sweep to be my new found favorite button.
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Woomeister on January 17, 2002, 04:03:00 pm
The only real way I know to fix it would to weild the verts...
good luck  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 17, 2002, 04:41:00 pm
Well, with the rectangular hangar, I'd tend to agree. Just recess a poly, or extrude it. I was thinking more some of the other parts, and there are things you just flat-out cannot do without booleans, or a month to tinker... Of course, you do have... *snort* TrueSpace but some decent modelers out there do make minimal messes, and they're fairly easy to clean up anyhow...
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Zeronet on January 17, 2002, 04:41:00 pm
I dont use booleans much now, i can make much better things using sweep.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Nico on January 17, 2002, 05:20:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Well, with the rectangular hangar, I'd tend to agree. Just recess a poly, or extrude it. I was thinking more some of the other parts, and there are things you just flat-out cannot do without booleans, or a month to tinker... Of course, you do have... *snort* TrueSpace but some decent modelers out there do make minimal messes, and they're fairly easy to clean up anyhow...


I don't use booleans, dude, and it doesn't take a month for me to make a model  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 17, 2002, 05:41:00 pm
Then you aren't trying to make the stuff I am. Try hollowing out an entire detailed series of tunnels in an asteroid without using Boolean op.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Nico on January 17, 2002, 05:45:00 pm
 http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum1/HTML/000203.html ("http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/Forum1/HTML/000203.html")

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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 17, 2002, 05:48:00 pm
Shut up!!!  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)

Any minute now, I'll have the all-Booleans-and-primitives jump gate up, and you'll see!
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Nico on January 17, 2002, 05:59:00 pm
but I could do exactly the same with half your polycount  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 17, 2002, 06:20:00 pm
And in twice the time. This is for a movie, right now.   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 17, 2002, 06:22:00 pm
Also, mebbe I forgot to mention that I own a little function called "Decimate", as in dialogue saying "Remove [estimated percentage of unnecessaries here] polygons".  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Martinus on January 17, 2002, 06:23:00 pm
Nice work, I'm glad to see that the Morrigan has some real competition. I thought everyone was entering the render contest but it looks like the model contest is just getting started.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Nico on January 17, 2002, 06:34:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Stryke 9:
And in twice the time.

I bet no  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Stryke 9 on January 17, 2002, 06:38:00 pm
I'd like to see. Starting.... NOW!
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: PSYCHO on January 17, 2002, 07:56:00 pm
   Cool ....You should consider making your own Textures, it would be alittle more original....Neat design tho 8)

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Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Woomeister on January 18, 2002, 05:52:00 am
If I could I would, but I'm lousy in the art department  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Nico on January 18, 2002, 05:57:00 am
 
Quote
Originally posted by Stryke 9:
I'd like to see. Starting.... NOW!

lol, I don't even have time to work on my own campaign right now  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Model Contest - GTJ Eleutherios
Post by: Setekh on January 20, 2002, 09:20:00 am
Damn, that's one fine ship. Nice.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)